Why is Grant Morrison's New X-Men run so divisive?
I thought only Marvel editorial hated it because he spurned them and signed an exclusive with DC right after?
>>83414784
Every time I hear it discussed I read the usual praises for a Morrison run, and then the complaints about how it destroys everything claremont did and made mutants into something that makes the X-Men look like savages for being against the cure
>>83414753
Mostly because of his portrrayal of Magneto.
Marvel's been turning him into an antihero for ages, and Morrison made him an unrepentant mass-murderer. That didn't go over well with the fans.
I just wish thatXorn was a real character, and not just Magneto in disgusie
>>83414907
We all do, broheim.
I mean I'm not even mad about the twist (the way they handled it afterwards is another story), but Xorn was a cool character.
>>83414994
As I recall, Cullen Bunn has been teasing Xorn getting involved in his current Uncanny run.
>>83415035
Yeah, he was shown. Killed Dark Rider or two.
>>83414753
Is it? When people do "best of the X-Men list" regardless of who else they include there is always present work of those three writers: Claremont, Morrison, and Whedon
>>83414907
he was a good husbando
>>83414860
>>83414860
>brotherhood of EVIL mutants
>antihero
I dont have an issue with his magneto because it illustrated how magneto and his radical Malcom x ideally is far removed from the current generations armchair activism
>>83414860
Not so much the mass murderer thing. My problem with Magneto in that run was that it turned him into an incompetent drug addict who had to resort to hiring the likes of Beak and his shitty girlfriend to bolster his forces. And then he went out like a chump.
Also, fuck him for creating awful characters like Quinten Quire and Glob Herman who just don't stop showing up in runs.
>>83415713
>awful characters like Quinten Quire and Glob Herman
Overall it is one of the best X-Men runs. The Xorn twist with Magneto going back to his one-sided genocidal persona was a huge mistake, but Morrison did a good job on the mutant culture.
If he kept Xorn as simply Xorn and gave him some motivation to be a villain, it would be a perfect run.
>>83415780
>it would be a perfect run.
Not with all that shitty fill in art
Magneto and Xorn mostly, although Emma and Scott making out over Jean's grave might have also been part of it. The first half is fantastic but it falls apart later on even when taking into account the goals he was trying to accomplish. I wish Xorn had been a real person, his story and power was really great.
>>83415713
>Quinten Quire
Can you really blame that on Morrison?
He killed him off during his run.
Hell, he was an okay character during his run.
Isn't it Aaron that turned QQ into a hot mess?
Typical Morrison 5deep4me trash.
>>83415644
This is true.
>>83415825
From a writing point of view. The art is not Morrison's faultand it wasn't shitty desu x-senpai
>>83415906
It was straightforward as fuck, anon
>>83414907
Even in the story you had characters wishing Xorn was real.
The implication being that if Magneto wasn't such a dick he could BE Xorn.
>>83414860
This. A lot of people went "Not muh Magneto" even though he was an irredeemable shit long before Claremont started making him a tweener.
>>83415713
I actually liked the drug angle. It felt like something he in his ego thought he could control but just fucked him over in the end.
>>83415950
>it wasn't shitty
Yes, it really was. Kordey was rushed and Van Sciver is just garbage in general
>>83416089
Ok, i admit i forgot how poorly drawn Fantomex's arc was.
>>83416089
>>83416196
The Fantomex art is 10/10 compared to the Shi'ar stuff
This panel still gives me night terrors
>>83415713
Hey, I liked Glob. You know who else I liked? No-Girl.
Here's a real question. How come nobody has got around to giving No-Girl a normal body yet? She's been a brain in a jar for 10+ years now, and you'd think Beast or Forge would get off their asses and do something about it.
>>83418906
>JUST
She knows.
>>83414753
Because Magneto
>>83415901
>Isn't it Aaron that turned QQ into a hot mess?
Aaron was a mistake.
It's all been downhill since Decimation, but since Schism the X-books have fallen off a fucking cliff.
>>83414833
You're thinking of Whedon
Was Morrison trying to restore Magneto to his ridiculous Stan Lee/Roy Thomas persona a mistake?
I know it undid decades of character development, but Morrison is hardly alone in that sin with regards to capeshit.
Personally, I liked Magneto when he behaved like pic related.
>>83415644
That is brilliant. I never thought of it like that.
>>83414753
He threw a lot of shit at the wall and some of it didn't stick.
>>83420711
I feel like whenever classic Magneto showed up I just couldn't take him seriously. He acted like a parody villain with how crazy evil he was.
>>83420711
http://www.popimage.com/content/grant20044.html
>What people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist twat. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behaviour, or how anyone else tries to justify it, in the end he's just an old bastard with daft, old ideas based on violence and coercion. I really wanted to make that clear at this time.
>>83414833
Claremont's run is a joke anyways.
It doesn't stand the test of time at all.
>>83421358
>'Filthy' Frank Quitely
kek
>>83414753
Some people wanted things to stay the same.
>>83421758
Cretin.
>>83421888
He's not wrong. Whilst its contribution to the X-Men mythos is immense, most of it has aged rather poorly.
>>83421979
The old narration style and the general wackiness takes some getting used to. But that's not inherently a flaw of the comic.
>>83421979
Mugga, I'm reading it during the Great X-Men storytime going on right now, and it's lightyears ahead of most cape runs I've read.
>>83418906
jeeeeeesus!
I'm actually reading through it now. I'm not a huge fan of this D.A.R.E. sponsored story desu
>>83415713
I fucking love quentin and glob though. I genuinely want the older xmen to step down and the younger ones to step up with quentin at the lead
>>83416196
WHAT?. Fantomex arc had bomb as art by bachallo. I fucking loved how it looked.
>>83421861
The papa franku?
>>83415713
>My problem with Magneto in that run was that it turned him into an incompetent drug addict who had to resort to hiring the likes of Beak and his shitty girlfriend to bolster his forces
I thought it was pretty clear he didn't need the special class, he had them because Magneto has an ideology that he has to spread.
>>83416409
>shows examples of shitty art
>shows flawed but interesting Kordey instead of painfully tacky Van Sciver
>>83421758
I'm curious what you think are good superhero comics.
>>83424686
It also shows him as somebody who needs "disciples". He wants his new brotherhood but the age/generation gap is so vast that they don't understand his beliefs, showing magneto as irrelevant generation of mutants; he's only relevant as a t- shirt slogan that edgy mutants like to wear for shock value.
Also, has he actually been magneto and not xorn, and make this a last Magneto story, it would have been an interesting and ballsy move to make his last story the one where he goes full hitler, becoming the thing he hates the most without being concious of it
Everybody's problem with his run is "NOT MUH". That and the scott/emma affair
Does it seriously bug anyone else that Cassandra started showing up again but Ernst is still Ernst?
>>83419188
read the latest two issues of extraordinary x-men
>>83426143
The fact writers after morrison did not pick up on the fact nova is ernst really rustled my jimmies
>>83427575
I did, actually. You'd think that the Stark AIs would give No-Girl a voice box so that Ernst wouldn't have to tell everyone what she's saying. Oh well, it beats the flying jar by a long shot.
Has Morrison ever been able to write a morally gray character well? He really fucked up Talia in his Batman run too, which was really the only low point.
Won't read the thought because I'm only like fifteen issues in but it's pretty dope I'd say.
The art is too fucking good at certain points, everything feels so solid and satisfying. Nothing too meta has happened yet, it's really great so far.
>>83422105
>old narration style
Shut the hell up, the verbosity is entirely a Claremont quirk for better or worse
>>83427994
I never got the criticism for Talia on his run. She's a character who's spent the last forty years trying to fuck Bruce so she can replace her father and they can save the world together in slightly friendlier way than what her father has planned, it's really not that much of a stretch for her to just live up to her father's name and go full ecological terrorist. Damian being conceived by rape was definitely a mistake though, he should be the symbol of everything good and pure in their relationship twisted into Ra's image before Bruce and the other members of the Bat Family save him.
>>83418906
Fuck, she's like a manic goblin
>>83424864
t. Morrison
Is there a way too squeeze a hypercrisis thread out of new x men?
>>83414753
because its shit and some people like shit for some reason
