>Mach 50 isn't a real thing
what did he mean by this?
I hope they make his costume red in season 3.
Casual here.
Why the fuck is Jay Garrick actually Hunter Zoloman? This was never true in the comics was it?
>>83324853
>Why the fuck is Jay Garrick actually Hunter Zoloman?
He wasn't. Did you watch the show?
>>83324853
Hunter Zolomon was never Jay Garrick, he was just pretending to be when he got bored of being Zoom. Jay Garrick was locked up in Hunter's sex dungeon.
>>83324895
I'm not caught up yet.
>>83324956
well keep watching
Mach represents how fast something is compared to the speed of sound.
At 50 times the speed of sound, you'll be hitting the air so hard, you'll be vaporized like a meteor hitting the atmosphere.
For comparison, the space shuttle hits the atmosphere on reentry at mach 25.
>>83324956
You need to get faster.
>>83324996
speed force negates that sort of friction though so it seems like it's more a matter of using a different unit than mach 50 literally not existing
>>83324956
Spoilers then if you don't mind. I'll black it in case you do:Jay Garrick is the Man in the Iron Mask, Flash of Earth-3 and also John Wesley Shipp. Zoom accidentally found himself in Earth-3 which is how he learned about the multiverse and was ready to exploit it when Thawne's device fucked up at the end of season 1.
>>83324935
So that's why Caitlin was there.Hunter needed a dom.
>>83325159
>speed force negates that sort of friction
Not in the show, though. You'll recall from the final battle thatthe time remnant Barry ran so fast, even with speed force negating some friction, that he ended up vaporized.
>>83324233
My God he looks adorable.
>>83325243
That wasn't from friction.
Is Grant for sexual?I hope so
>>83324311
>they add a red filter
>Flash becomes The Blur
>>83325411
Then I have good news for you anon.
Guys so I'm left behind and didn't caught up. Last time I left during that green arrow flash crossover, didn't like it.
What episode should I continue off? Hearing shit got good.
>>83326129
You watch it in order, you dumbfuck.
>>83324233
Mach 1 is the speed of sound. Each mach after that is one more unit, each unit being the speed of sound. So Mach 50 is the 50x the speed of sound, approx. 38363.5mph. We can't go that fast, but it is most certainly a thing.
>>83326129
Just watch it all.
The Flash is the only good Arrowverse show. Encourage them to make more shows like the Flash. Discourage them from making more shows like Arrow.
I just finished the season finalewhat the fuck was barry thinking? why did he go back and save his mom? what the fuck is going to happen once Zoom from earlier in Earth-2' s timeline starts bringing people over? does he realize he's just fucked over central city?
>>83324233
>Talks about 'absolute hot' like it's a practical thing that could totally exist on earth made by humans.
>Mach 50 isn't real
Fuck off Barry.
>>83326406
uhh well both Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are going faster than that (and probably still accelerating) by some considerable way and so in fact are we - "mach 50" is slower than the speed at which we swing around the sun
however he's technically correct to say it isn't a thing because only people who measure distance in swimming pools and football fields would ever try and use mach 50 as a speed, since it provides no useful frame of reference and is unintentionally oblique
>>83326672
>absolute hot
I'm so glad all these CW shows are on a finite lifetime, that is absolutely fucking appalling
>>83326924
>CW shows
>finite lifetime
Supernatural is still going strong
>>83326602
Flash has the problem of Barry having good intentions but doing the most retardedly stupid things
>>83326602
He's blaming himself for his parents' death and trying to undo every bad thing that he feels has happened because he's the Flash.
And without him, the singularity will never be created, so a breach will never be opened to Earth-2 and Zoom will never find Earth-1 or, even if he does, have no reason to target it since there's no Flash to steal speed from.
>Earth-2 is more like traditional Earth-3 with alignment swap
I had to gut through that whole concept
>>83326924
>"mach 50" is slower than the speed at which we swing around the sun
It's actually about half the speed of earth's orbit. We're going about 67,000mph, which would be about Mach 96.
>>83327195
I always thought Earth 3 swapped everyone's moral alignment. CW E2 had a "flash" who was really zoom, and Snart was the mayor, but non-powered people like E2 Barry and Iris were still good folk.
>>83327195
You've got to remember, the numbering is all relative.
They just happened to discover what's normally Earth-3 first, so it's called Earth-2 instead
>>83327371
In the comics, Crime Syndicate are from Earth-3. However CW probably thought it would throw off the casuals. So they made a decision to make it into Earth-2, and have Earth-3 be Earth-2 Comicbook wise.
>>83326672
>Talks about 'absolute hot' like it's a practical thing that could totally exist on earth made by humans.
It's coming out in 4 days, senpai
>>83327557
hm?
>>83324996
That doesn't make mach 50 nonexistent. Barry said it, as a concept, isn't real, not that he couldn't do it
>>83326129
Just watch it, I'm not gonna claim every episode is great, but is not a bad season and the final episode is awesome.
>>83325243
yea wasnt from friction he just ran so fast he disintegrated
>>83326602
he felt like he lost
he betrays the timeline and destroys it
>>83327308
> Speed in space
In reference to?
IN REFERENCE TO!?
>>83326489
Legends of Tomorrow is underrated. It needs support. They need a pat on the back for trying at least.
>>83324233
>there are infinite universes
>earth 1 is in the center
What did they mean by this?
>>83330037
source?
there are infinite universes but finite earths.
also harrison wells said "you realize this is my earth-2 right?"
>>83330130
>source?
The last episode? I hope it gets cleared up later because zoom's entire "destroy multiverse" plan triggers my autism. Then again so do time remnants
>>83330216
Zoom was basically improvised horribly throughout the series.
Time remnants mostly make sense though. A time remnant is made when a speedster goes back in time, and then does something to prevent him from doing so. In our case, that's the point of those scenes with Zoom and Flash looking at their remnants.
We never saw Flash make his remnant. That's because he decides not to after seeing it, creating a paradox. The remnant comes from a timeline that no longer exists, which is why he attracts the ghosts.
>>83329925
I've started it. I'll admit it seems better than Arrow, but not as good as The Flash.
>>83324233
>>Mach 50 isn't a real thing
Mach 50 isn't a real thing yet.
The fastest any manmade object has ever entered the atmosphere was the Stardust probe in 2006, just edging out the Apollo moon mission capsules.
It hit the atmosphere at 28,000 mph, or roughly Mach 36.
So, really goddamn fast. As a note: The re-entry profile of that Stardust capsule was BRUTAL, it went from Mach36 to subsonic in less than two minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_entry#SLA-561V
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_%28spacecraft%29#Sample_return
>>83324233
>>83328650
>>83326672
>>83327308
>>83332249
Maybe "Mach 50 isn't a thing" just means "it isn't something people say." By the time you get up to "Mach 50" you're probably talking in other units.
>>83332532
It was just Joe being hyperbolic and Barry fucking with him too. Neither line is meant to be taken seriously.
Who is supposed to be faster? CW Barry or Tomari Shinnosuke?
Pleb who don't read comic here, is Jay faster than Barry?
I followed Flash S1 and S2 and I had seen Flashpoint some time before Flash S1 started airing, but that's pretty much all I saw about Flash.
>>83333241
Jay is not faster than Barry.
No one is faster than Barry. Barry spent 23 years out running death.
>>83333506
Jay is just the original Flash?
>>83333625
Why does the number start with "0,"
>>83333750
Europeans
>>83333983
But the rest are periods
>>83333993
Still. "Europeans." Come on, anon.
>>83332755
It'll probably be taken seriously in season 3. Flash's feats are beyond stupid
>>83332532
Except Mach 50 still isn't fast enough to reach relativistic speeds.
For reference 1% of lightspeed is Mach 8,000.
>>83326489
>Flash
>Good
>>83333632
Pretty much.
>>83325243
He became part of the speed force?
>>83333993
Dumbass. Yurocucks swap periods and commas in numbers. So
>a million and one third
USA: 1,000,000.333
EUR: 1.000.000,333
>>83325199
>earth 3
>"b...but CW shows are totally the most true to the comics"
>meanwhile Gotham exists
>>83338785
what about that isnt true to no comics? all they did was switch around the pre-crisis planet numbering
>>83326924
>both Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 are going faster than that
I mean, velocity is relative (t. Einstein), so talking about the velocity of bodies/spacecraft in absolute terms is a bit silly. Similarly, the earth is moving at greater than mach 50 (much greater) relative to any one of billions of objects in the galaxy.
do we have an idea of who next season's villain is going to be?
>>83327371
Yeah that was weird. Deadshot, Singh, and to some extent Joe all got flipped too, but Barry and Iris were still nice people. Maybe that means they're actually evil on Earth-1?
>>83340280
Aside from Grant saying it's not going to be a metahuman, nope.
>>83340280
cicada
>>83340280
Dr. Manhattan. Already was used in a movie years ago so he can't be embargoed for another movie.
>>83330405
>Zoom was basically improvised horribly throughout the series.
Really? I passively watched the threads on /co/ as the show ran cus I didn't have time to watch and you guys made it seem this way. Maybe it's part in knowing all the spoilers, but now I've had time to watch it and nothing really feels out of left field.
You can even see "Jay" somewhat distracted when they're talking about "The Turtle", as if it worries him, and when Caitlyn asks what's wrong he comes up with some BS about "I just can't stand not being able to help people".
As soon as they're trying to lure Zoom out he says it's dangerous and fucks off, just enough for Zoom to appear for the first time.
Even the Remnants come in early, from the Reverse-Flash episode.
The only thing that's felt off is Harrison mentioning how everyone on Earth-2 would know Hunter Zolomon at a glance....yet no one on Earth-2 noticed Jay Garrick was him. And what's worse is this comment is made a few episodes AFTER we learn Jay is hunter.
>>83340866
>It doesn't matter if it was me or not Barry.
Can someone tell me if these characters get killed off/written out at some point?
I couldn't make it past episode 3 because every scene where these two chucklefucks spout technobabble and crack unfunny jokes makes me want to spoon my own eyes out.
>>83340280
It'sBarry
>>83340280
Well they did Eobard Thawne for S1, and they did Hunter Zoloman for S2....So S3 would be the third Reverse-Flash, Daniel West, who could now exist in this new timeline Barry's created.
>>83340912
>everyone on Earth-2 would know Hunter Zolomon at a glance
Yeah, when he was rocking the Manson beard, you'd be surprised what a shave can do when it comes to making someone unrecognizable.
>>83340945
Cisco is the fourth best character on the show, nigger.
>>83340995
In retrospect the moustache was a good choice.
>>83340816
>not going to be a metahuman
I really like this trope, desu. Like, I like the idea of a non-powered villain still being a threat to a superpowered hero. It's especially cool if the villain isn't rich, like Lex, but is a threat because he's just super clever, uses traps, or is very skilled martially.
>>83338626
Not true for the UK at least. We don't even really use commas anymore, its annoying when my lecturer uses a period, makes the number 345.234 look 1000 times bigger than it actually is
>>83338785
Are you Implying "Gotham" is true to the comics
>>83340945
>I want my flash to be edgy and DAAAAARK and work alone because he's DAAAARK
>>83341907
Flash is an inherently funny character.
Those two characters are so unfunny it induces suicide.
Attempt at comedy =/= Successful comedy.
>>83341103
Yeah, down southern Europe we use spaces and commas:
1 000 000,00 is a million.
Also, 1 000 000 000,00 is a thousand million. 1 000 000 000 000,00 is a billion.
Get your shit together, English speakers.
>>83341929
personal opinion, anon. I like them. And cisco is a fun way to actually give the rogues their names
>>83341986
A thousand million and a billion are the same thing in English.
>>83341986
>Also, 1 000 000 000,00 is a thousand million. 1 000 000 000 000,00 is a billion.
>Get your shit together, English speakers.
But that's fucking wrong.
>>83341986
>>83342309
>>83342384
It's a matter of short or long scale:
In English, and ONLY in English, you go by powers of 1000 (short scale):
1 0000 = one
1 0001 = one thousand
1 0002 = one million
1 0003 = one billion
1 0004 = one trillion
Notice how the prefixes do not match the powers of the base (1 000)
Everyone else does it with millions instead (aka the long scale):
1 000 0000 = one
1 000 0001 = one million
1 000 0002 = one billion
1 000 0003 = one trillion
And so on. Notice how the prefixes match the powers of the base, which makes it superior.
It's mildly infuriating to convert in translations.
>>83342502
oh look, it deformated the exponentials.
I meant:
It's a matter of short or long scale:
In English, and ONLY in English, you go by powers of 1000 (short scale):
1 000^0 = one
1 000^1 = one thousand
1 000^2 = one million
1 000^3 = one billion
1 000^4 = one trillion
Notice how the prefixes do not match the powers of the base (1 000)
Everyone else does it with millions instead (aka the long scale):
1 000 000^0 = one
1 000 000^1 = one million
1 000 000^2 = one billion
1 000 000^3 = one trillion
And so on. Notice how the prefixes match the powers of the base, which makes it superior.
It's mildly infuriating to convert in translations.
>>83324233
True fact: Nothing in the universe can actually go at mach 50. Once you get past mach 49, you just skip straight to mach 51, with no increments in-between.
If you don't believe me, try going at mach 50 and see for yourself.
>>83342672
Kek
>>83342672
>try going at mach 50 and see for yourself.
>>83342538
I mean, you still translated wrong. Anyway, your system is infuriating too, because you have to insert a -iard, after every other power of 1000 (or at least you do in German, maybe not where you are), which is more confusing. If you just say 1000 million then it's fine, but not much more simple than the English system.
>>83338785
They switched around E2 and 3 to fuck with fans.
>>83324233
>Mach 50
I'm surprised it wasn't mach 52
>>83342872
yeah we don't use -iard.
what did I mis-translate, though?
>>83343062
Well, you described a trillion as a billion. It may be stupid, but it was still a legitimate mistake.
>>83343181
Oh, in my original post? I was being facetious and forcing the direct work translation upon you all.
>>83327100
But won't he be the time rremnant in that new timeline where Nora never died and he never became the flash? So there'll be two Barrys, one the Flash and one not.
>>83331000
Legends of Tomorrow's season finale had mi giggling like a schoolgirl.
>>83341002
Cisco is easily top 3. More often than not he's the best thing about an episode.
Caitlin is impossible to hate.
>>83343958
Caitlin is too depressed to hate. I feel like I'm waiting for the episode where she finally hangs herself in STAR Labs.
>>83324233
>implying an object in space can't move to what would correspond to mach 50
>>83343958
Caitlin's actress is bad enough that I can't even tell if I like the character because her scenes are so painful.
>>83326602
>>83329429
Wrong.
Barry didn't save his mom in season 1 because he was afraid. Afraid of sacrificing himself and his memories. Afraid that maybe life isn't better despite his mom and dad and wells and a shitload of lives being saved. Afraid that messing with time in the same way that Thawne did wouldn't work out. Afraid that maybe he couldn't even beat Thawne.
By the end of season 2 he's become the fastest speedster in the multiverse, saves the entire multiverse, finishes his arc with Iris, and gains the courage and selflessness to right history at his own expense.
A reminder: Flashpoint has nothing to do with Nora's life or death. It has to do with time-travelling the wrong way.
We also know for a fact that he still becomes the flash in the prime timeline, and that he marries Iris in it.
Flash season 2 finale was a perfect series finale and if you disagree you're an idiot.
>>83341907
Barry doesn't do anything but brood and fight. Any searching or thinking about criminals is done by a Wells, two lab techs, and their citywide surveillance system provided by strongest Felicity.
>>83329925
>>83331000
>>83343939
Legends of Tomorrow is one of the biggest train wrecks I've ever seen. None of the writers communicated with each other, whoever was in charge of continuity/editing didn't do their job at all, and the blatant errors and idiot balls start piling up by the third episode and NEVER STOP COMING
Off the top of my head:
-Rip, on several occasions, kills Savage and then just leaves his body to wake up later instead of taking him onto the ship.
-Everyone is so focused on using the hawks to kill him that they ignore non-lethal solutions. Chuck his ass into space, Cars-style.
-Hawkman gets stabbed and everyone gets weepy and goes "we have to go on without him!" He fucking reincarnates and you have a TIME MACHINE. Go pick up the next incarnation you stupid fucks. Shit, why stop there? Go pick up EVERY incarnation! Beat the shit out of Savage with an army of them!
-The vanishing point is a bubble at the end of time. The crew is in the vanishing point and they time jump. The leader of the time masters then asks "Where did they go!? The future!?"
-The finale involves Savage trying to blow up three meteors at three different points in time. The team then splits up to "fight all three simultaneously" so that "he won't have a chance to react." Except it's not simultaneous, the meteors are decades apart, he'll have tons of time to figure out what's going on after he's stopped the first time.
-What the bullshit device shows is the future, and it's immutable! Ignore that there's not supposed to be a future in the vanishing point and ignore that it turns out to somehow be wrong! Something something time free will!
>>83344259
yeah it was mostly bad story-wise but the characters interactions were fun enough to make it worth watching, this was obvious from the first episode
it should have just been Time Squad shit instead of a long running plot
>>83343958
I felt bad about not liking her character after everyone she loves ends up dying.
>>83344259
Season Finale made up for all that. It was an incredibly enjoyable episode.
The problem with the show is that there's 22 episodes, 15 of which are useless filler. If they managed the season the way Daredevil or most UK shows do, they'd have a fantastic 10-episodes show instead of a below average 22-episodes one.
>>83345195
There were only 16 episodes and the filler was the best part. You are just making excuses for their incompetence.
>>83326924
>I'm so glad all these CW shows are on a finite lifetime
They're all going to get, at minimum, 10 seasons. Be prepared for another 6 years before the Arrowverse has any signs of slowing down.
>>83345195
I don't watch arrow or know anything about DC but is the character that woman plays supposed to look tired and "I don't give a fuck" all the time or is it the actress phoning it in.
>>83333506
Wally exceeded Barry after discovering the speed force and getting past his mental block.
>>83344259
>-Rip, on several occasions, kills Savage and then just leaves his body to wake up later instead of taking him onto the ship.
Huh, I just assumed in this continuity he less "wakes up" with his body healed, and more just reappears somewhere on earth randomly the same way the hawks reincarnate.
I mean yeah, it's shit but yeah.
Also on solving the issue:
Can someone explain to me why the dude had to take with him the guys who are the least important to history?
It's pretty clearly hinted that the heavy hitters were a thing.
How many Superman level entities could he just have shown up on the doorstep of, said "Hey, this is a bit confusing, but Judgement Day's going to happen unless you fuck this dude up" and take care of Savage in a few minutes.
>No reckless fucking around in the timeline with a bunch of wild cannons
>Less of a threat of the time police shooting your ass down, because they don't want to fuck the timeline over by killing a VIP on board
>>83325411
i'd appreciate if he toned himself more, though. but since the show doesn't require him to, and he already has a gf, no complain
>>83343939
i thought his costume's underwhelming, but after thinking, it's understandable that they want the excitement rises from what he says and not what he wears. though the dim red stripes on the sleeves should give a clue
>>83345743
i-is that morning wood?
>>83345195
>Season Finale made up for all that
How so? One of those is directly ripped from the finale, whose main showdown was nonsensical and boring.
>>83345742
>Can someone explain to me why the dude had to take with him the guys who are the least important to history?
They literally could not think of an actual reason so they pretended it was because they have no impact on history (despite later showing that their being missing did indeed have an appreciable impact)
It's just another failing node in a web of total bullshit they use to prop up the events of the series. None of it makes sense on even a cursory inspection.
>>83326602
>what the fuck is going to happen once Zoom from earlier in Earth-2' s timeline starts bringing people over?
We're back to the "original" timeline that was never seen on the show where both of Barry's parents lived and he became the Flash in 2020 instead of 2014. Either it never became a problem or someone else took care of it.
Do you think S3 will bring in Hot Pursuit and/or the Renegades?
>>83329809
any given starting point, dummy
>>83326966
>>83345380
Supernatural has a huge fan cult. Supernatural can sell bikinis at Hot Topic. Flash, Arrow and all the rest of the CW superheroes can barely sell a couple of tshirts and some bobblehead dolls, which tends to imply that Supernatural is for mature individuals who haven't been teenagers for a long time, go outside, and have real lives, which would tend to gel with what we know about the ratings and the length of time it's been going.
That's just comparing noted whorehouse of pop culture Hot Topic's ranges, not even the other retailers available. It's not even in the same league. In order to get in the same league, any one of these shows needs to have a hard corps of fans who will buy any old shit with Arra written on it, but that doesn't seem likely - in recent days headliners from both Flash and Arrow's cast have felt the need to speak out about the direction WB is taking with superheroes as a whole, which tends to imply they feel there's nothing left to lose by doing so. It's not like headlining is a form of tenure; these shows are hardly doing well enough for that.
>>83340751
>it was you, Barry
>>83344059
>Flash season 2 finale was a perfect series finale and if you disagree you're an idiot.
You're an idiot if you think Flash is even a mediocre show. It's complete trash.
