Why is /co/ so autistic about FemThor?
It's still Jason Aaron writing Thor. Outside of a few panels, it's quality af.
It's really, really not. I don't want to get to into this (and /co/ is not really the place with all the women-hating shit you get here) but it reads like a guy read a textbook on feminism and then felt a demonstrative and performative need to shovel as much of that into the book as possible without any regard for the main character, Jane Foster, or any of the established Thor supporting characters, to the vast detriment of the book.
I don't hate the idea of an unworthy Odinson having adventures while Jane, a longterm Thor character with a lot of material to play around with, takes up the mantle - but this is a really poor execution of the potential that concept could have had.
>>83506957
Forced feminism makes Whor a chore to read.
>why is /co/ so autistic about Femthor
Because nobody else is.
>quality AF
Well you're wrong there.
>>83506957
I've never been a fan of Jason Aaron, and then the second he gets on Thor he kills my obscure Dark Elf waifu to "raise the stakes" with the Dark Elves.
Fuck Jason Aaron, man.
>>83506957
No it really isn't. There's an astounding lack of focus and narrative drive and Jane herself is incredibly bland and useless in her own book. Even though she should be the center piece she doesn't make any logical decisions and the decisions she does make dont move the plot forward in anyway. She's just around to be an obtuse asshole that hits shit with her shiny new hammer. And don't even get me started on the "Who is Thor?" Shit that took up 8 issues in the first run.
>>83506957
>outside of a few panels
>>83507091
>that pic
God dayum.
>>83507091
But feminism, anon! What does it matter if he kills an established strong female character for shock value?! Jason will surely write more empowered women like Amanda von Doom into the story.
To summarise
>Since when is Thor's name a title?
>The who is Thor mystery was incredibly boring and over stretched
>Nobody cares about Jane Foster
>Rather than show us why the new girl is cool the writer prefers to just shit on established characters to make her look good by comparison
>The Titania/Absorbing man scene
Also sexism I guess?
>>83506957
>It's quality
Except it's not. That's the real problem. I don't think anyone here actually gives a shit if Thor has tits or not
>>83507165
>I don't think anyone here actually gives a shit if Thor has tits or not
Well you're wrong about that one sir. I know for a fact that thered be people bitching even of JaneThor was godbutcher tier.
Might as well storytime the last issue, because people are clearly just parroting shit from /co/ without reading it.
I was never really a fan of Thor but I could at least say as a character he wasn't boring.
Jane is an impossibly boring character with "look at how cool she is" shit thrown in
>>83507155
>Since when is Thor's name a title?
Since that guy who eventually became Thunderstrike became Thor, back in the... fuck, late 80s I think?
>>83507035
This. It feels like Jason Aaron left the book after 25 issues and someone else is ghost writing it. I know not everyone liked God Bomb and the other arcs in those issues but the difference in quality between those and female thor are like night and day.
>>83507261
But Thunderstrike actually just had thor in him and thought he was thor for a while.
>>83507270
I think Aaron is being abused by Marvel's editors.
>>83507204
No. I dropped the comic for a reason.
>>83507155
To add:
>Odin going out of character and being a complete asshole
>almost everyone accepts someone else besides Thor weilding Mjolnir, from Asgard to Avengers, the few ones who don't are portrayed as evil
>>83507270
Look at how the concept of Jane Foster-Thor was introduced in the first volume
>>83507317
>>83507348
Her story literally falls out of the sky and on to their desk.
>>83506957
>FemThor
Whor is the correct title, and it will last until she does something worthy
>>83507349
>>83507193
Possibly, but that fact that it isn't means it gets even more hate.
>>83507365
Whor is a horrible title and almost makes me want to like the book.
>>83507283
>But Thunderstrike actually just had thor in him
A reveal that didn't happen until a couple issues before he stopped being Thor.
>and thought he was thor for a while
At no point did he think he was Thor. As far as he knew, Thor had gone missing and was possibly dead, so Eric used Mjolnir to carry on the title of Thor. He tried keeping it a secret that he wasn't the real Thor, but plenty of people figured it out (like Absorbing Man and Titania) or outright knew otherwise
The absolute fucking worst thing about this whole Jane Thor debaucle is the sheer magnitude of people who go "Thor isn't a title!" then another goes "But what about Eric Masterson!" and then the other people start fucking parroting wrong ass info they half remember from skimming a wikipedia article.
Hey, all you faggots that call yourselves Thor fans because you watched the movies and read a few arcs of JMS' run, GO READ THE ERIC MASTERSON THOR RUN.
You want to see what "human picks up mjolnir and becomes Thor" done right is? There ya' go. It already exists and has existed for over 20 years. Stop talking out of your ass about a comic you haven't read just so you can try and save face in anonymous internet arguments.
It's a good run. There's literally no excuse to keep citing is as "proof" for your arguments one way or another when you clearly HAVEN'T. FUCKING. READ. IT.
The absolute smearing that Eric has gone through so people can justify their hate for Jane is disgusting.
>>83507363
At the time I took this as Arron basically telling us that this was basically forced upon him
>>83507374
Weren't Vikings actually pretty egalitarian? I don't buy the idea that asgard is a patriarchy with Odin as a misogynist.
>>83506957
>Outside of a few panels, it's quality af.
>>83507395
Stop fucking posting images in the storytime you retard
>>83507385
>He tried keeping it a secret that he wasn't the real Thor
So what you're saying is that he called himself Thor... while pretending he was the original.
Whereas it's obvious that Jane-Thor isn't Thor.
>>83507395
>>83507385
>Tl;DR
So yeah since when was Thor was a position of title?
>>83507363
>>83507390
>Some higher-up: We want Thor to be female for muh diversity but forget about the Thordis name!
>>83507437
>>83507460
>>83507409
They weren't egalitarian and they had very strong cultural values fixed on masculinity and femininity (calling a man a passive homosexual, or feminine, was about the worst insult possible in Viking cultures and could merit outlawry and/or murder) but women in Norse cultures had greater rights than women in many other European and really, worldwide cultures at the time.
In various Nordic countries and at various times women had free right of divorce, with a section of the wealth from marriage protected for them. Widowed woman could become powerful landowners and political players with the land they managed. And as head of the household a woman could have authority in making many decisions on how the home and land was managed that weren't regarded as "man's work". They didn't have too much of a hang-up on virginity either, in that they both practiced trial marriages and it was pretty common for widows and adult women with children to marry.
>>83507490
>>83507385
At no point in your retarded sperg rage did you stop to consider that maybe the guy pretending to be Thor didn't call himself Thor because he had adopted it as a title, but because HE WAS PRETENDING TO BE THOR.
That's some impressive mental gymnastics just to justify you being angry over literally nothing.
>still Jason Aaron writing
And that's the problem. I'll take others' word that his creator owned work is good, but the guy's never written a good Marvel comic and that includes Wolverine, Schism, Wolverine and the X-Men, Amazing X-Men, Ghost Rider, PunisherMAX, Hulk, and Original Sin.
>>83507365
Yeah, if you don't mind being seen as childish and any opinion you have being ignored, you should totally keep using it.
>>83507510
>>83507416
Those rules don't apply when someone does an impromptu storytime in a thread that didn't start as one.
>>83506957
Because it's not promoting female characters, it's destroying male ones. It confines a new character who could've been popular on her own merits to the niche of an established character, which is bad for everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sezDvqAgNsc
According to Feminist dogma, if a male and female character with the same powers exist at the same time, such as Hulk and She-Hulk, that's a Ms. Male Character and therefore misogyny.
But if the exact same female character is introduced at the expense of killing or depowering the male character, that's perfectly fine and in fact any criticism of the female character is anti-Feminist.
The only difference is whether the male character is still around to compare her to and potentially be more popular due to seniority. They're saying women are not able to compete with men, so men must be destroyed.
>>83507523
>Not liking Ghost Rider and Thor
>Reading only capeshit
How could one person be so retarded?
>>83507416
>storytime
This is not even a storytime thread you fucking retard.
>>83507525
If it makes you mad that's just a bonus.
>>83507533
>>83507581
>>83507556
I have no interest in the subject matter of Scalped and Southern Bastards. I'm not going to read something I have no interest in just because it's ~indie~.
>>83507390
I wonder if we'll ever learn about Aaron's conversations with editorial after his NDA expires.
>>83507604
>>83507641
>>83507533
>In the great northern wilds, a giant shaggy Beast howled at the sky
What does that one reference to?
>>83507525
>>83507381
These posts reek of Tumblr.
Whor is easy to write and conveys perfectly the real value of the character, who is just bad feminist propaganda. For now there are no reasons to use any other title to refer to this run
>>83507665
>>83507435
It was pretty obvious that Eric wasn't Thor either. And plenty of people in-universe assume that Jane Thor is just Thor after a magical gender-bend, which is hardly a new development for Gods.
>>83507686
Using Whor disregards Jane Foster as a character more than this actual run does IMO. It might have been appropriate pre-reveal, but it's not nowif you're a true Thor fan.
>>83507680
Wendigo I think?
>>83507348
Thor's daughters were better FemThors than Jane
>>83507691
>>83507686
I prefer the portmanteau explanation.
Horse Thor = Thorse
Clone Thor = Clor
Woman Thor = Whor
>>83507729
>>83507518
I wouldn't call being angry over the fact that a bunch of autists who haven't read Eric Masterson's stint as Thor keep bringin up his stint as for with objectively wrong info "literally nothing."
Have you read his run? No? Then shut the fuck up and stop bringing him up in every Jane thread like you're some kind of expert.
The World Still Needs Heroes.
>>83507753
>>83507739
>Horse Thor = Thorse
Why not just call him Bill or BRB?
>>83507777
And that's it.
But sure, keep bitching about the feminism.
>>83507765
Either way you're wrong, so why even bring it up?
Jane was never pretending to be the 'real' Thor.
>>83507815
Because it's funny, take that stick out of your ass.
Oh boy, so first Odin had to job to Whor, now guess what, it's Hulk's turn?
>>83507822
I'm a feminist and I'm bitching about the psuedo-feminism that Jason Aaron used as a shield for sloppy writting.
>we still don't know what old nick fury whispered to thor to make him lose the hammer
>the myster of who is Whor was absolutely nothing
>that Scene with Titania
Shame of Aaron for using the pretext of feminism to hide shitty writing
>>83507849
I don't care about Jane Thor. Jane Thor sucks. I care about people spreading misinformation about Eric's run and dragging his name through the mud and demeaning his time as Thor just so people can justify their hatred of Jane.
You know what would actually be legitimate justification? Go back and read Eric's run then compare how he did certain things better than Jane does. Compare Eric's first encounter with Titania/Absorbing Man to Jane's for example.
If someone was going around who had never read a Captain America comic and kept saying shit like "Steve didn't become Captain America until the 60s when they found the original captain america frozen in carbonite and he fused with him gaining his powers and carrying on his name" or some other blatantly wrong shit like that then everyone would jump down their throats and drive them off the site for being so wrong. But when it comes to Eric, everyone seems to be allowed to make up whatever the fuck they want about him and just throw it around as fact and I'm fucking sick of it.
Eric was the Best Thor. He was the everyman hero. He fought Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and attacked Annihilus with a fucking GOD GUN. He's more than just some tiny blip of trivia you pull out so you can bitch about SJWs.
It should have been Sif to pick up the hammer.
She shouldn't be called Thor.
Stop with the whole "every male I fight is a literal patriarch."
>>83507822
Are you serious, anon? This is your defense of the current Thor run?
When your intention is to reference Norse myths and sagas and you fuck up and make things less interesting than the actual saga, you needn't have bothered. This reads like someone writing a bad God Butcher young Thor (it's incredible to me this is the same author) amidst another story where, by and large, nothing happens. The Roxxon stuff is generally dull as shit and fucking torture to go through issue after issue with - and did we seriously spend an issue on this development with it? This issue has so much wasted space! Loki is dreadful, both present and past - you can do villain Loki or you can do Gillen Loki but this doesn't do either of them well.
The lettering on the location boxes is particularly eye-catchingly atrocious too.
>>83508019
And next issue we get new Bodolfs and we get the BvS-tier references coming together to stop them, presumably. Wow this truly is the best Thor ever, move the fuck over Simonson.
>>83508011
>people spreading misinformation about Eric's run and dragging his name through the mud and demeaning his time as Thor
But nobody even did that. You're literally mad over nothing.
What happens if Odinson just traded Whor for the secret of his unworthiness with her real identity?
>>83508014
Sif should just keep having a comic, hammer or not.
>>83508048
>But Thunderstrike actually just had thor in him
The implication here is that Eric wasn't actually worthy and wasn't acting on his own volition, but was just a vessel for Thor. That he was never truly Thor.
>and thought he was thor for a while
At not point did he think he was Thor.
The former demeans his time as Thor and implies that he was a non-character, and the latter is outright wrong misinformation. Oh, but that's right, none of you "true Thor fans" have ever read any of his comics besides maybe a couple recent runs and bits and pieces of Simonson's so you wouldn't know that. But keep on getting mad about the current Thor run while actively ignoring the good Thor runs of the past. Because fuck reading comics unless they'll get you OUTRAGE'd, amirite?
>>83506957
She's not a character, just a propaganda tool.
>>83508181
She's in Avengers Academy, she's fun, tough and she bullies Loki.
>>83508181
Journey into Mystery featuring Sif was a sales failure unfortunately.
>>83508181
They tried that. No one bought it.
>>83508225
Their point still stands.
Jane is not pretending to be Thor, Eric did.
>>83508410
>mfw i bought the trades
>so hype
>dat art
I would triple dip if they ever tried again.
Kat did wonders.
So why'd Thor become unworthy?
>>83507739
It also makes for a great pun. idk why people think she's actually being called a whore.
>>83508827
Straight White Male
>>83508827
Nick Fury whispered something to him that the readers were not privy to.
>>83508887
still?sorry about your almost trips
>>83508579
She goes by "Thor," just like Eric. How is he pretending to be Odinson any more than she is?
>>83508827
We still don't know. I have a feeling it will be swept under the rug once the original comes back.
>>83508900
That's correct. /co/ still has "What did Fury say to Thor?" threads to this day.
>>83508916
Are you fucking dense? Eric Masterson knew he wasn't the true Thor, whether he carried the title or not. FemThor has literally replaced "Odinson" as the true Thor. There's a huge difference
It's probably because even now she still manages to be less of a character than her what-if counterpart Thordis.
>>83509061
So then you agree with me and disagree with the person I quoted?
>>83506957
Writing sucks /thread
>>83509399
>/threading your own post
>>83507193
>godbutcher tier.
So still shit?
I think it's hilarious there have been so few threads about this Young Odinson vs Druid Hulk thing when the eariler Thor issues got plenty of threads
>>83507261
He was quite literally pretending to be the man known as Thor
>>83506957
I like the design but not the character
>>83509383
Your reading comprehension is shit, mate.
>>83507641
Why the fuck did Aaron think it was a good idea to make a viking Hulk
>>83508916
Are you retarded? The difference is clear. Eric was trying his hardest to pretend to be Thor. He didn't think he was actually the person named Thor.
This is not even remotely the same situation as Jane
>>83506957
Because it was a good idea executed poorly
Instead of having a cool female super hoer everything cool about her was only cool because the male thor did it first. She's sending the wrong message because she's only cool by riding on the coattails of an actually cool male superhero.
>>83507193
People would also bitch when some random dude picks up the hammer and is suddenly godbutcher tier.
>>83507849
>Jane was never pretending to be the 'real' Thor.
Is that why Bor was said to be Jane's grandfather, as in a BLOOD RELATIVE, in the [unsolicited opinions on Israel] scene?
That's as stupid as Miles Morales calling May Parker his real aunt by blood.
>>83509744
Well yeah, then how would we bitch about the SJWs ruining comics? That's the only reason anyone cares about Thor in the first place.
>>83510346
Jane is acting like she's the real Thor whereas Eric was just pretending that he was the real Thor.
>>83509744
Because it's shit, what's there to talk about
>>83506957
those pages of Titania and Absorbing Man talked me out of trying the book
>>83509744
>this blatant dishonesty
The last like five issues have gotten nearly the exact same amount of threads
>>83510061
This pretty much.
These comics arent telling readers 'hey look girls can be awesome to!' they're telling readers 'girls can never be successful on their own, the only way for a girl to ever match her male peers is if she imitates them and stands in their shadow'
>>83506957
Because even though the hammer says that anyone worthy can possess the power of Thor, because a woman did it, /co/ will instantly sperg out because of the SJW, Tumblr and Feminist boogeymen.
As it is I think the concept of taking the overly macho male Thor and have a woman do his thing for a bit is a pretty good subversion of the character. Especially since we all fucking know its going to reset and Thor will be Thor again at some point.
I genuinely don't believe /co/ would be freaking out so much if Thor was replaced by a man. Anyone who says the reaction would be the same is fucking deluded. Which is not to say they'd like it, but they certainly wouldn't keep going on about it.
As for the execution though? its pretty awful. Nothing wrong with a bit of girl power here and there, given that comics are mostly male power fantasies but the comic itself lacks subtlety and beats you round the head with its "oh so progressive" feminist rhetoric.
>>83510889
Having the power of Thor isn't the same as being Thor
>>83506957
9/10 bait
>>83510889
>the hammer day anyone can be worthy
Jane didn't get the hammer because she was worthy, she got it because old nick fury whispered something to Thor. She didn't get this hammer on her own merits, she gotnit because sloppy writing.
>>83510889
>I genuinely don't believe /co/ would be freaking out so much if Thor was replaced by a man
Well yeah that's obvious. If Thor had handed off the hammer to a man, it wouldn't have gotten even half the marketing, and not looked like such a massive publicity stunt
>>83510921
But she isn't claiming to be Thor. She never said that all the things Thor did, she did, she's literally just using the name.
Which sort of makes sense given that she possesses the power of Thor, the hammer of Thor and is in effect the God of Thunder.
But even if she was just a gender swapped Thor, so fucking what?
>Being butmad that a character based on Norse mythology changed sex when that's literally what Loki used to do all the fucking time
>People actually hate women.
Literal faggots.
>>83510994
Note how I said the concept was pretty good, but the execution poor.
>>83511061
>But she isn't claiming to be Thor
Excuse me? She's doing exactly fucking that
>>83511061
I wish it was just Thor Odinson getting straight up gender-bent. Earth-X Thor is Best Thor.
>>83511060
>Implying /co/ is in any way mad that its a marketing stunt rather than the fact that "LOL THOR WHOOPS I MEAN WHOR IS A WOMAN NOW XD"
>>83510889
It's shit writing not because a woman has the power of thor but because it's all very contrived.
>Thor lost his hammer because Nock fury said something to him.
>The writer never ecplains what he said
>Instead of being a Superhero with the power of thor she becomes a legacy hero
>this makes no sense because Thor isn't a costume identity that can be passed down
>the writer insist on intially keeping her identity a secret for no reason
>Jane Foster isn't even a good pick to be Thor
>>83511121
Not him, but is she saying that all the things Thor did she did? That she was literally him?
>>83511151
That's what I'm personally mad about.
I'm not quite retarded enough to speak for an entire group of anonymous posters though
>>83511168
Again, note how I said the concept was sound but the execution was poor.
Reading comprehension mate
>>83511107
Well the execution is obviously is what we're pissed at so trying to make this about sexism is just baiting isn't it?
>>83511178
No, but what's your point? She's still claiming to be Thor. She literally stole his name. As if being worthy of Mjolnir gives you that fucking right.
>>83511179
If you're mad that Marvel or DC do story lines as publicity stunts then you might as well get mad at water being wet.
>>83511209
So you're trying to say that it's the idea of women in power that triggers even though you yourself admit the execution is shit?
Way to shitpost.
>>83507035
>and /co/ is not really the place with all the women-hating shit you get here
Sounds to me you're just a thin skinned faggot.
>>83511209
Note how it's the execution that people are pissed at it.
>>83511214
>Implying /co/ wasn't losing its shit before a single page was ever put to print and all they knew was the concept.
>Implying that isn't what people in this very thread are mad about right now
>>83511223
>Being mad about there being legacy characters in comic books.
Thor actually makes the most sense out of any hero the big two puts out outside of the Green Lanterns to be a legacy hero, given that anyone worthy enough can possess his power.
>>83511340
When Wally West became the Flash, he didn't change his name to Barry Allen.
Just because Thor went around being a superhero with his real name doesn't make his name up for grabs
>>83507533
Is that a fucking Ghost Rider?
>>83511178
She's acting like Thor's parents are her parents.
>>83511372
No, but he did call himself "The Flash" but everyone knew he wasn't the Barry Allen Flash.
Just like she's calling herself Thor, but everyone knows she isn't the male Thor.
>>83511518
...so? She's still using his actual name.
>>83511396
Yeah, that's the Bear Rider. He cameo'd in Aaron's Ghost Rider run.
>>83511546
So was Donald Blake and Eric Matterson
>>83511609
You know what the difference was with Eric? He knew it was not the right thing to do
>>83511372
>>83511518
So wait, are we being autistic about the fact that the writing isn't up to standards, the character isn't up to standards or that she should have chosen another name for everything to be OK? I like to get my shitposting straight
>>83511263
Sounds like you're a thick skinned bitch.
>>83511295
And it not being anyone who actually deserves the hammer or would go and pick it up.
I mean, since when does pity factor into worthiness?
Someone even specifically brought her over there to pick up that hammer, seeing as she is dying from fucking cancer and can hardly even walk as is!
The degreee of bending over backwards to make this happen is actually astounding.
To make this happen the following must happen:
- She has cancer and refuses any and all miracle treatment her role as envoy of Earth might grant her, completely ignoring the importance of her position for the wellbeing of humanity
- Nobody else who would be worthy touches the hammer first
- Some mysterious person convinces her that she needs to be taken to the blue area of the moon and pick up that hammer
- She continues to deny effective treatment while wielding the hammer and undergoing chemo, which is completely absurd because the hammer canonically purges the chemo out of her system every time, effectively signing her own death sentence while suffering for absolutely no reason
And that is just for her to be in her current position without taking the retarded politics in Asgard into account.
>>83511654
All three annoy me. Am I not allowed to engage in a discussion about one of those reasons in particular? Should I mention in every post I make that the writing is shit as well?
>>83511518
Except that they make a point of saying that Odinson can't call himself Thor anymore despite it being his actual name.
>Tfw you think a lady thor is a kickass idea
>Tfw Jane Foster Thor is executed in such a retarded way that it pisses you off
>Tfw you can't complain about it or you're a misogynist
Didn't this comic actually go out of its way to shit on the Lady Thor that actually existed too? Like
>This isn't just some LADY THOR, this is THE THOR
>>83511630
>He knew it was not the right thing to do
What? He did it to carry on Thor's legacy. He called himself Thor because "there must always be a Thor." Same reasoning behind Jane doing it. There was nothing stopping him from just using a different name besides Thor. He didn't go "I should stop calling myself Thor" until after Thor Odinson came back.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the CONCEPT of Jane becoming Thor. None. Anyone who has a problem with it is just a fucking casual getting triggered by a classic Thor plotline.
The problem is that the EXECUTION fucking sucks. This is a story that could have been done well and HAS been done well in the past. It's just not being done well this time around because Aaron is physically incapable of writing anything approaching nuance or subtlety.
>>83510889
>A bloo bloo bloo, /co/ hates Whor because she's a woman, muh SJW kneejerk reaction
Yes, why on EARTH would we have a knee-jerk reaction to SJW elements in Whor? It's so elegant and subtle, you'd hardly notice it if you weren't looking for it.
Look, maybe people would've reacted negatively to a female Thor if it had been well-written regardless, but it's not. Blaming people for a predisposition to dislike something is a losing side to take when everything they said they'd dislike about an issue or event ends up coming true.
No one (in conventional society) likes a racist, but when niggers pointlessly go and wreck Baltimore, well, what are you going to do, tell the racists off for being right? The fault was only on the former until the latter decided to go and vindicate everything they ever said.
Same scenario here. You want a well-written female Thor character? Shit, maybe someone could've done it. They didn't. Shit, as far as writing good female characters? They aren't, across the board. And as a result, in doing so, comic book writers have successfully given everyone in their audience across the board all the reason and basis they need to pass up every superhero book with a female lead for the next ten years, easy.
Newton's Laws apply to more than physics, apparently. Writers decided to push an issue, and in turn, their readers will push away from the issues they write.
>>83511870
>Tfw you can't complain about it or you're a misogynist
>we have constant non-stop 24/7 threads bitching about it and no one ever gets called a misogynist for it
Stop the fucking victim complex bullshit. You're getting worse than the X-fags.
>>83511914
>Same reasoning behind Jane doing it
No it fucking isn't you dishonest piece of shit.
Eric was conflicted about pretending to be Thor. He kept up the charade because yeah, he thought it would be better in the long run. But he didn't LIKE doing it.
>>83511945
B-b-b-b-but tumblr!!!
>>83511914
>nothing wrong with concept of Jane as Thor
Except for the fact it's uncreative
>>83511942
>No one (in conventional society) likes a racist, but when niggers pointlessly go and wreck Baltimore, well, what are you going to do, tell the racists off for being right? The fault was only on the former until the latter decided to go and vindicate everything they ever said.
I feel this kind of damages your point.
>>83508410
>don't advertise it
>don't give it a new #1 despite it coming out during a near line wide relaunch
They didn't try hard enough.
>>83512260
I'm not apologizing.
You don't protest a court decision by fucking raiding storefronts. You just prove everything bad ever said about you right in doing so.
>>83506957
As someone who hasn't read any of this, am I mistaken in thinking that Jane becomes a literal mouthpiece for Mjolnir?
>>83512317
Uh, no?
>>83512316
Some people might argue that the people who riot are not actually the same people doing the protesting and are in fact a bunch of idiotic looters taking advantage of a tense situation, same way that refugees fleeing their homes and countries are not actually the same people who are blowing themselves up.
But that's not really relevant to this thread.
>>83512453
>Some people might argue that the people who riot are not actually the same people doing the protesting
Those people would be idiots
>>83512453
Fine, whatever- omit the example if it makes you feel better.
My point is that writers can hardly make a case for female leads in male roles by writing them poorly. Doing so merely makes real every misgiving and doubt every sexist skeptic ever had to say about the idea.
>>83512317
You could certainly interpret it that way.
>>83512317
She becomes a mouthpiece for Tumblr.
>>83508225
The person you're arguing with never claimed to be a "true thor fan".
Calm down.
>>83510889
>>83511061
>>83511209
>>83512260
>>83512453
New challenger here, fuck you, they had Thor Odinson talk about how Mjolnir likes Jane better and SHE IS BETTER, FASTER, STRONGER too.
And it is all in HER comics.
>>83507363
Those faces...
>>83507523
I liked Punisher MAX a lot
>People defending Jane Thor
You people are what's wrong with comics today. It was a publicity stunt to earn brownie points with SJW that sacrificed good writing in the process. And no she's not a legacy character, she only has the name Thor because it's a recognizable brand name. You want Jabe to be a hero? Fine. Just don't do this shit, be a competent writer
>>83507627
Fair enough taste is taste but I gotta say for anyone else reading the thread; Scalped is reeeeeally good
>>83506957
It really, really isn't. It's a decent concept being horribly written.
You can probably disregard any criticism that calls her "Whor", though.
>>83507341
>>>Odin going out of character and being a complete asshole
Odin always been an asshole, but here he's one in the wrong way.
>>almost everyone accepts someone else besides Thor weilding Mjolnir, from Asgard to Avengers, the few ones who don't are portrayed as evil
People accepting somebody else wielding Mjöllnir is perfectly fine: wielding it is proof itself of being worthy of it, after all.
>>83511942
>You want a well-written female Thor character? Shit, maybe someone could've done it.
Waid.
Jane-Thor is much better in ANADvengers.
>>83507712
>Using Whor disregards Jane Foster as a character more than this actual run does IMO.
The run itself does that well enough already. It's less Jane Foster and more an ideological movement puppeting her body around and using it like a bullhorn.
Jane-shit legacy character
Robbie Reyes- good legacy character
>>83512453
>same way Muslims are fleeing Muslims behaving like Muslims, and then continue to act like Muslims
ftfy
>>83506957
Because it shits on Thor.
Honestly, I don't get what is so complicated and difficult to understand about something so incredibly obvious and simple.
>>83511942
>And as a result, in doing so, comic book writers have successfully given everyone in their audience across the board all the reason and basis they need to pass up every superhero book with a female lead for the next ten years, easy.
By your logic, because of how shitty most male-fronted titles are they should all be ignored too
>>83507385
The difference, you long-winded cunt, is that Masterson never thought he was Thor, he was playing a role and admitted it when he was finally outed.
>>83514665
He's saying no one is objecting to her calling herself Thor, when they know for a fact this is not the same person, and they NEVER TRY TO INVESTIGATE. Can you imagine Tony Stark of all people just going "Oh well, this woman we've never seen before says she's Thor and wields all this insane power, that's good enough for me no need to find out who she is or if she might have an ulterior motive!" Tony Stark does not do that. Ever.
>>83516759
Most wouldn't investigate because she is WORTHY therefore trustworthy by definition.
She's a woman who wield the physical proof of being worthy. They have no reason to doubt her, at best they might be curious why she's calling herself Thor.
Of course, most characters don't know Mjollnir's rules on worthiness have changed...
>>83507270
I loved and still love All of Aaron's work with Ribic on Thor God of Thunder. But this is exactly right. It is night and day. Thor and Mighty Thor is fun if you can manage to just not think about how much PIS needs to occur for the story to "work." I have trouble doing that but I can see why some may think its a fun book.
>>83507518
Exactly write. Also, they worked the handing over of the hammer to Masterson plot line for a long time. Aaron just did it with a whisper and a few characterization hi-jinx.
>>83508410
I bought it. It was actually pretty good. And also kinda throws a wrinkle into Aaron's run, given that it shows Jane is trusted by Asgardians well enough that Sif would bring a sick Gaea to be treated by her. Jane could just say she has the hammer and Gaea would be like "Odin, give her a chance, calm down." He'd be in a double bind between Freya and Gaea. Even celestials were willing to listen to Gaeaafter they BTFO Odin in Destroyer
>>83506957
Because Thor is the name of a Person and not a title or mantle? That's like having a female Luke Cage with the same name.
Someone post that art of absorbing man talking with original Thor having the Titania conversation
>>83515683
>By your logic, because of how shitty most (...) titles are, they should all be ignored too
...
yyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS,
>>83516874
You might have a point if worthiness of the hammer had EVER been some kind of trust test in the past, and not just, you know, some random standard determined by Odin, who rarely gives a shit about Earth.
>>83517655
It's both. Find something else to hitch about. There a hundred things to bitch about but the whole name/title thing is something only casuals focus on.
>Inb4 some casual gets triggered by the truth and bitchs about it anyways
Didn't Marvel promote Whor on THE FUCKING VIEW? If that's not pandering I don't know what is.
How can we know that Jane is even worthy if Mjolnir's enchantment has apparently changed on its own?
>>83516874
You know Deadpool had the hammer for a while right?
Maybe a little outside vetting is in order from time to time.
>>83519312
This. The second they promoted it on the view you should have known that it would literally never be good and would literally always be tumblr she pandering feminist propaganda bullshit literally why are women allowed to be? Its fucking bullshit and needs to be stopped to be quite honest family.
>>83516759
>>83516874
Writers have always played fast and loose with the idea of making new "Thors". Since Erik Masterson's been brought up a lot ITT, it's worth noting that even his run (and the Thor run that accompanied it when Thor himself was restored) wasn't entirely consistent. At one point he wasn't Thor, then he was Thor, then he set the matter straight and was treated like Erik in Thor's body, etc. Even when Odin kicked Thor out, and brought back that red-headed chump to be HIS Thor, he flopped between calling him "Thor" and "Thor of the Crimson Locks".
The one constant was that other characters didn't have to act like drooling retards in order to facilitate drama over Erik. However they felt about him, they were generally allowed to express skepticism, and they did so in-character. Except for Aaron's new run, where the side of the angels accepts NuThor unconditionally because She's The Sheriff, and everyone else is just a pack of hidebound fucks.
>>83519031
Well, until now all the known Mjollnir-wielders were quite trustworthy people: Thor, Beta-Ray Bill, Erik Masterson, Dargo Ktor and Captain America. And Hero Loki.
So, yeah, it's good enough as a proof of trustworthiness.
Also, she did get OK'd by Thor himself, though in a horrible hamfisted way.
>>83519433
Copy made by Loki, IIRC.
I thought the most well executed element of her character was the fact when they played with the idea that's she's being Thor partly to escape the weight of how soon her cancer was going to kill her.
Sadly, I don't think they really did anything with that save for 1 or 2 ANAD avengers comics.
>>83519673
The hammer is broken, so we really shouldn't trust it. We don't know why the hammer is doing what its doing. Who in the world trusts a hammer?
And Odin put Beta Ray Bill to a test, even though he wanted Bill to beat Thor, he put Bill to a test. IIRC Odin was alternatively possesed or asleep through a big part of the Masterson story arc. Speaking of which, Heimdall had Odin force during a period of the time. Masterson didn't want to fight or hurt Odin, unlike Jane. And also, Heimdall trolled Thor. No way can Jane fight Odin. Aarons Thor v Odin fight was just lame.
>>83517655
But... Luke Cage is a title? His real name is Carl Lucas. Luke Cage is his superhero name.
>>83522014
Powerman is his hero name
>>83519673
>Well, until now all the known Mjollnir-wielders were quite trustworthy people: Thor, Beta-Ray Bill, Erik Masterson, Dargo Ktor and Captain America.
>Captain America
Well....
>>83508862
because this is /co/
>>83522231
>Cap was still worthy despite being a HYDRA agent
This should tell you one of two things:
>A:Being worthy, despite being a HYDRA agent, HAS to be unintentionally spoiling a second twist where Cap isn't actually evil
>B:The writers are hacks and being worthy shot that twist in the foot before it was even conceptualized
>>83506957
>jane foster is more worthy, than anybody else in the enteriety and extension of the whole marvel superheroe universe, to wield the mjolnir, just because shes battling cancer
this is just mahvel being a guilty white male
>>83522012
>Who in the world trusts a hammer?
Those who don't know the hammer has been acting abnormally.
Like, everybody except the Asgardians.
And hating this character isn't mysogininistic or sexist, its just hating a character FOR BEING FUCKING BLAND AS FUCK WITH NO PERSONALITY, WHICH ONLY REMARKABLE TRAIT IS BEING A WOMAN
SERIOUSLY, ask femishits whats good about the character, only thing that they will say is that shes a woman
>>83522651
there is also the fact he might have been a sleeper agent, so he was worthy back then and wouldn't be now.
Reminder that modern feminism is a joke where it's more about being a victim than accomplishing something. So yeah pretending it's still the 19 fucking 50s. And you know what's funny? It has become a four letter word Jane
>>83507850
Because as of Power Pack, Thorse is technically canon.
>>83507543
>They're saying women are not able to compete with men, so men must be destroyed.
Which is mentally ill behavior, since having men and women at war quite clearly is destructive to society.
>>83511667
That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.
>quality
The only thing I care about is learning what made Thor "Unworthy"
Because I can't imagine it was good enough to justify doing this.
>>83525828
There is so much wrong with this page I want to have a brain aneurysm. NOBODY TALKS LIKE THAT
So when is this going to be retconned and forgotten?
>>83506957
>Feminazi Progressive SJW propaganda.
>Quality.
Pick one, retard.
>>83525828
oh my god
>>83526261
>>83525828
im actually triggered, disgusting.
>>83525828
Holy hell...
>"You certainly taste like I would imagine a Captain America to taste."
>"You taste like... ...Like a goddess."
>>83526299
>>83526261
Ok one, just because you point out how fucking stupid it is doesnt magically hand wave it away or make it witty. Also once again IGN proves just how retarded they are
>>83526299
>Four letter word
Except it might as well be one thanks to it being modernized into the joke that it is
>>83526427
to>>83525426
Gee its almost like a complete moron wrote this!
Someone post the one with Whor flying saying its great she has cancer or some shit like that
>>83526433
It's been a "joke" since the fucking 60's.
>>83506957
I haven't tried Vision yet but everything Marvel that /co/ has recommended as good and I've read in the last couple of years of publication has been embarassingly bad.
You really can't call Marvel readers too hard to please at this point, they'll praise anything that's not agressively awful. And from what I've seen Jane Thor is agressively awful.
>>83525828
That's Waid, but ok. Keep being retarded.
>>83526707
All New Ghost Rider wasnt badAt least I thought so....
>>83507247
1st panel is kinda cool
>>83526261
>>83526299
>>83526427
I don't even know where to start here.
>>83526707
>aggressively awful
anon I want to use this phrase it's perfect.
>>83526788
I really fucking hate how Whor switches between "American" English, and "Fakespearean" English. PICK ONE, FOR FUCK SAKES! Also, if they wanted to make a "female Thor", just have Loki cast a curse on him and turn him into a chick. Stop using that stupid as fuck "the hammer magically turns people into Thor somehow, while Thor is someone else entirely but not "Thor"".
>>83525828
Jesus that's bad. I understand the intent but the execution is just so clumsy.
>>83506957
because if it fits, I sits
>>83527001
See the thing is that - per this very comic - whenever other people get the hammer they get the POWER of Thor, but they're not Thor himself. They don't take the man's name, such that he isn't allowed to use it anymore himself.
Thor basically lost his name for a reason that is still not explained, and anyone who has a problem with that is a sexist pig.
I'm just waiting till Thor gets his hammer back. Kinda like how I waited till spock gave peter his body back. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would bring.
>>83507035
You realize it's like that because he's shitting on white feminists right?
The book is a pisstake
>>83526760
Haven't read that. I should note I liked Superior Foes, but who didn't, it was actually a good book.
>>83527113
No because the "fans" have already moved on to the next flavor of the month
>>83527151
>he's only pretending to be retarded
>it's just that nobody gets it
>and people keep buying the book thinking it's genuine
If that's the case he both the most subtle and inept troll ever.
>>83527188
I feel like a broken record but Whor is still the best selling female lead ongoing Marvel comic.
>>83527160
You should check it out. Robbie doesnt shit on the previous Riders for one thing
>>83527273
I dont think thats saying much.
>>83527273
What about Ms Marvel?
>>83527308
GR never had much apppeal to me to begin wih.
>>83527404
She's about at #3 after Spider-Gwen.
>>83507409
yes and no. ancient european and mesopotamian cultures rolled with different standards. they were pretty tight on gender roles and much like the greek they had radically different gender roles compared to modern cultures. women who where brave enough would try their hand on battle and nobody would mind (at least in defense of their homeland, not so sure about being part of an army where men became desperate about certain things, not to mention women are expected to have children by their mid 20s).
going against gender roles was a big deal on both genders, like >>83507502 said, getting accused of being passive was grounds for dueling to the death (they even had laws for it) and other unmanly or unwomanly things where heavily shunned. (you could probably say medieval norse hated crossdressers)
>>83525828
Other than this page, I actually felt like this issue was the closest they ever were to getting her right.
She was a smash-happy, free love, hard drinking, ball of energy because she of how she was constantly aware of her cancer and how short her lifespan was.
