Only post the edgiest character designs ITT
>>83540065
is it wrong that I like that costume?
>>83540065
I love that suit. It's weird, while it has tons of actual edges the designe looks better than back in the day.
>>83540065
Isn't that the costume that the St. Dumas guy used for his batman run.
I really liked those comics. The part where Gordon freaks out because batman is still there after he turns around is fucking golden.
why were golden age heroes so edgy?
>claws
>blades
>backwards baseball cap
>long hair
>more blades
>knives
>belt blades
>power to set blood on fire
>more claws
>goatee
>shoulder pads
>claws on shoulder pads
>>83540775
Looks like a black haired Steven Tyler from Aerosmith
>>83540775
that fucking nipple ring
>>83540605
>those proportions
>>83540775
Now that's what I call edgy.
>>83540775
>that nipple ring
I am going to need some explanations as to what this was.
>>83540841
Is this an exercise in irony?
>>83540065
>>83541097
All you need to know is that it's an edgy future-Dick who went to the past to stop his bad future and got trapped. Then an edgy future-Raven corrupts future-Dick and he goes ALL THE EDGES.
![azrael_batman_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/me37GY0.jpg "azrael_batman_2[1].jpg")
>>83540460
I still think the helmet was good
>>83541202
This can't be from Liefeld. I can see his feet.
>>83540775
I'd probably be on edge too if I had to always worry about poking myself by putting my arms down
>>83541202
Feet aren't awful enough
>>83541202
Howcum no pouches on arms?
>>83541430
>We'll put some holes in her shirt
>But not over her chest oh no, that'd be rude
>>83540065
MD Batman
>>83541830
It's based of an old photo shoot of Debbie Harry, lead singer of Blondie.
>>83541430
>NUH MUH BTAS ;-;
Will the whining never end?
>>83542416
>only wallyfags and Superman fans have a right to cry about NOT MUH!
>>83540901
Is he wielding the powerful MACHETE OF FATE?!
>>83540605
The Shadow deserved a better movie
>>83543428
Derivative pulp trash gets what it deserves.
>>83540841
Shredder without his helmet. Minus the bloodfire thing.
>>83543468
You sure showed him!
>>83543626
Great rebuttal. Go cry into your fedora, man-baby.
can't get edgier than this
>>83543694
Literally looks like a Michael Bay Decepticon
>>83543661
deserved better here
>tfw I'm 20 but I know The Shadow from the radio series because a station used to play old radio shows when I was little
>tfw for a while grew up listening to The Shadow
>tfw i realize that the way he dealt with bad guys turned out to be my moderation style on minecraft servers a few years back
>go invis, watch them grief, keep rolling it back and taunting them until they start spamming chat hard before the ban
no one man should have all this edge
>>83540089
yes
>>83541430
Jester-fags gotta get over it.
This design is actually pretty good, the best new 52 Harley design we've gotten so far.
>>83543922
I've never seen such a long post say so little.
>>83542560
>>83542416 didn't say anything about Superman or the Flash much less give their fans a pass for using "not muh" as a complaint about new stuff featuring them.
>>83540841
Nigga just don't be understanding x-treme
>>83543846
Transformers vs Ninja Turtles confirmed
>>83543846
its michael bay Shredder, so yeah.
MAXIMUM OVER-EDGE
>>83542834
IIRC, it's made out of the helmet.
>>83543468
Derivative?
>>83546131
Yes, do you know what that word means?
>>83546481
That's the totally wrong approach; you should have started off with an explanation of howyou figure that The Shadow is derivative.
>>83546624
He's literally indistinguishable from every other dime a dozen fedora and cape vigilante from the 30's.
>>83546653
Then you haven't read much of The Shadow, much of other pulp characters like Doc Savage, or you don't know what "indistinguishable" means.
>>83546653
Ah. So you're an idiot.
>>83546816
Nice rebuttal. You sure showed me.
>>83546817
Wow. You had me going for a minute. 5/10
>>83546847
You can stop this farce, now. You over did the troll.
>>83546852
>>83546887
Wow dude epic, arguments I don't like don't count if I pretend it's a troll!
>>83543694
I still think Super Shredder from TMNT II looks edgier.
>>83546894
Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
>>83546961
Speak for yourself. You're crying troll like a child to spare yourself even attempting to make any manner of argument.
>>83540065
This is his second or third suit, right? After equipping this he kills a guy and goes all nuts.
I like that suit actually, it's not supposed to be batman, because he's not, he's turning into a villain and the warped costume sort of shows that off.
People really don't give Knightfall enough credit.
>>83546714
>>83546816
>muh pulpshit
Back to the nursing home gramps.
>>83540901
holy shit what the hell,its like someone was high when they made this.
>>83541202
>he has pupils
2/10
>>83547077
We can only hope.
>>83547074
People who dislike it either haven't read the comic or don't enjoy cheese, all other people I know like it well enough
>>83546714
he's kinda right though, they all pretty much looked the same back then, just hat, cape, guns, call it a day. and anyway pulps aren't comics so it's a moot point, take it to some other board
>>83547324
Samefag.
>>83547324
I mean, he isn't, but that's opinions for you. Also, the Shadow has had a shitload of comics published, so that point is moot.
>>83547391
getting desperate huh
>>83547425
>the Shadow has had a shitload of comics published,
that nobody gives a shit about...
>>83547471
>>83547585
>yep exactly
Exactly what, you lazy ass troll? Who ever claimed that The Shadow was the driving force behind comic popularity? It was a well known character who had some talented creators/personalities attached to it (like Orson Welles) and Anon would like to see a decent attempt at a movie. Untwist your micropenis, man.
>>83547585
Are you fucking stupid, Howard Chaykin wrote the Shadow for a bit. Back when he was good and doing American Flagg!
>>83547713
>It was a well known character
Don't kid yourself.
>all these buttflustered pulp fags
Does the nursing home allow internet access often?
>>83547821
>"The Shadow" - One of the most popular radio shows in history. The show went on the air in August of 1930.
"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" The opening lines of the "Detective Story" program captivated listeners and are instantly recognizable even today. Originally the narrator of the series of macabre tales, the eerie voice known as The Shadow became so popular to listeners that "Detective Story" was soon renamed "The Shadow," and the narrator became the star of the old-time mystery radio series, which ran until 1954.
There's also been various comic series running pretty much non-stop for decades. You not liking something doesn't mean no one else does.
>>83546817
>>83546894
>>83547005
>>83547076
>>83547471
>>83547585
>>83547901
All this shitty samefagging. Jesus.
>>83547942
This characters heyday ended decades ago. Don't pretend he's anything but hipster fodder now. And with good reason since he does nothing Bat man does do far better.
Razorfist go away
>>83547713
I tell you whut, I wanna see a decent Doc Savage, or The Avenger movie.
>>83548147
I feel like we'd juts end up with some abomination like pic related when the studio tried to get gimmicky with it instead of just making a quality adaptation.
>>83548219
Yeah, my mancrush on Ron Ely aside, the Doc Savage movie wasn't any better. An the John Phillips Sousa music didn't help.
Man, that Shadow does look just like The Avenger.
Doc Savage, too.
>>83548596
Now post how many other generic fedora and cape mystery men he looks like.
>>83548776
Such as...?
>>83548878
You tell me pulp fag. Pull any 'golden' age character out of a hat and there you go.
>>83549046
If you cannot find any of the characters you claim he is derived from, you cannot claim he is derivative of their style. Considering his popularity at the time, he probably inspired most of them himself.
>>83548878
The Spirit
Zorro
and ya know, Batman
>>83541290
this actually looks like something youd see in a berserk clone videogame
>>83540065
TWO companies thought these designs were a good idea.
Remember him /co/? should he comeback and kill nu52 Lobo?
>>83540089
Not op,
no, bur you need to be honest that it's a silly costume and aesthetic. Nothing inherently wrong with that. It's just delusional and embarrassing if you think that it's serious and 'more legitimate'.
>>83549339
Darkclaw is the opitime of bad ass though
>>83541052
Shut your goddamn mouth
>>83541260
Well he's not really Dick. he's a guy thinking he's dick when in reality is just a mindcontrol nutcase and he rape his girlfriend or something
>>83549152
holy shit, now i'm triggered. you literally have it backwards. the shadow debuted in 1930. that beats batman by 9 years. the spirit was a year after batman.
original gun-toting crime-solving batman was a direct tip-off of the shadow.
>>83541430
Eh, something about that color blonde makes me nauseous. And I wish they went for more saturate Pink(/Red) and Blue.
At least the comic version tried to make the colors better.
I don't care about the costume otherwise, aside from wondering if an in-universe Debbie Harry would have a public opinion on it.
>>83544601I like faceless joker
>>83549725
rip-off*
>>83549152
>The Spirit
...came 10 years after The Shadow.
>Zorro
...is set in Old California, over a hundred years before The Shadow (tho he was created in like, 1919 or some shit); he is a lighthearted swashbuckling character. He has a hat and a cape (different from what The Shadow wears), and a sword and a whip, fighting dudes who use lances and flintlocks. He's an anti-government revolutionary like a less-pretentious "V", or a Robin Hood, as opposed to The Shadow, who is a dark hard-nosed, crime-fighting, two-gun Punisher-esque character with a touch of "Oriental mysticism" thrown in.
>Batman
And here we definitely know this is a troll, as Batman came out 8-9 years after The Shadow.
That's okay, tho, I like talking about pulpy characters.
>>83549725
Nope Batman was first, Shadow never had comics until the 40s
>>83540065
This would be an excellent villain design, not going lie.
>>83540775
This however, is just atrocious.
>>83549612
What's the matter? You have a boner for Scarlet?
>>83549819
that's retard logic. it doesn't matter if he had a comic, the character already existed, and was hugely popular.
>>83549819
Shadow had a radio show and dime novels well before Batman saw the light of day.
>>83549873
Not in comics, thus the point is moot. If anything Shadow ripped off Batman when he got his own comics right after Batman did but Bat man proved the better character in the long run.
>>83549891
Not fucking comics. Doesn't fucking count.
>>83549932
the shadow came before batman, and batman does all the stuff the shadow does. it's not hard to figure out which is derivative and which is the original.
it's okay if you like batman better, i do too. but acting like the shadow didn't exist until his comic book launched is just inaccurate.
but if you want to be wrong, it's okay with me.
>>83549932
>>83549953
But that's wrong.
>>83546949
>the mutagen changed his outfit
>>83550045
>>83550050
Not fucking comics. Do you realize how dumb and butthurt you sound trying to imply Kane and Finger ripped off something from a different media?
>>83549781
>Zorro
...is set in Old California, over a hundred years before The Shadow (tho he was created in like, 1919 or some shit); he is a lighthearted swashbuckling character. He has a hat and a cape (different from what The Shadow wears), and a sword and a whip, fighting dudes who use lances and flintlocks. He's an anti-government revolutionary like a less-pretentious "V", or a Robin Hood, as opposed to The Shadow, who is a dark hard-nosed, crime-fighting, two-gun Punisher-esque character with a touch of "Oriental mysticism" thrown in.
Forgeting the best part...he was real
we need these threads more often. I miss creative costume design. and not shit just for movies.
>>83550144
hey, i'm not the one who thought the shadow was derivative of something that came 9 years later
>>83550232
>>83550144
various forms of media rip of other forms of media literally 24/7, what the hell are you on about
>>83547324
But The shadow is one of the originators of that look, if not the original, anyway, which makes the "Derivative" comment stupid. Other things are derivative of his design.
>>83540580
Recently read all of the Knightfall arc and a bunch of other late 80s/early 90s batman. It almost felt like all the gags of Bats leaving Gordon mid sentence was a setup for this moment. Shit was crisp.
>>83549339
Darkclaw was the coolest thing ever when I saw a Wizard comic when Iw as like 7 years old. I still think the design has it's charm, though maybe they should've blended Batman's costume with another Wolverine one. maybe the brown/yellow suit.
>>83550144
>>83549932
Batcucks have reached a new level of delusion
>>83550511
Doesn't count with comics. The conventions are entirely different. The similarities you think exist between Batman and Shadow are superficial at best.
>>83550473
hell yeah
>discount spawn
AKA Killpower
>>83550606
Derivative or not his design is edgy as fuck so you pulpfags still lose. Good day sir.
>>83550758
>The similarities you think exist between Batman and Shadow are superficial at best.
are you sure?
>both suffer traumas before becoming a hero
>both travel to asia for training
>both return home to fight injustice
>both become detectives
>both use night and darkness to their advantage
>both use fear to terrify their enemies
>early batman uses a .45 caliber pistol, exactly the same as the shadow used
>>83550758
>The conventions are entirely different.
In what way? I'm failing to see how comics are so radically different from pulp fiction that there is no way that Batman could be heavily inspired by The Shadow. Yes, comics are a visual medium, but Batman is ultimately trying to do the same thing as The Shadow, which is to tell a story. Batman just uses pictures and words while The Shadow used exclusively words aside from the cover art.
>>83551184
>>83551188
You have no idea how comics work of the language of comic.
All of those are not only superficial and common literary tropes but it's not a ripoff since you can't ripoff from an entirely different media. Batman stands on his own.
>>83551188
He actually doesn't seem to understand that the pulps were the direct progenitor of comics. The early comics were rife with pulp conventions, especially the Charles Atlas Superhero.
Take a pint of Sherlock Holmes, a pint of the Shadow, stir in a few jiggers each of Doc Savage and The Avenger, have Zorro spit into it, and you've got Batman.
>>83551156
>his design is edgy as fuck
Really?
>>83551184
>>both travel to asia for training
that came waaaaay later
>>83551233
Yeah, many of those are literary tropes, but when so many of the same literary tropes are repeated between two different characters, can you really dismiss it all as superficial? Also, can you please explain your reasoning on how one form of media can not ripoff another? Because I'm pretty sure if you wrote a novel that's main character was a near copy of Batman with several aspects altered slightly it would be considered a ripoff. I'm not even arguing that Batman did that in regards to The Shadow, I just fail to see how ripoffs are impossible between mediums.
>>83540775
>That nipple ring
>>83551233
>literary tropes
>in comic books
but how would common literary tropes apply to an entirely different medium, such as comic books?
how is such a thing possible?!?
>still arguing with a batcuck
What is Tony Stark's edgiest set of armor?
>>83541290
>stalks eternally
Thank god for the yost series
>>83551494
>>83551539
Different. FUCKING. Mediums. They do not operate under the same laws. Batman literally COULD NOT have ripped off or taken any influence from some obscure radio and pulp character because the conventions of both mediums are mutually exclusive. Just admit you're a hipster taking popshots at a popular character to defend your derivative, generic pulp mystery man.
>>83548632
The man of Bronce lads.
>>83550955
aside from.. what, wolverine? does Marvel have a character they didn't rip off wholecloth?
>>83551829
>Different. FUCKING. Mediums.
>implying this changes everything.
toppest of the keks
>>83551539
>>83551494
Go away Razorfist. Nobody cares about your fedoracore superhero from 90 years ago.
>>83552250
Best storm
>>83540065
Superman X!!! So Xtremeee !!111
>>83551829
>>83552145
Jesus Christ, you guys are acting like I'm trying to crucify Batman. I love Batman, I think he's a great character, but to deny his stylistic and narrative origins in pulp characters like The Shadow is just dumb. To suggest that comics cannot borrow significant elements from other forms of media is absurd, considering how the aesthetics and raw ideas of comic characters and worlds can definitely be portrayed in a text only format; do deny this would be to deny the ability of words to conjurer up images in our imagination. It's like saying that cyberpunk comics owe nothing to Neuromancer and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
>>83552997
Your devotion to defend the honor of some archaic dinosaur from the dark ages of superheroism lead me to believe you don't really love Batman that much. Leave The Shadow in the depths of deserved obscurity where he belongs and stop white knighting him.
>>83550873
Dat Ass
>>83552997
Name a single thing Batman stole from Shadow that can't be applied to a dozen other characters. It's all bullshit. It seems more like Shadow is just riding on Batman's coattails for success.
>>83551829
Yeah and Bob Kane totally created Batman all by himself and didn't trace the art at all.
>>83553210
Has nothing to do with this.
>>83548041
But he doesn't. Shadow not only has no issue killing, he goes out of his way to torment and break people. Batman does that because it's how he can do what he does without lethal force. The Shadow does it because he wants to.
>>83553233
As I said, he does nothing that Batman doesn't do better. The Shadow is clearly just edgy whereas Batman is, ya know, a hero.
>>83553224
Yeah it does cause it's ignoring stuff Bill Finger admitted to. He admitted to just swiping the first stories from some Shadow serials.
>>83551616
It's a shame that the helmet of the normal armor is pretty cool while everything else is so boring.
>>83553271
Things that never happened for 500, Alex.
Are you seriously just some butthurt fedoralord trying to take potshots at a popular character with a load of bullshit?
>>83553060
Well as long as we're making assumptions, your obsession with discrediting the influence of The Shadow on Batman makes me believe you hate the idea that a character you like is not as unique or special as you had previously believed. Can we not enjoy things while acknowledging their derivative aspects? Is arguing against the idea that different mediums cannot influence each other white knighting? Did a pulpfag rape your mom?
>>83540901
Fate according to Image Comics.
Where did all these Shadowfags come from
Holy shit. /co/ really is hipster central now. is it hip and cool to defend shitty characters from 100 years ago now?
>>83541052
I always liked that design, it's a product of its time but I love it, despite the stigma it has.
>>83553348
>where did all these comic fans come from?
>>83553313
This is common knowledge man. I'm sorry you're a fucking casual who doesn't know comics history. The first Batman story was just a swipe of Partners of Peril.
>>83550473
>this
>edgy
Fuck that. I love it.
WHAT A QUALITY THREAD
>>83553292
It looks good like this but yeah, the new suit generally ain't that cool looking
>>83541430
That's not Harley quinn
>>83551184
Batman didn't have ninja training in his early days. That was a later addition.
Shadow, meanwhile, got his mind control and illusion powers from shangrila.
>>83553419
Oh H*ck, that was Fr*cking scary anon.
>>83553431
When is DC going to make a new Wetworks series?
>>83547076
>muh pulpshit
>posts batman
dat irony
>>83553464
Her period makes her edgier
>>83549339
Missed opportunity to make the claws be the little bat-wings on the gloves. Claws + batwings looks absolutely goofy.
>>83549375
hah, I see what they did there
>>83553482
>Batman
>pulp
Literally what
>>83553264
Batman's whole "no killing" thing has done way more harm than good. I'd say he could learn quite a bit more from the Shadow. Might stop Joker's next slaughter of innocents.
>>83553682
Batman was originally (and still is, to a great extent) a bastard offspring of the pulps.
>>83550473
when did miguel o'hara pick up this suit?
>>83553722
No he isn't. He's nothing like a pulp character today.
>>83553188
Yeah, a lot of the aspects of both The Shadow and Batman can be found in a bunch of characters. If anything that just proves that they're both derivative. But given that Batman shares so many of the same traits, especially early Batman, and that Batman was created during the height of The Shadows popularity, is it really reasonable to say Batman took no inspiration from the character? Obviously Batman has changed into a character that is very different from The Shadow today, but the original Batman stories share so many specific similarities that I don't think it's unfair to compare the two.
>>83553377
Most people hate the clone saga, i do too, but you simply cannot hate ben reilly
>>83553556
Ghost Rider doesn't really count as edgy, I think. He's remarkably timeless.
>>83553700
The no-kill rule is pretty much an editorial decision after Bats brutally knocked of a bunch of proto-Blockbusters in a SCIENCE!!! storyline. Still killed people after that; killed some in the 70s and 80s, even. Hell, ROBIN killed people.
>>83553759
I fucking loved the Clone Saga; they finally fucking killed off Aunt May.
>>83540089
>>83540065
No I've always liked it, if for nothing else than that it represents a certain classic period/story for Batman and DC. Plus I saw the knightfall book, they have it at Barnes and Noble and the costume fits the artwork in context. His whole style is like that so it makes sense on the page.
>>83553751
>share so many specific similarities that I don't think it's unfair to compare the two.
Similarities that could be applied to a million characters.
You have no ground to stand on. No proof. Just supposition.
>>83547074
>kills
Batman killed Ra's Al Ghul in the movies by not saving him and nobody gives him shit, Azbats has a mental breakdown and doesn't save a guy who slaughters his entire family because he thinks he'll get mystic powers and everyone gives him shit.
>>83543694
That was my favorite part though.
>>83551616
Hero's Reborn Iron Man. Have you seen the faces it can make? Also it has veins in its sculpted muscle.
>>83553907
Finger copped to it.
>>83553907
I'm not even the guy you're arguing with, but I wanted to take the time to step in and say you're crazy is you can't admit there are clear similarities already outlined in this thread between Bat-man and the Shadow.
>>83553996
No proof.
>>83554001
All of it is very vague and is reaching pretty far.
>>83553846
More emotionally heartbreaking than the mess that lead to One More Day at least.
>>83554003
http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/390/
>>83554078
Oh, I admit I cried while reading, big fat bitch-tears.
>All this Shadow shitposting
>Losing track of awful costumes
Nigguh fuck dat. Shadow has his place as an old-time icon that shaped comics alongside Doc Savage and Hugo Danner. You can't take that away.
By the way, here's Captain Steroid Abuse.
>>83553907
You mean besides the fact that The Case of the Chemical Syndicate was plagiarized from a Shadow story?
>>83554134
What the fuck is this
>>83554040
They're both vigilante millionaires that use darkness to their advantage and fight crime due to a trauma in their past. Additionally, the both dress in black and use secret identities to aid in their crime fighting. As was already mentioned in a previous both, early Batman uses the same gun as The Shadow. I don't think that Batman is a 1:1 ripoff of The Shadow, but I think there's enough to suggest that the character influenced Bob Kane and Bill Finger. While many characters may have these traits, it should be noted that The Shadow was one of the most popular characters at the time to embody these traits.
>>83554246
Still just assumption. I can say Batman ripped off Sherlock Holmes because they're both detectives. The Shadow was also never popular, not like you're making him sound. Finger and Kane most likely would've seen no need to dredge for ideas from some obscure pulp character.
>>83554323
But pulp fiction had a huge impact on the development of comic genres, why wouldn't Finger and Kane look to them for inspiration? Also, are suggesting that Batman wasn't influenced by Sherlock Holmes stories at all?
>>83554519
First Batman rips off some obscure pulp character and NOW he's ripping off Holmes? Make up your mind, friend.
>>83552066
He was based on Timberwolf from Legion of Super-Heroes.
>>83554134
jesus fucking christ
>>83554553
Inspiration is not the same thing as straight ripping off, anon. The detective stories that Batman borrowed ideas from borrowed ideas from Sherlock Holmes. Additionally, the dialogue in which Batman explains to Robin how he figured out the mystery of the week is very reminiscent of the conversations between Holmes and Watson. If you really break down characters enough, you can describe pretty much all of them as a mix of different, older characters. Which is actually fine; a lot of fiction is less presenting new ideas and more taking old ideas but combining and presenting them in new ways
>>83553393
>pulpshit for some literally who
>comic fans
How many people on this board give a shit or even know this fedoralord?
>>83554323
Not the guy you're arguing with but I'm a mainstream bitch and even I've heard of The Shadow and basic facts. Also he was pretty damn popular.
Just reading the sources on the wiki page for The Shadow is enough to convince me Batman is directly drawn from him.
>>83554724
Mike Haggar?
>>83554788
>>83554827
I'm through arguing about this. Enjoy your hipster pulpshit buddy. It's pointless trying to make you see reason.
>>83555009
Kill yourself Autistic Batfag.
>>83543694
Don't see how you can properly fight with that shit
>>83554724
What IS Dale Keown doing these days?
>>83555253
he can sheath them in and it looks like normal gauntlets plus he throws them like knives
>>83555009
I don't really see how I was unreasonable. I stated several times that there is a lot of evidence to SUGGEST that Batman took heavy inspiration from The Shadow, not that it is 100% undeniable fact that Batman is a Shadow ripoff. The alternative to suggesting that Batman did not take inspiration from The Shadow would leave us with two options. One, he was inspired by a myriad of other characters that are even more forgotten and obscure than The Shadow that shared similar traits. Two, Batman is a completely original character and any similarities with other characters such as The Shadow are purely coincidental. Both of these options are way more convoluted and less likely than the notion that Batman was inspired by a popular pulp character that he shares many similarities with. Oh well, it was fun discussing this I suppose, even if I never got a clear answer on how mediums can influence other mediums
>>83549375
His space motorcycle was a giant gun. Did Image need their own Lobo though?
>>83555425
*cannot influence
>>83553431
>>83553470
Yeah seriously I just started reading their proper book. It's not bad, could be fun if remade.
>>83550144
Hey, does this guy look familiar to any of you?
>He doesn't know the Joker was based on The Man Who Laughs
Am I wrong? I could have sworn there were a couple of interviews specifically saying this...
I'll post sauce if you need it.
>>83555425
>Batman is a completely original character and any similarities with other characters such as The Shadow are purely coincidental.
Why is it so hard to believe this is the case? Would Batman had endured nearly 80 years if he was REALLY a ripoff of some obscure pulp garbage?
>>83540065
This was my favorite bat suit as kid,well until Batman Beyond came out.
This character is literally just edges.
>>83557007
Occam's razor is why it is hard to believe. It's such a more complex and unlikely scenario than the creators drawing influence from a form of media that is well known to have an influence on early superhero comics.
It also seems weird that everyone is calling The Shadow pulp garbage when early superhero comics were about the same level of written quality as pulp stuff. Have any of you guys read the very first Batman comics and then read some of The Shadow's stuff? It's really not that outrageously different
>>83557007
>Would Batman had endured nearly 80 years if he was REALLY a ripoff of some obscure pulp garbage?
Yes. The answer to your question is yes. Because Batman kept expanding beyond the works he was derived from.
And I thought you were done.
>>83557422
The Shadow was and still is a generic bang bang shoot em up vigilante, Punisher done much worse. Batman was something nobody had seen before hence his longevity and fame to this day.
I can't believe all the retards falling for someone pretending to be a batfag, you guys are the real retards being played for fools.
>>83557481
>people who don't think like me are retards
>>83557422
>when early superhero comics were about the same level of written quality as pulp stuff
No, they were on a much higher and far more imaginative level. And they've changed over the decades. Pulp shit is always gonna be pulp shit.
>>83557466
The Shadow was one of the characters that helped to establish the generic vigilante character aspects that we see in characters like Punisher today. Is The Shadow outdated? Hell yeah, but I'm not arguing about whether The Shadow as a character still holds up today, I'm more concerned about it's influence. I'm not expecting people to read the old stories or put the character on some pedestal, but I think we should acknowledge the origins for a lot of the ideas that fuel our favourite comic book heroes.
I also feel that a big reason why Batman endured so much is that as a character, he adapted and changed as time went on, while The Shadow did not. Also, Batman started off as a comic character, which is a medium that has maintained relevance much greater than the pulp fiction and radio shows that defined The Shadow.
>>83557771
Why do you get so butthurt about people not liking the same character as you when you yourself admit it's outdated garbage?
>>83557809
Literally the only thing I've been arguing this whole time is that The Shadow influenced Batman. I just thought it was dumb that people were trying to claim that different forms of media can't influence other forms of media and that pulp fiction had no influence on Batman or comics in general. I just don't like people being dumb and antagonistic anon.
>>83558002
You didn't answer my question. Is simple English somehow complicated to you? You've spent a great deal amount of time white knighting some literally who early 20th century character pretending he had some kind of vital all important creative influence on fucking Batman.
>>83558048
Yeah because that's what I think is the truth. I think The Shadow had a big impact on Batman. That's why I'm discussing it on a board for the discussion of comics in my spare time. It's pretty simple my dear anonymous
>>83558133
And everyone else here seems to disagree with you.
Not to mention I think you jumped in like a frothing fanboy when somebody pointed out the fact that The Shadow has a very generic, uninspired and derivative design, which at that point in the thread had nothing to do with Batman.
>>83558166
I jumped in to the fray way after after Batman was brought in, about the time when people started claiming that different forms of media can't influence other forms of media, which I think is stupid. That's really my triggering moment.
>>83558166
everyone else as in just you, because there's only two people left in the thread because of you guys?
>>83558472
This thread's been going for a while and literally nobody is on this guy's side, nobody feels the need to white knight some nobody pulp character from nearly a century ago.
>>83558508
I am you dumbass, because he is correct. just googling the character brings up info on how he inspired superhero archetypes.
>>83558508
I don't care enough to argue for over 8 hours
>>83558565
All of it conjecture, supposition and assumption. No fucking facts.
>>83558593
Why do you insist dragging this out any further? What is anyone's stake in this? All because somebody hours ago said the character was shit and edgy looking?
>>83558166
I'd like to point out that the reason The Shadow's design seems generic, uninspired, and derivative is because of all the copycats that flooded the market in his wake.
He was fresh at the time.
>>83558607
>Why do you insist dragging this out any further?
did you read my post at all?
>>83558627
I seriously doubt that. I honestly doubt fedora and cape was ever a fresh look by the early 20th century.
