>mfw Bryan Singer started the idea of Xavier having an actual school
>mfw Grant Morrison made it canon in his run
>mfw Marlel hates Morrison's run and Singer's novies
The X-Men films are better than the Comics.
>>83308696
Nice try, shitlord. Singer's movies are only useful for wiping your ass with it or throwing it into the trash.
>>83308740
>says singer's movies
>describes MCU
what the h*ck
Yea Morrison absolutely loved the first Singer movie. I'm pretty sure he like it more than any X-Men comic. He took the school aspect and the black leather costumes.
>>83308696
>Bryan Singer started the idea of Xavier having an actual school
Wait, seriously?
I thought it had always been a school.
>>83308763
Guessing this was editorial mandate at the time to synergize with the movie.
>>83308792
Wasn't it an institute?
>>83308792
There had always been a school, OP is just telling lies.
>>83308792
"School" can mean a variety of things (i.e. driving school). Generally, the Xavier school was for training young mutants how to use their powers.
Think like Hogwarts from Harry Potter. The kids coming out of there are fucked in anything but a limited set of specialized wizard professions, and are unprepared for anything else. The Xavier school used to be similar in that regard, that it only prepared the X-men for life as X-men.
>>83308696
I'm so sad this is effective bait, particularly on this board.
It was 'loosely' a school when the O5 were around. The idea was basically a cover afterwards.
There was no school or actual students, just X-Men doing X-Men shit.
Morrison/Singer added the full school idea with a bunch of shitty kids running around.
>>83308696
>phoneposter opinions
>>83308803
It's not. Marvel really wasn't thinking that way at the time, it became the House of Monthly Movie Ads after Iron Man.
You can read Morrison's original pitch and notes in one of the trades. He saw the X-Men movie and it blew him away and he saw how popular it was so he pitched a low continuity series incorporating elements from the movie to bring in new readers (and because he never read X-Men and liked the movie better). You have to remember Morrison was the reboot king in the 90's after Animal Man, Doom Patrol, etc.
>>83308757
But only X2 and DOFP are decent.
Every other X-Men movie has been either mediocre or some of the worst capeshit ever made.
>>83308870
Dude, those people came out pilots and mechanics out of the school.
It was a school, they were taught school shit, but it was created so that they could be safe from others and learn how to use their powers to help as well.
They were actually so easygoing about the power training thing, many people became X-men without proper control.
Main reason for the school is safety (yeah, I know) then it's the consolidated power out on the right side of the fight. But shit, people got an education, anon.
>>83308906
Based Morrison.
>>83308870
Yep. Sure, it had people who taught classes (BUT WHERE ARE THEIR DEGREES AND DIPLOMAS?????) but it was always training to be technicolor mutant militia, not to become banker or architect.
>>83308849
A school without students and adult neets leeching Prof X money
>>83308920
>b-b-but it sucks
haters gonna shill
>>83308990
>haters
Are you implying this franchise has fans?
>>83308906
Too bad that he dun goofed
>>83308948
Fuck off
>>83309002
Well, it sort of does?
They might not be the hottest brand new thing, but they have dedicated fanbase, unlike other properties.
Dumb niggas like Rogue and Gambit weren't there for education, lets be real. It was more about power control.
2000+ movies and Morrison brought the "X-Men are teachers and there are tons of students" idea. And IMO it kinda fucked the franchise in the long run.
>>83309002
I fucking love these movies. Singer has yet to disappoint me.
>>83309032
Yup, it did. And HoM was the last nail in the coffin
>>83309032
Gambit was there only because he wanted to plow Rogue, right?
>>83309065
Obviously, plus he had eyes on some gold in the mansion
>>83309065
There wasn't even a school, then.
Xavier was gone for a good chunk of the late 80s and they weren't in the mansion either. They all split and Gambit met Storm and thats how he joined.
THEN they found Xavier, reunited with the O5 who were X-factor, and then decided to run 14 X-Men back at the Mansion in 2 teams. No 'school' whatsoever. The only actual school then was what Emma Frost was running with Gen X.
To be honest that setup made more sense.
>>83308970
uhhh the X-Men were mostly supposed to be minors for a long time
and it was a good enough school for Kitty to be able to use her exam results to go to university and then on to her masters in engineering; even in 1997 she was old enough to work for 616-SHIELD as an agent in her own right (though this was around the time her questionable relationship with Pete Wisdom came up, since she's supposedly in her late 20s in modern stories she was probably a college graduate then)
which implies the standard of teaching was relatively high, which is the only actual measure of a school - the number of students is immaterial as long as it's 0<
>>83308906
>reboot king
I know Millar has had a rare show of humility and declared his work on 2000AD to be derivative crap, but has Morrison accepted that as well?
Zenith was only kind of good if you ignore Phase 3 onwards
>>83309155
Dude, how old is Wolverine? Did he have any job?
Same with the rest. NEETS fucking neets, all of them.Which is why I love them
>>83309155
Morrison is only good if you are new into comics
>>83308696
> has never read New Mutants
>>83309213
There is difference between having 8 mutants that will replace the X-Men (they didn't), and have hundreds of mutants that will never be X-Men
It was a high school in the original run up to the point that the original team graduated.
>>83309202
Terrible opinion.
Something like Flex Mentallo is indecipherable to a new reader.
>>83308841
Xavier's School For Gifted Youngsters
Always has been, all the way back to the 60's.
BUT it was only ever shown to have a small number of X-Men staying there and there weren't classroom scenes or anything like that. It was just a front for the X-Men and an explanation for why all these unrelated co-ed teenagers were living in a mansion with an old man, with only rare instances of characters mentioning lessons or homework. It was stated that they were getting an education in addition to training on how to control their powers, but it wasn't really emphasized or shown.
>>83308696
There was the whole rivalry between Emma and Xavier about pitching their schools to mutants in order to recruit them. Maybe the Hellions were shown more as a school but they were both clearly schools
>>83309255
Actually it is, it's flashy and weird for weird sake, it's exactly what hipsters and noobs like, because it makes them feel superior to others.
When you grow up, and mature, you start to appreciate the seemingly "boring" classics like Starlin, Englehart, Gerber, Thomas, O'Neill
>>83309238
Yea and that purpose has been around for decades. It's a real school for mutants to study safely without fear.
>>83309303
ok bud
>>83309238
This.
The idea that the 'students' in the mansion were eventually going to be X-men or something similar made sense, and they were combat trained.
Billy James with the power to kick rocks learning algebra and nothing else is fucking pointless, AND dangerous considering the X-Men attract so much danger. And it doesn't seem like they ever graduate or leave, so you just have dead weight everywhere.
Its not a safe haven because they are arguable worse off, and it completely ruins the point. They don't ever have to live in the world.
It would make more sense if Xavier's was some kind of foster home for runaway mutants and/or research institution for all things mutant instead of an educational institute that doesn't do anything except train a not-so-covert mutant response team.
>>83308954
Actually they've had a few graduating classes over the years and its an credited private school. Students who while mutants neither want nor have powers fit for combat.
>>83309377
>Students who while mutants neither want nor have powers fit for combat.
It would make much more sense for another school to have this purpose. Literally having the home and base for the X-Men do it is counterproductive.
But that wouldn't make an interesting book, I suppose, so cram it all in one.
>>83309314
To study what? How to kill flatscans?Sentinels were right
>>83308792
I imagined it more of a camp where special people are rounded up
>>83309429
That's Hitlerclops' way, Storm's school is all for peaceful coexistence and hugging under rainbows.
>>83308954
The O5 mostly graduated with the education necessary to go to college and get real jobs, with the exception of Scott who never figured out how to get a life, most of them originally didn't want to stay X-Men for the rest of their lives, they just kept getting dragged back into it.
That's the whole problem with the way Marvel has treated the Mutants corner of the universe ever since Decimation. They've just completely abandoned any illusion of being a metaphor for civil rights and being able to integrate and get social acceptance, now it's always with the "last of a dying separate species" bullshit
Remember when Magneto was the bad guy for thinking mutants having an island all to themselves like Genosha or Asteroid M was the only solution?
>>83309420
We send our IRL tards to IRL schools though
>>83309420
Base is in bottom restricted area well below ground and to detection (to varying degrees of usefulness depending on the comic story)
>>83309460
Sounds cool, I'm a mutant, where are they located, and how do I get there?
>>83309467
What if it's a meta commentary, like in, "you cannot ever achieve anything in your life".
That would be bretty depp
>>83309467
Genosha seemed to work quite well until Magneto gets all Hitlery and it goes to shit.
>>83309528
Genosha seemed to work quite well, until Morrison decided to nuke it.
>>83309484
But the X-Men are rather public, as is Xavier's affiliation with them. Not many secret identities there either.
So naturally the fucking "Xavier school" is the first place the enemies will go, and its happened a million times over the past years.
Which is why teens with non combative powers being there is all kinds of stupid.
>>83309558
Actually, your average strawman marvel citizen thought that it was a "special" school for "special" people, if you know what I mean. Frankly, I stopped caring about logic in capes. No, I don't read indies.
Morrison also added way more of the freakish looking mutants when originally they were supposed to generally be able to blend in, with exceptions like Nightcrawler and the Morlocks. The "They could be anyone" aspect of it was something they used to push.
Then Aaron took it to comical levels with mutants being visual gags.
>>83309032
>>83309060
How do you figure it fucked the franchise? You mean by introducing too many mutants, which had to be corrected by HoM/No More Mutants?
>>83309303
>"this popular modern author sucks, I'm into old stuff you wouldn't understand"
>calling other people hipsters
>>83309604
If you think there are too many mutants, don't write them, don't create them. Don't cripple an entire franchise, because you want to boost avengers.
>>83308970
>>83309183
The X-Men aren't NEETs. NEET means "Not in Education, Employment, or Training", and the X-Men were in training...to be X-Men.
Training to be a private paramilitary force is weird, I'll grant you, but it's training nonetheless.
>>83309635
>cherrypicking
Only teenager would draw such a conclusion.
I read old stuff, because it appeals better to me.
And yeah, I don't like most of modern authors, as they lack the craft of storytelling.
Spurrier is the exception. And to some point Spencer was, don't know what happened to him. Gillen would be great if not for his pretentiousness.
>>83309665
>and the X-Men were in training...to be X-Men.
shit, you got me. They weren't NEETs, they were NEEs
>>83309604
It turned the Mansion into a 'safe haven' for all mutants. Cluttered everything to a ridiculous degree. And it stopped the idea of mutants actually living in the world. They just all go to Xaviers. HoM only made it worse, even after taking away mutants.
It never mattered how many there were. The key was always there was an unknown amount out there in the world that we've yet to see. The idea of actually being able track all known mutants is ridiculous.
In Claremonts time the X-Men would go outside, visit the world and meet new people or new mutants that we never knew about.
>>83309667
>projecting
>>83309202
Got that backwards, mate.
Morrison gets better the more you know about comics, because so much of his work is either referencing obscure comics history, or commenting on the nature of comics. He's (in)famous for drawing on old stuff everyone's forgotten about (like the Batman of Zur-En-Arrh) or meta-commenting on stuff like the industry tendency for reboots and big events in the middle of said events.
His stories are entertaining as stories (well, when he's trying to be entertaining and not just weird) because he's a good writer, but you get even more out of them if you have a knowledge of comics to see what he's doing.
>>83309706
>implying
>>83309718
b-buh he's popular so I have to call him shit
>>83309718
>because so much of his work is either referencing obscure comics history,
To each his own. he is one of these faggots who use lore that should be forgotten and abandoned, and you can't criticize him for that, because it's "canon, you filthy casual".
And you know meta-commentary can be fun at first, but later it becomes infuriating. Morrison had some good stuff, but it's very samey. He's not alone in that department, but for some reason he is revered by his mediocrity.
And like with all writes, he is past beyond his prime
>>83309718
He writes for DC so I hate him. He's not like Based Bendis
>>83309786
1/10 bait. made me reply
>>83309785
you sound like the most casual faggot alive
>>83308906
Right, so Spider-Man going black at the same time as the third movie was coming out was purely a coincidence?
Trying to cash on movie created interest is older than the MCU.
>>83309785
You seem angry at Morrison. Did he fuck your wife?
>>83309809
nice rebutall bro
>>83309822
but his wife is actually his tulpa?
>>83309838
>his
samefriend pls
Anyone has that cringey thing that Morrison wrote about him having sex with DC and it's continuity?
I remember that I barfed when I read it.
>>83309809
Some people like to read stories. Other want to read meta-commentaries. To each his own.
>>83309871
>wah I can't turn my brain off wahhh
>>83309855
my wife is lesbian.
>>83308696
>>mfw Bryan Singer started the idea of Xavier having an actual school
why it took decades and holywood for marvel to realized this idea
>>83309889
>that shitty comic is 2deep4u
yeah right
>>83308757
fr*ck you friendo
>>83309912
I wash my hands of your idiocy.
>>83309667
>I read old stuff, because it appeals better to me.
>And yeah, I don't like most of modern authors, as they lack the craft of storytelling.
>seriously guys im not a hipster faggot
>>83309929
>>83309942
Why do I have to like Morrison? He sucks.
His comics pretend to be smart, but they are very weak self-masturbatory crap.
>>83308970
they have job, it called xavier men
>>83309859
Wut? Link?
>>83309183
in his defense he didn't know how old he was because Xavier wiped his mind, and his mutant power appeared to be being a grizzled mountain man
>>83309942
>implying morrison is not for hipster faggots
duuuuude
>>83310010
Still, he was a drunkard, he smelled badly, and he went berserk easily. But maybe Xavier kept him as a pet?
>>83309183
Logan worked as hired gun
>>83309971
>>83310011
samefaggot
Magneto finally defeats Xavier by phoning in an anonymous complaint the New York State Department of Education.
The school is investigated and subsequently shut down for its shocking lack of education of its "students" and the constant danger it puts them in. Xavier goes to prison for fraud and child endangerment.
>>83309971
>>83310011
>>83310042
samefaggot
>>83310011
He's really not. In many ways he's the anti-hipster.
The hallmark of the hipster is irony. They don't enjoy things, they ironically pretend to enjoy things. Morrison has always been about complete sincerity. He genuinely loves comics, and his use of obscure and meta stuff is an expression of that love.
>>83310058
Yor embarasing youreself
>>83310088
saved
>>83310043
its out of character for mag
>>83309056
Ditto.
We've already lost the comics. I wish they would turn the X-Men into the meme-trash comedies everything else is.
>>83309698
>And it stopped the idea of mutants actually living in the world.
That's not true. Morrison's run did more to show mutants out in the public having their own neighborhoods and appearing in the media with their own art and subcultures than anyone else ever wrote.
He's the only writer who ever made them actually look like a minority.
How to spot people who dont read comics:
>hurrdurr they should not be afraid of the sources, it should be more like the comic book!
No, the comic books are mostly shit. Singer, Raimi and Burton did the right thing. Which is to extract some of the iconic parts and discard the rest to tell a better story.
mfw I tried to explain Red Skull TK powers to a friend.
>Oh he just has Xavier's brain inside his skull and that gives him his powers
>Where he got it? Oh, he took it from the grave
>Who killed him? Cyclops, infused with the phoenix
>Why does he has the phoenix? Because it was coming for Hope Summers but Tony Stark blew the Phoenix in pieces
>Hope...Summers?
Fuck off comic book niggers. Thats why they always adapt the same 5 stories for batman despise the fact he has like 3000 batfamily issues, because 2995 of them are shit.
>>83310365
by the off-chance that you're serious, stay ass-blasted, friend
>>83308740
Someone's pissed they never got their owl from Hogwarts, or a visit from Professor X.
>>83310429
Im completely serious. I read cape comic books for the last 30 years and i find them extremely stupid. Even the "good books" like for example current Vision are still shit. Anyone who pretends otherwise is a fool.
Cape comic books are shit.
>>83310529
Then good that Vision isn't cape comic and it's more like suburban horror.
>>83308792
>first Singer movie
yeah it was the Xavier school for gifted youngsters since day one. the new mutants were certainly students when we read it back in the day. magneto even became headmaster back then. I have no idea where this singer meme came from.
>>83308880
>there was no school or actual students.
>Marvel synergy
>Cap is white
>Spider-Man is white
>Thor is a man
>Hulk is banner
>Hawkeye isn't a manchild
>Wanda and Vision are important Avengers characters
uh... huh
>>83310686
That writing is dogshit.
>>83310365
>No, the comic books are mostly shit. Singer, Raimi and Burton did the right thing. Which is to extract some of the iconic parts and discard the rest to tell a better story.
And then there's Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, where the director decided to jettison the comics entirely and treat us all to his personal vision of the characters.
>>83311268
Why even bring it up?
Marlel cucks can't go five seconds without company wars.
>>83310529
I'm actually in the same boat as you, anon. Been reading since the early 90s. I find I like reading about comics more than I like reading them, if that makes sense. Like how I like reading Warcraft 40K lore or exploits in EVE Online but find the actual games mind-numbingly boring.
The thing is, as Sturgeon's Law says, 90% of everything is crap. There are so many comics that of course most of them will suck. You have to find the good ones, or the good elements and ideas in the crap, when you're doing an adaptation. Raimi, for instance, managed to capture the spirit of Spider-man even if the details were different.
>>83311336
Calm your blasted ass, DC friend.
The other anon was talking about comic book adaptations and the need to ignore the comics. I was just saying it's a fine line and you can take that too far.
>>83311402
But MoS and BvS take a lot from comics. Just not the stuff you want.
>muh no kill rule
see Batman '89
>>83311438
>Just not the stuff you want.
Not the stuff anyone wanted, apparently. The problem is what they didn't take was proper characterization, and the result was repulsed audiences and critics
>>83311477
>muh RT
I loved them both, and look forward to Snyder's JL.
>>83310742
Not enough memes and bendispeak for you?
>>83311541
I'm glad you feel that way, actually. The current course of the DCEU is running it into the ground. With any luck they'll continue to fuck up and the whole enterprise will fail.
It's the only way to clear the field for maybe getting good DC movies in 10 years or so when they try again.
So keep having such shit taste, anon. Keep supporting Snyder. Make sure he keeps directing the DCEU.
>>83311615
mad as fuck
>"What people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist twat. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behaviour, or how anyone else tries to justify it, in the end he's just an old bastard with daft, old ideas based on violence and coercion."
Is Grant Morrison right?
>>83311669
I'm a huge Morrison fag, but no, I think this is one of the few things he's wrong about.
What makes Magneto interesting is that he does want peace and safety for his people, he just doesn't think it's possible to achieve. This comes from his personal experiences as a Jew who has seen what societies do to those who are different. To me the best depictions of Magneto explore this.
If you take that away he's just a generic maniac, which is boring as a character.
It's the same with Millar and Dr. Doom. Millar said something about not buying Doom as the noble villain he's been depicted as, and so in his run Doom became a truly despicable person.
But again, that just turns Doom into a generic dictator bad guy. It ruins the character. He's much more interesting as a grand villain with his own sense of honor and nobility.
>>83311667
Heh, you're cute.
>>83309925
I frucked your mother
>>83311939
Evansposting is old and busted.
>>83310686
Are you aware that you posted a picture of the Massachussets Academy?
>>83311438
Batman doesn't intentionally kill anybody in that movie until the climax, after his plane crash when he's probably not at his best
>but
no, you're thinking of the second movie
>>83312586
>probably not at his best
le faver and rage faec
kill yourself
>>83309155
>Zenith was only kind of good if you ignore Phase 3 onwards
Wrong.
>>83309303
>When you grow up, and mature, you start to appreciate the seemingly "boring" classics like Starlin, Englehart, Gerber, Thomas, O'Neill
This is what someone who pretends to read Bronze Age comics would say.
No way would I ever rank any of them except for Gerber over Morrison.
>>83309303
>When you grow up, and mature, you start to appreciate the seemingly "boring" classics like Starlin, Englehart, Gerber, Thomas, O'Neill
I am the biggest Bronze Age fanboy out there and Morrison is one of the handful of writers in this era that is in the tradition of those guys
>>83308696
>Bryan Singer started the idea of Xavier having an actual school
>>83312586
He intentionally bombs a chemical factory full of the Joker's men giving them nowhere near enough time to escape.
>>83309558
>But the X-Men are rather public, as is Xavier's affiliation with them. Not many secret identities there either.
If i recall correctly xaivier was exposed as a mutant during Morrison run, of course most enemies knew the connection but not the general public
>Which is why teens with non combative powers being there is all kinds of stupid.
What happen is that is true the x- mensaje had a shit load of villains that only has beef white the group, like the shi'ar, or agenst a individual, no small part of the enemies hate mutants and attack mutants in general, if you put all the weak ones in a single place without a team to protect them, is easy to guess what school is going to get blown by purifiers
>>83314285
A chemical factory which is supplying the front lines of Joker's intended mass-murder of everybody in Gotham the same night.
>>83312890
>I would be perfectly fine after crashing a jet aircraft into a building's steps
>>83308906
I've read the pitch. Morrison doesn't say he didn't really read X-Men. Also, I've heard him in multiple interviews talking about reading Claremont's X-Men back in the day. In the pitch, he even says that they needed to get back to the coolness of the Claremont stuff.
>>83308906
>because he never read X-Men
Aaaaaand you're full of shit. He's spoken multiple times about how he loved Claremont's X-men when he was young.
>>83308696
God I hate Disney. I cant see how people still support this jewy brand. Look at the state of xmen now (no more new mutants). They literally shit on their own properties in spite. Why cant fox just buy the entire all-inclusive rights of xmen and tell Disney to fuck off.
The X-movies have been better than all MCU joints other than the last two Captain America's and yet you'll see facebook comment section filled up with shit like "Give the rights back to Marlel". Why can't fucking Stan Lee comment on this shit?
bruh
>>83311669
So Magneto in Apocalypse is literally Morrison.
Now I kinda appreciate more then movie.
>>83309683
>mfw
>>83309202
>Morrison is only good if you are new into comics
>>83308696
Half of /co/ needs to be lynched for taking the bait. No wonder the study confirmed that this board has low IQ.
>>83317955
All of this thread was bait posts to get you to respond to the thread, senpai
>>83315158
Rotten Tomatoes isn't a review site. It's a compilation site of reviews from across the web. Disnet wouldn't be able to pay off reviews from several seperate websites and newspapers without anyone knowing. Plus their own films (like recently Alice 2) got shit on by Rotten Tomatoes.
Plus. WB owns RT. So enough tinfoil hat tipping.
>>83318637
>it's a 'i'm the only one who gets how RT works' post
