I mean you’ve got Fixer suddenly out of the timeloop, Sin back to looking normal, Bullseye back and able-bodied, Ringmaster not blind, Montana and Ox living again.. Is there an explanation, is it lazy writing or is Secret Wars the Marvel version of the Speed Force. Ain’t gotta explain shit.
>>83322256
It's almost as if Marvel doesn't care about continuity anymore.
Thunderbolts writer said Fixer was going to be explained
>>83322256
Bendis brought back Doc Samson without any explanation, even though he was still dead after Secret Wars was over.
>Secret Wars the Marvel version of the Speed Force
Nah, Secret Wars is the Superboy Prime Punch
>>83322256
Oh look, Cable's mom is there. Did he say hello?
>>83322256
I see Egghead, and what looks to be the Hellfire Club sitting in the back corner
As well as Morlun at a craps table with the Shadow King.
Possibly Count Nefaria with his back turned?
Might have to check out UA
>>83322256
Bullseye got fixed in the Electra ongoing by an Assassins Guild who he of course double crosses.
>>83322256
It's just Lazy writing, they've been slipping it in for years.
>>83322447
Literally none of them have lines though.
>>83322447
Egghead was explained in Ant-Man Annual
>>83322357
As a cameo or in a decent role. I know he said he was going to bring Happy Hogan back in Iron Man, but I don't know if he did because I'm not paying for his garbage.
>>83322491
It's a trope but I like the idea of all these villains frequenting the same casino
It's not like I'm gonna buy the issue
Probably.
Rhino is supposed to be dead, but oh hey. There he is in a bar in Europe. Yup.
There's also Jester popping up from the dead just to get whacked in Civil War II
>>83322382
Not even, it didn't change shit except for the last hour or so of the final incursion and adding Miles's friends and family to 616 along with the Maker and do 8 month timeskip afterwards.
If anything it's Infinite Crisis and One Year Later.
>>83322596
That was a different Jester, not the one that died in the original Civil War.
>>83322590
>Rhino is supposed to be dead, but oh hey. There he is in a bar in Europe. Yup.
They never found his body, and did you even read the issue where they revealed he was alive?
>>83322256
Who is this dick destroyer?
>>83322608
>adding Miles's friends and family to 616
But what the hell happened to their 616 counterparts? And how do they remember their lives being shaped without the whole Peter Parker death thing. DESU instead of bringing Miles to 616, they should have brought Sam and Kamala to the Ultimate Universe. So the SJW oriented characters can be together and not infect 616.
>>83322256
Secret Wars, anon. They all came back during the 8 month timeskip after Secret Wars. Think of it like this, at a 4:1 scale, that timeskip was about 3 years worth of comic runs. How many supervillains get revived via story arcs in 3 years worth of comics? It's just that this time, all those arcs happened off-panel.
>>83322684
Probably Thundra
>>83322533
>>83322740
>>83322645
But Peter met him and his girlfriend in the afterlife.
>>83322695
kill yourself.
>>83322740
What? I thought he was a skeleton.
>>83322954
>fan of Muslim social justice character and multiculturalism from Bendis and Loeb tells an infidel to kill themselves
Why am I not surprised?
>>83322695
>>83323181
congrats faggot you got some replies. You just had to bring in your autistic obsession with SJWs into this unrelated thread. Remember to take a shower today, virgin.
>>83322533
>>83322357
>>83322740
>>83322757
Could just say he survived Chaos War. Anyway, weren't Swordsman and Yellowjacket supposed to have survived it? Like really survived it?
>>83323288
>Could just say he survived Chaos War.
He was still dead just a few months ago. Deadpool dug up his grave recently to talk to his corpse.
>>83323338
Okay. Now it's weird.
>>83323381
Yeah, he's actually one of the only characters who you can't say "came back thanks to Secret Wars" because he was confirmed still dead during Deadpool's post-Secret Wars series.
>>83323352
Trolling usually works better with the bare minimum of subtlety. But I guess that must seem too close to actual effort for you. So this is the last (You) that I'll be giving you. You'll need to work a little harder if you want to actually bait people. Have fun however you can, virgin.
>>83323288
Yeah, Van Lente explicitly brought them back to life but Brevoort immediately shat on that and undid it via editorial fiat AFTER it was already published. Take this bit from Swordsman's Comicvine page:
>Despite both Swordsman and Yellowjacket being left alive following the event, much like Alpha Flight were who went on to appear in their own ongoing, neither of the two Avengers have been seen since. Editor Tom Brevoort insists they both returned to their death because they "serve no purpose alive" and that readers are "being stupid and misreading into things" by claiming they by rights are still alive.
The "serve no purpose alive" thing is especially funny because Yellowjacket's entire character in that mini was that she was horribly depressed when she learned that nobody even realized she had been murdered because that showed how little she actually mattered. And I mean it's not like there's a great follow up you can do with her making the most of her second chance to try and make an impact so she won't be forgotten again or anything.
Brevoort pulled the same shit with Namorita after DnA brought her back in Nova. Managed to find a copy/quote of the Formspring post regarding it and Brevoort again comes off as dickishly dismissive of what his writers did. When Yost's New Warriors series was announced, someone asked him about Namorita being alive again (DnA brought the pre-Kymaera/blue version back through a time rift or something). Brevoort responded as such:
>I honestly kind of hope not, I thought that bringing back an alternate-whatever Namorita in that manner was a contrivance, especially given that there wasn’t any real plan for her, and did nothing but devalue her death. So I’m content to think that she went back to her alternate-whatchamacallit or faded away or got hit by a bus or whatever. Or she never got back to Earth in the first place.
>>83325353
Gonna samefag but as a follow up, him deriding bringing Namorita back as "cheapening her death" is pretty funny considering what Whedon did in bringing back Colossus and couldn't even think of a competent reason beyond "he was only dead by your standards" which completely shits all over Colossus' death and the subsequent issue where Kitty goes back to spread his ashes which were really fucking good stories. This was also right in the middle of Quesada's "dead is dead" policy too.
Of course it's Marvel so if you're a name writer you can do whatever the fuck you want with no pesky editors to stop you. If Bendis decided he wanted to bring Namorita back and claim that she never actually died in Stamford he'd do it and he wouldn't be told "no".
A bunch of villains who were supposed to be dead reappeared in Standoff.
Including Coldheart, one of the people who died in the explosion at the beginning of the first Civil War.
>>83322608
yeah like i said Prime punch
Cant see the pic becsuse I am in a bus with a shitty cell phone but iirc Harry Leland of the Hellfire Club is in that picture and he has been dead since the 80s, except for when he was resurrected by Selene in the Necrosha event.
I thought the canon explanation for this was that Reed and his family make mistakes when recreating the world.
>>83325353
I hate him so much.
>>83327739
>I thought the canon explanation for this was that Reed and his family make mistakes when recreating the world.
That's the in-universe excuse. The real-life excuse is shitty editorial.
>>83322387
I suspect that's Selene with a colorist error. Just based on the straight hair.
>>83330294
also, Donald Pierce is there and he is a mutant hating cyborg who wouldnt be playing with the muties of the hellfire club (he was a member only to infiltrate them)
and he is also dead. or was.
I think this whole page may be non canon
>>83322357
Dr Strange and Cyclops were dead in Secret Wars too, but both came back (even though we didn't see any Cyclops and it was revealed he was killed by Inhumans).
>>83322590
Yeah, but that's explained through whatever's happening that's bringing people back like Curt Connors' wife and son. I hope they stay. Killing them off again would be a huge copout.
>>83322256
I though Sabretooth was supposed to be a good guy now.
>>83333840
Do the X-Men have any bad guys left?
>Laurel dies
>Darhk's wife slanders the superhero name
>reveal her identity and forfeit all of her cases and make it that much easier to guess who you are
>>83334181
No. That's why they fight themselves.
>>83325229
Nice to know that Bullseye is still a loser that bullies the weak.
>>83330330
The long hair says Selene, but the bun says Madelyne.
>>83335563
For you.
But for me after pitch perfect or whatever it was called true fans know the truth. He is a pure and true man.
>>83335762
What's the context of that pic?
>>83322329
You mean Parker? Isn't he at DC now?
>>83322256
The artist probably just drew whoever and Marvel editors were busy outlining the next big event or something and couldn't be asked to do their job. I wouldn't take this page too seriously.
>>83330330
Maddie has been alive since Wood's all-female run on Adjectiveless X-Men years ago.
I hope she actually is in Bunn's Hellfire club. There's a lot you could do with her now.
>>83336317
Booster and Blue Beetle were being gay again
>>83322256
>is it lazy writing
Yes.
>>83322256
Who's the guy with the Captain Hook hand with a fork on it?
>>83322256
>is it lazy writing
And editing. This is Marvel after all...
>>83337515
Nah, Jim Zub.
Wayward and the Samurai Jack comic.
>>83334181
Bunn has teased a new/old Hellfire club. We'll see if it's consistent with this page.
>>83338778
Good. I hate Aaron's Hellfire Brats.
>>83325353
I like how he only complains after it's already been in the comics.
You'd think he would sort of stick with preventing things from getting into them. Instead he secretly forces his head canon on writers without readers actually knowing and then pretends like it should be common knowledge.
And then there's the fact that none of these characters meant anything to more than 5 people and those 5 people usually would like their character to be alive.
Autism is what this is.
>>83338791
Well Shaw is in charge again. That much we know.
Some people suspect Magneto to secretly be White King, but nothing is revealed yet.
>>83338815
Agreed. What's so wrong about keeping them alive?
>>83338844
How did Shaw get his memories back?
>>83338844
Emma should rejoin the club. She's much better as a villain anyway. Sabretooth should be a villain again too. Making him a good guy and blonde Wolverine is just messed up.
>>83333840
Sabretooth gets cloned a lot iirc, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody pulled a clone out of storage to deal with Creed
But it's more than likely just laziness
>>83338885
Did nobody read that Cyclops-school Uncanny X-Men run?
Emma broke up with Scott in the last issues and when he asked she said she was going to go back to the Hellfire Club.
And I agree: Sabretooth was epic more fun to read as a sociopath. But let his one try at redemption storyarc play out. You know they'll want to write him as fun again someday.
>>83339020
>Did nobody read that Cyclops-school Uncanny X-Men run?
No. I dropped it when Bendis took over.
>>83339065
- Facepalm time. -
It was always a Bendis book. Nobody else wrote for it.
( Just out of curiosity: what before this post was your fave "not-Bendis" written story there? )
>>83339127
I know. I should have said when Bendis took over the X-books. I know that volume was always him.
>>83322256
They sometimes go through the explaination, sometimes it's ignored and overlooked, sometimes they figure nobody will care why or how, and sometimes the mechanics of a villian's resurrection is a storyline all on it's own.
But there can't ONLY be "superhero deaths", for God's sake, even Bucky came back!
If villians aren't given the same opportunity then there's going to be a real lack in epic superhero conflicts.
They aren't making compelling villians like they used to. Literally.
I think what I hate more than anything is when dead character is brought back and it's completely forgotten.
>>83339371
Do you mean when they're brought back to life and then nothing is done storywise with that or them ever, as though there's no point in bringing them back at all?
Or do you mean when they're alive again and nobody raises an eyebrow despite having seen the guy explode infront of them or something?
Because your post can be read either way and I find both of those things annoying myself.
>>83339477
I mean when they're specifically brought back and the next writer forgets or ignores it and they're dead again. Sort of like the opposite of Bendis with Samson.
>>83322256
>implying marvel has villains in the first place
Ell oh ell
>>83322256
>is Secret Wars the Marvel version of the Speed Force. Ain’t gotta explain shit.
This.
The whole timeskip was just a smoke screen to retcon whatever they wanted without having to put any effort in it.
Pretty blatant.
>>83339536
Oh, that's just writer-specific character favoritism, it's really bad when they just bring a character back to bring them back: they know the next writer isn't going to run with it and come up with a story to make that worthwhile, but they do it anyway because they figure they don't have anything to lose when they're leaving the book.
All writers have their own agendas, nobody is going to tank the story ideas they had worked out already to deal with some last minute curveball, so those new writers almost always drop these into the void.
To make it work a writer needs to give the readers a story that validates that resurrection, and to do that properly the whole run needs to be built around that arc.
Not laying the groundwork and doing the followthrough is just lazy hack writing by someone who has shown that they don't care about the book.
>>83339536
>>83339725
I think I hate it more when they bring a character back just to kill them again. In single instances like with Remender and in large instances like Chaos War, Necrosha, and Blackest Night. I fear Dead No More is the same way. It feels like some of these writer have god complexes where they want to feel powerful, so they prove it by killing off a beloved character that's older than them. Or bring one back only to kill them again.
>>83339725
I guess Magik just got lucky that they gave her a mini and then New Mutants got a new book.
>>83339900
I want more Elixyr turning up in random books only to get killed again.
>>83339953
You probably missed your thread. You are also an idiot.
>>83322256
During Standoff, both Blood Brothers were suddenly alive with no explanation.
It's especially weird since in Black Vortex, the surviving brother was enhanced by the BV with cosmic powers and became Brother Blood.
What was the point of doing that if the next writer ignores it, have him lose the powers with no explanation and bring back the other brother with no explanation?
>>83322684
Keeping up with the dead villain theme, Doc Octopus's girlfriend Stunner without her image inducer?
>>83322554
Its almost like comics are a perpetual loop of never ending fucking bullshit
You're an adult. Grow up or get over it.
>>83341152
Why are you here then?
>>83341181
Because I got over needing comics to explain the never ending bullshit they pull with "canon"
>>83338746
Marvel really needs to clean house.
>>83322757
I would "doc" samson her ass
>>83343396
sexist pig
>>83322306
Thanks Bendis!
>>83322357
Arcade just showed back up again, despite being nothing but a fine red mist after his last appearance.
>>83322516
His explanation was "I got better". Came back just right before Secret Wars/Doomworld, too, as if they specifically didn't want to attribute it to that.
>>83340894
Who's the guy standing behind Loki and Voldy?
>>83322684
Marvel has a whole group of muscle women, pick one.
Except Poundcakes, she's into furries.
>>83322740
>>83322757
Maybe it's not Doc Samson.
I don't know, I'm not reading it.
>>83344337
Dr. Strange
>>83323338
that's explains it!
Doc's corpse absorbed the natural gamma radiation present in the air and regenerated from it!
>>83344634
Hello PAD
>>83344723
BRB, going to put it in the Spider-man 2099 issue I'm writing.
