>It's no secret that Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice was massacred by critics on release. But what does franchise Oscar-winning star Jeremy Irons had to say about it? When confronted by the fact that his movie got a ruthless kicking by critics, he said, "Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed…" He went on to add, "It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear," offering some hope that the next DCEU film could perhaps be a littler better. As for what's in it for him he frankly said, "I’m tied into The Batman at the minute [the next instalment, Justice League Part One, is due next year], which is nice because it’s a bit of income… Not that I need a bit of income but it’s nice to keep ticking over."
Should stars of a movie be allowed to trash it if they didn't like it? With a big franchise like this, I don't think it's a good idea.
When you have the kind of cred Jeremy Irons has, yes, why shouldn't he? I liked BvS as a whole, but there is too many dumb decisions that were made.
Snyder absolutely needs someone to tell him "No, that's retarded" when he goes too far. He shouldn't even be in charge in the first place.
>>83278083
Yes they should. They are directly involved with production and their insight on what was happening at the time, what mood was during the production is very important. Especially hilarious when it's all fucked up, recordings of what was going on during the production of Phantom Menace is a god tier comedy material.
>>83278083
Why don't we just rape Zack Snyder?
>''Ben, you have to rape Snyder.''
>>83278083
>stars of a movie
he had a relatively small role in the entire scope of the movie
>>83278083
Source, OP?
>>83278276
He was also one of the few good parts in the movie.
>>83278083
We'll we get this in the DCEU?
>>83278083
>be allowed
Stars can say whatever the fuck they want about a movie after its release. They're not allowed to say anything before the movie's release because they have to promote it.It was too deep for Jeremy Irons, he doesn't understand capekino :^)
Sure. If something you've been working on turns out to be bad for reasons beyond your involvement you should very well have the right to criticize it. I mean, if you're doing your best and putting a lot of hard work into it you have every right to call out other people for fucking up.
>>83278083
>Ben is slowly sinking into anger and darkness like Batman
>Leto is becoming an ABSOLUTE MADMAN as the Joker
>Irons calling them out on their shit like Alfred
the lines between the cast and the characters is blurringhypercrisis soon
>>83278298
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-star-jeremy-irons-says-movie-a142113
>>83278307
I remember triggered people going "Alfred is alcoholic!"
>>83278083
It's obvious Jeremy Irons doesn't understand the true kino that Snyder created.
>>83278317
>It was too deep for Jeremy Irons
The guy was in Inland Empire, one of the most confusingand bestmovies ever made.
>>83278342
Hi, Zack.
>>83278270
He probably realized he had more fun with Daredevil.
Irons doesn't give a fuck in general, really. He seems like a fun guy.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/25/chris-evans-radio-2-show-to-be-investigated-over-jeremy-irons-swearing
>>83278083
I only know this guy from the D&D movie so he shouldn't trash other movies, he should be happy he has work to begin with
>>83278324
Snyder & Ayer know how to pick em.
>>83278324
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>83278378
Underage please leave.
>>83278342
This.
One of the qualities of kinography is that you disregard everything for your own vision.
Zack Snyder, like the genius he is, disregarded everything, even what the audience would want from a Batman vs Superman movie, to deliver his pure vision.
>>83278083
Actors from other Distributors, maybe.
But with Disney? Not a chance in hell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF4_4g1B2Ug
>>83278171
>When you have the kind of cred Jeremy Irons has, yes, why shouldn't he?
I agree with this. At this stage in his career, he shouldn't be in crap like this.
>>83278083
What's Irons talking about? He was apart of a spectacle. BvS was a solid 9/10, better than all of those repetitive MCU movies.
>Batman
>Alfred
>Beautiful cinematography
>Luthor's fantastic plan
>Wonder Woman
>Score
>Symbols and themes
>Warehouse fight
>Doomsday
The movie was the best thing since sliced bread.
>>83278431
Whedon has basically stated Age of Ultron was a mistake
>>83278459
>not the first post by this IP
Snyder pls.
>>83278083
Based Alfred
So Irons' opinion was bought by Disney.
>>83278083
Holy shit, Warner Brothers really does not give a single fuck how bad of a hack they put in charge of important projects.
>>83278504
The only person bribed by Disney was Snyder.
>>83278465
Yeah, I'd be disappointed too if my movie made a modest critical and box office success, oh yeah, what a fucking shitheap, Whedon.
Do you think most of the other actors on set knew it was gonna be a disaster as it was being filmed?
So he's not in JL1? Shit.
>>83278307
I'd watch an Alfred movie starring Irons.
>>83278465
& Disney answered appropriately.
>actors hate it
>critics hate it
>didn't live up to WB's standards
>DC responds by involving more beloved creative talent
So, what's next? I'm hype for Rebirth, maybe things will get better after Justice League. I'm waiting until whatever's coming after SS and JL to permanently disregard the DCEU.
>>83278508
Synder's not in charge anymore
SAVE US CEREAL KING
>>83278520
did you not just read the text?
>>83278519
I think when Snyder insisted on settling creative differences over push up competition it tipped some people off.
>>83278520
He's in, but Snyder will kill him.
He was in Dungeon's and Dragons
>>83278533
Whedon left
>"left"
Yeah
>>83278537
>>actors hate it
>>critics hate it
>>didn't live up to WB's standards
>>DC responds by involving more beloved creative talent
Bribes by Disney, the movie is good and there's nothing you can do to change it.
>>83278519
Only one of them.
I think you can see who in here.
So are we taking bets on Irons betraying everyone in Justice League? You know, like Judas.
>>83278483
>implying you can check that
>>83278324
Morrison pla
>>83278611
Poor Ben.
>>83278623
4chanX has a plugin that marks when a post is made by a new IP.
It doesn't associate posts to IPs, of course, but it just uses the same script 4chan uses with the IP counter.
Everytime a post ads a new IP to the counter, it marks that post.
>>83278611
>everyone laughing, looking at different places
>not Ben, he's just looking dead inside straight into the camera
>>83278083
I disagree with him on it being a deserved kicking, I think the critics were by far harshly negative without merit.
>>83278250
what a beautiful idea
>>83278083
>The script is certainly a lot smaller
For fuck's sake, it really was 4 hours long
>>83278083
He didn't exactly trash it. He acknowledged its shortcomings, that's not the same thing. It would be weird if he insisted that everything was superb after the reception the movie got.
But anyway, he was one of the best parts of the movie, so he can say whatever the fuck he wants as long as he still agrees to come back for the sequels.
>>83278378
>I only know this guy from the D&D movie
Just... how?
>>83278611
>he knew
>>83278171
>>83278234
While Kenneth Branagh didn't call Thor 'overstuffed' or say it didn't get anywhere near the reviews his other movies (many of which were nominated for BAFTAs, if not AMPAS awards) that those reviews were 'deservedly' received, he certainly has distanced himself from it - likewise, Anthony Hopkins has definitely dismissed doing any more work on Thor post TDW and it didn't sound like he was that into being in that sequel.
If Marvel and WB want to hire nominees and winners (which they do, when they hire people like Natalie Portman as a love interest, and Robert Redford as a villain, just to name a few examples), they should expect that those people might not 100% back the end product or talk it up after the fact (you don't see Redford trashing The Winter Soldier or Civil War, but [a] he rarely gives any kind of interviews unless he's doing promotion and even then he refuses to discuss anything other than what's he's promoting, but he's the rare bird), but when you are going to have a press that's going to ask, "what did you think of the bad reviews (or whatever)" you don't think they are going to soft-ball their response.
I think he was one of the best things in the movie, not just his performance, but the way it was written and how they used the character of Alfred and (in comparison to how the changed some canon aspects of other DC characters) how his role was modified from canon.
>>83278611
>you'll never beat that goofy smile off Snyder's face
>you'll never begin to beat him harder when he starts explaining the deep symbolism behind your punches breaking his nose
>>83278572
He is confirmed to be in The Batman
So he will be dead in that
>>83278611
>>83279066
Who's the one in the left.
>>83278831
Hopkins will be back for Ragnarok, seems like he changed his mind now.
He certainly didn't like working on Thor 2 and said he won't come back, but maybe he likes Waititi's ideas for Ragnarok and has more faith in this one turning out better.
>>83279066
>when the spin-offs become better than the main program.
>>83279066
Damn, Ruth looks exactly the same as in Superman Returns.
>>83279084
Caity Lotz, Sara in Arrow.
>>83278083
"Overstuffed and muddled" is a pretty kind way to put it, tbqh.
BvS was so bad, DC had to change logo to distance themselves from the shame.
>>83278270
JK Simmons pls
>>83278324
After seeing the movies, I was always impressed at how friendly, open, and positive Cavill came across in interviews and such.
I mean, part of that's just naturally how people act in interviews, but he just seems like he's amazing as Superman when he's not in costume.
>Ben's fw Suicide Squad wipes the floor with Dawn of Justice
>>83279198
Really, he always seems kind of aloof to me. Friendly but distant. I actually don't think he could play Clark with personal warmth, though kind, detached god might work.
He isn't warm or personable in U.N.C.L.E., either.
>>83278815
Ben knew for ages. You remember him at SDCC? When we all thought it was cause he broke up with his wife? We were wrong
>>83278083
Yeah they're allowed to say what they want, even if it's wrong. BvS was a masterpiece.
>>83279066
Jesus has Lotz had work done? Her face looks off. Or just a bad picture?
>>83279198
Yeah; despite not getting to do much of it in the films because of Snyder's bizarre creative choice to have Superman be so dour all the time, I honestly think that Cavill has all the makings of a great Superman.
Hell, there are scenes in Man of Steel where he gets to be warm that make me think 'that is Superman'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Daj9hpLRmsI
>>83279226
>Fox is going to become the Deadpool Cinematic Universe
>DC will become the Harley Quinn Cinematic Universe
Tis a strange world we live in.
>>83278324
It's really happening. The evil that is the Joker must be contained, or it'll be like hell on Earth. Maybe they'll reopen Danvers State Hospital.
>>83279198
If only Cavill was allowed to smile as Superman at other times than when he's about to smash a guy through walls, fuck or die, he could make a great Supes
>>83279226
>Keep smiling you dumb fuck, your ass is mine.
>>83278083
from my perspective, this isn't crossing the line. no where does he specifically slam studio, producers, editing, writing, acting, etc, he just refers to it all as muddled, overstuffed.
if i was an exec i literally wouldn't give a shit, especially since he said this after it made its run in theaters (presumably)
>>83278083
I wonder if /tv/ will turn on Irons or keep up their charade of BvS being a flawless work of art even with seasoned actors calling it out as fraudulent fluff.
What a detestable waste of everyone's time.
Can't wait for Affleck to kick off at full sprint and finally get this ball rolling.
Play time's over Snyder, step all the way the fuck to the side.
>>83278508
eh atleast he's a movie director and not a tv director/whedon
I LIKED BvS and I agree with him. It was overstuffed, muddled and badly edited. I wanna hope the Ultimate Cut fixes some of those issues, but the theatrical cut had problems and you can't deny that.
The fact that he's being that honest about it but also saying the JL Part One will be less crazy is good.
>>83278459
>Luthor's fantastic plan
You're kidding, right?
>>83279347
IT'S HAPPENING
>>83278324
>mfw was this was Snyder's plan all along
>he took a dive on BvS to make upcoming DCEU movies that much better.
zack pls
>>83279347
>>83279520
The 9/10 didn't tip you off?
HOW CAN ONE MAN BE BASED HIS ENTIRE CAREER!?
>>83278611
God dammit.
I know it's stupid to feel this bad for a guy who's won a fucking academy award for writing and pissed away more money on drugs and booze than I'll ever see in my life, but I do.
I hope he hits it out of the park with Batman and JL just so this will stop happening to him.
>>83279562
>Batman on his knees
Kek.
>>83278703
>>83278763
I think his words are kind of being twisted here to make it sound like he's saying "oh yeah it's shit and it deserves the pounding it got." He's being frank about its flaws, which he's very correct about it.
>>83279598
You shouldn't.
Wanna know why? Because he's a hypocrite.
Years ago someone asked him if he'd ever consider doing another superhero movie after Daredevil and he went into this story about how George Clooney keeps a photo of himself in the Batman suit in his office as a reminder of how bad things can get when he you take a role just for the money. Affleck says he feels that way about Daredevil and that he'll never do a superhero movie again.
So now he's falling in line behind Clooney to play Batman.
>>83279347
>tfw our generation will finally bear witness to Batman raping the Joker
What a time to be alive
>>83279855
Decisions and people change over time. He's not a hypocrite at all
>>83279577
Yeah. Anything below 10/10 is obvious bait. People should know better by now.
>>83279234
He wasn't suppose to be though. Napoleon Solo is suppose to be a smug asshole.
>>83279226
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcuq7hFzzc
JOKER HELP
>>83278831
Most of the Batman stuff was the best thing about that godawful movie.
They just need to give Snyder Batman and let other people do better shit. Snyder's Batman stuff sort of seems like Burton without some of the weird shit
>>83278083
Overstuffed is just a negative way to say "jam-packed" with high quality content.
>>83278083
Dude, BvS is your best movie in many years. You haven't done anything worth watching in along time.
>>83280196
>You haven't done anything worth watching in along time.
And he still hasn't.
>>83280196
>tfw was about to refute you but checked IMDB and the last good things he was in were Margin Call and Appaloosa, which were both 5+ years ago.
I guess that Borgias money was keeping him well-fed for a few years.
>>83280268
The Chinese Box, dude.But that was 20 years ago, lol
>>83280279
Don't forget Eragon and Dungeons and Dragons.
>>83279198
>Cavill would make an excellent Superman were it not for the way he's directed
For FUCK'S sake, WB.
>>83280315
I think smug Bruce was saying BvS was shit, not that Irons has never been in a good movie.
>Don't forget Eragon and Dungeons and Dragons.
Jeremy Irons was having the time of his life in D&D, it's a dead-tie between him and Kenneth Branagh in Wild Wild West for best terrible villain performance of all time.
>>83280315
Remember when he played Elric in The Time Machine?
>>83278459
>He was apart of a spectacle.
Yes, he was.
But the thing you're forgetting is that "spectacle" isn't actually a word that means with "good". Spectacle just means "attention getting and noisy". Fireworks displays can be spectacular. So can train derailments.
>>83278763
>He didn't exactly trash it. He acknowledged its shortcomings, that's not the same thing.
It is here.
>>83279198
>buff really nice guy
>cast as Superman
>never smiles, all interactions with normal people are slow motion action sequences where he doesn't say anything
>all interactions with everyone else are him being sad or mad
The problem is they're trying to move away from Christopher Reeves Superman and don't realize that the light tone is not what made Superman Returns bad.
>>83278316
after their next couple of movies flop we won't be getting anything. which is a shame because most of the people i want to see in a movie are DC heroes but their heads are thoroughly shoved up their asses
>>83278342
Ahh. Look at that. And here I was thinking that you guys were gonna go with some version of "Irons is just saying this because he noticed a few more zeroes on the most recent royalty payment for when he voiced Scar."
>>83280523
Expect him to go back to Disney soon,anon!
>/co/ says the critics are wrong
>Irons says the critics aren't wrong
>/co/ says Irons isn't wrong
>>83280567
>/co/
You are wrong.
>>83278083
>I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear," offering some hope that the next DCEU film could perhaps be a littler better.
Silver linings, I suppose...
>>83279347
More like...
>>83280567
But think about it, when has /co/ ever really been right aside from predicting Fant4stic would be an all out failure?
>One of the only decent actors in the movie hates it
Where's your excuse for this DC shills?
>>83280567
It's called penrose logic.
>>83280341
100% this
>>83278378
Ben Affleck has been in tons of great films, and he's a great actor when he's used right, just because he got the shit deals for capeshit productions and that's all your 12 year old ass watches doesn't mean he's a bad actor.
>>83280567
What makes his opinion any better?
>>83281110
He has an extensive career full of gold and garbage, and as such probably has a better understanding of what makes good good and bad bad.
>>83278083
>Yeah I totally agree with the critics
>The sequel will be a lot better and you should go see it
You should learn to recognize a sales pitch when one is recited to you.
>>83280567
Because /co/ is one person
>>83280603
Literally all the big name MCU actors said the same thing about the money when it comes to their respective movies, like Hopkins, Glenn Close and Redford. It's doesn't mean anything excpet that they have their priorities straight.
>>83278083
>Should stars of a movie be allowed to trash it if they didn't like it?
Yes
>Should they?
No.
Nobody wants an 'employee' bad mouthing the company they work for but if it's already obvious that it's shit you might as well gain acceptance from the masses that you have some credibility.
>>83278390
>implying directors are in charge of casting
>>83278378
If asked Irons will tell you that sucked too.
>>83278459
>>Batman
World's. Greatest. Detective. You know, if you don't count Lois Lane that is, she's the DCEU's greatest detective.
>>Alfred
Easily one of the better parts of the film
>>Beautiful cinematography
Yeah, Zach is pretty good at this, too bad most of it was just lifted from his Watchmen movie, literally the same shots with diffrent "coloring" and characters
>>Luthor's fantastic plan
Pfffff, hahaha, the plan that made no sense at all and would have fallen apart had Batman bothered to do more detective work? Yeah, no.
>>Wonder Woman
Oh yeah, I loved her snap chatting Bruce and looking at YouTube links. Honestly the only thing I liked about her was that little grin she gave after Doomsy slapped her shit down
>>Score
The scores to most films are great, you just needed something to add to this already failing list
>>Symbols and themes
More Super Jesus and heavy Christian Overtones? Bravo Zach, breaking some new grounds there, seriously, I don't that's ever been done in films. Really, great job for thinking outside the box
>>Warehouse fight
Probably the best part of the whole movie, which is sad because it didn't last as long as it should have and in no way redeems the films flaws
>>Doomsday
That hammer in final act that we all had spoiled in the first fucking trailer? No, he was Abomination with sparky red CW Flash effects
Synder you should really stop posting.
>>83279198
>He's more of a take on Kal El in real life than WB allows him to be in their films
What the absolute fuck were they thinking?
>>83279198
Yeah, because Zack doesn't direct him as Superman
>>83278637
where does it say this? post screenie pls?
>>83278083
>I don't think it's a good idea.
wait, are you seriously asking if freedom of speech should be illegal for actors? Like, Literally?
It always cracks me up when actors just admit to doing this shit for money, like the guy from Arrested Development who said he only did Alvin and the Chipmunks to buy a boat.
>>83278843
>You're beating my ass just like Jesus would have!
>>83279104
He was also a great Superman, albeit in a subpar but not disastrously bad movie.
>>83278537
Did even the last FF movie get so much hate, from within and without?
>>83284362
No because people don't care as much about the Fantastic Four
Plus expectations were just really high for BvS
>>83284400
Yeah, now that I think about it only Trank spoke against the movie, but it was so spectacular that a director would sabotage himself and his film in such a way that it really stuck out.
>>83284362
Kate Mara said she wouldn't bother seeing the movie.
>>83284534
I still need to see that movie to spot the retakes with Mara's changing hair.
Even after getting BTFO like that, Snyder apologists continue their 4 year crusade of stupidity.
There is no hope.
>>83284692
Well, it's your own fault for not appreciating good art.
>>83279855
good god you sound so pathetic
>>83280567
>pretending everyone on /co/ has the same opinion
Why do people still do this?
>>83280656
saying he hates it is as wrong as op saying he was outright trashing it.
>>83284692
>Even after getting BTFO
>Irons basically saying it wasn't bad but the narrative was a bit jarring.
???
>>83278250
Gordon?
>>83286450
You're putting words in his mouth.
He doesn't say or imply anything like that, even more so, he's holding back because he's still attached to the franchise.
>>83279347
jesus christ, ben looks like utter shite.
Poor motherfucker needs a break and 2 lose 20-30 lbs
>>83278459
This. Im sorry you drones and mongs cant understand high level capekino :^)
>>83278504
Irons was actually Scar all along
>>83280603
>everyone is one person
>companywarshit image
Time to leave, /v/eddit.
>>83287549
On an anonymous image board where broader overarching arguments are being presented, yes, everyone, or at least everyone on one side can be treated as one person. That's how debating on an anonymous image board where anyone could be anybody works.
>>83287821
>that's how it works
>because I say so
No. That's not how debating on an anonymous board works. It works impersonally. You debate the point , focus on the argument and don't bring the "person" into it.
>>83288043
unless you make any specific gestures to set yourself apart from the others you've no right to claim "not the same person" when you've done nothing to show otherwise.
>>83288043
>debate the point , focus on the argument
What fucking image boards have you been hanging out on? Obviously not 4chan.
>>83278324
Snyder really had to try to fuck this whole thing up.
>friendly reminder that this is Jeremy Irons castle
>he bought it with the money he got from Dungeons & Dragons
>he also had it painted peach colored to fuck with the neighbors
This is what BASED looks like.
What truly baffles me are company drones who try to make BvS seem like a good movie.
You don't need to accept this, you should be angry.
>>83288408
Marvel fans were pissed with Whedon for Age of Ultron, I'm not sure why Snyder apologists have such a battered wife syndrome going on.
>>83288376
That is a George Lucas level of spite.
>>83279198
People forget he's an actor. He is beholden to what the script and director want him to do. If his Superman seems like a mopey twat it's because a script was written that called for Superman to be a mopey twat and on set Snyder's notes to Cavill were "be more of a mopey twat." Only megastars get to push back against that sort of stuff.
>>83288376
Megalomaniacal as that may be, it was probably cheaper than buying a New York penthouse.
Probably more expensive to maintain, though.
>>83288376
>painted it that color.
Honestly doesn't look that bad.
>>83278083
>Should stars of a movie be allowed to trash it if they didn't like it?
Yes. I think it's worse when actors lie about this stuff. Pretending everything is alright doesn't make things better, it just makes them worse
>>83288604
I think that originally he just liked the color.
But then there was a backlash from local Irish loudmouths and his response was:
>"Time and the elements will work their unstoppable magic and just as my mother's new hairdo always looked better the day after it was done, so the castle will look better tomorrow".
Which is a very nice way of saying, fuck you, I'm not changing a thing.
>>83280567
/co/ isn't saying critics are wrong
It's /tv/ invasion
>>83288994
b-b-b-but /tv/ are marveldrones!
Which is the latest meme.
>>83289055
/tv/ are cunts that will play both sides as long as they get (you)'s. If you haven't figured that out by now then you're a moron
>>83289055
>/tv/
>Marvel Drones
Top kek
If anything, all this mess is bad eggs from /v/ invading /tv/ with company wars and now they're spilling on to here.
Company wars have always been an annoyance, but /v/ takes it to the next level
>>83288408
Stop liking high quality content! You can only like what I like!
>>83289305
And what exactly are you asserting to be quality content?
>>83289435
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and Man of Steel. BvS improved upon Man of Steel's flaws and is a 10/10 movie.
>>83289490
Snyder please, you're not fooling anyone.
>>83289490
Said no one ever.
>>83289490
>>83289575
>>83289597
>>83289641
>triggered by the truth
Guess that's just what happens when you all live a lie.
>>83289769
>27%
>>83288604
I think that it'll actually look better with age, once it looks sort of weathered.
>>83289769
And what evidence, other than your opinion, do you have of this truth?
- It was a Critical failure.
- A box-office Disappointment only barely beating out Deadpool which was made at less than 1/3 the price tag.
- Widely considered by the movie-going public to be depressing, dull and confusing.
- Widely considered by comic book fans and writers to be a terrible adaptation of the stories and characters presented.
- Resulting in WB shuffling producers and slapping blame on virtually everyone but Snyder.
- Openly criticized by its actors.
>>83289820
>27% of critics aren't retarded
Well that's about the same ratio of idiots to non-idiots too, so it makes sense. Have you ever been outside?
>>83290111
Again, what evidence do you have that it was good, because all anecdotal and circumstantial evidence seems to point towards it just flat out being bad with precious few people to disagree with the fact.
>>83289769
Fuck it, I know it's b8, but if he wants a fight, I'll give it to him.
What makes BvS a 10/10 movie?
>>83290111
>Have you ever been outside?
Have you?
>>83287166
its what i inferd from the interview, could be wrong i guess.
But if anyone was doing as you said it was the anon i replied to.
>>83288408
it was a damn good movie, at least for a cape film. Not as good as some claim but still a quality film.
>>83290641
Based on what? What evidence? What facts? Anecdotal, Circumstantial, Empirical, anything? Or are we simply just to take your baseless claims as God's truth?
>>83289490
8/10
Messy editing and the bullet subplot got forgotten about. Still good mind you and i expect the directors cut to improve on this as the case for Snyders other films seem to be.
>>83290744
I (and I think most people) would give it a 4/10. Still not as bad as a Bayformers movie.
>>83290105
>>83290166
It was a tragic film with an optimistic ending l. I liked the beautiful visuals and soundtrack. The fight scenes were good too. For the first time ever, the normal bad guys actually felt competent, so Batman taking them down was more impressive.
I enjoyed the character development; each character was incorrect and grew by the end of the movie, save for Lex Luthor who was becoming more and more unhinged as the movie went on. The problems of Man of Steel (Lois being annoying and Pa Kent being a bad character) were fixed. There were many memorable scenes, but my favorite was the one at the party.
I know you're probably going to get mad, but this is my honest opinion. This is all I can think of off the top of my head, but I think there were other reasons too.
>>83288109
It's not your role to judge who set apart from others and who didn't, chum. Focus on the argument.
>>83290705
it had a good plot, although it was forced at moments (JL scenes, Bullet subplot with Lois), very good acting, brilliant fight choreography and equally brilliant cinematography. There were very nice references to source material and nice character cameos like KGBeast. The subtext and symbolism, while being a dividing point does add a lot more to the film and makes for repeat viewings to try and decipher what infers by it.
You are welcome to disagree, as there were flaws in the movie such as the editing which hurts it badly.
>>83290834
feel free to rate it what you want anon.
>>83278083
Based Irons is too smart for /co/
>>83278083
Michael Shannon has shit on it too.
>>83290857
>>83290905
That's fine that this is your opinion, but you should have only expressed it humbly as such in the first place instead of troll posting and claiming its an irrefutable fact that it was a 10/10 movie and people who disagree are marveldrones.
Don't come steamrolling into a thread with hyperbolous claims like a god fearing preacher then asked to substantiate those claims go "Well I liked it anyway"
All evidence points to the movie being bad, if you liked it, that's fine, good for you, props, but don't act like this is some self-evident truth we're all supposed to blindly accept when we can bury miles deep in evidence to the contrary.
>>83291020
But it is the truth, you're just a pleb who can't accept it.
>>83290857
>The problems of Man of Steel (Lois being annoying and Pa Kent being a bad character) were fixed.
HA hahaha
>>83290857
We're mad that you came into this thread shitposting about this movie being factually great and everyone who hates its either being wrong or a company fanboy. We're not mad at you for fucking liking it.
>>83291020
I actually do think it's a 10/10, but I also like seeing people get angry at me saying that. I didn't used to do it until I saw people exaggerating about how it's bad, despite it not being bad. The thing is, it's not a bad movie, just one that people didn't like.
>>83291067
Okay what evidence do you have of this being the truth? What proofs do you have?
>>83291077
> The thing is, it's not a bad movie, just one that people didn't like.
Again, entirely a matter of opinion, semantics and context.
>>83291072
I have never in my life posted a single company war post. I've seen Winter Soldier and thought it was a decent movie. I just use positive hyperbole for BvS to counteract the negative hyperbole against it. Plus, it's fun.
>>83278270
He looks like he's going to cry.
>>83291133
he did internally
>>83291125
But fun is bad, fun is everything that's wrong with the MCU.
In all fairness though I think you've gotten lumped in with a DC shitposter ( >>83291067 >>83290111 >>83289769 )
who's using guerrilla shitposting tactics to troll the thread. Our apologies for assuming you were the same person.
>>83291119
>Again, entirely a matter of opinion, semantics and context.
It doesn't have technical issues, so objectively it's not a BAD movie. The actors deliver their lines properly, the volume isn't discordant unlike many other movies, the cinematography was good. The issues come from people not liking the plot.
>>83291264
... the plot, the editing, some of the special effects and fight choreography.
There's also multiple levels in which "objective" can be applied to a movie. The technical execution is just one, proper presentation of an adequate and engaging story is another.
>>83291077
>It's not bad, you just didn't like it
That's not really an argument
It's a terrible movie for very solid reasons. One of the title characters barely has any lines, the plot is a jumbled mess with sub plots developed and then dropped in the middle of the film, sloppy editing with jump to scenes that have no connection to each other and serve no purpose to being placed there. Character motivations are baffling as their development isn't fleshed out in any reasonable form outside of Batman, the title characters interact for a total of 3 scenes. The movie doesn't even commit to the fight as it does an ass pull by bringing out the real big bad at the end of the movie that can only be defeated with the power of friendship. A pointless death put in to force some drama is then immediately discarded in the final seconds of the film. Fight scenes that are hard to keep track of as they're mainly in the dark and 95% CGI with poor choreography.
There's far more that I won't get into detail or bother following up because I already know the response to this.
>You just didn't get it
>Well if you understood the symbolism then those details would be filled out for you
>It's too deep for you
>The cinematography is a work of art, how can you hate it?
>You just don't understand Snyder's genius
>No, no! Joseph of Arimathea absolutely hit Christ over the head with a sink!
>At least it isn't another Marvel movie
>>83290641
Yeah, but HOW is it a good movie? What makes it a good movie?
>>83291264
If I want pretty lights and colors I'll buy a Disco Ball.
When I watch a movie I expect a medium that conveys an engaging and satisfying story and while those criteria may vary person to person, ultimately movies exist as a story telling format.
>>83290957
Holy shit. Is that real?
>>83291264
a plot can be objectively bad. not everything can be sweeped off as "well, YOU didn't like it". also this isn't a Kubrick movie, this is Batman V Superman: corporate franchise. At least the Nolan movies werent trying to shoehorn in an extended universe while Heath Ledger is cutting up dudes
>>83291264
>It doesn't have technical issues, so objectively it's not a BAD movie.
Explain what purpose the scene with Perry asking where Clark was serves to the film and the reason why it was placed where it was placed?
That's just one example of sloppy editing, but I await to hear your reasoning
>>83290857
>The problems of Man of Steel (Lois being annoying and Pa Kent being a bad character) were fixed.
Probably because they were barely in it. They actually had to strain to give Lois a reason to be in the fucking movie, and the best reason they could come up with was to have her throw a spear into some water and then RETRIEVE said spear from said water so that Superman could die for no reason even though we ALL know he'll be back, just like Superman Returns. We haven't even evolved since then.
>>83289490
>>83278584
I can't do anything to change your shit taste.
But there's no arguing that you're the minority on this one.
What you also can't change is the fact that most of the general public that saw this movie, casuals or not, that's irrelevant, hated this movie.
In this case your opinion is the one thst gets to be ridiculed.
So fuck off, Snyder.
>>83291334
I liked the plot, some people didn't, but that doesn't mean it's a bad plot.
>the editing, some of the special effects and fight choreography.
The editing was fine to me. It has smooth transitions, unlike the jumpy ones from Batman Begins. The fight choreography felt superior to other superhero films to me, because the bad guys weren't just waiting and going in one by one with some people not doing anything. The special effects were fine to me, but I can see why some people wouldn't like it.
>>83291352
>One of the title characters barely has any lines
He didn't need as many lines because you can see his character by his actions. Superman acts like Superman in the montage, when he stopped trailing Batman at the party to save the little girl, and during the Doomsday fight when he stopped fighting after hearing the banging sound.
>plot is a jumbled mess with sub plots developed and then dropped in the middle of the film
The plot made sense if you paid attention. Are you talking about the bullet subplot? It concluded with Lois finding out that Lex made the bullets and then getting wrecked by him and saved by Superman.
>sloppy editing with jump to scenes that have no connection to each other and serve no purpose to being placed there.
I don't know what you're talking about. Going from one character to another is common when there are multiple important characters and plots going on at the same time.
>Character motivations are baffling as their development isn't fleshed out in any reasonable form outside of Batman
I disagree but I don't know if I have enough space to give specific points.
>the real big bad at the end of the movie that can only be defeated with the power of friendship.
This is a common occurrence in versus films and movies. I personally like it.
>A pointless death
Superman's death was a heroic sacrifice. It was implied that he's coming back to give hope to the audience.
RIP comment space.
>>83291352
Well done anon.
In my opinion it was a mediocre movie but still better than MoS which I absolutely hated.
And one of my main problem thus far with their interpretation of Superman is that he never takes a stance.
>>83291133
>>83291352
>>83291808
>Fight scenes that are hard to keep track of
No they weren't. They're fairly simple to follow; have you seen Batman Begins?
>meme arguments at the end
I don't use those arguments because I actually like the movie. I think the only people who say that are people who didn't like the movie.
>>83291386
Yes, and it was a good story. You just didn't like it.
>>83291431
>a plot can be objectively bad.
Yeah if it doesn't make sense or characters do out-of-character things, which didn't happen in this movie.
>>83291461
>Explain what purpose the scene with Perry asking where Clark was serves to the film and the reason why it was placed where it was placed?
To show that people do in fact notice that Clark goes missing. Plus it gave a bit of humor to the movie, which it did have a bit of. I don't remember when the scene was placed though.
>>83291478
Lois was used by Lex, but also had independence. She did many of the things in the movie in order to prove Superman to be a good person. The bullet plot was to clear his name, and throwing the spear into the water was to give him some extra protection against people who would want to hurt him.
>Superman could die for no reason even though we ALL know he'll be back
Knowing that Superman will come back doesn't make his sacrifice less heroic.
>>83291960
That's this film and the previous film's biggest fault.
The title character just doesn't do anything but be present during a situation.
Clark Kent was raised by his Ma and PA to be a good HUMAN being, to do what was right. You have a God who doesn't see himself as a God, but as a man, and Snyder never treats him like that.
The whole idea of "What if Superman existed in the modern world and how would people react" has been done before already, and done well because the core character doesn't change, it's the world that changed. Superman just reacts to it with the same mindset he always had.
Hell, even Red Son Superman saw himself as a man. Someone that fights for the people with the gifts he was given. DCEU Superman gets advice from his Ma and PA that mankind should go fuck themselves
>>83290957
Shannon, I fucking love you
>>83292341
Even worse Jor-El tells him to become a symbol of hope for mankind, to lead them etc. But right in the beginning of the movie he gives this whole speech about the wrongness of the kryptonian genetic programming saying that his son will be free to chose what he wants to do with his life.
It always rubbed me the wrong. To me Superman has always been someone who was instilled very strong moral by his parents to do what was right as you said it.
So what if people have endless debate about him ? Doesn't matter he'll still intervene.
>>83290957
>tfw we're all lonely
>>83278083
Do people honestly think there is too much going on in this movie? I had no trouble following it, and pretty much every ongoing plot had some relation to the others.
>>83292306
>doesn't make his sacrifice less heroic
It wasn't heroic because he didn't have to be the one to do it, Wonder Woman could have. Or they could have propped the spear up against something and pushed Doomsday into it.
Doing something reckless and stupid for no reason isn't heroic.
>>83279066
Ollie ;_;
>>83280465
Absolutely right. In fact, Superman Returns suffered from what in principle were the same reasons as the Snyderverse: the people put in charge of the franchise didn't understand it because they evidently hate comics (both Singer and Snyder) and got their ideas about the Man of Tomorrow from mere pop cultural osmosis.
>>83293078
It was sloppily edited and jumped all over the place. Yeah you can follow it if you pay attention, but Snyder and co. didn't make it fucking easy.
The best example of this is the scene where Clark is talking to Jonathan Kent. It comes out of nowhere (like, Clark is suddenly in the mountains somewhere? Why? Where? He just randomly flew into wilderness?) and there's no visual cue that he's talking to someone who wasn't actually there. I forget the scene before and after this one but they had NOTHING to do with this one. It was so fucking weird and confusing.
The whole movie was just a web of stuff happening to get to the terrible Superman/Batman fight, and Batman wanting to get the JL together.
I mean, there were a few good things, but the movie as a whole was a powerfully mediocre mess that could've been saved if someone slapped Snyder on the hand and told him NO! when he was doing something dumb.
I still liked MoS way more than this
>>83279438
Wait, /tv/ doesn't hate it?
>>83278831
>in comparison to how the changed some canon aspects of other DC characters
>canon aspects
>canon
bitch, you obviously dont know shit about DC. Learn to hypertime, elseworld, Earth One, and one shot all at once. Dumb mother fucker.
>>83284295
nah not really
>>83294167
Have you even been on /tv/ in the last couple of months?
They worship this movie.
>>83293274
I love this new meme. Truth is, a slightly weakened Superman is STILL stronger than Wonder Woman even in the DCEU, despite feminism. The "Superman, trade me!" strat would just end up with Wonder Woman dead.
>>83294360
So either /tv/ is inverse of good taste or it is ironic?
>>83294982
/tv/ is just being contrarian because Marvel is popular.
>>83284250
Jesus might have
Nigga was straight gangsta
>>83280642
We're right more often than /pol/
That's all that matters
>>83279066
Amell can't wake up
Whatever. No lewds for Alfred?
>>83291020
>but don't act like this is some self-evident truth we're all supposed to blindly accept when we can bury miles deep in evidence to the contrary.
I literally said your welcome to disagree, why does my liking of something trigger you so badly?
>>83291808
>>83292306
So what was the point of me doing this if no one gave me any acknowledgement? Was it good or bad or what?
>>83278083
Anybody is allowed to state their dislike for a movie regardless of their connection to it.
>>83278083
>Irons will phone everything in from now on
I'm not supposed to exist
>>83296865
>So what was the point of me doing this if no one gave me any acknowledgement?
Ask yourself that before you post.
>>83297290
They asked questions and I answered. But why would they run away from the answers? Why hide from the truth?
>>83278083
>Should stars of a movie be allowed to trash it if they didn't like it? With a big franchise like this, I don't think it's a good idea.
Of course they should. This isn't some fucking experimental movie. This is a big name and they knowingly screwed it up.
And he did wait until after-the-fact.
>>83298568
Because we've seen your kind before anon.
Some liked the movie but can admit that it has its flaws.
But you and your ilk are ready to come up with every excuse you can imagine to refute the movie'sflaws when people point them at you.
Your answers also feel like you are grasping at straws to be honest.
At this point nothing we can say will matter. Better make some memes.
>>83298932
What flaws though? Just saying something over and over won't make it true. Where's the refutation? If there is none then I'll just point to this thread and say Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice deserved a 10/10. Like I said before, not liking something doesn't mean that it's a flaw.
