Stan Lee approves Hydra Cap
>“It’s a hell of a clever idea; I don’t know that I would ever have thought of it for him to be a double agent, but it’s going to make you curious, it’s going to make you want to read the books, they’ll probably do a movie based on it, so I can’t fault it; it’s a good idea. I think it’s crazy, but it’s a good idea.”
http://screenrant.com/captain-america-hydra-stan-lee-response/
>>83283593
That looks like a Stan Lee cosplayer, or a very intensive photoshop.
>>83283674
Intense? I'd be surprised if there was an unchanged pixel in that entire pic.
>>83283674
He's looking fresh after the string of deaths this year have empowered him; you can see Darwyn Cooke's soul screaming to escape if you look close into his eyes.
Why would he not? Bullshit last page shockers are what comics were made for. He knows it's not going to last more than a year.
>They'll probably do a movie on it.
This is actually an interesting point. The MCU characterizations of the supes are all pretty good. But how would people (fans, casuals) react to huge changes in the movies? (ie, Bucky or Sam getting the mantle of Captain America, Thor being a woman, Cap becoming Hydra)
If he was still writing Captain America when Jack Kirby died, he probably would've done this and made it permanent.
evil lich magic aside
hes never been a very good writer himself so
>>83283740
They'd do their own mainstream version of the autistic REEEEEEEEEEEE.
>>83283740
Fortunately Natalie Portman will never be Thor.
>>83283740
The closest example we've gotten is the reveal that Bucky killed Tony's parents, and casuals seem to love that.
>>83283727
He's Jewish?
>>83283871
But can we expect Kat Dennings as Tithor?
This is basically how I feel about it. It's not a terrible idea, especially considering we don't know what Marvel will actually do with it but it is ballsy as fuck and could easily turn out terrible.
>>83283963
So? Being the person that created HYDRA, he's the first person that'll tell you that HYDRA aren't nazis.
>>83283963
He's a grown ass man who understands that it doesn't make Cap a Nazi and it's fucking fiction anyway.
And honestly I challenge you to find any big 2 writer who is saying this was a bad move. They all know how this works and want to protect the idea of shock reveals especially in a #1 issue. It's not a big deal.
>>83284562
>>83283593
>it’s going to make you want to read the books, they’ll probably do a movie based on it, so I can’t fault it
Stan Lee has always been a businessman first, and from that perspective this is a great move.
>>83285127
>>83285205
This is about patriotism tho?
>>83285179
>Stan Lee has always been a businessman first
This. He's great at marketing shit and being the face of the company. He's basically the Steve Jobs of Marvel, which I guess makes Kirby Woz.
>>83285205
He straight up says he's a nazi and he's wearing a gigantic fucking swastika on his chest.
>>83283593
>sole creator of Captain America and the entire Marvel universe approves
>SJWs still get mad
>>83285322
>approves
Everything for a nice check, anon.
>>83285205
This never felt right. I feel like Joker would be the last person to judge anyone based on their beliefs, no matter how insane or 'evil' they are. The only thing he'd care about is if he could use them or how to dispose of them when they get in the way.
>>83285340
>Everything for a nice check
Welcome to comics, idiot!
>>83283593
He's not wrong.
Look how much interest it's sparked on twitter.
>>83285362
It's an Elseworlds, Jim.
>>83285362
It might have made more sense back in the day. Patriotism was way higher back then. You'd have to ask somebody who read it when it came out
>>83283593
>they’ll probably do a movie based on it
Captain Hydra: the Fake Avenger
>>83285362
Yeah The Joker was never super patriotic
Lol a few days ago someone posted caps of some twitter chick completely outraged at this decision, who said something to the extent of
>I can't wait to see what the lovely JEWISH Stan Lee has to say about this
Well, wish granted
>>83285322
>sole creator
I hate moviefags so much. Joe Simon and Jack Kirby created Captain America and his entire mythos. And other comic writers like Gruenwald had a bigger impact on the character than Lee ever had.
But no, "meme movie guy made the Marvel universe! XD"
>>83285667
He feeds on their souls, so they are part of him now.
>>83285388
That isn't going to get anyone to buy the books. At most they might read some reviews or pirate them.
>>83285127
Whoops, you lose.
>>83285739
>People won't read the books because they'll pirate them
This is true with every comic book. Now, lots of dumb people on twitter are talking about it, they're giving views and spamming their friends list with what's hot with Cap.
Idiot pawns doing Marvel's marketing for them. Expect this to turn into a full-blown arc because of how successful it's been.
>>83285689
This joke stopped being funny 3 years ago.
>>83285907
You left out "buy" which is what these companies care about the most you dumbass.
>>83283740
>Bucky or Sam getting the mantle of Captain America
Bucky would make sense and people would probably be open to that change. Sam though, I don't see it happening for awhile, if ever.
>Thor being a woman
That would lose all the women who go to the movies to see the Chris Hemsworth shirtless scenes and Loki crack-shipping moments.
>Cap becoming Hydra
Unless it's an alternate universe Cap attempting to fuck with the real Steve Rogers, I could see actual boycotts happening if they went this route. They'd also need to somehow patch up all the numerous plot holes it would open up in the MCU. It doesn't seem worth the effort to do this when people are already seeing the movies in the millions without needing cheap tricks to lure them in.
Comics pull this retarded shit because they need clickbait-tier "twists" to even remain relevant, because selling based on quality writing makes for less consistent profits than just making people angry enough to buy every issue just to see what stupid bullshit they pull next. At least a few dozen people I know who are just interested in the movies for the most part have said they're all planning on buying the next few issues because they're pissed off and confused and want to know more.
>>83285937
Hey, it's either this or "Batman, rape the Joker!" or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. /co/ has shit memes. Pick your fucking poison.
>>83285845
So he just pretends to be a Nazi?
>>83285976
>Herp what is marketing guys? I am an idiot and don't understand that publicity = sales, herp derp I'm an idiot /co/.
I can see that. I am sorry you were born retarded.
>>83285976
you left out "publicity", which is what these companies rely on to get new readers you moron.
>>83286143
Some of its members are Nazis, but Hydra as an organization does not champion National Socialism.
>>83284181
>Darcy as Thor
I'd prefer it if she wasn't worthy but her tits were,so we'd have a movie with her tits holding Mjolnir.
>>83285997
>At least a few dozen people I know who are just interested in the movies for the most part have said they're all planning on buying the next few issues because they're pissed off and confused and want to know more.
I really don't understand this mindset, especially for people who regularly buy comics at shops. When I was buying floppies all the time I'd often flip through stuff I didn't buy just to see what was up, but I didn't throw money at something because I was mad about it.
Maybe it's just because I read really fast.
>>83286143
Hydra predates the nazi party. They grew out of a cult that worships reptiles and the modern incarnation was only created after Strucker left the Nazi party
>>83285845
and what the fuck does he know about it?
>>83285739
>That isn't going to get anyone to buy the books.
Yes it will, go look at all the news outlets, the social media networks, even talk show hosts buzzing about it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=captain+america&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=captain+america&tbm=nws
Look at it, every tabloid to blog is talking about it. Marvel couldn't pay for marketing this good.
How many people were talking about comic book captain america before this?
https://www.google.com/search?q=captain+america&biw=1920&bih=958&source=lnt&tbs=sbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A5%2F9%2F2016%2Ccd_max%3A2%2F2%2F2016&tbm=nws
Oh look, lots of news about Civil War and nothing else. You can't even find a comic-book Cap story in there.
Genius move from Marvel.
>>83286381
What does the guy who writes for Marvel know about Marvel comics? The guy who wrote all the major storylines of the past ten years?
A lot more than you, I would hope.
I know you're mad about it, but come on.
>>83286325
They're the exact kind of people that Brevoort talks about when he justifies Marvel's clickbait advertising scheme. It's easy to decry him based on those statements until you actually run into people with the mentality that allows said schemes to work flawlessly.
The only downside is that it results in stories that will not be remembered decades from now, because it's selling based on outrage instead of quality writing. It's all just popcorn, terrible for you and devoured mindlessly while you're distracted by anger, but eventually it just gets stale and you move on to the next freshly-buttered bag of salted cardboard.
Of course, it's not a downside to Marvel so long as they're still making money.
>>83286458
Bingo
This guy gets it.
>>83286458
I hope eventually people catch on. Wouldn't you eventually just get a bad reputation with this if they keep it going for long? You already have MCU fans who think of the comics as trash beneath them and Marvel Studios is no longer under the control of the creative committee. Aren't the people on the Marvel Entertainment side kinda fucked?
>>83286391
Most of that doesn't matter for May's sales numbers. It might do ok in June but Civil War 2 #1 is going to kill everything based on variants alone.
>>83286690
That's why I stopped reading DC, because in the early days of the N52 they kept tweeting stuff like "ooh you guys are sure gonna be mad this week :^)" before killing off fan favorite characters, in particular I think it was Booster Gold. I decided then and there I wasn't buying their serials anymore.
And then I realized how much money I spent on comics and dropped all my titles. Now I just read on my tablet and buy tpbs that I like enough to grant an honored space on my cramped shelf.
>>83283593
>but it’s going to make you curious, it’s going to make you want to read the books
I mean this has always been the mentality of all kinds of comics.
It's so ridiculous that people who don't read comics actually take this one even remotely serious.
>>83286738
>Most of that doesn't matter for May's sales numbers.
For one, May is almost over. So it's a little too late for that.
It may not do anything for May's sales number, but what about June? July? August? This is a major storyline change that people are interested in.
Unless you want to argue that the big ol' nothing that Cap America comics were getting before was superior marketing.
>but Civil War 2 #1 is going to kill everything
You don't seem to understand, this is the stopgap measure to ensure that Civil War 2 doesn't kill its readership.
>>83286217
They're not getting new readers who buy their comics. That's been my point.
>>83286162
>I am an idiot and don't understand that publicity = sales
Then you're delusional since Marvel's sales haven't gotten any better no matter how many gimmicks they pull out of their ass.
>>83286896
It will settle in around 50k probably by issue 6 regardless of the press. Just how it goes.
>>83286987
>Then you're delusional since Marvel's sales haven't gotten any better no matter how many gimmicks they pull out of their ass.
>Source: The annals of my anus
Better just disband marvel comics now, then. Because literally nothing they could do, even a controversial storyline involving a highly public and highly publicized event, could get them sales anymore.
My sources include some guy on an anonymous imageboard that doesn't understand marketing.
>>83283963
>He's Jewish?
He's a Jew from when Antisemitism actually meant something and he's a writer.
He can tell the difference between a marketing ploy story and when someone's being an actual cunt
>>83286987
>They're not getting new readers who buy their comics.
The publicity disagrees.
I don't know what everyone's complaining about, I can nazi the problem with this at all
>>83287279
Hydra aren't Nazis, Carlos.
>>83287279
Man Carlos posting just isn't the gas it used to be
>>83285362
The Joker did it because it was funny. Humor is the only morality the Joker operates by.
>>83287436
>>83287171
>The publicity disagrees.
But the actual numbers, records of people buying the comics, don't
>>83287068
That's pretty damn good considering Cap had previously settled in the low 30,000s.
>>83285127
Not written by Stan, that was actually written by Gary Friedrich owho replaced Stan Lee and one of the worst Cap writers (he introduced the shitty Femme Force and tried to cuck Nick Fury by having his girlfriend get with Cap) his run wasn't liked.
The panel you got that from is from Cap #147 which was one of the most hated Cap stories (so bad it brought sales down and Gary jad to be replaced by Englehart) because it recycled an old plot line from Stan and Jack and (the sleeper agents), he brought the Red Skull back from the dead to lead a shitty Nevada Hydra chapter, and introduced some convulted stuff with Hydra, Wilson Fisk, and his son so bad that three years later Isabella had to fucking clean it up in Daredevil like Ewing cleans Bendis' shit.
Also it has the only comic were Red Skull is leading Hydra before Spencer made him co opt it.
And you can say Red Skull takes over Hydra on that one ocassion because that is what he does, he takes advantage of other groups and uses them for his own schemes, like the watchdogs, or how he used Kronas corp, or that one black liberation group that he manipulated even though he's a racist but that doesn't make those black people nazis, just his pawns.
Strucker is the only former Nazi in Hydra (or was at least) and he is the one who took Hydra and stuck with it, he believes in it and wants to bring Hydra to glory etc.... And he also thinks lowly of Nazis because they fucked up and got defeated and the reason Strucker found himself with Hydra was because he ditched the Nazis in a similar way MCU Red Skull did.
I mean Strucker is most likely racist as fuck and has some other fascist beliefs but he's not a Nazi and he has proclaimed hate for them unlike the Red Skull who doesn’t have any qualms about referring to himself as a Nazi.
>>83287640
This
People just want Marvel to fail.
>>83287653
Also Madame Hydra, Kraken, and other Hydra members aren't Nazis so Hydra being a Nazi organization makes shit sense even if writers like Spencer and Remender started suddenly cramming Neo Nazis like Sin and Crossbones into the group and former ones like Helmut.
Hell Remender had a Latino and black woman join Hydra.
>>83287077
>Source: The annals of my anus
How about you look up the sales yourself and see how pathetic non Star Wars or number 1s comic sales are.
>Because literally nothing they could do, even a controversial storyline involving a highly public and highly publicized event, could get them sales anymore.
They could write good comics and not be antagonistic against the only people who will ever buy floppies.
>>83285127inb4 casuals asking who he is
>>83285667
LOL, suck it Simonfags. No one cares about your Golden Age sadist soldier. Lee created the Cap everyone knows and loves.
>>83284725
This, Cap is also one of the characters that is near and dear to him so you have to do something like Fury strangling another characyer with their intestines levels of bad for Stan to get triggered (which Ennis did and Fury is the other character that is sacred for Stan and he got mad about it).
Stan Lee basically popularized the whole "shocking ending, read the next comic to find out!"
>>83287899
Lee and Kirby via Marvel Method.
But Stan is the one that had the shield throw idea so he contributed a big deal to Cap.
>>83283593
What I love about this is SJWs were using him as an example of why Hydra Cap was bad, "he's a Jewish creator, he fought Nazis in WWII, he wrote Cap, this is an insult to him!" But when he says he's OK with it suddenly "Fuck that white man!"
Unbelievable.
>>83288183
I said it in another thread but it's literally just a case of NOT MUH being argued under the guise of SJW logic. They don't actually care about that stuff in this context. They are only using it as an argument.
Same thing happened with Grayson on a smaller scale. No one is actually against sexualizing Dick; they love cropping ass panels and shit. They only did it because they hated the status quo and wanted people to agree with them.
>>83288072
>Lee and Kirby via Marvel Method.
That's fair. Kirby would have laid out that page and the visual storytelling for that page before Lee filled in the dialogue. I guess I just really love what Lee did with the dialogue here. It's heroic in a slightly cheesy way, but it's still kind of a "Democracy! Fuck yeah!" moment. From what I've seen, Simon's Cap mostly just seems to spout action one liners.
>>83288072
You should give some credit to Don Heck too. Kirby was the artist for Cap's solo stories, but barely touched him in The Avengers. And honestly, Avengers wasn't very good when Kirby was still on it.
>>83286347
>>83287653
Fun fact: Hydra is all Doctor Doom's fault. 1940s Strucker followed Doctor Doom through a time portal to the present day, where he read some history books and found out the Third Reich was doomed. Doom let him go back to the past, convinced Strucker could do nothing to hurt him. Back in the past Strucker reformed Hydra and prepared for Hitler's inevitable defeat, feigning to still be loyal to the Nazi party (the Red Skull apparently saw through it though).
>>83287747
>How about you look up the sales yourself and see how pathetic non Star Wars or number 1s comic sales are.
If >>83287068 is right, it's doing pretty good.
>>83288276
>I said it in another thread but it's literally just a case of NOT MUH being argued under the guise of SJW logic.
Aw, they're becoming like real fans! That's so cute.
>>83288317
>Avengers wasn't very good when Kirby was still on it.
It wasn't too bad, but I'll agree it took off with the Lee/Heck ones.
>>83287653
>Also it has the only comic were Red Skull is leading Hydra before Spencer made him co opt it.
Kind of weird when you think about it. Red Skull has been associated with Hydra in so many movies, tv shows, cartoons, videogames and toys that it's the kind of thing people assume is the case in the comics as well.
>>83288183
>>83288303
Are any of Cap's Golden Age stories worth reading? I got started in comics with Tales of Suspense when it had a lot of stories with him sitting around Avengers mansion recalling his WW2 adventures and have always wanted to check out more of his stuff set in that time.
>>83287653
>I mean Strucker is most likely racist as fuck and has some other fascist beliefs
He isn't as racist anymore, but yeah still a fascist
>>83288413
Zemo too, to a degree. I'm pretty sure I heard some complaints about movie Zemo not being HYDRA, but he really had very little connection to HYDRA historically. He's a leader now, but it's a very recent development. I think they must have been thinking of Avengers EMH.
>>83288511
I'm working through them right now. They're alright. There's some interesting examples of pretty creative paneling, considering how early this was. Nothing stands out majorly.
>>83285997
they can use captain hydra for a secret invasion adaptation
>>83288586
I think it's more that Zemo is very much tied into the Nazis and because people now think HYDRA is Nazis they see an imagined connection there.
>>83285997
>they're all planning on buying the next few issues because they're pissed off and confused and want to know more.
See, this shit is exactly why we need torrenting. People need a way to see what stupid shit is going on without feeding into anything they don't actually want to support.
Casuals need to figure this out, because if this keeps working, they'll keep doing it.
>>83288586
So who was Zemo's wife? Melissa?
>>83288323
I like how Doom is wearing the same outfit he wore in his first appearance.
>>83283674
Stan must have taken the soul of some writer to buy him a few more years.
>>83288821
>Melissa
Songbird? I don't think so.
>>83288413
>>83288586
I guess because they can't market Nazis to kids and it's easier to make those characters into Hydra which they can market in tshirts and other stuff.
Also Germany wouldn't block crap with Hydra.
>>83288793
Remender is the one who made him Hydra in the comics but years ago before that, on Twitter Mark Waid asked if Zemo was in Hydra and Nicieza said something along the lines of years of Zemo characterization would be thrown to waste if that was true.
Also I guess he knows about how Spencer handles him.
>>83283593
My guess? Steve Rogers joined a "good" version of Hydra back in the 20s, but then Imperial Japan and later Strucker hijacked it and corrupted it. Steve is trying to bring Hydra back to its glort days.
>>83289052
Doesn’t excuse him throwing Jack Flag off a helicopter if that's the case.
>>83289099
>Implying Steve doesn't know that Jack will surely survive it somehow
>>83289052
MAKE HYDRA GREAT AGAIN
I'm glad Stan Lee is still alive even at 100 years old.
>>83289038
Actually, Brubaker is the one that made him Hydra.
And earlier that that Zemo had dealings with Strucker.
>>83283593
his hair's going back from gray to brown and he's fucking glowing. we need to save the writers that are left, Stan's hunger is insatiable.
>>83288510
>YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE
>>83289038
>literally no one but Busiek and Nicieza will write Zemo well
why do I live in such a cruel world
>>83287899
wtf happened with the backgrounds of the original picture?
I really don't care about the opinion of a businessman.
If only we could find out what Captain America's creator thought of this.
>>83289703
Jack Kirby drew like 5 books a month. He had to cut corners somewhere.
>>83289751
A friend of Kirby said he would have been pissed off
>>83287887
>Batman originally killed people as a pulp hero.
>NO, TIMES CHANGE, HE DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE ANYMORE
>Hydra were originally just bad guys who could go up against SHIELD
>WELL I'm really happy they're sticking to the source material
???
>>83286444
bendis is constantly wrong in his own books, he lacks continuity and consistency.
>>83283740
It's easier to do in the books because the story lines have never been consistent or particularly coherent in the first place.
If things happened in the movies, people would shit themselves if there's no set-up for it. Sam or Bucky becoming Cap could work, but we know too much from Caps perspective to see him be HYDRA in the MCU-- unless he goes to /pol/ and decides to join in the future. He couldn't possibly already be. Thor becoming Jane also wouldn't work with the MCU hammer. She could become worthy to lift the hammer, but no "Thor" transformation. The audience would think it's ridiculous, because why would it happen? If Jane wasn't so poorly written, I could see it being a fun story.
>>83286381
A broken clock is right twice a day
>>83289172
Partnership is not the same as being in the oeganization like when Zemo teamed up with Sin but told her he only did necause he owed her something and he had an honor system.
>>83287899
i love how he uses both sides of the shield
once side for bouncing shit off and the other for taking hits but keeping it in place.
>smart
>>83289135
He sure seemed very upset about having to throw him, if he knew he was going tonsurvive he wouldn't be as mopey.
>>83288042
No he didn't.
>>83283740
All the movie onlys are upset about Hydra Cap because they think it's going to happen in the movies.
If it actually does, I'm pretty sure Tumblr and Twitter would blow up and Marvel would be getting a lot of backlash from those fucking cunts.
>>83284562
HYDRA was a straight-up ripoff of SPECTRE. Lee and Kirby introduced it when they decided to turn Nick Fury into James Bond.
Steranko later added Baron Strucker to HYDRA and it became more Nazi, but it didn't really become a Nazi analogue full-blown until the movie used HYDRA (because it's become un-PC to use Nazis as villains in family movies).
>>83293064
I think the inability to use straight-up Nazis was a big weakness of the first Cap movie. The guy is supposed to be fighting Nazis with swastikas the way Indiana Jones did.
It's not a problem in WINTER SOLDIER but it weakened the WWII stuff considerably.
>>83283593
Stan Lee didn't start writing the character until 23 years after the character's debut. His opinion means as much as any other Marvel employee who coincidentally was working for the company at the time.
>>83293149
But he did co-create HYDRA.
>>83283593
>a hack shills a hack idea
>>83293149
And he also revised a lot of Captain America into what we understand him to be today.
>asking Stan "The Company Man" Lee what he thinks about a decision Marvel has made
>>83293279
Have there been any creators who thought this kind of story was out of bounds?
I watched Andrew Wheeler throw a tantrum on Twitter because comic creators "closed ranks" against the people who felt hurt by this twist. I don't know if he's too dumb to have considered the possibility that that's because no one could be legitimately hurt by this.
>>83293377
The people going "WHAT WOULD JACK KIRBY SAY" should ask Jim Steranko if Kirby objected to his making Baron Strucker the head of HYDRA.
>>83293064
Hydra was axis based in hick warriors
>>83293377
I rolled my eyes at all the "People just want you to listen to their pain" comments because they don't want anyone to listen and then disagree, they want to be agreed with.
He also though OMD was a good idea
Stan just loves everything about comic books. I wish I had his optimism
Of course he's going to pretend to like it while it's happening. Stan does this all the time. He pretended to like Fant4stic too, then trashed it after it failed even though he never saw it in the first place.
>>83293490
>Stan just loves everything about comic books. I wish I had his optimism
He's said he hasn't read any Marvel books for a decade or so and now can't physically do it because of his deteriorating eyesight. So he's kind of avoiding the shit that comics have become.
>>83293149
False. Stan wrote a prose story in his third or so issue. It was the first thing Stan wrote for comics, and the first time someone had Cap famously throw his shield.
>>83293585
I wonder which comics he has read since he stepped down as editor? Probably not many. He did apparently read MARVELS, maybe a few others that are direct tributes to his work. And in the '70s when he was publisher he probably read stuff occasionally.
But I doubt he knows much about the franchises who were radically changed, like X-Men and Daredevil. You could always tell how lost he was when someone would interview him about '80s and '90s X-Men.
Marvel SJWriters trotting out Stan Lee's approval at this shit story. They should respect the Carol Danvers' costume that Stan liked too and bring it back.
>We [Cockrum and Stan Lee] went round and round about Ms. Marvel’s costume, too. Remember she started with a female version of Captain Marvel’s costume only with an open belly, and we all bitched about that because none of us could figure a rationale for it. So they closed the belly opening, but we said, ‘No, she needs another costume.’ We hassled Stan about it for so long that he said, ‘All right! If you think you’re so smart, design a new one.’ And I must have gone through 50 designs! Some of ‘em I would xerox and try out in different colors, and Stan would go, ‘No, no, no, no! Get that out of here.” Finally I did the one with the lightning bolt and sash, and I took it to Stan who said, ‘That’s what you should have done from the start! That’s what I like: Shiny leather and tits & ass!”
>>83293715
This anecdote has increased my estimation of '70s Stan.
>>83293715
fake
>>83287452
This
>>83293836
Nope it's real, but it's old.
>>83293836
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2014/03/14/comic-book-legends-revealed-462/2/
>>83287452
>The Joker
Don't you mean a Joker?
>>83294010
>thinking the three jokers thing is going to stick even past the end of rebirth
>>83285997
You can pull this shit in comics,because comic readers have sheep tendencies.
Pull this kind of ass-pull in a movie and audiences won't tolerate such retardedness.
I believe this Hydra Membership card belongs to you, Captain America!
>>83293064
>cut off a limb, and two more shall take its place
They really should make Greek mythology mandatory learning for HYDRA agents.
>>83286070
>JoJo
Do you mean the "to be continued" thing or just JoJo stuff in general?
>>83283674
Here's an undoctored photo.
>>83286854
DC never killed Booster Gold though. In fact i dont think they killed any mainline characters in the new 52.
>>83293102
Yeah but Marvel wants to sell toys and have the movie shown in Germany.
I guess this shit Cap movie had Nazis
https://youtu.be/Km09WyWT84c
>>83295845
They made the Skull Italian in that one.
>>83293149
>>83293637
http://the-stan-lee-wikia.wikia.com/wiki/%28Issue_3%29_Captain_America_Foils_the_Traitor's_Revenge
>>83283593
I love stan lee, he likes change. He even praised one more day for keeping things fresh and new. Hes completely right as well, no matter the hatred something gets, if it's changing the formula its good. Nothing can stay the same for long or people get bored.
>>83296008
That he does and it's probably why he manages a remarkably good rapport with people 50+ years younger than him; he's never been a grumpy back in the good old days guy who thinks comic books shouldn't evolve past the Eisenhower years.
Hydra Cap isn't the same as 616 Captain America, the 616 is dead. The new one is from a different universe.
Has Stan Lee ever had anything negative to say about Marvel?
Or anything in general, really.
>>83285524
That was Golden Age Joker, though.
>>83296008
>He even praised one more day for keeping things fresh and new.
Isn't One More Day's entire fucking problem that it brought things back to the status quo for Spiderman?
>>83293102
I hate that too. They didn't use to do that. Even in the animated shows they referred to Nazis like Spider-Man, X-Men, and X-Men Evolution. They did have a weird thing where they didn't show the swastika and replaced it with various other logs though. But now they're flat-out replaced. Even in EMH, which I loved, replaced the Nazis with Hydra and implied they were the only people the US was at war with.
>>83296338
Yes
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Fantastic-Four-Failed-According-Stan-Lee-80497.html
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Stan-Lee-Reveals-Some-Surprising-Details-About-His-Deadpool-Cameo-134027.html
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Stan-Lee-Reveals-Which-Marvel-Movies-He-Didn-t-Really-Like-32659.html
He actually bitches more than he praises
>>83283593
I'm going to miss Stan...
>>83285282
And on that same page, Joker said he thought that was just a disguise.
>>83286444
It's the man that tends to cause continuity issues with his FF.NET writing.
>>83296326
This is still 616, Anon. Secret Wars changed nothing. This is because of Standoff if anything
>>83296008
while I'd say your pretty close to the mark in how he likes to do things, Stan has another role.
To support marvel and whatever they do.
He's the ambassador of the company.
The smiling face of comics.
Even not working in any official capacity, he still gets 1 million from them.
That's his salary for life.
Hell of a deal if you can get it.
As a result, it's in his best interest to always be enthusiastic about what marvel does and remember to say excelsior afterwards.
So, while I think you're right about his philosophy on comics, it doesn't mean he's fully aware of the details because he's commenting on it nor is it an opinion that comes impartially.~
More likely marvel have bumped a request to Stan to retweet support for this idea.
>>83296777
different anon, but related to what you were answering.
I was kinda hoping this was some legacy of Ultimate cap that was playing out.
either this part of that characters history was rolled into 616 cap during the recreation of the universe.
I could believe ultimate cap being a double agent given some of the stuff he did.
much harder time believing it of 616 cap given the amount of times he was a fulcrum that thwarted hydra or plans hydra would have wanted to see come to fruition.
>>83297107
That would imply Secret Wars was a CoIE type event when it's just 616 recreated along with some refugees (Miles added as a permanent addition but besides that, they are refugees, even OML). We already seen stuff recently that would imply mindfuckery or something and everyone is freaking out over clickbait.
>>83283593
Are we in a worse age than the Rob Liefeld days?
>>83296338
Quite a bit actually.
He didn't support the Heroes Reborn idea and felt it was to close to DCs "infinite redo's" and felt it comprised what made Marvel what it was.
He really dislike how the Ben Riley/clone saga feeling that it was to much a cop out to just keep Peter married but have a single Spider-man, stated he never understood why Spider-man needed to be single when that was his life for 30 years and any stories you could do with that had been done and used up.
Finally another big moment he bitch about was Secret Wars 2 feeling it was just a sell out idea that had no legs other than to turn a profit on the first one and to him that was shameless for Marvel (irony intensifies)
>>83297886
Also he thought black Spiderman was stupid.
>>83298712
And said making straight characters gay is dumb and shouldn't be done.
>>83298712
"It's ridiculous. I have nothing against including a black or an Asian or whatever character, but Spiderman is white and that's what we created him to be. If they want a black superhero, they should create an original one. I'll even do it myself."
>>83298925
I blame the issue with the female vblogger getting all... you know, about the black skin.
>>83293715
Stan is great. Marvel should listen to keep his ideas.
>>83283593
He has a point, commercially it is a good idea.
>>83299732
Nah. I don't think he likes it. I heard he was going to denounce it, but Marvel editorial begged him not to.
>>83299829
Here's the thing....the idea could have developed into an amazing story. But now with all the public outcry, I have a feeling the writers will be forced to pull back on it. Which will leave it in that terrible, middle ground area. Where a story neither reaches it's peak nor a major pitfall. It just ends up....forgettable.
If Cap is a double agent why hasn't he acted before now? Hydra could have ruled the world multiple times by now if he hadn't fought against them. What sort of end goal makes sense for him to be undercover this whole time?
>>83299972
He's not a double agent.
He's being MIND CONTROLLED!
"I'm always slightly nonplussed when I see these young guys who've just been hired by Marvel come up to me excitedly and say how thrilled they are to write for Spiderman. I always say 'Well, why do you want to write for my characters so badly?' When I was a kid, I loved Superman and Batman, but I didn't write stories for them. Instead, I created Spiderman and the Incredible Hulk."
t. Stan is not a fan of fanfiction
>>83300301
I like his attitude. Make your own generations heroes rather than milk and whore the old ones.
They imply Cap has been with Hydra since childhood but if the Nazi's made Hydra then how are there Nazis when Steve was just a child?
>>83300199
not mind controlled, fake memoried
it's different because he still has free will
>>83296411
One more day's problem was that it killed the MJ and peter marriage that people loved. It also was horribly out of character for peter
>brought up on with great power comes great responsibility
>aunt may gets shot because of him
>instead of letting her die and moving on he sells his soul to the devil and guilt trips MJ to agreeing with him
It was fucking awful.
>>83300363
They didn't, they predate them by thousands of years
>>83299929
>But now with all the public outcry, I have a feeling the writers will be forced to pull back on it.
Like that time with Superior spider-man? oh wait.
By the way I liked Superior Spider-Man, it was honestly the last time I genuinlly enjoyed a Marvel property.
About Cap Hydra... I don't care for it.
Well if Cap its now a Hydra member, Comics are manga...
>>83285362
I don't think he was comfortable with his villainy being put on a pedestal, as if he was 'merely' being a good soldier on behalf of Germany, instead of a terrible criminal who happens to live in America.
Plus, implications of nationalism or racism are something not even he has the balls to joke about, especially if it'd detract the public's attention from his other antics that he'd actually want to be made the center of controversies.
>>83283872
god damn it i haven't had a chance to see the movie yet
spoiler your shit.
>>83302201
At least he didn't spoil the subplot of how Black Widow is carrying the Thanos' baby
>>83302378
I was going to say "The Scarlet Witch" but then I remembered it was a cover story
>>83283593
Read it in his voice.
God damn it.
>>83283726
>Stan Lee
>Knowing anyhing about writing
Agree or disagree... but you have to respect his opinion. Stan's a living legend.
>>83306509
this
>if you don't like publicity stunt #280 then you're a SJW
I see that marvel marketers are getting smarter.