Is this Marvel's equivalent of the Teen Titans?
How does Marvel keep getting it SO RIGHT with Kamala?
She's made Miles and Sam much more likeable just by being around her
>>83307917
Kamala a cute a cute
>>83307990
She needs a female friend who is also a cape
>>83308254
It would be fun if she met Ultra Girl, since she was Ms Marvel for a bit too
>>83308254
Unfortunately the other teen heroes aren't as popular. Sam is barely justified, his book is just scraping by.
>>83308448
Is there any chance they'll bring back Dick Rider?
>>83308448
That's how it usually works
You have a popular core and then some lesser heroes to add colour
Cassie Lang would be an obvious addition
A random X-man
Maybe Daredevils Chinese friend
>>83308495
Context?
>>83308448
That's what the Avengers used to be. The team of the guys not popular enough to matter otherwise. They became the JL-esque main team after decades.
>>83307917
>Is this Marvel's equivalent of the Teen Titans
>a black guy
>a mexican guy
>a muslim girl
>no white guys
sounds like Marvel's version of anything
>>83308643
>The team of the guys not popular enough to matter otherwise
That's what New Avengers are right now
>>83308643
>They became the JL-esque main team after decades.
*after Bendis
>>83308495
Not even a little. Marvel would have to listen to their fans for that to happen
>>83308583
Ultron took over the Phalanx and made a virus that bends people to his will.
He took over Kree space and out a huge barrier around it.
Richard hits the barrier at FTL speeds and seriously injured himself.
Gamora found his body while he was recovering. She kisses him and infects him with Phalanx virus, and probably does some other stuff. Then they go around, fuck shit up for Ultron, and fuck like rabbits.
Later, Worldmind fights off the virus long enough to Richard to regain control of his body from Ultron
>>83308709
This is the exact moment it happened:
>"They were going through all of the books, and when we got to 'Avengers,' Mark Millar and I were doing a lot of talking. We were told to feel free to talk, but sometimes we were the only ones talking which can be embarrassing. Mark and I really got into a tizzy about Avengers," Bendis recalled. "It was just us bitching, saying things like, 'Why isn't it really Earth's Mightiest heroes? What the fuck is Jack of Hearts?' Then Mark, in his lilting Scottish brogue, said, 'You know, when I was a wee young lad in Scotland, I would only buy "Justice League" because I would get all of my DC heroes for just 10 cents. It was a bargain and featured some of their greatest characters.'
>"I responded, 'Yeah, why isn't "Avengers" a book made up of the coolest guys? Why doesn't it have characters like Spider-Man and Wolverine?' Then a ruckus broke out in the room. People were screaming and yelling. It was really just madness," Bendis continued. "So it was me, Mr Schmucky, and Scottish Schmucky coming in and going, 'Your book sucks! This could be better.' That's not what we were doing, but there's no way that it didn't come off that way.
>>83308877
>Why isn't it really Earth's Mightiest heroes? What the fuck is Jack of Hearts?'
>why isn't "Avengers" a book made up of the coolest guys? Why doesn't it have characters like Spider-Man and Wolverine?'
these are two completely different and contradictory points
Spiderman and Wolverine are not mighty
Cap/Thor/Ironman were not popular at that time
>>83307917
Gwenpool > Kamala
>>83308254
Well, she has been friendly with Medusa and Carol.
But yeah, a best buddy cape would be cool.
Who would be a good choice here, though?
Mutants are kinda out of question, I guess.
And she is already ignoring her school friends a lot, which is a shame.
Maybe they could promote Nakia or Mike to hero status?
That would make things easier and both are in close proximity to a nascent super scientist and an Inhuman, so there are a number of ways to catch powers. Or cancer.
>>83308643
Come to think of it what was marvels a-team called
>>83308928
Not to mention that he complains about B-Listers being on the team and then proceeds to add Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Echo, Noh-Varr and fucking Daisy Johnson. Truly cool iconic characters that wee lads in Scotland would spend 10 cents on.
>>83307917
Marvel teen titans has always been te x-men
>>83308495
>>83308679
Being "progressive" is the hip thing to do these days, and Marvel is trying to capitalize on it.
Glad I stopped buying comics way back in the mid 00's.
>>83308964
Just stick her with Silk, they're both popular enough to sustain ongoings
>>83308500
The only popular x-teen that isnt one of the original 5 is probably Evan, the apocalypse clone.
I just hope hopeless doesnt make him gay
>>83309027
Silk is ten years older and stuck in the last decade, though.
They have literally nothing in common.
Especially family-wise.
>>83309027
I would read that.
>>83309080
Gwenpool it is then
Makes sense with the other parallels
>>83309057
>>83308500
>It's going to be Goldenballs
He just transferred to Miles school
>>83309057
Why am I suddenly so enamored with the idea that they make a second Deadpool movie and Evan is in it?
>>83308972
They were called the X-men.
>>83308679
Isnt the Nova guy white? I dont read Marvel, but was thinking on drawing porn that would have included him, so this part is kind omportant.
>>83309178
Because Evan is cute
Because Wade is a cool father figure going back to Syrin
>>83309111
And both are Fangirls to diffrent degrees.
>>83309203
But isent that limited to mutants
>>83309018
>progressive is hip now
>>83309209
You're probably thinking of Dick. This is Sam.
>>83309209
If you want to use the Nova that doesn't suck and has a pornstar name, then yes, he is white
They should form a team, call it the...NEW Avengers or something
>>83309243
Yes. Back in the 70s-80s-90s, Mutants/X-teams were the best-selling books right after Spider-Man.
Ever since House of M/Civil War, the Avengers have been slowly overtaking the X-Teams. People like to joke that Marvel is replacing the X-Men with Inhumans, but really it was the Avengers that Marvel has tried to replace them with (and has largely been successful).
>>83308928
>Spider-Man
>not mighty
What, 30 tons isn't enough?
>>83309638
Nah, they should call it Avengers: International.
But for real, I miss when the big teams had sub-teams. Like Avengers and Avengers: West Coast. If they'd just change the title of "New Avengers" to "Avengers Ideas Mechanics" or AIM, like what they are called in the book itself, it'd help alleviate some of the brand wearing down.
I mean you didn't call every X-Team the X-Men. You had X-Factor, X-Calibure...
>>83308978
>that wee lads in Scotland would spend 10 cents on.
haha
>>83309662
That is mainly to do with X-men being written like shit post-Morrison and sales declining rather than Sales significantly rising (and staying high) under Bendis and Hackman
>>83309743
He has always been treated like a joke on the Avengers, literally has never had a single moment or done anything useful in his 12 years with them
>>83309764
Yeah, maybe a bit too 90s though
>>83309638
that's kind of what I want to happen after civil war 2. kamala becomes so disillusioned with the older heroes that she goes and makes her own teamwith blackjack and hookersdisconnected from the petty bullshit that the older generation seems to live in.
it would be a story of growing up and realising that your heroes aren't the type of people you thought they would be.
>>83307917
I am waiting for them to invite the robot kids into the team.
What other super power kids in the marvel universe?
>>83309937
Those 4 Powers kids that are part of the Future Foundation?
>>83307917
Bait.
Literally one of the worst marvel ongoings right now.
>>83310063
>Literally
You're misusing the word. IMO it's good, but even if you think it's bad, Marvel has several books out that are pretty bad.
>>83310077
Don't assume that his reason for disliking the book is based on ethnicities. He could just not like the writing.
>>83310077
lol I mean a forced muslim character is shit too but it's still the worst ongoing.
>>83310130
>but even if you think it's bad, Marvel has several books out that are pretty bad
Hardly a defense and pretty shitty outlook of marvel comics in general really.
>>83310131
As opposed to a forced christian one?
>>83310077
>If somebody doesent like a book that has a minority in it there /pol/
I fucking love kamala and I can still realise you need to fuck off back to tumblr
>>83310167
Nope, before you get your sensitive ideologies in a twist trying to push any religeon in an attempt to be "diverse" is pretty shit.
Not that marvel really promotes christian characters like they used to.
>>83310077
I am talking About Miles book
>>83310167
Lets be honest, religion has been forced Into characters since the 2000, nightcrawler used to pray off panel and Matt never mentioned religion too much
>>83310131
>I don't read comics
>>>/pol/
>>83310207
So, no character should have religion be a part of their character then?
>>83310242
I read enough to know it continously underlines her stories. At least her early ones.
Also the artwork was done in biro back then and the dialogue was like going to reddit.
>>83310251
I don't think it should be a building block for a new character or a fundamental part of a characters story.
>>83308254
That is probably what they are setting up Nadia for
>>83310304
Like 2010 reddit too.
>>83310304
Why not? Religion is a big part of many peoples lives.
>>83307917
Gonna need a Fab 5 or something 4 for that. So I guess Hope is out?
>>83310346
I understand the idea of focusing on the personal lives of capes to try and make them more relatable but does it make a good story?
From what I read, no it doesn't. They've never needed it in a good personal story before, peter parker, frank castle, dare devil and even a b-lister like marvel knights sentry have all done excellent personal stories without ever needing to bring up religeon.
>yfw Kamala falls out favor like all teen heroes
>>83310407
>dare devil
>without ever needing to bring up religeon.
Go back to /pol/ and come back when you've actually read the comics you're talking about.
And learn how to spell.
>>83310407
Your point is retarded
>Good stories can be told without involving religion
>THEREFORE NO STORIES SHOULD EVER INVOLVE RELIGION REGARDLESS OF QUALITY
>>83310519
It's a dangerous kind of thinking too. It can literally be used as an "argument" for or against anything and anyone.
>>83310495
>>83310519
Fucking flawless rebuttals from people that have never read anything pre-2000.
Her stories are shit, underwhelming, poorly thought out and the underlying muslim element adds nothing besides the only "original" thing about the character.
>>83309256
>progressive is hip now
>>83309937
Well what's going on with Jack and Katie Powers? They'd probably be up for it.
>>83310710
>black ranger is black
>yellow ranger is asian
How did they get away with this
>>83311117
it's like some weird transitional period for PC casting - they wanted minorities, but they didn't know what to do with them
>>83309256
>>83310710
You do realize that due to the revolving door of 4chan, that most of the people here weren't alive when these were on the air?
>>83310495
Daredevil's religion was only introduced when Miller came on board. "Catholic superhero" was never his selling point. And his faith is barely brought up nowadays.
>>83311342
>it only became a thing during the characters most celebrated run
Whose side are you on, dummy?
>>83311117
Was actually an interesting interview about that by Walter Emanuel Jones on youtube.
Casting was open to race, but Zack was written as someone with rhythm based fighting style and Walter says "Who else but a brother" or something.
Original Trini was a Latina girl who demanded a pay raise or something and got fired. Thuy Trang ended up getting the role after that.
>>83311393
Only in Born Again which was written after his main run
>>83311117
>>83311505
it was logical
>want a black and an asian
black men > black women
asian women > asian men
Pink ranger is the female equivalent of red so that had to go to a white girl so the asian woman had to be the yellow ranger
Black ranger was actually the second in command in the Japanese version so that's actually a good thing
>>83309209
He's half Hispanic and half white, but he takes after his white father in skin tone more than his Hispanic mother, so technically he's white.
>>83311684
This racist piece of shit right here.
>>83311574
Point I was getting at was that she wasn't yellow because she was Asian, more like an Asian got the role because Latina girl fucked up. Though the "rhythm kung-fu" that described Zack's character just screamed that they were looking for a black dude. Which Isn't bad since the show seems to have diversity as a founding characteristic and Walter is fucking based.
>Black men over Black women
>Asian women over Asian Men
It only took one season for them to bring in that BW AM flavor
>>83311053
They're way too young for this shit.
>>83311342
I'm pretty sure it was brought up as recent as 2014, with the whole Orginal Sin with his mother.
>>83307917
If Deadpool appears as the villain, it will be perfect.
>>83311760
I still remember that awkward episode where they left Aisha in Africa and took another black girl home with them.
>>83311734
What?
>>83311941
Nope. Matt being Catholic wasn't mentioned despite it being about his nun mother. Meanwhile Kamala always goes on about her faith.
>1 teen spider character
>1 teen cosmic character
>1 teen inhuman character
We just need 1teen mutant and 1 teen avenger
>>83312371
They're all avengers, debuting in Avengers isn't really a thing anymore
>>83312308
No she's doesn't. You make it sound like she's a contestant on Masterchef, always going on and on every episode about how they're a single Hispanic, an Indian etc.
It was prominent in the first series during the early arcs, but it's not an important thing these days, especially in the relaunch.
>>83307917
I hope Avengers Assemble doesn't ruin Kamala. They probably will though.
>>83311897
Well Alex and Julie started off as preteens, and now they're young adults. Jack and Katie are probably in high school by now.
>>83312794
Alex is 19, so Julie is anywhere between 16-17.
When Jack and Katie appeared in a FF issue they're weren't looking much different from Franklin, so I won't be surprised if they haven't aged especially since they're both rarely seen and/or mentioned at all.
3 people isn't a team.
>>83313013
Red Hood and the Outlaws
>>83309932
And that arc has to end with them all sitting on the bus, laughing euphoric ally, then slowly realising all the bridges they just burned.
Like in The Graduate.
>>83312557
Well, they just had a big fat Muslim wedding.
But she never seems to refer to doctrine or invoke any religious reasons for anything.
I think she quoted scripture like twice in internal monologue because that were her father's favorites.
But she blatantly disobeys religious doctrine at every turn, questions authority and hangs with men, non-believers, pagan gods and aliens. Although, I'm not sure what the official stance is for not-quite-humans.
Are Inhumans even allowed in? Could be bad news for Aamir.
>>83308254
you are right, anon, and pic related is the best option
>>83313557
of course
>>83307917
Marvel's Teen Titans are the Young Avengers.
Teen Titans = sidekicks/young versions of the Justice League
YA = young versions of the Avengers
>>83313903
Young Avengers are forced and no one cares about them
>>83307917
Any room for one more?
>>83309937
>Implying they will survive Tom King's Wild Ride
>>83307917
We need two more, one of whom is a girl.
>>83309243
X-men has had aliens, cyborgs/androids/robots, sentient AI, genetically-engineered non-mutants, magically-enhanced non-mutants and flatscan pure humans.
>>83312868
Huh. Marvel aging being inconsistent as always, I guess.
>>83308972
Wasn't it the Fantastic Four for quite a time?
>>83313013
But it is a crowd.
>tfw no Anya
Why she's gone!
>>83307917
Diversity Team
>>83308729
>their fans
I'm pretty sure Dick Rider fans aren't really Marvel fans.
>>83314892
She's not gone. She's with her own team, the Web Warriors.
>>83308495
Nah, it will have to take Marvel Studios having him in a movie for Marvel Comics to acknowledge him and who knows if that will ever happen.
Although there is hope that if they ever decide to do a Nova movie it will have Rich, James Gunn said in one of his Q&A videos that Marvel Studios wanted to expand their Cosmic properties and that he was consulting them, now Gunn has said he didn’t care much for Rich in his movies but if Marvel wants to do a Nova movie he will suggest Rich to them and if Perlman is still doing scripts after Captain Marvel she will suggest Rich too because she had him in her GotG draft.
Loeb and Marvel Entertainment have no power over Marvel Studios.
Also Rich has more stories under his belt and more cosmic related ones than Sam who seems to be stucked under "My dad is missing" shit stories
So far the app games have acknowledged Rich, he was in that one Marvel Diablo game and will be in Marvel Avengers Alliance game so some people are acknowledging that he has fans.
>>83307917
This is what a well written Teen Titans comic should be.
>>83308679
who is Mexican there?
>>83315500
both Miles and Sam are mexican
>>83309209
He has white skin, has blue eyes and black hair and his mom and sister are brown while his dad is a white guy with light brown to dirty brown hair.
His mom is a latina so that would make Sam a Latino too, although the comic is very subtle about it like it doesn’t throw at you that they have Latino culture and shit other than his mom making an altar to the dead Novas but she is never saying shit like "Mijo" or using the ocassional word in Spanish.
Like you could have made her native American and shit would be the same, it really doesn't matter.
>>83315301
Rich has more stories, but they'd just take them and replace Rich with Sam or someone else.
Hell, the GotG movie felt closer to a shitty version of Richard's origin story than anything else from comics
>>83315554
i yeah i keep forgeint Miles is Mexican, and fuck Sam he is a disappointment in all thing like all the mexicans in my country
>>83311734
SJW pls, like you people don't shit on the biracial people more than anyone and the white passing ones get a "you're white shitlord" anger directed at them because of white privilege shit.
>>83315620
I'm sure Jeph Loeb is pleased with him.
Sam has mysteriously avoided cancellation for years, despite having a run that lasted nearly 40 issues and barely got above 20k sales per issue
>>83315620
At least he fucking tries, as hard as he can. That's what counts.
>>83315102
Being written by a boring guy who loves Spider-Gwen and Spider-Ham too much.
MCU Annihilation when?
>>83315554
>>83315620
Miles is Puerto Rican, not Mexican.
Sam is Latino, they haven't mentioned if he is Mexican or not because his comic doesn't give much of a shit about that part of him.
>>83315800
Maybe his Dad is Space Mexican and he is fighting Cosmic Trump?
>>83315770
Probably never since Annihilus and Galactus are owned by a different studio
Yeah, they could change out her characters for someone else, but what I'm most afraid of is what they'd do to Richard if they decided to include him at all
>>83315613
Yeah but Marvel Studio people seem in my opinion more aware of Rich than Sam, and Gunn didn’t give much of a shit what Bendis was doing in his comics and went and did his own thing also Sam's stories are more about him being a kid and his dad than anything it wouldn't work.
>>83315842
No, his deadbeat dad is white his mom is the Latina.
>>83315875
Gunn still said he hates Rich and that his opinion hasn't changed for GotG 2
Plus, Loeb is the executive producer on all their shows, so he can probably convince them to use his dead son
>>83315872
If he is a character that they want money from and do a franchise out of they will treat him right.
Marvel Studios aren't Marvel Entertainment, the people that are shitting on Rich are Brevoort, Wacker, and Loeb and they don't have a say in what happens in the movies and at least two people in Marvel Studios have knowledge about the Giffen, DnA, and old Cosmic Marvel stuff and one of them is ignoring most of the post-DnA stuff.
>>83315982
Gunn never said he hated Rich but that he doesn’t want him for his GotG movie and it is clear he is just using the Nova corps as a plot device. Also people take his shit out of context or make him seem harsher in interviews which he has said in his Q&As.
But Nova having his own movie is different and if Gunn had to consult for that he would still suggest Rich also because last time I checked he didn’t know who Sam was.
Loeb can't do shit on Marvel Studios he has no power there.
>>83307917
>How does Marvel keep getting it SO RIGHT with Kamala?
They aren't. She STILL doesn't have a Marvel Legends figure.
>>83315982
Asked him if he hated Rich at a con and he said he thought he was OK but that he wasn't interested in using him in his movies.
>>83308254
wasn't Stature recently de-aged? maybe they can add her into the mix, i loved her before she was just randomly gibbed
>>83315557
So is he inclusion and diversity donright?
>>83316723
You spelled done wrong.
>>83316723
I think Blue Beetle or Hummingbird would fit that better even Spider-Man 2099.
>>83312497
What about the new wasp?
>>83316723
Kamala and Jamie Reyes are good examples
>>83316872
Fair point
I don't think she'll survive though
>>83307917
>Is this Marvel's equivalent of the Teen Titans?
Nigga. X-Men.
>>83307917
>Much more likeable
I like Sam because of his solo desu. Other than the scene of him spilling hot, sticky spaghetti all over Kamala (which, admittedly, is what made me go back and read his run), there's not all that much in ANADvengers to endear him to readers.
Well, now that I think about it, the other kids hanging off of him when he flies is pretty great, too. But stuff like him freaking out about being responsible for Warbringer is dumb.
>>83310449
She's more the new Spider Man than the actual new Spider Man. Miles and Sam will fall by the wayside way sooner than Kamala
>>83314131
>We need two more, one of whom is a girl.
Hope/Nadia Pym is joining the ANAD Avengers and she's a teen legacy girl, so she'll fit.
I'd say throw Robbie or Cho in there, but both of them are barely teenagers now. Robbie is 18 and Cho is 19. It'd need to be someone closer to 16 to fit with them.
Unless you had Cho as the older leader.
>>83316723
He's as "diverse" as Kyle Rayner, and no one is about to claim that Kyle Rayner isn't a white guy.
>>83317709
>Hope/Nadia Pym is joining the ANAD Avengers and she's a teen legacy girl, so she'll fit.
Would be best if there was someone with a starkly contrasting personality but she is the best fit in terms of background
>>83308877
>Mark, in his lilting Scottish brogue, said, 'You know, when I was a wee young lad in Scotland, I would only buy "Justice League" because I would get all of my DC heroes for just 10 cents. It was a bargain and featured some of their greatest characters.'
>Scotland
>cents
>>83307917
>Is this Marvel's equivalent of the Teen Titans?
No, that would be the New Warriors, right down to team members dying.
>>83317604
>Kamala's book will stay alive because of interesting stories
>Miles's book will stay alive because Bendis has an audience that only buys his books
>Sam's book will only stay alive because Axel wants Mexican heroes
>>83319120
>>Miles's book will stay alive because Bendis has an audience that only buys his books
And because he's also got Spider-Man Security.
>>83319120
Miles survives because he's a Spider
It's like the Bat family, they're just popular
Silk is sitting at a REALLY healthy 40k now
>>83319254
That's not actually a thing, dummy.
It's good for maybe 8,000 units.
>>83319292
>Mayday
>Anya
>Kaine
Wasn't Spider-Gwen losing chunks of readers every month before Secret Wars?
>>83319449
Spider-Gwen and Silk at issue 7 are still FAR healthier than any non-Spider book would be at this point
They're outselling most solo ongoings
20k is cancellation territory and they will never be there
>>83308495
>>83308996
>Those three guys who care so much
>Anonymous
I honestly think Brevoort just sends in these questions himself to troll people
>>83308254
Carol Danvers who has forgotten her adult life and has been aged down to Kamala's age?
>>83320053
At this point, that would be a kindness.
>>83314131
What about Striker? He hasn't been doing anything since Avengers Academy, right? Plus he's gay, so he would fit the diversity quota.
>>83320053
It's better than every other idea they've tried in order to make her more popular
>>83321125
sticker the walking electric chair right?
how about molly from runaways, she's not doing anything is she? plus I think she and kamala could get along.
>>83318733
Conversion. Look it up
>>83321647
>sticker the walking electric chair right?
meant striker's the walking electric chair
>>83321676
yeah, basically. Plus his outward personality is gay superhero Reggie Mantle, which could be a fun dynamic with the rest of the team.
>>83312371
>1teen mutant
Jubilee is a Teenager again right?
>>83322048
It's not the 90's anymore though
>>83316723
>diversity don
>You come to me, on the day of my daughter's wedding to a black man, to ask a favor? You have done me a great service; ask, and I will oblige.
>Could I make a new white character?
>You know I cannot do this.
>Oh please Don, just a kid, a small boy.
>Hmm. He may appear white, but make his mother Hispanic, and his white father deadbeat. This, I will grant you.
>Oh thank you Don, thank!
>*kisses ring*
>>83322983
So, how was Kamala pitched to the Don, then?
