>Dr. Manhattan was the one monitoring the Monitors
>>83546078
god fucking dammit
>>83546078
Reminder that Johns is a hack and the antimonitor is a new god in his headcanon.
johns needs to be far away from universe building
It's a hydrogen atom you moron.
>>83546078
hyperciris threat?
>>83546078
If Dr. Manhattan is beyond Monitors, then Wally's claim that he's more powerful than Darkseid was a tremendous understatement. He's more powerful than the Gentry, perhaps on par with the Empty Hand.
>>83546078
No you idiot, also, if Johns were not a complete idiot he would use Tellurium
>>83546135
Tell that to Alan Moore then dumbass, not my fault he drew a Hydrogen Atom wrong
>>83546301
>>83546249
Do you seriously believe believe Johns had touched any Multiversity Issue?
Johns doesnt read other writters anymore.
>>83546368
Johns is literally DC's Bendis now. When was his last good book?
>inb4 Rebirth
>>83546249
>If Dr. Manhattan is beyond Monitors
There is no reason to believe this.
Again he merely interfered with a malleable timeline. He did not do anything that big.
>>83546384
Flash 200.
Prove me wrong
>>83546384
Rebirth
Forever Evil before that
>>83546384
Well since you've answered your own question, his last good book BEFORE Rebirth was GL #20. 2013 wasn't that long ago for a writer whose workload is as reduced as his.
>>83546421
His Action Comics run was after that and it was better than his Flash run by far
>>83546492
Objectively wrong on so many levels.
>>83546460
>Rebirth
It was a really bad comic, you only liked it cuz feels
>>83546460
>Forever Evil
>good
It had good moments and had good ideas, but it was horribly paced and didn't utilized most of the ideas properly
>>83546464
What year was the Amazo Virus stuff?
That period between Forever Evil and Darksied War was pretty damn great. Only part of his JL run really worth reading.
>>83546513
you might be a pleb
>>83546556
Forever Evil is alright, but the Justice League issues that ran alongside it added a lot. It could've been a truly great story if someone besides Finch drew it.
>>83546570
Amazo Virus was garbage, only the first few issues of Luthor forcing himself onto the team were good.
>Dr. Manhattan went from being an autistic beta loser to being the one that created the DC universe and is above every other entity
>>83546570
>What year was the Amazo Virus stuff?
How can you like such a terrible piece of crap? Amazo Virus was terrible
>>83546515
The presence or absence of an emotional reaction is one of the things that makes a story good or bad.
>>83546577
And you might be a jackass with a hard on for lame Donner Superman knock offs like Johns
>>83546613
And the anti-monitor went from destroying whole universes and darksied from collapsing the multiverse, to literally just fuck up like 3 blocks in gotham during a fight to the death between the 2 of them.
Here is the thing: Johns doesnt give a fuck about that. The only thing that matters is what he want to be canon.
The signs were all there, all along.
>>83546712
I never even watched the Donner movies before, it was a good run. Only Frank drew him with that face anyway.
>>83546638
And?
The book is crap, you like the stuff that happens in the book, but the dialogue, the pace, the logic behind what happens, and the charecterization were bad.
But sure, pretend is a good comics after all wally gets a hug.
>>83546515
>A story made you feel emotions
>This makes it bad
>>83546781
>the dialogue, the pace, the logic behind what happens, and the charecterization were bad.
none of this is true though
>>83546781
>The book is crap, you like the stuff that happens in the book, but the dialogue, the pace, the logic behind what happens, and the charecterization were bad.
What was wrong with any of it?
Who's characterization was bad?
What was bad about the dialogue?
What was bad about the pacing?
What was bad about the "logic behind what happens"?
>>83546784
Reminder that Hal lied and Barry is to blame, regardless of what Johns say
>>83546249Saturn Girl is Gentry
>>83546880
>Reminder that Hal lied and Barry is to blame, regardless of what Johns say
But it wasn't Barry, read the fucking story. It was Zoom.
>>83546997
>But it wasn't Barr
It was Barry.
>>83546249
>Manhattan is Empty Hand
>Watchmen was this game changer, that ended up just being co-opted by the very genre it tried to change, being used to keep the industry boring and marketable
What does /co/ think?
Jesus, anons. Lighten up a little bit. It's just a comic.
>>83546384
JL before Darkseid War, Batman: Earth One v2, writing episodes of CW Flash
>>83547144
>JL before Darkseid War, Batman: Earth One v2, writing episodes of CW Flash
>any of that
>good
>>83547144
That's stretching far beyond seriousness
>>83547086
It makes sense for DC to finally start sourcing from WatchmeX. I mean that comic has gone basically untouched for decades at this point. Not even Hack Snyder would touch it for the movie.
>>83547225
He did the first Captain Cold episode, and v2 was better than v1.
>>83547086
Rorschach was not vaporized the same way as Doc. Hell, Doc was never vaporized, he was removed from his own etheric field.
The only character that went through the same process as Doc's was Bubastis...
...
GUYS
>>83547144
>JL before Darkseid War
The JSA/JLA crossover was a long time ago
>Batman: Earth One v2
Is not even as good as your average Black & White Batman and Zero Year was better
>writing episodes of CW Flash
Now i know you are trolling. You could had said Arkham knight.
>>83547338
>He did the first Captain Cold episode
Sooooo heeee iiiiisss theee guy behiiiinddd cooooolllldddd taaaaalllkiiiing liiike aaaa reeetaaaard
>>83546249
He fucked with the timeline of one universe, anon. Let's not go crazy.
>>83546112
He was never a new god. He was still the probe but now he is evil because of anti life instead of ????
>>83547360
> Anything in Synder's Batman run
> Better
Lmao!
>>83549857
Johns was that bad
>>83546613
Then maybe there is hope for all of us, anon
I don't buy that it is Manhattan.
Manhattan described himself as a puppet, but one that can see the strings. Meaning, he was under the influence of the puppet masters as much as any other being and while he could see what he and others would do in the future, he couldn't do anything else.
I believe he is the agent of something else. He never had much power, he could control matter and space. Maybe he realized space and time are one and went beyond his own limitations, but that is a flimsy workaround that ignores the fact that this previous limitation affected his characterization profoundly. He was the most powerful being, and the most aware of how powerless he and everyone else was.
>>83546078
>Who watches the watchmen?
>Who monitors the monitors?
>the symbol that lines up
If they did this shit on purpose, I'll take back everything bad I said about DC
Consider the following:
During Robinson's Earth 2 run, he left a lot of plot threads dangling. One of the ones that we figured would never be answered was what the fuck happened to Mercury after the events shown in the first episode, where E2 Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman all die trying to stop Apokalips' initial invasion of their world.
>>83552107
Here he describes a "greater darkness" than Apokalips that kept him trapped, which is vague enough to be damn near anything. But the really interesting part is on this page.
Pay attention to how long he says he's been gone.
>half-score
>ten years
>>83552162
Keep in mind that in this comic, only FIVE years have passed since the death of the rest of the Roman pantheon during the events of Apokalips' invasion.
>>83552198
Mercury was unable to escape this darkness in order to pass on his power for a period of time that suspiciously lines up with the amount of time stolen by the Watchmen universe, and Dr. Manhattan.
Similarly, the first glimpse of the pre-New 52 universe reasserting itself that we see is Wally escaping from the Speed Force. Both cases begin with a flash of lightning falling to Earth, in order to begin a legacy again.
>>83546618
Amazo Virus was a great Trinity Story + Luthor.
It kind of sucked that the rest of the League got benched, but god damn it's been so long since we've gotten a good story with all three of them working together and highlighting their characters effectively that I loved it regardless.
Compare Wondy in that arc to how Johns wrote her at the beginning of the New 52 and it's like night and day.
>>83551006
Manhattan was fatalistic because he was bound by what he saw as inevitable conclusions based on the flow of time and the general nature of physics in the Watchmen universe.
However, the end of Watchmen involves him leaving that universe behind to try his hand at playing God, creating his own universe and possibly life within it.
What if the New 52 is a result of that experimentation?
>>83552350
Yeah the "Johns doesn't read other writers" meme is really annoying and Wonder Woman disproves it. I remember reading an interview where he was talking about at some point he sat down and just read a shit load of WW and fell in love with the character, which is why she's so different post Forever Evil.
It's just a shame Darkseid War tried to do so much at once because that was supposed to be her big arc. Her narration was good and showed he had a handle on the character, but she didn't really do anything.
>>83552513
Nobody fucking did anything in that event.
That's why the one-shots were mostly good, because it actually showed the characters DOING THINGS instead of standing around and fucking monologuing the entire damn time.
>>83552405
>leaving the universe behind
He said he might create some humanity elsewhere. He could have gone to another galaxy and populated a planet, or made a planetoid around some star and stuck around seeding and nurturing it.
>>83547086
Why the fuck have I never heard of this?
has literally any part of hypercrisis or meta discussion actually revealed a part of intentional inclusion of plot elements?
>>83555459
It managed to predict Ultra being the empty hand and Red Racer saving the day by using the bleed as speed force to summon every flash ever and punch Evil Nix in the face.
>>83555459
Triple jokers was suggested during the "joker is a mirror demon" thing.
>>83555459
>intentional
I don't think you quite understand the purpose of Hypercrisis threads.
It doesn't matter if it was intended or not.
>>83546135
>>83546316
Has your autism been diagnosed already?
God I hope so
>>83555459
We figured out Oberon Sexton was the Joker
>>83547086
What is this? Someone provide context.
>>83555778
See this is why I think that posts like >>83546112
and >>83546368 and >>83546734 don't matter.
The Hypercrisis is alive. It is its own thing. It uses writers or doesn't use them. What Johns wants doesn't matter. He's not in control. He's a puppet. So is Morrison. The difference is that Grant can see his strings and Geoff can't.
>>83552245
God fucking damn it, Earth 2 was based.
was
>>83556186
Abnett is doing his damnedest to salvage what's left, and actually hacked together a decent ongoing out of it.
>>83556108
Has the hypercrisis effected any other franchises? Not just other comic companies, likes Marvel, but other mediums entirely.
Anyone else hype as fuck to hear Morrison's reaction to Rebirth and read his new Multiversity Too one-shots after this?
Also daily reminder that literally every Morrison series starts out as a one-shot or mini and eventually has too many ideas and expands...
>>83556108
>Geoff can't
Here's the thing, what connects Morrison and Johns together is that both of them love taking old concepts and characters from elsewhere in DCU history and brushing them off to use in new works.
But where Morrison does a better job of contextualizing those aspects into a larger whole, Johns' work doesn't splice together as well on a cosmic scale.
That doesn't mean it's not part of the Hypercrisis though. Morrison's works often have the same themes played out over multiple levels within the narrative, and I see his work and Johns as paralleling each other in a similar way. Johns just wants to write cool stories with characters he likes. Morrison explains and contextualizes those stories within the larger whole of the DCU and its cosmology.
As above, so below.
>>83547130
>Its just a comic.
Keep telling Yur self that.
>>83556310
Theoretically it's a method of reading any type of ongoing setting development that is handled by multiple creative teams or writers after the originator of the setting, characters, or property has relinquished control.
So you could possibly apply it to everything from Sherlock Holmes to Doctor Who to the Lovecraft mythos.
>>83552162
Well damn
>>83546249
I'm imagining it'll be revealed eventually that Manhattan is being manipulated by the Empy Hand
>>83557874
Considering Johns is using the Watchmen characters to represent the kind of soulless "darker and edgier" revivals that take inspiration from all the wrong parts of Watchmen, that may not be too far off base.
>>83546737
I'm going to go back and read every single DC comic ever published starting with Action #1 and look for hints and cameos by Dr. Manhattan. Will report back as I find stuff
>>83546406
There is because he is the embodiment of an extratetual threat, the same way Mandrakk and the gentry are. And Geoff has said that Rebirth is based on the morrisonian version of the multiverse, which in turn exists within our real world. One could even argue that the grimdark tone of the monitors world was caused by manhattan, with Mandrakk being an Alan Moore analogue. The monitor world even had its own doomsday clock.
>>83546368
Morrison has straight up said in an interview for the release of the Multiversity collected edition that he and Johns actually explained to each other their respective interpretations of the multiverse. Johns take on the DC universe for rebirth is the morrisonian one, too (The giant, ever expanding story that gets life with everything that is written)
>>83559142
>>83546078
Why does everything fits so fucking perfectly its almost like the creator are all tamping into actual events... From the multiverse which we get as s
>>83546937
Oh shit
>>83560300
Circles are easy to add layers onto, so if you make a massive circle and leave a good chunk of it empty/vague for future use you'll be pretty safe to add more shit as needed down the line.
>>83546078
No it wasn't. That circle below Destiny is Nil, the world of the Monitors, as seen in Superman Beyond 3D.
If you're going to hypercrisis, do it right.
>>83560300
Wait til you look at the map and the atomic structure of a Krypton atom.
>>83560209
>he and Johns actually explained to each other their respective interpretations of the multiverse.
>You will never get to hear this convo
>>83560657
>No it wasn't. That circle below Destiny is Nil, the world of the Monitors, as seen in Superman Beyond 3D.
>If you're going to hypercrisis, do it right.
Are you retarded?
>>83561123
>Are you retarded?
>If i'm going to have a symbol, it shall be one that I respect
>I know, i'll put the world of some otherworldly beings on my forehead
>beings who Watch the Watchmen
It's one thing to form theories. It's another to go completely against what the creators did. That world is Nil, the world of the monitors.
If anything, the Watchmen universe if from one of those unknown Earths that the Monitor Magis made.
>>83561302
>Manhattan's symbol happens to line up with Nil
>Point it out
>You start throwing an autistic bitchfit
Is this your first time in a hypercrisis thread?
>>83561416
It's my first time to have you in these threads.
>>83561553
So it's your first hyper crisis thread, got it
>>83561595
Bitch I made some of what save in these threads. Don't go dick waving about who got here first.
>>83561657
Then don't go acting like an autist when you know damn well how Hypercrisis works
>>83561684
>autist
>retarded
Use those sparingly boy, people might think you're projecting.
>>83561772
>Projecting this hard
>>83560233
requesting a loss edit
>>83560657
Uh, his dot and the circle for Nil lining up makes it more connected not less. He marked them.
>>83547086
> Manhattan never killed Rorschach
> just Final Crisis'd him to another worlds
> he's forced to jump around the multiverse for all eternity
> Rorschach is out there somewhere cracking skulls and being Rorschach wherever he's needed
Pls make Rorschach on Infinite Earths, DC.
>>83546249
Are those creatures carrying the cables or whatever just masses of naked people clinging together?
...I think I need to request a storytime of that comic because what the shit
C'mon /co/ we all know who did it.Infinite 4Chan crises when?
>>83562655
>Are those creatures carrying the cables or whatever just masses of naked people clinging together?
Damn, I never notice how much Demogorgunn fucked them up
>>83546078
Daily reminder Spider-Man is Marvel Flash
>>83556310
True Detective
Pokemon
Ben 10
C:0da
Transformers
Spider verse
So I read the whole Multiversity.
Did I miss something? I've read a lot of Grant Morrison over the years (Animal Man is still my favorite), but it just feels like I missed the shit out of something. Ultra Comics in particular didn't haunt me the way I expected.
Pax Americana's art was nice, I'll give it that.
Just felt like each issue was a backdoor starter for individual series (and after a quick google, that's exactly what they were), and I feel this detracted from the flow of the event.
Or am I just stupid?
>>83561000
>>83560209
And then they fuck>>83562542
That explains Greg Weisman
>>83555459
Godhead
>>83556310
Looney Toons
JoJo
Anything related to Dracula or have Dracula in it
Devil May Cry
Megaman
Fallout
Kingdom Hearts
Lost
Possibly porno parodies
Uncle Grandpa
Chalk Zone
Karmin Rider
Pepe
and more
>>83546078
Hooooly fuck, no way.
If they really did this, I'm impressed.
>>83562969
Wouldn't be farfetched. Pax was just a modernized Watchmen that'll never be finished.
>>83555897
has yours
>>83546515
>this is what disniggers tell themselves at night
>>83561772
Can you leave already?
>>83562542
That's just Rorschach combined with Pariah.
>>83562992
I wonder what do the 5th dimensional beings observing our Universe think about the sick shit I fap to?
>>83563494
they think it's pretty tame, and worst of all, lacks variety
>>83546301
As a physics undergraduate you triggered me
>>83563494
I think they wouldn't give a shit for they see too much shit.
>>83563025
>>83563635
>>83563599
>triggered me
kys
>>83546249
>Manhattan and EH go into this big reality warper duel
>The Empty Hand gets fed up with it and just decks Manhattan in the face to knock him out
>>83546078
>>83560958
>expanddong.jpeg
>>83563836
>empty hand
>not slapping
>>83562992
>>83563836
who else wants to bet by the end of this plot with Manhattan there'll be a confrontation between him and Captain Adam
>>83564147
>Anything that can be disassembled can be reassembled. But it's never the same. That's the part you don't understand, Doctor.
I've been out of the loop for awhile, can summon red pill me on what's happened since Flash-point? Manhattan is the God of the DCverse now?
>>83565170
No he just pulled ten years worth of a Rumplestiltskin from Shrek 4.
>>83564147
I hope that the meeting between the two of them ends with Captain Atom reverting back to his 80's characterization, seeing Manhattan as a nightmare or a warning.
>>83546078
They should have just made it a monitor trying to make the main universe more like the Watchmen universe to represent the writers that missed the point.
Using watchmen characters for it is like claiming it's impact was intentional.
I really should read multiversity I got put off at the start by all the one universes fiction is another's reality crap.
>>83565336
That's auctualy a really good way of putting it
>>83566888
Oh classy hero vandel savage
>>83559222
See you in 12 years
>>83559222
Wouldent it make more sense to start from watchmen's release or a year or so before it
>>83567197
Dr. Manhattan exists at all times simultaneously.
Why would that make more sense?
>>83567225
Or he is a Superman analogue from that universe. A man turned alien by his own people.
>>83565170
Who we are assuming is Manhattan has been taking nits and pieces of history, 10 years worth.
This is why the universe has been so different since Flashpoint.
Also now Wally and post-crisis Superman and his family are back.
>>83566888
I'm liking the way they do it in earth me though the leaking through thing
>>83547086
Every time I'm reminded WatchmeX exists I'm convinced its an elaborate joke
>>83567475
It is?
>>83555925
I've read somewhere that since Oberon is the king of the fairies, he is "Fey King", get it?
>>83546078
Dammit. Morrison ties things into shit he doesn't even know is going to happen yet.
