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Is this for real or just a tumblr edit, /co/? Please tell me it's the latter?
>>83274422
It's real, but immediately turns into a straw man the next page.
>>83274437
This. They do this every time Red Skull shows up nowadays.
He makes some reasonable points about political correctness or uncontrolled immigration or exceptionalism or some reasonable shit... and then the next page is chucking babies out a window or talking teens into becoming suicide bombers.
Ironically it ends up backfiring and making Red Skull seems more reasonable instead of his positions seeming more radical.
>>83274437
Do you have the next page? I've only seen this one.
>>83274422
Didn't we just have this thread yesterday?
>>83274437
>strawman
It showed what happens when you allow yourself to get duped into a smooth talking sociopath like Red Skull. I agree with Skully, but the image described perfectly how easy it is too fall into groups like that if you don't have a place to belong/believe yourself to morally superior no matter what.
t. I used to be in something similar my famamamalama's
>>83274472
>Ironically it ends up backfiring and making Red Skull seems more reasonable instead of his positions seeming more radical.
>and then the next page is chucking babies out a window or talking teens into becoming suicide bombers.
Not really m8.
Why is a Global-threat Nazi supervillain now giving speeches to american voters in someone's basement while wearing a khaki business suit?
Fuck why is the average american in the Marvel U even listening to him considering all the shit Red Skull has pulled?
>>83274472
>villain's schtick is being a smooth talker who manipulates weak-willed people who don't think for themselves
>"Hmm, he seems pretty reasonable!"
>>83274585
I mean nothing in that page alone seems unreasonable to me.
>>83274437
>>83274472
That is not how strawman fallacy work.
>>83274585
>Gosh Cap, it's got to be more than a little disconcerting that all of the traditional values and principles you fought for have been replaced by identity politics and obscene corporatism. Don't you sometimes wish you could do something to make things more like they were?
What an unreasonable commentary. Clearly nothing he says has any basis in reality.
>>83274422
why is he even giving a speech doesn't he still have Prof X's powers he can just make them blow up a whatever they were attacking.
also did anyone ever explain how Red Skull is alive after Magneto crushed his head with a rock like a grape in Axis?
>>83274602
Not right now it doesn't. A few years ago it would have. The political atmosphere is changing I guess. 'Othering' is now normal.
>>83274602
>>83274652
How do you think people like Hitler get into power, retards?
>>83274644
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
>Can include inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
In this case, the writers portraying a fictional character - The Red Skull - as agreeing with whatever political sentiment the writers happen to disagree with.
>>83274652
#makeAmericaWhiteagain
>>83274585
Yes, the whole point is that reasonable opinions are put in his mouth with the intent of trying to make said reasonable opinion appear as crazy hate speech because it's now something red skull would say, and are you going to agree with red skull
Same thing with the [unsolicited opinions on Israel] thing, that was clearly meant to impky that having the wrong kind of opinions on the foreign policy of a specific country is something only ancient hate-filled bigots who literally froth in the mouth would say. "This opinion is wrong and bad and only evil people think like this", essentially
>>83274668
>why is he even giving a speech
he said in a previous issue that now that he can just force people to do his bidding, he gets off on telling them exactly what they want to hear and following him of their own volition
>>83274693
>>83274652
Ok, still perfectly reasonable, I don't get it.
>>83274687
That's a very black and white mind set.
You have be nationalistic and protect your people over strangers without becoming literal Hitler.
What's so hard about "Hey we're going to do our thing over here, we're not going to hurt you, but you're not allowed to come in and have our shit, just go do your own thing over there."
>>83274585
>>83274652
>>83274687
>>83274422
You guys already did this exact same thread the other day. Same pages, same reaction image. Christ, I need to stop coming here.
>>83274585
>>83274700
It's literally one degree of separation away from
>You know who supported _______? Hitler! You don't wanna be like HITLER... DO you??
>we will never see the Red Skull meet Kamala
>we will never see the Red Skull debate Kamala
>we will never see the Red Skull slowly redpill Kamala
>we will never see the Red Skull BLEACH Kamala upon the climax of her story
>we will never see Kamala fighting for the against her mudshit family and country for the Aryan people/nation and it's values
..... why even live /co/?
>>83274721
Jesus Christ, you really are retarded.
People like Hitler get voted in because they say reasonable things that most people would agree with. They're manipulative. You're supposed to agree with Red Skull's speech. Do you think Hitler was elected because Germans were gigantic retards or do you think it was because Hitler was good at giving speeches?
>>83274721
A completely valid opinion, immediately portrayed as invalid by the fact that Mr WorseThanHitler is saying it and in the next page has people suicide bombing buses and shit.
>>83274742
Reminder Nazis were super protective over nature and animals. So whenever someone pulls that, feel free to bring that up.
>>83274758
has Kamala even had an interaction with actual super villain yet?
>>83274758
he's gonna remove her soul from her body and give her a zanpakuto?
>>83274765
>>People like Hitler get voted in because they say reasonable things that most people would agree with.
So where's the problem then?
>>83274712
I was agreeing with you, you retard.
>>83274721
I feel that if America destabilises countries, then it should be America that takes them in. Not the migrants. But true, poor unfortunate refugees that they fuck over.
Not Europa who did nothing but pays the price every single fucking time.
>>83274602
>>83274652
It's not. Most of it is perfectly reasonable concerns and honest grievances that a person might have over a migrant crisis. The issue is that Red Skull is saying that to address these reasonable grievances, you should do something unreasonable, IE: Join a Nazi death-cult bent on world domination through violence, intimidation, and subversion.
I don't like what's going on in Europe either, and there are plenty of grievances I have with the way the USA is run, but I'm not going to resort to violence to redress those grievances. I'm not going to assassinate a politician or blow up a hospital or do something extreme, because the normal democratic process is still working. Look at people like Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Marie Le Pen, etc. These people have strong stances on immigration and they're all surging ahead in the polls because people are voting with issues like the migrant crisis in mind. I understand the temptation to take extreme measures in what seems like extreme situations, but I won't give up on democracy. I know the powers that be can rig the game, but they can't silence the people outright.
tl;dr, if you agree with Red Skull that's fine, just don't join Hydra. For god's sake just vote.
>>83274687
Jews fucked over his country.
>>83274818
Voting is so much work though.
>>83274818
>, because the normal democratic process is still working.
Sorry, how? I didn't elect Merkel or anyone in Brussels, and they're threatening to economically ruin my shitty third world eastern Euro country because we don't want to pay for the refugees they want to force into our country. That's just an example related to the thread, I have thousands of others but it would be off topic.
The entire point of the EU is that literally no one actually elects the people who are governing it and there's no recourse against decisions made against any member country.
>>83274801
>be american
>my country fucks over mudslimes
>mudslimes flock to europe and create a shitstorm
>relax and enjoy a burger while a mexican mows my lawn for 2 dollars
feels free man
>>83274422
Can someone just fucking post the next page so we can decide if its a strawman or not
>>83274789
Not him/her. The problem is what they say. Saying Obama/Trump tier shit like "I WILL FIX THE ECONOMY. I WILL MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER" is fine.
Demonizing minorities really isn't i.e The ___ are ALL our problems. Make them disappear and EVERYTHING will be right again for us.
>>83274526
>I agree with Skully
I actually. don't, but I can see why so many would think it make sense.
He call out for fear just to destroy one of the essential notion that made the U.S. of A. what it is: If you are persecuted and are fleeing from persecution and tyranny, come to America where you can work to make your dream come true. He goes directly against the very notion of American Dream.
I know not many here will agree with what I am saying, but I think, for the the United States, anyone should have a chance to become a citizen of it. No number limitation.
What it should have is having a better immigration agency that would provide a framework for the immigrant to be part of America, obligation to learn English, their rights and their duty that come with their Citizenship.
The USA is a nation made mostly of immigrants, and anyone should be given the same opportunities their first founders were given.
>>83274881
Where does he say that though? Even Hitler never said that.
>>83274818
I agree with you for the most part, but it does hit a point where you have to do more than just vote.
The US wouldn't exist if our forefathers just voted.
When is the right time to go from voting to picking up a gun? That's the tricky part.
>>83274783
She Tony once so- yes :^)
>>83274784
What did he mean by this?
>>83274889
>Even Hitler never said that.
because he knew that if he did he wouldn't get elected.
>>83274422
This image is the greatest /pol/ bait ever published, post it and they will come
>>83274883
>>He call out for fear just to destroy one of the essential notion that made the U.S. of A. what it is: If you are persecuted and are fleeing from persecution and tyranny, come to America where you can work to make your dream come true. He goes directly against the very notion of American Dream.
Your "American Dream" sounds suspiciously like "let's steal the best minds and the richest people from all the other countries, and also let's ruin our lower class by importing a lower class that can work for cheaper and with no unions"....
>>83274883
The issue is people have no faith in the system.
People abuse welfare and get free money from the goverment, and a lot of these people are immigrants and illegals.
People think it's much more realistic to build a wall and deport them then to fix and maintain a system that will handle it properly and not get abused.
>>83274818
>>83274855
>>83274892
>not just moving to another country
>>83274818
democracy is shit tho
what the majority thinks is not always what could be good for a country.
idealistically speaking, a country should be run by a small number of people who knows what's best for the country and its people. but that would be impossible to achieve for several reasons
>>83274691
That wiki entry was incorrect (corrected it, by the way, thanks). If the opinion expressed i a real one, then it's not a strawman fallacy, it either an ad hominem or Genetic Fallcy.
>>83274818
Oh, don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting the kind of extreme actions of Hydra aren't COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE
The issue here is that you get this extremely conflicting reaction among the readers (as evidenced by all the threads that have come up in response to these pages lately) where the writer is essentially putting in a bad guy as a strawman representing some political opposition, and then ironically having the bad guy making very reasonable points before doing something cartoonishly fucking evil.
Another example (I don't have the page saved) is an issue a while back with the Sons of the Serpent showing up at the US border to discourage illegal immigrants from crossing into the states. The leader of the group makes an impassioned and very reasonable speech about national security and protecting the jobs and economy of one's own nation first, and at no point in this whole sequence do they actually harm any of the migrants, they just tell them matter-of-factly "please go back home, we don't want to have to hurt you"
Then Sam Wilson shows up and literally beats the shit out of them for not allowing illegal immigrants into the country.
It's really fucking bizarre and it really highlights why inserting these kinds of political issues into comics goes over so poorly.
>>83274883
When that notion was created, welfare wasn't a thing. People came to the US, and they worked hard and earned their right to a good life.
Not the same case anymore. You come off a plane and your handed a pamphlet on how to get the most free money from the goverment.
>>83274889
"The black-haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end, satanically glaring at and spying on the unsuspicious girl whom he plans to seduce, adulterating her blood and removing her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew uses every possible means to undermine the racial foundations of a subjugated people."
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf): (Book 1 Chap 11)
>>83274919
That's why there are no true democracies, only republics
>>83274897
*she met Tony once
>>83274913
more money is lost through big business tax evasion and government bailouts than is lost through people gaming welfare
>>83274919
Exactly, a true democracy is LITERALLY a logical fallacy.
>>83274910
>and also let's ruin our lower class by importing a lower class that can work for cheaper and with no unions"....
The only reason it happens is precisely because they are illegal.Stopping immigration from being illegal would actually put an end to the employment black market.
The whole point about the obligation for them to be taught their right is precisely so they wouldn't be taken advantage of.
>Your "American Dream" sounds suspiciously like "let's steal the best minds and the richest people from all the other countries,
Well that's probably the best incentive to stop country from treating their own citizens like shit.
>>83274919
>that would be impossible
hoe about some law where you have to take a vow of poverty to get into politics, and if you violate that vow you're banned for life
>>83274913
>People abuse welfare and get free money from the goverment, and a lot of these people are immigrants and illegals.
What are the stats on that actually. How much Americans citizens are actually guilty of abusing welfare compared to the proportion of illegal immigrants who do.
>>83274913
>People think it's much more realistic to build a wall and deport them then to fix and maintain a system that will handle it properly and not get abused.
People also think that the earth is flat and 9/11 was an inside job. People are retarded and nothing will change that.
>>83274960
True, but that's a whole different issue. Also it's much less noticeable to the average person.
>>83274928
>It's really fucking bizarre and it really highlights why inserting these kinds of political issues into comics goes over so poorly.
This. Even the other side of the spectrum is just as cringy (that one Superman comic)
>>83274978
Okay, so how exactly would the rulers of the country be determined?
>>83274987
>(that one Superman comic)
Not vague at all
>>83275003
mud wrestling
>>83275003
some kind of tests and/or universities degrees I guess
but the mankind is, for its own nature, prone to circlejerking, there would be no true measure to stop corruption anyway
>>83274855
I live in glorious Freedomland so I dunno exactly how you Eurofriends do things. If the EU is fucking you over though, agitate for or create a party that is similar to UKIP. Those guys are recent creations, and they've already got that Brexit referendum on the table. The UK is a pretty major country, so if they can leave, your 3rd world shithole could probably sneak out without much fanfare. Maybe not though, like I said, I'm not sure how things work over there. If nothing else, be the change you want to see in the world. Take to the streets, organize, and get loud. Do anything besides hurling your political energy into the void of an angry image board.
>>83274892
A difficult question. I feel the Declaration of Independence lines it out fairly well, but even then the language used is a bit vague. Obviously you should pick up a gun and start shooting if they start taking guns, but the collapse of liberty is not always swift and overt. The slowly boiled frog is a good analogy. I don't have an answer, but I feel as though myself and other well meaning patriots will know when the time comes.
The upside of slowly eroded liberty is that a well informed person can take notice and attempt to reverse that process. I remember when 4chan fought against the SOPA bill, fought and won, I might add.
>>83274818
>Look at people like Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Marie Le Pen, etc.
And look at what the people who disagree with them politically are willing to do to prevent voters from supporting them.
Marine Le Pen's nationalist party won the first round of France's regional vote by a million vote margin, and was predicted to win a plurality in the second round until the Republican and Socialist parties openly conspired to push their voters into strategically voting for opposing candidates to block the FN in as many districts as possible.
That's borderline election fraud
>>83274966
Protip: in a civilized country, you can't get a job or get on welfare or do anything that requires any kind of a document if you're an illegal immigrant. It's not like this situation isn't endorsed by your government.
>Well that's probably the best incentive to stop country from treating their own citizens like shit.
Yeah, like that one time that America bombed us with depleted uranium...
>>83274930
>People came to the US, and they worked hard and earned their right to a good life.
>Not the same case any more.
So, wait, now that it's easier, it doesn't count. i don't think the people who fought and campaigned to improve their working rights and condition were like "But it's only for us, guys. If we make things better for us, no more immigrants allowed".
> You come off a plane and your handed a pamphlet on how to get the most free money from the government.
twisting reality a bit. there are help on how to get started. Most immigrants who are here legally end up getting a job and paying their taxes too. again , I would be interested in knowing those stats >>83274981
>>83274913
>People think it's much more realistic to build a wall
Fun facts: most people living living next to the border are actually against the wall.
>>83275063
>So, wait, now that it's easier
Not even the guy you're replying to but you're an idiot. Like did you really just take "People aren't working and are abusing welfare" as "Work isn't as hard anymore." ? Really?
>>83275063
>So, wait, now that it's easier, it doesn't count. i don't think the people who fought and campaigned to improve their working rights and condition were like "But it's only for us, guys. If we make things better for us, no more immigrants allowed".
No idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>83275054
Unfortunately, referendums get repeated until the government gets the desired result, then they change the laws so that the referendum will never be repeated again in near future.
>>83275078
Well, it would be harder to get cheap drugs and hookers and smuggle shit across which is their main source of income so yeah.
>>83275058
>bombed us with depleted uranium...
Depleted uranium isn't used in bombs.
>>83274928
Bad writing is bad writing. It's just doubly bad when it involves religion or politics, because on top of offending the reader's taste, it also offends their personal philosophies. Even mediocre or good writing can be soured by bad politics. Those stories you're describing are stupid, but then, so are bad writers.
>>83274422
Red Skull Was Right
>>83274984
>>83275078
>People think it's much more realistic to build a wall
The Israelis built 500 km worth of border wall in four years at a cost of about $4M / km. Bombings in Israel dropped by a factor of 6 after it went up.
>>83275242
Oh hey I thought htey made that up for World War Z
>>83275143
https://www.rt.com/news/yugoslavia-kosovo-nato-bombing-705/
>>83274758
Give it a decade
>>83275273
Nope. Israeli's were sick of Palestinians running arms and bombs across the border so they put a wall up.
The bombings stopped for the most part and it forced Hamas to start doing ridiculously complicated and stupid shit.
I think a couple months ago they tried pulling some kind of crazy Navy SEALS style beach landing. They got about 200 yards in from the water before the IDF started shelling the bastards.
>>83275058
>p: in a civilized country, you can't get a job or get on welfare or do anything that requires any kind of a document if you're an illegal immigrant.
That's my point. that's why immigration shouldn't be made illegal.
>Yeah, like that one time that America bombed us with depleted uranium...
You are switching the issues, here. You were originally talking about brains and rich people fleeing to the US..
>>83275332
Can't blame Israel for defending itself, but to be honest, they "stole" Palestinian lands first.
>>83275356
>that's why immigration shouldn't be made illegal
I'm not following, illegal immigration is already illegal, but once you illegally immigrate, you have so many loopholes to exploit it's fucking ridiculous. The only way to stop this is to eliminate the loopholes, but this will never be done because your country lives on the backs of the illegal immigrants.
>You are switching the issues, here. You were originally talking about brains and rich people fleeing to the US..
Well, it's kind of a natural thing when the US ruins your country, if you're qualified enough to get out, you'll get out, that's a huge reason why they ruin some places in the world periodically. That and resources and army base placement etc.
Does it say something about this thread that not a single person told OP to just read the fucking comic himself? There's a download, it was already storytimed, and you already see people using online comic viewers these days, so it would've been easy.
>>83275330
Give it a decade for what anon? You KNOW it's not going to happen right?
>>83275078
Not American but I followed /pol/ on the election.
Trump was very strong in areas of Texas near the border, the more you moved away from the border Ted Cruz grew stronger.
>>83275242
Difference is Israel is Fucking tiny compared to the us Mexican border
>>83275081
You misunderstood me. I said "now that it's easier" I meant condition of living are better in part due to Welfare.
>"People aren't working and are abusing welfare"
Again, I would like to see the stats of what proportion of US citizens have been abusing Welfare, and what proportions of immigrants, illegal or not are abusing it too.
>>83275094
The post here >>83274930
was saying
>When that notion was created, welfare wasn't a thing.
as if Wellfare somehow cancelled the notion of American Dream.
Just because it is now easier to live in the US now than in the past shouldn't void that.
People are saying that there are emigrants that solely come here to do no thing and smooch off Welfare, to what I reply, what are the actual numbers on this behavior, and shouldn't those immigrant be treated the same way US citizen who smooch of welfare too should be treated?
>>83275297
>Russia Today
You've sure got an unbiased source there friend.
But,yes, Depleted Uranium munitions were used in Yugoslavia and Kosovo, but they weren't bombs, they were armor penetrating rounds fired from cannon of various calibers.
The common bomb that's claimed to contain DU is the BLU-113, but it's just not heavy enough to warrant using depleted uranium to increase it's weight. Doing the math comes up with densities closer to steel than DU for inert filler.
>http://www.dawn.com/news/56032/do-bombs-use-depleted-uranium
The only bomb large enough to possibly require Depleted Uranium Ballast is the GBU-57, but there's no evidence to indicate it contains DU filler - more likely a tungsten-cobalt filler which itself isn't a very pretty
>>83275405
>. The only way to stop this is to eliminate the loopholes
The other way is simply removing the notion of illegality, removing loophole altogether and thus making illegal employment not possible.
> but this will never be done because your country lives on the backs of the illegal immigrants.
Also the reason why illegal immigration might remain illegal.
>>83275483
> as if Wellfare somehow cancelled the notion of American Dream.
It has undermined it to the point that it's become a joke. Now you have more people trying to mooch off of an increasingly small number of actually productive people, and importing massive numbers of illegal aliens just adds even more moochers to the mess.
>>83275436
I mean, Living right next to the border, i.e. having part of your porperty touch the border.
Because it means building a wall on their property and them losing a part of it.
>>83274673
Are you dumber than /pol/? Othering has been normal for the past 6 thousand years.
>>83275532
> I mean, Living right next to the border, i.e. having part of your porperty touch the border.
Fuck them. If they actually had any respect for US law we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead they looked the other way and let an invading army waltz on in. There are countless groups that would be willing to stand and defend the border, all they had to do was call on one of them. Instead they helped water down the country even more.
>>83274855
>or anyone in brussels
Each country sends representatives to the europarliament, who are elected. Why didn't you vote in the euro elections of your country?
>>83275529
>It has undermined it to the point that it's become a joke.
Most newcomer to the US work their ass off. Then again, it's just personal experience, so again.
>Now you have more people trying to mooch off of an increasingly small number of actually productive people
I would like to know the stats of that.
Lets define data in a way that can be objectively quantifiable:
-proportion of US citizens that received welfare yet never worked enough to pay their taxes for the whole of their life.
-proportions of immigrants (legal and illegal) that received welfare yet never worked enough to pay their taxes for the whole of their life.
>>83275565
>Instead they helped water down the country even more.
How can a nation of immigrants be watered down by migrants?
Are you Native American?
>>83275577
I don't think you understand how Brussels politics work at all.
>>83274889
>Even Hitler never said that
DIE JUDEN SIND UNSER UNGLÜCK
>>83275242
Huh. Wonder why you havent heard Trump talk about just using their design - Isreal testbeds a lot of our tech, and if the wall works....
>>83274897
She accidentally once a Tony?
>>83275591
It was meant as a nation of European immigrants.
And when they called America a melting pot, they meant of European culture.
Stop trying to redefine history -- calling America a nation of immigrants and a melting pot sure would have been fucking progressive in an era where we didn't give non-whites rights.
It never was meant the way you mean it, and it never should be meant that way. America should be white.
>>83274855
>The entire point of the EU is that literally no one actually elects the people who are governing it
Yeah that's completely wrong. The decisions are made in the Europarliament, which is made of the representatives each country elects aming themselves to send in. Just like a normal parliament. Sure there are also bureaucrats, like in every government, but the laws and directives etc are passed and changed in the parliament that is made up of directly elected representatives.
I think you should maybe look into how the EU actually works before running your mouth. Just because you haven't bothered to find out how the process works and didn't vote out of ignorance, doesn't mean no-one votes
>>83275693
Can you please show me Merkel's program where she said "I'm going to force millions of refugees onto all member countries and ask them to pay for it" that she got elected on?
>>83275056
Europe has never had democracy and never will. The US just has a better charade of it, Europeans are used to that shit by now.
America is very good at covering up corruption -- Europe doesn't care to, because everyone in Europe knows that the government is probably corrupt and probably puppets.
>>83275716
Please leave the shitty fucking EU so the whole damn thing can collapse and we can all go home. I beg of you.
>>83275365
You can drop the quotes though, refusing to respect your borders and just starting to build structures on the other side of the border and saying it's got my stuff on it it's mine now is legit stealing
>>83275581
> Most newcomer to the US work their ass off.
HA. No. New immigrants don't work because we don't make them. Haven't for decades now. Now we just let them suck a government check while wringing dry the last remaining productive people left, because that is what the dims want. They don't want people capable of thinking for themselves or actually working for a living. They want a horde of easily bought voters who will keep giving them power so that they can keep the welfare checks flowing.
>>83275690
>It was meant as a nation of European immigrants.And when they called America a melting pot, they meant of European culture.
You mean Northern European your tard. Most of the white ethnic groups in America right now wouldn't have been considered white back then (barring Germany).
>in an era where we didn't give non-whites rights.
The way it should be.
>>83274422
This kind of commentary actually does have political impact.
It's not that nationalists see nazi's in comics repeat their views and become islamophiliacs all of a sudden. They'd probably just stop reading. It's antifa's getting continuous confirmation that their ideological opponents are literally Hitler and getting an increasingly black-and-white worldview.
Antifa's are radicalizing, you can see it with the trump protesters, they don't know what they're debating against, they don't know why they hate him, they only know that he's the next Hitler and must be stopped before he causes WWIII somehow. Lefty American colleges already have a huge problem with students violently disrupting right-leaning speakers, that's because they genuinely believe they're oppressed.
So lets say Trump wins (I hope he does)
How many butthurt comics will we see from Marvel and DC?
>>83275792
>>83275365
It's not stealing. It was our land eons ago before it was stolen by them. We're just taking it back and theyre not liking having a taste of their own medicine.
>>83275242
you do understand how big Israel is right...?
>>83275849
When Bush got elected Marvel had him lick Ultimate Magneto's boots naked.
Red Skull is absolutely right.
Europeans ruined the Americas
>>83275849
>Dr. Doom crying about 9/11.jpg
>>83275853
Yeah you know I have this religious text saying that I own all of your property because divine right etc, so regardless of actual laws imma gonna need you to just hand over everything you own, you filthy thief, or I'll kill your family
Sound logic right there
>>83275877
agreed. letting the pilgrims settle was a mistake
>>83275942
Remember, if you ever punch anyone, you must let everyone punch you from that point forward
>>83275811
>HA. No. New immigrants don't work because we don't make them. Haven't for decades now.
Again, stats, please.
>>83274733
>You guys
wow, just wow.
did you just say that?
>>83275877
Europeans didn't rape, murder, and bomb the natives
>>83275932
>regardless of actual laws
countries that actually matter don't recognise Palestine as a state.
>>83275980
They didn't bomb them, at least.
>>83275932
We gave the Palestinians dozens of peaceful alternatives however. Not my fault they don't take it and elect TERRORIST fucking groups in response.
>>83275980
They did all of those apart from bombing. And that's mostly because there were no cheap alternative bombs back then and they had to resort to guns and knives. Or else they would have.
>>83274422
Or maybe you just share the same beliefs as the red skull?
>>83276029
and red skull is evil so if red skull says those things, those beliefs are evil
this is going great.
>>83276029
>I hate having politics on my comics/other media unless it's stuff which I agree with
Daz 4chan.
>>83276029
Red Skull has no beliefs. He just has a big hard on seeing people festering hate and fear and the chaos it ensue.
Also, messing with Captain America.
>>83276072
He has a known belief system, he's the biggest nazi in the Marvel, trained by Hitler himself. He also has what you describe.
>>83274758
>The Nazis had Muslim allies
>it's revealed that Kamala's family was part of that Nazi heritage
>Hail Hydra, peace be upon it
>>83276057
>and red skull is evil so if red skull says those things, those beliefs are evil
Not the anon ou are talking with, but seeing Redskull actually expressing those opinions doesn't surprise me.
Nazism didn't take over Germany by saying "look how evil we are". They did it by presenting simple solutions to complex issue to a population that felt like no one else cared about them.
Yet this is still clearly the "Us against them" speech, "Our Shit, those fuckers".
The opinion expressed by Redskull, here is relatively common, nowadays. It play on fear and on the notion that only him can do something about it.
This is why the writers made red skull express those opinions. This is a seducing speech that call to our basic instinct. He didn't want to evilify an argument, he considered it was already evil on its on to fit RedSkull as it was.
You might not agree with this, but I do.
>>83275963
if you inherit something stolen it is you moral obligation to give it back, with a statute of limitations roughly 200 years
>>83276174
Well it's been over 200 years senpai, natives btfo'd the fuck out
>>83275529
>>83275811
FUN FACT: African immigrants (as in 1st/2nd generation) are among the most successful social groups in the US.
>>83276172
Your opinion is based on the fact that you think Red skull is just wrong here. Just because it's populism doesn't mean it's disingenuous. We see the same thing we Trump today, many people consider his simple solutions to be too far, but the reason he wins is because he address real problems that others are too afraid of. Like it or not, illegal immigration for example is a real problem and it's the fault of a political climate that won't address it that allows populism to take hold.
>>83274422
Regardless of whether or not you agree with it, do you doubt that someone like Hitler would give a speech like that?
>>83276227
The descendants of african immigrants, not so much.
>>83276174
>with a statute of limitations roughly 200 years
Just long enough to benefit you, and not the people you stole from. Unless of course you're claiming ownership of something based on divine right, but that would be silly.
>>83276172
>"Our Shit, those fuckers".
This is funny every time to me.
But yeah Red Skull has a habit of tugging at heartstrings pretty skillfuly, sometimes by pointing out real problems, he even did it to Steve in the past.
>>83276259
If you mean African-Americans, it's not really surprising, they are very different populations culturally.
Anyway anon was talking about new immigrants, and the legal ones tend to do great.
>>83276244
>Your opinion is based on the fact that you think Red skull is just wrong here.
Not so much wrong as playing on the fear of his listeners while providing no substantial solutions.
Donald Trump is not Evil as Red Skull. hell , he is most likely not Evil at all. But his solutions (when he has some), if less harmful, are as pointless and infective.
I don't dread Donald because he would be a bad person, but an incompetent one. I don't want a Bush 2.0 (3.0?).
>>83276319
Daddy Bush wasn't incompetent. He might have been a bit evil though, but only a bit moreso than your average politician.
>>83276172
> They did it by presenting simple solutions to complex issue to a population that felt like no one else cared about them.
Simple solutions that NEVER work out in the bigger picture. Putting the Jews in camps and taking their wealth could have only sustained the economy for so long. Hitler had led them on the road to war long before he was even elected.
His "simple solution" just drained his resources further in a war he could have never one.
But I agree with you. I don't think the guys here (like him >>83276057) are getting it. The writers were showing how somebody could manipulate anybody to do horrible stuff just but by pushing at the right buttons at the right time.
Hitler did. And so did Red Skull apparently.
>>83276319
3.0, we already had Bush 2.0, his name is Obama.
>>83276343
There was a bit more to national socialism then fighting wars using stolen jew gold...
>>83276244
>many people consider his simple solutions to be too far, but the reason he wins is because he address real problems that others are too afraid of.
The actual issue is that PR people of campaign consider the Americans voters stupid and that they fear a candidate that would take the time to explain a complex solution that would actually work to the voters might actually lose points.
This lead to the consequences that we either have candidates with stupid solutions, or candidates for which we have actually no idea what they would really do for the issues in questions.
>>83275693
>Yeah that's completely wrong. The decisions are made in the Europarliament, which is made of the representatives each country elects aming themselves to send in. Just like a normal parliament.
Wrong. the decisions are made by the unelected bureaucrats of the European Commission, who then tell the Parliament what they should discuss.
>>83276343
>Hitler failed
Germoney is currently one of the most prosperous nations in Europe. Pre WW2 their economy was so far in the shitter that people were burning the money to stay warm during winter.
>>83276385
You do know that both Clinton and Trump have plans and policies on-line that you can peruse at your leisure. Obviously in front of the cameras they stick to talking points and attacks but the info is out there.
>>83276351
Say what you want about Obama, but he actually managed to make the economy better than when Bush left, even if it was a long unsteady road to that point.
>>83275870
Shit, we got President Luthor and Homeland Security Adviser Osborne out of the Iraq War, a Trump Presidency would lead to Authority-style "the American public can't be trusted with democracy" ranting.
>>83275980
>white people dindu nuffin
>>83276389
they'd be 376% better off if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland. You can look it up
>>83276408
Somebody put this old pic up to date.
>>83276408
>president
>having any effect on the economy
I swear, people think there's like, a magic lever in the oval office that has two settings, good economy, and bad economy, and that Bush flipped it over to bad economy for whatever reason.
>>83274422
>a racist being racist
I don't see the problem
>>83276440
Have you SEEN the tits that polish chicks are sporting? They couldn't just leave that shit un-reiched.
>>83276389
So, it was Hitler's plan all along to get Germany be parted in two by the URSS and the Occcident so that the US would inject tons of money to make its economy better?
>>83275853
>It's not stealing. It was our land eons ago before it was stolen by them
Modern Palestinians are the Arabized descendants of the peoples that lived alongside the ancient Hebrews in Judea
You're "muh revenge" fantasy is nothing but delusion
>>83276386
This is correct. Appointed "experts" make reports that ultimately are what the Parliament's decisions are based on.
>>83276490
Honestly, I think he knew he was on a suicide mission all along, but he didn't understand how hard they'll strive to ruin all that he stood for.
It's a well known fact that to create an era of peace and prosperity in a nation, first you have to have an authoritarian government system that makes all the infrastructure and forbids all kinds of shit, and then you have to overthrow them but still use the things they built to create new culture etc. This is a legitimate political principle that has been theorized about for quite a while.
There's also Hitler's obsession with all the Third Reich buildings looking good as ruins. Speer wrote about that. I'm almost certain that he knew that the buildings wouldn't become ruins in a thousand years but pretty soon, but he didn't predict that the allies will literally flatten everything to the ground.
>>83276416
>"the American public can't be trusted with democracy"
Reminder that your democratic model isn't very democratic anyway.
>>83276490
He said Germany would be prosperous again, and it is. Perhaps not entirely by his hand, but he started the ball rolling.
>>83276555
>implying i'm a seppo yank cunt
>>83275853
First This>>83276505
Second. See pic related?
Those are the officila borders ISRAEL ACTUALLY AGREED with the UN community (at a point in time when the UN had a strong pro Israel stance) as being defined as THEIR official borders. Anthing outisde of it is not your lands.
>>83276546
>first you have to have an authoritarian government system that makes all the infrastructure and forbids all kinds of shit
That's not a fact, but a political opinion.
Actually it's not even that, it's an historical inevitability, as, as far as we know, all nation started with an authoritarian government, so it's kind of hard to make a comparison with any alternative.
>>83276546
>Honestly, I think he knew he was on a suicide mission all along,
> Adolf Hitler's "Third Reich" ("Drittes Reich"), which in his vision would last for a thousand years to come ("Tausendjähriges Reich"), but which ultimately only lasted for 12 years (1933–1945).
>>83274978
Cathloicfag here, that didn't work out super great.
See people lie.
>>83276629
>That's not a fact, but a political opinion.
I meant to say it's a well known fact that this school of thought exists, sorry. I tend to get lost and make incomplete rambling sentences in English.
>>83276697
Okay, but I still don't see how it would be possible to compare it with any other form of alternative.
>>83276546
> I think he knew he was on a suicide mission all along, but he didn't understand how hard they'll strive to ruin all that he stood for.
> I'm almost certain that he knew that the buildings wouldn't become ruins in a thousand years but pretty soon, but he didn't predict that the allies will literally flatten everything to the ground.
"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now, they are going to reap the whirlwind.-" Arthur 'Kill them and then bomb em' Harris
>>83274913
>people think its easier and cheaper to build a wall.
Fixed it for you.
>>83274928
They're Sons of the Serpent, a racist cult dedicated to an evil book of magic.
>>83275058
Man you guys'll believe goddamn anything your propaganda guys tell you won't you.
>>83275529
Just eaten that shit up.
"Its not my boss's boss skimming off of me, its those fucking poor immigrants!"
You're looking in the wrong direction dude.
>>83276721
>The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them.
To be honest, Chamberlain did everything to comfort them in that opinion.
>>83275932
Its not just a religious text, there's a ton of archeological evidence that the Jews lived in Israel.
I mean things have gotten ridiculous on both sides but don't discount a source just because it isn't wearing a fedora.
>>83276227
> have everything handed to you on a silver plater
> taxes paid by actual Americans go to your welfare checks
> immunity from the law because "das racist"
> most successful
No shit. When the whole fucking country is designed to prop up shitskins, they get rich. In other news, water is wet.
>>83276824
There could a cartoon of everything you just said, making a character repeat everything word for word, and people would complain about it being a strawman fallacy.
>>83276854
Because it is a strawman fallacy.
>>83276156
>the nazi's had ARAB muslim allies
>this relates to Kamala somehow even though she's curry and her ancestors most likely fought the nazi's somehow...
Lmao.
Reposts.
Why the fuck does anyone even care? It's such a boring twist and boring storyline. It boggles my mind that people at all find this interesting. It's so against the characters grain that it's obviously an asspull, so there's no drama whatsoever.
All this grace and tact from the same guy that wrote the Red Skull, one of the most unequivocally evil beings, as a tame democrat discussing refuges in the same issue.
Amazing Spider-Man 700 was shit, but at least there was a sense of gravitas. Peter actually died. Otto became this strange crazy version of Spider-Man. With this, it's just... shit. He'll pretend to kill people for a few issues and in the 6th it'll all be revealed to be a dumb plan and everyone was fine.
I can only assume Mouseketeers are shilling this, because this entire idea is so forgettable.
>>83274818
>>83274652
>>83274585
The thing is, for this page, I think Remender agrees with Skull. It's just that Cap is a hero and just one man. There's nothing he can do that will change society into the way it should be. I think it was to make him feel powerless and make him waver in his motivation to take down Skull.
>>83274801
America isn't the one destabilizing the countries though.
>>83274472
He makes opinions that are reasonable to to brainwashed masses that think Faux News doesn't lie almost as much as Donald Trump. All of this is sprinkled with hyperbole to the point that the his speeches are true in the same way that water is a toxic chemical that can kill a person with certainty if they're exposed to too much of it at best.
Eg Red Skull speaks of "millions" invading Germany. There number of refugees TOTAL at the time this had to have been written wasn't even close to 2 million in all of Europe yet. Germany barely has above 300k Syrians "invading"(Or if you actually pay attention to reality you mean fleeing a home country that got bombed to shit as a direct result of Germany's own allies.) so by the second panel of his speech and the first one where he states "facts" he is outright lying unless you are retarded enough to not be able to understand the very concepts of math and numbers.
>>83275870
Can't wait for president Red Skull
>>83274569
Why does the average American citizen listen to Trump about the economy or any promises to do ANYTHING involving money considering the shit he's pulled?
Given whom Skull is obviously lampooning in this I'd say this is one of the main things that MU citizens don't beat people in RL when it comes retardation.
>>83278007
>Germany barely has above 300k Syrians "invading"
Yeah, and about 8 million people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc...
>>83276570
>>83276470
BIG BLACK DEBT
>>83278007
The rapefugees are young and very fertile while Germans are old and refuse to have kids. It's more about the long term, the future of Germany and Europe in general is Muslim
>>83274721
Since you've expanded the parameters:
You're off by nearly 6 million and that depends entirely upon what you classify Turkey and slavs as as since they comprise over 70% of the muslims in Germany.
They've also been arriving since the 19 fucking 60's to fill a labor shortage in Germany.
All of them total comprise maybe 1% of the population.
>>83278190
I'm starting to suspect you're jealous of their imaginary virility given that they'd need to have dozens of children per person 2-3 generations to remotely accomplish that.
>>83278040
> Why does the average American citizen listen to Trump about the economy or any promises to do ANYTHING involving money
Because say what you like about him, he's been a very successful businessman. And, in spite of the obscene grip that feminists have over the country, he's been able to make a lot of money without twisting himself into a politically correct mock up of what the left wants white men to be. That gives people good reason to believe that he'll be able to pull the country out of the death spiral that it's in right not.
>>83278075
>Yeah, and about 8 million people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc...
This.
EU was initially supportive towards refugees, because most people expected that we would only get to look after Syrians fleeing their warzone of a country.
But then Merkel and others opened the floodgates by inviting literally everyone who wanted to come - as if their vision of cultural clash was a gentle story of compassion with well-meaning aesop proving how right his intentions were in the end.
Now every new season brings a brand new wave of economic migrants and there is no will to try and stem this tide on any meaningful level.
>>83278238
> they'd need to have dozens of children per person 2-3 generations to remotely accomplish that.
Easy when they're allowed to rape with impunity and leftist cucks will gladly for others to pay for the offspring.
>>83278309
I was recently watching some street interviews with migrants who are temporarily in my shitty third world country. Basically it's young guys who have stupidly expensive looking clothes, well groomed, clearly on steroids, they say they spent 5k euros so far and have lots more to spend to get to France... 5k euros is fucking two years salary here. And the local rich girls are volunteering to feed them and give them free stuff while they're waiting to get illegally smuggled to Hungary and then the way to France is open.
>>83278190
>The rapefugees are young and very fertile while Germans are old and refuse to have kids.
Low birthrates are an issue characteristic for many highly developed countries.
If German leaders want those migrants to assimilate and contribute to the society, it will be only a matter of time before they too succumb to the lifestyle of old, childless Germans.
That is, of course, assuming that they would assimilate. If not, then birthrates would indeed begin to climb up, but at a cost of society disintegrating and economy slowing down until it is unsufficient to support much sought-after welfare packages.
>>83274917
>Wanting to be like those refugees.
If you are an able bodied man and your country has gone to such shit that you are seriously considering leaving, what you should be considering is fighting.
>>83278394
Your country being Denbtistan?
>>83278304
> very successful businessman
Thanks for proving that people in RL are just as retarded as MU citizens. Unless that was sarcasm which is fairly difficult to discern when there are actually people stupid enough to believe it.
He is such a bad businessman that he's worth ten billion dollars less than if he took his inheritance money and did NOTHING.
http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
He's also been bankrupt at least 4 times so uh. I'm not sure what the fuck you think makes that translates into successful.
The only thing he's good at is swindling fools like you that think he's actually worth something.
>>83278456
Against/for who/what?
>>83276821
Well there's tons of archaeological evidence that Native Americans lived in the US.
>>83278511
Everyone?
>>83278503
He is, however, a whole lot more powerful and more famous than if he did nothing. He's a world famous figure and is poised to become the next president.
As for his bankruptcy, you obviously have zero knowledge about what a chapter 11 bankruptcy is. It's not a bad thing, if anything it's a smart way of getting creditors off your back. Again, he's a skilled businessman. The fact that leftists have zero knowledge of business, as evidence by their belief that those ch11 bankruptcies were somehow bad, just makes it that much easier for him to run circles around them.
>>83276821
Saying that Jews lived in Israel is sort of ignoring that most people around Israel had ancestors that lived in Israel or the fact that Jews did not spontaneously plop into israel out of the sky. They have to have come from the native population to begin with.
The Jews currently in Israel are more akin to your 123134534th cousin Kletus from Singapore suddenly showing up with his family and kicking you out and forcing you to live in a septic tank while occasionally having your stuff trashed for not watching anime than your parents kicking you out for being a Neet in their summer home without permission.
>>83278618
I'm going to just assume this is sarcasm as stupid hurts my head.
>>83276227
Well they benefit from all the affirmative action that was designed to help lift poor urban blacks up without actually having the downside of being the poor ignorant bastards.
>Not supporting Trump in the hope that he'll burn the entire thing down and we can rebuild from the constitution up.
>>83278784
>implying trump won't make this country a better place for everyone who lives in it
go back to phone banking for Bernie while your wife is getting fucked by her boyfriend.
>>83278503
>He's also been bankrupt at least 4 times so uh.
Four of his businesses filed bankruptcy, and those were all chapter 11 bankruptcy aka the restructuring bankruptcy instead of the "sell it all and shut it down" kind. Trump himself has never been bankrupt once.
>>83279038
Except the times he told his Daughter that he had no money and that a homeless bum he was pointing at on the street had millions of dollars more than him.
>>83279082
Hyperbole, nothing more. The truth is that leftists have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to business or actually making your own money instead of simply spending someone else's, so it's little wonder that Trump baffles them.
>>83274422
>INVADING ARMY
>"SO CALLED REFUGEES"
>THEY'RE TAKING OUR WOMEN
>reasonable
I know I shouldn't even be looking into these threads but man that's depressing.
>>83279356
You're on 4chan. Your neckbeard ass has no women for them to take in the first place.
>>83279394
Yeah, this is what women say to the accusation, they just bend over for Ali Baba and his 40 buddies and say "we were never yours loser".
>ITT: autism
>>83279430
>they just bend over for Ali Baba and his 40 buddies and say "we were never yours loser".
I wonder how much time needs to pass before such women in 'enriched' countries of EU end up as a target of honor killings for trying to restart their lives.
>>83279038
and he did have hundreds of successful business on top of those four "failures".
>>83279394
Not that this'll enrich the discussion in any way, but I am a woman.
>>83279356
Germany, a nation of 80 million citizens, has taken on an estimated 1.5 million refugees in the last year. Nearly 200,000 in Sweden. If migration to these countries continues at even a quarter of what it was last year, statisticians predict native Germans and Swedes will be a minority in their own countries within the next generation.
If that's not an invasion, I don't know what is.
>>83275242
And are we worried about bombings from Mexico?
>>83279912
Walls stop people. Whether they're carrying bombs, carrying drugs, or whether they're just people trying to go someplace they're not allowed.
Walls work.
>>83279967
Unless they bring a ladder.
Or rope.
Or just find a guy with a good arm to toss it over
Or..
>>83280004
>what is barbed wire?
>what is border patrol?
>>83280022
Not enough to stop a bunch of people that are seriously attempting to get through?
What are wirecutters?
What is stealth?
What is insufficient manpower to cover thousands of miles?
Who is going to pay for all that because Mexico already said "we kill not pay a FUCKING cent"
>>83274926
>That wiki entry was incorrect (corrected it, by the way, thanks).
This is why Wikipedia is shit.
>>83280004
Make it higher, Pablo!
>>83277195
Kamala's grandfather could have fought for the Indische Freiwilligen Legion der Waffen-SS, possibly.
>>83280118
Do you remotely have any idea how many millions if not billions of dollars more that would cost?
It would be cheaper to just bribe all of Mexico until they have too much money to want to go to the US.
>>83280137
>>83277195
>>83276156
>>83279856
> If migration to these countries continues at even a quarter of what it was last year, statisticians predict native Germans and Swedes will be a minority in their own countries within the next generation.
>>83280075
Mexico doesn't get to decide if it will pay.
>>83274422
It's real. And it says a lot of liberals when they're idea of a strawman is a guy talking reason.
>>83279856
>If that's not an invasion, I don't know what is.
A genocide.
>>83280381
>It's real. And it says a lot of liberals when they're idea of a strawman is a guy talking reason.
"Evidence" is a construct fashioned by white racists. Get on with the times, it's 2016, for Pete's sake!
>>83280384
Technically the genocide, as confirmed by John Kerry, is happening in Syria as non-Muslim minorities are wiped out.
Be it by death camps or by refugees fleeing their country.
Taking in refugees actively helps genocide.
>>83280449
What evidence does he present?
why is /pol/ occupying /co/ as of late?
>>83279542
It's already starting. Now that Sharia is being treated as normal, muslims can pretty much do as they please.
>>83274584
>>83280540
>occupying
/co/ has always been pretty /pol/-like
>>83280540
Marvel's tumblr pandering and they think Red Skull is based
>>83280582
>/co/ has always been pretty /pol/-like
People call this place /co/mblr
>>83280620
And people claim that every board is infested with SJWs. People say a lot of things.
>>83280540
Because the political pendulum is swinging back the other way.
Even DC is doing it
>>83280620
people say a lot of things about things they don't like. Doesn't justify acting like a racist knob
>>83280540
>why is /pol/ occupying /co/ as of late?
It is better for everyone this way, to be honest, familia.
>>83275770
>everyone in Europe knows that the government is probably corrupt and probably puppets
This is true
>>83280540
co/ is slowly going tumblr and Marvel has been pandering incredibly hard to SJWs in some of their series.
Captain America = Nazi, Black Captain America = True American
Trump = Nazi
Nazi = Hydra
Hydra = White People
White People = Evil
Basically political discourse has sunk to such a low that it's ending up as simplistic enough to end up in cape shit.
>>83279038
It was also the same business being restructured four times.
