>Watchmen is too cynical, it made superheroes grim and gritty!!
>I like _____
>Rorschach is meant to be in the wrong!!!!
>Rorschach was right.
>>83279592
>Ozymandias was right
>>83279535
>Batman V Superman is so loyal to the source material (which they think is DKR)
>Watchmen is the best comic book I have ever read.
>you have to have the exact same opinions I do to be considered a ~*~*true comic fan*~*~
>>83279535
>WAYS TO SPOT SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T READ COMICS
They're on /co/
>>83279535
>White men make good superheroes
>>83279706
>Watchmen is not the best comic book I have ever read (when the person saying this is thinking of other superhero comics)
>Company X is better than Company Y
>>83279774
>I think Watchmen is the best superhero comic Alan Moore madethe correct answer would be Swamp Thing
>>83279837
>Alan Moore's Swamp Thing is a superhero comic
>>83279853
He was in CoIE, I'll count it.
>>83279853
>A non traditional superhero comic isn't a superhero comic
Look another one
>#saynotohydracap
>>83279903
>a comic that is obviously a horror comic and didnt even follow CCA is a non traditional superhero comic
>I like DC
>I like Marvel
>>83279930
Marvel didn't follow CCA as time went on you fucking inbred. It had fucking Superman for god's sakes. Are you gonna say that Animal Man is also not a Super Hero Comic?
>WHY IS CAPTAIN AMERICA HYDRA NOW!?!?!?!?!
![suggestions].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NCPz88F.jpg "suggestions].jpg")
>>83279956
>Neither DC nor Marvel have ever published a worthy contribution to the medium
>I make threads about imaginary people who don't like my brand
>>83279963
Jimmy Corrigan has Superman in it, doesn't mean shit. Animal Man is obviously a superhero comic because most of the issues are about a superhero saving people and fighting bad guys.
>>83279930
>the CCA determines what is and isn't a superhero comic
Anon, he has powers and routinely saves people from threats and he went to Gotham to encounter Batman . That's a superhero comic.
>>83279785
>marvel and DC are the same!
>>83280025
anon, they didn't use the CCA because he wanted to write a horror comic, which was not really possible under the CCA.
The fact that he's in a universe with superheroes doesn't make it a superhero comic.
>>83279837
Incorrect, friendo. The answer you were looking for is Tom Strong.
>>83279569
This.
>>83280059
>Marvel and DC have not had runs from the same pool of creators throughout history with even the most notable Marvel creators such as Jack Kirby doing work for DC and even Geoff "I probably have DC tattooed on my chest" Johns writing for Marvel
>>83279535
>give Captain America a boyfriend
>>83280060
The fact he has super powers and saves people all the time makes it a superhero comic
>>83279956
>I'm an indiefag
>Daredevil isn't blind
>>83279956
>>83280126
>I like comics
>>83280105
no it doesn't, his powers are more often presented as uncanny / horrific than super. Both superhero comics and literary genres of horror owe A LOT to Romanticism and both of them have a tendency towards a heroic protagonist who wants to save people from harm.
>>83280126
>I'm not an indiefag
>I thought Persepolis was great
>>83280126
>Anyone who appreciates the whole medium instead of just the mass marketed bits with costumes and punching and movie tie-ins is A FUCKIN INDIEFAG
>Sandman is overrated
>Batman is the strongest superhero in comic history
>>83280154
I got another one
>I like this story so it can't be a superhero story
>Norman Osbourne
>Lex Luther
>Louise Lane
>>83279569
>>83279592
>>83279643
I honestly don't know anymore
>>83280190
>Sandman isn't overrated despite the majority of the run having terrible art
>>83279535
>>83279569
>>83279592
>>83279643
Watchmen has sloppy writing. No one has superpowers, but everyone can punch with atomic strength.
Not even Batman is as strong as the average Watchman.
>>83280176
I read Hellboy once and maybe one ther comic in my life, I'm such an indiefag that apreciatte the medium.
>Moore is the best writer on the comics industry
>>83280236
The gif doesn't show anything super human tho.
>>83280298
>The only non-cape comic I can name is Hellboy, which is literally a cape comic but with more black magic and less bright costumes.
oh my
>>83280126
>>83279956
>I like DC
>I like Marvel
I believe anon was speaking towards brand loyalty. That's almost always the case with a non-comicbook reader.
>My favorite comic book character is Deadpool
>My favorite comic book character is Harley Quinn
>>83280327
>Moore is not at least in the running for best writer ever hired by the big 2
>>83279535
>Hydra is a Nazi organization
>>83280236
That's the movie though.
>>83280375
desu they are actually right, marvel is obviously heading in that direction for movie synergy
I cant tell what's ironic and what isn't anymore
ANyways it's pretty obvious when they start speaking whteher they read comics or just read wiki
>>83280236
>moviefags attempting to discuss the comic
As you can see, this thread solidly confirms that /co/ never reads comics.
>[live action movies]
>>83280349
>I will say that the conversation was about capeshit and not indiefag X big 2.
Only the most pathetically reactionary fanboys would be capable of shitting on a good writer like Moore because he hurt their feelings by either refusing to make more DC comics or reminding them that the comics industry as a whole has mistreated creators. So yes, obviously not a casual opinion.
>>83280360
>deadpool isn't more developed, deep and have proportionally better stories than most characters on the medium.
>>83280236
>Watchmen is the best superhero movie and an accurate adaptation of the comic
>things like "bad concepts" and "bad characters" actually exist.
>some concepts and characters are inherently bad.
>its not the WRITTER skill that makes it a good story, its the concept and the character.
It's unbeliavable how people here can be so fucking stupid.
>"YOU JUST DON'T GET IT"
>I don't read comics
>>83280154
>>83280105
Have you even seen a movie that's both science fiction and a thriller?
It's a superhero comic and a horror comic. Hyphenate to your own liking.
>Rorschach is supposed to be a completely unlikable, monster of a person
No trolling, I hate it when people say this.
Colossus is stronger than both the Thing and Hulk because he is made of metal.
>>83280154
>doesn't know what is and isn't a superhero comic
>>83279535
>Superman is a boring alien
>Batman is the least interesting thing about it
>Aquaman is a joke
>Peter Parker is a nice person
>Hal Jordan is the original Green Lantern
>Barry is the original Flash
>>83280398
in the MCU hydra wasnt nazi's
its 1000's of years old because of the whole hive thing in AOS
>>83280220
>Matt Murdoch
>Tobey was the better Peter, Andrew was the better Spider-Man
>Organic webshooters > Mechanical webshooters
>Peter met Harry and MJ in high school
>Peter is supposed to be this depressed nerd who cries at everything
>Who the hell is Liz Allen/Gwen Stacy/Felicia Hardy?
>They should have Miles in the MCU!
>>83280637
this is true, but most people who like Deadpool and Harley Quinn are edgy 16-year-olds trying to be "so guirky n randumb :--DDD" and you know it's true.
Deadpool isn't even nearly as funny anymore
>>83281047
Even more casual would be "Wally is the original Flash."
>>83280473
This. The normal telltale sign is their lack of knowledge on creators. They talk about what the characters have done, but not who wrote and/or drew the arcs.
>TDK is the best thing about comics
someone actually said this to me and it almost made me cry
>>83281159
>Did you hear about Killer Croc being in the Amazing Spider-man movie? What do you think of the chances of Batman making a cameo in it?
WHY IS CAPTAIN AMERICA IN HYDRA, THIS WILL SURELY RUIN HIS CHARACTER FOREVER AND WON'T BE FORGOTTEN BY THE TIME THE NEXT WRITER TAKES HIM UP
>>83281159
This, being a Deadpool fan is suffering because everyone instantly assumes you're one of those "lel chimichangas!!!! xdddd" guys
>>83279535
>I don't read comics
>>83280727
This, this so much
>>83279742
/thread
>>83281252
It's hard to be upset about cape comics when it's just going to be done and forgotten in a year or so, just like superior spider-man. But who knows, they're probably trying to de-fame him so the Falcon can be the true Captain America or some shit.
Marvel has been forcing a lot of shit lately.
>Mouse Guard? Sounds like not the best thing ever.
There's nothing wrong in liking a character without reading their comics.
>>83279742
>>83281266
/thread
>Neonomicon is awful!
>>83281318
I read comics and EPIC BADASS KICKASS ANIMALS are always cringeworthy. No thanks.
>>83280727
This, but also..
The worst are the people WHO READ COMICS but are completely retarded and autistic regarding it.
>characterfags
>waifufags
These are the ones shitting on the industry.
>>83281050
AOS is not the MCU
>>83280727
what is this supposed to mean?
are you trying to say that any shitty premise can be good if written correctly?
>>83281499
Nothing wrong with liking a character and wanting to read about him.
>>83280978
>God is a superhero
>Jesus is a superhero
>Mike from twin peaks is a superhero
shut up 2bh
>>83281634
When you buy the book(s) regardless of quality there is.
>>83281669
God and Jesus aren't superheroes because they're real.
>>83279535
>The Fantastic Four suck except for Thing, but I hope it'll get to the MCU so that Doom can be on the big screen!
>>83281738
so is vladimir putin doesn't mean hes not a fictional character in this comic
>>83281047
>>Superman is a boring alien
>>Batman is the least interesting thing about it
>>Aquaman is a joke
>>Hal Jordan is the original Green Lantern
>>Barry is the original Flash
Add something normy about Diana and J'onn and it'll look like DC wanted to shoot themselves in both legs when they created Justice League of America.
>Superman is boring
>Batman beats superman because of kryptonite
>Batman beats superman, just check TDKR
>Wally is black
>>83281150
>Who the hell is Gwen Stacy
Dude, people LOVE Gwen Stacy. They think MJ is the bland one since TAMS.
>>83281047
Hal Jordan isn't the original Green Lantern?
>>83281811
>J'onn loves chips ahoy
pic related for WW.
>>83281176
You're saying this because you thought Barry was the original Flash didn't you?
>>83281874
You're not serious, are you? Alan Scott's costume was ABAP.
>>83281923
Perfect.
WORST TEAM EVER.Unless Morrison writes it.
>>83281943
No, I think Jay Garrick is cool. It's more casual because Wally was The Flash in JLU.
>>83281783
but is putin a superhero?
>I can't relate to DC characters compared to Marvel characters.
>Superman is boring.
>>83282025
>Spider-Man is the most relatable character
>>83280637
>>83281159
>you can't do a Deadpool film without an R rating and 4th wall breaking
Anyone trying to show off their power level at movies.
I usually hear some dumb shit that way. I heard one person say Zemo is supposed to be Scorpion
>>83282002
Yes
He did save the Russian economy after all
>>83282025
>I can't relate to DC characters compared to Marvel characters.
Well DC characters ARE more heroic, so this makes sense if the person is a degenerate.
>I don't like Gwenpool!
deadpool is the best superhero movie. I love the humor
>>83280236
Whats that?
Snyder did something retarded? Must be a regular day.
>>83279535
Aquaman is so dumb! I've read some comics and all he does is talk to fish!
>>83281047
how is Pete not a nice person?
>>83281943
no, because most casuals think Wally is the original Flash because of DCAU
>>83282325
who the fuck said this? Snyder? What in the actual fuck?
>Batman can beat anybody if you just give him prep time :-----DDDD
>>83282325
i think snyder and gordon would get along
>They made Cap a nazi!
>>83279535
>Needs more empowering diversity
>>83282616
>my Jewish grandma got heart attack when she learned Cap is Nazi!
>>83282621
>give Iceman solo book
>I'm going to create a thread because I'm ass blasted my corporate owned superhero comic, that ended with the idea that nothing ever ends, didn't end.
Cry me a river you people are sad and that's coming from an attention seeking tripfag.
>>83279877
Jonah Hex was in CoIE. Also a battalion from a war comic.
>>83282654
>being so assblasted that people expect artistic integrity, you post about it in a totally unrelated thread
>>83282721
Are you so dense you can't understand this is a Rebirth reaction?
>Marvelfags
Even worse
>I pay money to stream 480p content fags
>>83282654
>Watchmen ended with nothing ever ends
thats a good one!
>>83281150
>>Tobey was the better Peter, Andrew was the better Spider-Man
But this is one-hundred percent true. Tobey's 'lovable idiot' motif fit well with the style of the films he was in, but his Spider-Man was underwhelming compared to the performance of the villains. Andrew's "I'm a skater dude AND a nerd" motif is a corporate myth, no real nerd is like that - but his Spider-Man was old Ultimate levels of snarky and fun-loving, and I personally think that's great.
>>83281405
...but it is?
>>83280013
That isn't in my copy of Jimmy Corrigan. Fucking hell.
>>83280175
Persepolis was damn good. But the best comic named after a city is Pyongyang.
>>83282930
>Andrew's "I'm a skater dude AND a nerd" motif is a corporate myth, no real nerd is like that
I don't know where you live to think this
I'm sure Sony execs forced them to add that to make him 'cooler' though
>>83280370
>Ostrander
>Gaiman
>Gardner Fox
>Ennis
He's really not.
>>83283166
>I don't know where you live to think this
on planet Earth
You should send us a postcard from where you live if you know nerds who are also skater dudes.
>I'm sure Sony execs forced them to add that to make him 'cooler' though
probably
>>83279569
>>83279592
>>83279643
All of these are actually correct. But the one who doesn't understand what the fuck he's talking about is the one who can't explain how he came up with this conclusion.
He must explain his stance on"necessary"evil for the greater good, on people who don't compromise, on Rorscharch's hypocrisy.
>>83282930
I'll agree that the sad, depressed Peter worked for Raimi's films, but people who insist that's what Peter has always been like have never picked up a Spider-Man comic in their lives.
>>83281047
>John Stewart is the best Green Lantern
I'd heavily disagree with best human GL too, but that's more subjective.
>>83282938
No, it's hilariously shit.
>>83279930
Superheroes wasn't invented by comics.
Characters like Heracles, Achilles, and even fucking Jesus qualifies as superheroes.
>>83281159
>Deadpool isn't even nearly as funny anymore
eh that's not true
>>83280236
>clearly hasn't read the comic
That is one of my biggest gripes with the movie, the fights were so over-the-top (esp. the opening scene with the Comedian). That is Snyder's doing, anon, not Moore's.
>>83283107
its from acme novelty library #1, the story isn't on the same size pages as the rest of Jimmy Corrigan and some elements of the story don't fit properly with the other issues so they left it out of the collected edition but its well worth reading.
>>83283196
He is better than Ostrander, Gaiman and Ennis. I have never read anything by Gardner Fox except for Flash of Two Worlds so I can't comment on him.
>>83280236
>Not even Batman is as strong as the average Watchman.
>>83283510
not true, a superhero has to have superpowers (or some exceptional skill) and a costume. you can't just conflate the classical hero with superheroes, that's retarded.
>>83280957
But he IS both of those things.
>>83283888
I guess it stupid to argue something so subjective. Can we at least agree they're all really good? Also, nice numbers.
>Funko Pop
>>83284094
Yeah they're all good but I think that Ennis has a handful of average comics to his name, Demon for example.
>>83283947
All of the ones I mentioned have superpowers and costumes.
>>83284254
no they dont
>>83284061
He's really not, though. On one hand, he's unstable, super right wing, and self destructive. Yet just as equally, despite his claims to the contrary, he values innocent lives and the city, he looks out for Dan's safety even if it's in a fucked up way, and he genuinely wants to make the world a safer place. Duality through hypocrisy is a key part of his character; he IS the black and white.
His backstory is just the icing on the cake, and it puts his behavior into further perspective. Is he unstable? Yeah, unquestionably. Is he just a psycho with no redeeming qualities who we should find completely pathetic and awful? Hardly, and saying as much completely lessens the weight of his character.
If Moore intended him to be completely abhorrent, he did a shitty job. Doesn't help that, for all the claims of him being a vicious killer, we only ever see him go after irredeemable psychos barring the dude he actually stood Dan from killing in the bar because of how unnecessary it is (and barring the dude he throws down the elevator shaft because that's supposed to be darkly funny so w/e)
>>83279535
>Iron Man is a great character!
>>83284460
He also took sympathy on Moloch
>>83283855
There wasn't nothing inhumanly impossible about those fights.
>>83284157
Well, yeah, that's true for everyone. Personally, I strongly disliked Lost Girls and Neonomicon.
>>83284460
How to spot /pol/:
>R-Rorschach is deep and grey I-I swear!
>Hail Hydra? Cap would never do that, he's ruined forever!
>>83284353
Heracles definitely does (lion cloak, demigodhood), Jesus arguably does (pure white cloak, variety of miracles), Achilles has the powers (invincibility) but I don't know if he had a distinctive costume.
>Punisher isn't compelling enough to be a lead character
>>83284784
we get it, you haven't read watchmen
>>83284796
>Jesus arguably does (pure white cloak, variety of miracles)
Reality warpers are literally trash.
>>83284698
comedian punches a hole in a wall right at the start
>>83284796
Heracles was still Heracles before he killed the lion, whereas Superman or Batman are just Clark and Bruce without their outfits. For Superman especially the outfit is more important than the powers.
>>83284931
Yeah, but what religion doesn't have those? Taoism, I guess, but that's really more of a philosophy.
>>83285015
You're not wrong, but it still has that iconic quality. I see a man with a lion's cloak and a club and I think Heracles, just like the "S" makes me think of Supes.
>>83284936
Nigga, that is actually easy.
Seriously, just search on YouTube. Hell, I saw people accidently making the same with their heads.
That is "strong man" tier, not super human.
>>83283166
>>83284902
>I am a right wing apologist.
>>83285239
i am right wing, there is literally nothing wrong with having values
>>83285239
Here's your (you).
>>83284784
How to spot someone who's never read Watchmen:
>Rorschach's a s-shittier Punisher all of these characters are s-so one-note right that was Lord Moore's intention r-r-right........
>>83285239
>implying being right wing is bad
>implying being left wing is bad
Hi I'm a moderate
I'm here to remind you that you need to hang yourself because it's no longer legal for me to do it for you
>>83279643
>implying he wasn't
>>83285654
N O T H I N G
E V E R
E N D S
A D R I A N
>Bane?
>>83279535
>X-Men should be in their own universe away from the rest of Marvel.
>>83285952
Kill yourself.
Only way it's acceptable is if Marvel went to Fox
>>83285993
What does Fox have to do with it? He's talking in comics.
>Image? Dark Horse? What's that?
>>83281590
Yes, most heroes have bad, stupid, or just overused premises. But almost all of then have at least one good run
Never blame the tools, just see what you can do with it
>>83281590
Obviously.
>>83279535
>i like comics because they are smart
>i like comics because they are dumb
>Comics are a genre
>Graphic novels, HQ's, Manga, sequencial art, indie
>>83285258
>"hurr durr obumma's gonna take muh guns and make mah son touch pee pees with another boy"
>>83285654
If he was really being the noble hero willing to do the evil to bring peace, he should have made the sacrifice himself, set himself up as some mad scientist super-villain for the world to unite against instead of creating some fictional alien race which would fall apart the moment everyone realized that there were, in fact, no aliens.
> Black Hole is deep and meaningful.
>>83289666
You again?
>>83279535
>WAYS TO SPOT SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T READ COMICS
>hey do you read the comics?
>no
It's pretty easy.
>"Mageneto is such a tragic hero!"
>>83280140
Came here to poast this toobeehonest famalam
>>83279535
Miller was the best/worst thing ever
>>83279742
/thread
>>83279742
underrated
>>83283208
Where the fuck are YOU from that skating is still cool?
>>83290067
But that's correct.
>>83289666
>the devil's trips
But Black Hole is meaningful.
>>83280891
this.
jeeze anons are so pedantic
>>83285015
but clark and bruce still have all the skills of batman and superman. this is such a pedantic discussion, for fucks sake. They are superheroes even without costumes.
>>83281691
nah, there is something to be said for closure.
>>83283247
but that is how he originally was, people who think he has only ever been the snarky quippy guy have only red spidey post McFarlane
>>83294415
Meaning =/= blatant metaphors and Freudian imagery.
>Aquaman is lame!
Also
>Superman is lame!
