Is it bad that I'm actually hype for this? Like I know this is jumping the shark and it won't possibly do justice to Watchmen's legacy but I still want to see where it goes.
Which of the new rebirth releases do you all figure I should follow if I want to get the full story?
>>83264033
Yes, it is bad.
You need to be part of a hivemind slave.
>>83264033
Watchmen is overrated.
Rebirth is awesome.
>>83264060
Deal with it.
Titans and JLA (if and when the latter gets announced) are my big guesses for the pure Watchmen plotline.
The three big Batman books (Batman, Detective Comics, and All-Star Batman) will probably tackle the 3 Jokers at some point.
The two main Superman books (Superman, Action Comics) will probably tackle the "you're not who you think you are" plot at some point.
One aspect is that we don't actually know what's in the last 3/4s of each Rebirth one-shot (because we've only been given previews of the first 5-6 pages at this point). It's possible that they'll ALL have a thread containing some aspect to the Manhattan mystery. Or maybe they won't and they're just setting the series. We dunno.
But based on the plots of the solitications, we're not getting anything until *at least* the end of August, if not further than that.
>>83264242
>three big Batman books
>three Jokers
It's pottery. One Joker for each book.
>>83264175
>>83264231
Do you guys really didn't noticed that I said that he have to form his own opinions and ignore what other losers think?
I thought that the sarcasm was obvious.
>>83264033
Sounds like Abnett's Titans book is going to carry most of the story immediately following the Rebirth previews.
>>83264319
Holy shit that grammar. Do you actually expect people to pick up nuance from your posts when you can't even express yourself with correctly formed sentences?
>>83264033
>Watchmen's legacy
I keep hearing this, but I just found Watchmen to okay, not great, not horrible, just okay.
I'm still excited for Rebirth though, it'll be the first time I really dive into DC's stuff.
>>83264766
>>83264175
Obviously some people will disagree but I think Watchmen deserves the level of admiration it receives. The story is tightly woven and the characters are compelling and feel real. The art is excellent too. Just my opinion though.
>>83264033
Some stories just have an end, period. They aren't better served by continuing or... some new adventure. PLUS, It's really weird to me that Superman exists as a comic book in the watchmen universe so now I have all these questions I don't think anyone intends to answer in this story.
As for your own "hype", that's on you. I'm willing to over look some bullshit to fix some of the problems with 52.
Things like this are usually overall explained by sticking to the main titles. Bat Titles Supes JLA, and Flash I bet will cover just about everything.
>>83264033
No. Its a good idea.
>>83264938
Remind me again how Watchmen ends?
>>83265163
With Dr. Manhattan saying he's leaving to make new life, Ozymandius dealing with what he's done And Rorschach's Journal in the the "crazy" pile of that news paper maybe about to be picked up and read maybe not. A bunch of news reports about the incident halting the war and it being a miracle and Russia sending aid for the catastrophe, And Nite owl and Silk Spectre sleeping together.
Watchmen's great, but it's legacy isn't in any danger.
Even if this ends up being shit, it doesn't change the original.
>>83265163
>NOTHING ends, Adrian. Nothing EVER ends.
>>83265330
Not sleeping together. Married.
>>83265330
WAIT NO,
Nite Owl and Silk Specter vist her mom
>>83264033
>Which of the new rebirth releases do you all figure I should follow if I want to get the full story?
Nobody knows at this point? Somehow I think not even DC knows, they're kind of winging it.
>>83265397
and watch Outer Limits
>>83265446
Nah, they just say hi and then leave. Little bastards interrupted her TV show!
>>83264938
In the end? Nothing ever ends, anon. Nothing ever ends.
Plus it's only Manhattan that is making an appearance, the rest of the roster most likely won't be introduced to the dcu.
>>83264033
We're jumping over that shark and tossing dynamite down it's throat!
Who wouldn't be hype? It's gonna be great.
I just want to see Rorschach again, just one more time. Even if it's just a cameo through a flashback or something to that effect, I'll still be happy.
>>83264033
>Which of the new rebirth releases do you all figure I should follow if I want to get the full story?
teen titans ft. Wally seems to be a must.
Batman Rebirth is about the 3joker mystery which may or may not be relevant to what Manhat did.
other than that, who knows.
>>83264475
His first sentence is fine though, you don't need to get mad because you didn't pick up on the sarcasm
>>83265516
>the rest of the roster most likely won't be introduced to the dcu.
You can't seriously believe in this.
>>83264033
It would be bad if you were hyped for it
>>83265376
Stories end...unless they're in comic books then they drag on and on every so often getting noticeably worse as new writers try to come up with fresh ideas to make you forget or in an attempt to rewrite the bad ones that came along in between. That themselves were just attempts to mix things up from the same monotonous story that had originally been told.
>>83265614
>Stories end
Name ONE.
>>83265644
The three little pigs.
>>83265592
Why would they? Manhattan's not a big enough fan favorite to present a risk. Using him is the safe option. If DC fucks him up, it won't generate the same amount of nerd rage you'd see if they fucked Rorschach or Ozymandias up.
>>83265614
Stories end, yes. Characters don't.
>>83264923
Yeah Watchmen is legitimately a GOAT comic, but nothing that happens in Rebirth is going to go back and change or invalidate it.
>>83265592
She doesn't look to bad.
She kind of looks like she killed someone and is thinking 'yup, not sucking my way outta this one'.
Solicitation charges or drug charges?
>>83265687
Got a sequel and multiple retellings/reboots.
So, I picked up DC Rebirth this week along with everything else I usually pick up. Is this a good jumping on point or will I be lost.
>>83264923
The characters are based on the assumption that Freudian psychoanalysis is an actual science. It's not. They're not "real" as much as they are "the type of characters people are used to seeing and expect to see due to them being the norm in movies and TV".
>>83265787
>Arrested:
>11/27/2011
>Charges:
>DWI, speeding, no proof of insuranceEnjoy: https://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-star-mugshots
>>83265792
Three little pigs has a sequel?
Is there a sequel to Goldilocks where she sleeps in other woodland animal family beds before being arrested for multiple counts of breaking and entering.
I bet you like the Endless being an official part DCU too.
>>83265874
>Is there a sequel to Goldilocks where she sleeps in other woodland animal family beds before being arrested for multiple counts of breaking and entering.
Actually... you might want to read Fables.
Also, if I'm interested in the new Titans book should I read Titans Hunt?
>>83265708
They already used Doc M, I can't see how they would restrain themselves and not use the other characters. At least four more.
>>83265848
>Based on the assumption that Freudian psychoanalysis is an actual science
Can you explain this opinion? Sounds like you're just using buzzwords.
>>83265879
They were always part of the DCU, retard. They mention the Justice League periodically, Arkham Asylum and Scarecrow make cameos in the first arc, Element Girl is a character, etc.
>>83265874
Most fairy tales have had people write sequels to them about what happened later. I've seen stories where the sequel to 3 pigs the wolf goes and meets red riding hood and the two pigs he ate gets saved by the huntsman along with red hood and granny.
>>83265847
I think it's a good jumping on point.
>>83264033
Rorschach/question team up when?
>>83265934
I just went back and re-read it, and thought it was pretty good. It doesn't really have a lot to do with Rebirth until the very end because the cause of everyone forgetting the team was due to something else besides Manhattan.
>>83265855
>https://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-star-mugshots
mother of god,man.
Like the DUI's are no big deal, The prostitution I expect, Possesion of drug paraphanalia is a BS charge no matter what, Domestic abuse, there had to be a few.
>Unlawful intercourse with a minor and rape. Illegal relationship with a 15-year-old boy from El Sobrante, for supplying the boy with illicit substances and for concealing him from his parents.
WTF ELISE
really?
>>83265956
They're part of the DCU the same way Thought Robot is you tard, intangible concepts outside of Sandman and Lucifer.
They were never meant to be seen in DC proper, unless complete and utter hacks write them in like Johns
>>83265592
Johns just needed a reality warper who at the same time represented cynism to create the basic metaphorical conflict of the dc universe. The other characters are too grounded to work within the dcu. Maybe they will be introduced in a few years from now when dc gets desperate enough, but I'm pretty sure that they won't matter that much in the rebirth storyline. If they are introduced, it will probably be as metaphores of the tone shift in the dc universe after the 80s.
>>83266156
My favorite is Ramon, it's specially funny if you know what kind of porn he does.
>>83266177
>Maybe they will be introduced in a few years from now when dc gets desperate enough
That's exactly what I'm saying.
>>83266246
>>83266177
>>83265592
>Implying these two are not Sam and Sandra Hollis
>>83266166
That analogy doesn't work, thought. The thought robot only exists to fight Mandrakk, he can't enter the world because that's not what he was written for.
Conceptual, abstract, non corporeal beings can walk the earth no prob in the dcu. The new gods are as abstract as the endless. So are the monitors. No reason why the endless should be an exception.
>>83266246
What I'm betting on is that we won't see any of the human characters from watchmen coexist dcu proper during rebirth (for at least 2 years). Hell, even Manhattan isn't being introduced exactly as a character, he's a metaphore for the polar oposite of the values of rebirth.
>>83266425
>Gotham dude is fit and buff and has brown hair, whereas Dan is fat and gross and has blonde hair and a mustache now
The only one you can make a tiny case for is Gotham Girl because Laurie was blonde the last time we saw her, even though her hair was short and she talked about improving her superhero persona by carrying around a gun.
It's not them.
So without knowing much about comics, how long do you think it will take them to continue the Dr. Manhattan plotline?
>>83266563
They changed their appearance once, why not again?
>It's not them.
You can't know that
>>83266835
They said they're taking the slow and steady path with this. Likely a year or two.
>>83266835
If the sales aren't good I can see them rushing it towards early 2017
>>83266850
It's common sense. They didn't even show Manhattan on-panel. With all of the Watchmen, there's going to be heavy build up and foreshadowing before any of them show up because DC's going to want to milk everyone's hype for all it's worth.
>>83266440
>The new gods are as abstract as the endless
No they aren't, they aren't even fucking close. The monitors are closer but still not at the level of the Endless.
The Endless weren't written to exist as tangible beings either thus the comparison is apt. The Endless aren't supposed to be seen outside of their stories, but they are anyway because the DC writing staff is fucking stupid. Just like the Watchmen aren't supposed to be seen in the mainline DC universe
I'm just glad to have Wally back
>>83264033
This would be better
>>83267065
Who's to say they reveal the identity of these two immediately? Seems to me like you are making a lot of assumptions.
>>83267127
The monitors are more archetypal than the endless because they are higher in the multiversal hierachy, according to the map. As for the new gods, pic related.
>>83266440
Wow this is so wrong. It's like instead of some that doesn't read comics and gets info from /co/, they get info from a guy that read stuff on /co/.
>>83264033
>Is it bad that I'm actually hype for this?
yeah
>>83264033
>Like I know this is jumping the shark
Then is fair,
>>83264175
You are a retard.
>>83267390
You might as well explain it. Everything in the sphere of the gods is non corporeal because they are separated from the physical multiverse by the speed force Barrier.
>>83267527
Because you literally are getting all your info from a map that isn't even accurate as a portrayal of the DC multiverse. The map was just supposed to be a cool little image to give an idea of how DC is a big and vast cosmos not the end all absolute defining. Hell even using your map you're still wrong cause it shows one Endless outside everything with his book and only includes Dreams realm. If you actually read comics and not just pastas and images on /co/ you'd no each of the Endless have a realm separate not all existing within Dream's.
>>83267323
>pic related
So the New Gods are gods? Okay, I wasn't arguing that, I was saying they're nowhere near as powerful as the Endless. Also they job all the time but I digress.
As for the Monitors being as high or higher on the cosmic food chain, I call bullshit on that until I see source. And even if it is, that just proves my point further that DC's writers are damn morons
>>83267679
I know that. How does it invalidate my point or support your idea, whatever it is? I don't even know what I'm arguing against.
>>83267127
>but they are anyway because the DC writing staff is fucking stupid.
Read Sandman again you stupid fag, but yes they are not suppose to be used as gimmicks.
>>83267745
Monitors and Endless have never interacted. However if Anti-Monitor is anything to judge Monitor power by Endless are clearly higher up.
Monitors are definitely higher up than New Gods as seen in Final Crisis when it was revealed Darkseid was a pawn for the real final boss Monitor.
>>83267745
The Morrisonian Monitors should be higher on the food chain than the endless, since they exist outside of the edges of the story and manipulate events from a higher point of view. They had machines that could destroy the multiverse and were nanotechnology in their world. The Multiverse devouring hyperflies were also minimal when compared with the regular monitors. The Monitors from countdown and the monitor of the original crisis don't even come close to either the Endless or the Morrisonian Monitors.
>>83267848
The anti monitor is a fraction of a monitor. Basically he was created when a monitor entered the multiverse and, due to the dual nature of the stories, he wa split in a positive and a negative half.
>>83267848
Exactly my point. The Endless are fucking power and not meant to be seen in the main DC books or events. That's why it's stupid for them to be seen in them, and why it's akin to the Watchmen being there too. It defies everything they were supposed to be when their books were originally written. Especially in Watchmen's case
>>83267993
I can't really think of any times Endless have shown up in other things outside of some light hearted tongue and cheek stuff. What events are you talking about that ruined the Endless for you and got you so mad?
>>83267823
>Calls me a stupid fag
>Yet ultimately agrees with me
Holy shit, it's like 4chan condensed into a single post
>>83268046
Death once showed up in action comics to Lex Luthor during a near death experience. She also showed up in a captain atom story where she was shown as a mere aspect of death. Gaiman was pretty pissed about the last one, apparently.
>>83265951
Would you use your brain cells for once in your life jesus christ you have infinite access to all human knowledge with 3 or 4 clicks.
Get off your greasy ass and google it. Hell im not even that guy, but christ.
>>83268104
First one was a tongue and cheek iirc. What did it mean she was an aspect of Death?
>>83268155
That she had to share the title with Nekron and the black racer. The race was inevitability, Nekron was death as the ultimate evil, and I don't remember what death was supposed to be. Seems pretty fair to me, I mean, if dc has several interpretations of the same concept they shouldn't dismiss one over the other.
>>83268046
I wouldn't say they "ruined" the Endless or Sandman for me, the same way this stupid event isn't going to "ruin" Watchmen for me. But it's still fucking stupid that they pull this shit.
And it doesn't matter if it's "light hearted and tongue and cheek" it shouldn't happen at all.
>>83268251
But let's assume that you had to stage lex Luthor near death experience. If he had to meet the personification of death, who would you have him meet? I mean, using another character would be dismissing Death's role as the absolute personification of death in the dc universe. Gaiman got mad the last time her role was diminished.
Anyone else thinks it wasn't Manhattan who killed Pandora and fucked up the timeline but a "reassembled" Rorschach with Manhattan's powers?
>>83268412
I wouldn't have written that at all, and if I did I would've been more subtle about it instead of just going 'lol here she is'.
>>83268152
Calling me names doesn't prove you right. Is it Freudian that Watchmen characters have motivations based on past experiences? I'm aware of Freud in a general sense and I've read Watchmen multiple times and based on that knowledge I'd say that calling the characters Freudian is just pseudo-intellectual buzzwording.
>>83268152
I dare you to describe to me one meaningful connection between a character characterization in Watchmen and Freudian psychoanalysis. No, Rorschach taking the Rorschach ink blot test does not count you fucking mongoloid.
>>83264033
I liked it more when I realized it's not really an attack on Watchmen, but the way that Watchman's "influence" has sorta shadowed comics since it came out as the result of people just trying to copy the superficial "grimness" of the comics without paying attention to the deeper layers of deconstruction and satire the series was actually about.
>>83264033
What sort of face is Batman making in this picture? It looks like he's going HURRRRRR with his teeth out like that.
How should I decide which books to support? LIke I'm pretty sure I want to buy Superman, but which book should I go for?
>>83264033
I'm looking foreward to it, too. People need to stop putting Watchmen on a pedestal.
>>83270930
Superman and Action Comics have pretty questionable writers.
All of the spin-offs (Superwoman, Supergirl, Super Sons, New Super-Man) look more promising.
But, ya know, just download the first issues of whatever you're interested in and buy/keep reading the ones you like.
>>83268514
Rorschach wouldn't destroy innocent lives and relationships even if he had a good reason to, because it's objectively evil.
>>83264033
>Is it bad that I'm actually hype for this?
I am DYING for Ozymandias to beat Batman into a broken pile of meat.
Because I'm thinking there is no other character who has enough plot armor to overcome all the Bat faggots who prop that piece of shit up.
I want Ozy to get run down by the Batman, and they get into hand-to-hand, and it looks like it might be close for a while...until Ozy lands a solid hit, and then another one, and the nose breaks, and teeth come out, and then Ozy breaks something, like a finger, then takes out a knee, and then it's just butchery.
And afterward, Ozymandias looks down at Batman and says, "I saw you coming thirty-five minutes ago. So I prepped a few tricks for you."
Ehn. I can dream.
>>83271720
I'm pretty sure that will happen, almost verbatim, then next issue Batman does the same to him even more spectacularly, using a whole city as a trap or something like that.
Because in the end Batman can't lose.
>>83271720
And then Batman at his most broken is forced to reach and use a gun breaking his every code in desperation and fires it at Ozymandias, who catches the bullet.
>>83271720
>then someone comes up from behind Ozy and hits him in the back of the head with a pipe/plank of wood/something you'd feasibly find in an alley
>"But didn't see me."
>Rorschach walks out of the shadows
>"Hope you prepared more, hurm."
Post yfw it happens.
>>83272037
>>then someone comes up from behind Ozy and hits him in the back of the head with a pipe/plank of wood/something you'd feasibly find in an alley
>>"But didn't see me."
>>Rorschach walks out of the shadows
>>"Hope you prepared more, hurm."
>Post yfw it happens.
That...would be pretty awesome.
>>83272037
>>83264033
>Ben Affleck found Jeffrey Dean Morgan's badge.jpeg
>>83264033
I loved Watchmen and I got what it was saying. I'm still hyped for this. Watchmen is always going to be what it is nothing can truly take away from that so let's see what DC does with thisComics jumped the shark decades ago
>>83264938
>It's really weird to me that Superman exists as a comic book in the watchmen universe so now I have all these questions I don't think anyone intends to answer in this story.
This was already answered in Multiversity
>>83266983
>>83266835
They said 2 years. and since Action Comics is double shipping it seems highly likely to me that this will be the story in Action Comics 1000
>>83272037
The day this happens would be the day /co/ implodes
>>83270994
Jurgens isn't really bad when writing Superman. Lois and Clark has been alright. But in saying that "Alright" is as good as it will get with Jurgens. Don't expect a new classic
>>83273571
I didn't read that, I don't buy giant-ass event comics.
>>83273645
>Multiveristy
>An Event
Really, anon?
>implying Rorschach won't be joining the Justice League
>>83267408
Get off of Moore's nuts, fanboy.
>>83267127
didnt Gaiman say he was pleased with that bit where Death confronts Luthor?
>>83268683
he seemed to be ok with it
>>83273699
Rorschach/Question teamup when
>>83273708
take Johns dick out your ass first
>>83264175
t. retard
>>83273675
Fine, 'Some Dumb Scottish Hippie's Incoherent Fanfiction' then...
>>83273825
That's better. Let's not just throw words out randomly or people will think you're one of those queers who doesn't know the difference between a weekly, a crossover and an event
I just don't get it what's the point. I'm not worried about the Watchmen legacy because if it turns out to be garbage people will just pretend it doesn't exist and move on like the Ben Affleck Daredevil movie, but Watchmen was a story with a very defined start beginning and end.
I mean in the end Dr Manhattan goes travel space like he's life-creating Galactus, Nite Owl and Silk change identity and get married, Rorshach stays exploded on the South Pole and Ozy probably starts creating another exploding alien squid in case WW3 starts again and I don't really see the point of them crossing over to the mainstream DC universe, especially when they're not necessary there. I mean why do we need Nite Owl on a universe with Batman?
>>83273961
As far as we know it's only Manhattan
>>83274024
I hope so. Leaving Ozy's lines in there though make me worry that he will turn out to be Mr. Oz, even though that's stupid.
>>83273961
From someone who's for it, I like the idea simply because it would be interesting two see two heavily contrasting ways of life/viewpoints collide. Keep in mind that all of the Watchmen characters are from an Earth that's supposed to be as close to the real world as possible. I can imagine that from their perspective, the DCU would seem like some kind of cartoonish abomination where everything they fought for and believed in before they became jaded and lost hope was able to be accomplished by other heroes.
It would be interesting to see some of them cope with that, especially someone like Rorschach if they decide to bring him back from the dead.
>>83274033
Mr. Oz looks nothing like Ozy. For starters, he has dark skin unless it's just an artists quirk and he was just shaded weird. Unless Ozy got roided up or magically changed his appearance when he crossed into the DCU, I can't see it being him.
>>83274055
Maybe he turned himself into Doctormandias, like in Chip Zdarsky's Watchmen sequel pitch
>>83274024
But that begs the question as of why would Dr Manhattan interfere. He only went to the South Pole because of Silk Spectre that was the only remaining link he had with the Earth and it's not like he interfered much, he just went giant for a bit because Ozy tried to desintegrate him and exploded Rorshach. Since according to him he plans to create life somewhere in the Universe I really don't see someone like him coming back into Earth
>>83274132
>But that begs the question as of why would Dr Manhattan interfere.
Because he's a super autist? What he's done also doesn't just effect Earth
>>83264319
you badf at talking
>>83264033
>mfw
>>83264033
>Watchmen's legacy
What legacy? A hundred shitty "what if superheroes were realistic" edgewanks and one grumpy old hack?
>>83272037
>>83264033
Look at the batman's fucking face.
He's disgusted being part of this shit
You can debate about the merits of Watchmen and its place in history all you want (although the consensus is pretty thoroughly in but whatever). It doesn't somehow make this not a stupid vacuous idea with no conceivable merit.
>>83266166
Are you ignoring when Dream goes to meet Martian Manhunter, Element Girl's death, and the entire section with Doctor Destiny?
What am I saying? You've never read it. You'd never be able to pry Mickey Mouse's dick out of your ass long enough to read a comic book that didn't have a red logo on it.
>>83264271
Jokers for whole family.
>>83276307
It's not.
Also Watchmen has been regarded as a cancerous piece of shit by non-normies for literal years now. It's baby's first grimderp.
>>83273961
That's the problem, right here - these characters already served their purpose, there's no point in bringing them back.
>>83265720
I think the issue people have is that Watchmen was made as a sort of snub towards cape stories in general.
So just integrating it into said cape stories does seem to be missing the point rather hard.
>>83264033
>Is it bad that I'm actually hype for this?
yes
>>83264938
>It's really weird to me that Superman exists as a comic book in the watchmen universe
Haha, nah, let me tell you about the time when LoSH was set on Earth-Prime so they had our comic books but still interacted with the main DC-verse as if they belonged to its future.
Phantom Girl and Princess Projectra read a comic about the original Brainiac's comic book origin and later, in an unrelated event, Brainiac 5 managed to send information to the (New Earth) past with Supergirl so Vril (Brainiac 2, also supposedly this Brainiac 5's biological great grandfather) could reform L.E.G.I.O.N. This version of Vril is supposed to be the biological great grandfather to at least three different versions of Brainiac 5 from three different universes, including the one who lives in Earth-Prime's future.
So I don't think Watchmen will be too confusing.
>>83273801
But anon, The Question thinks that Rorschach sucks.
>>83264033
All I care are the books that come out after this. Really, DC has an amazing line up.
>>83264175
>Watchmen is overrated.
>Rebirth is awesome.
>>83265644
The Epic of Gilgamesh
>>83270979
I don't think Watchmen is that special. I do however think DC is really really reaching to try and be popular by whoring out series they haven't before, when what they need to be good and popular are good stories. Even mediocre stories would be fine, but this one-upsmanship that's been going on since Superman Doomsday is totally unsustainable, and having a huge overarching plot for an entire year across all comics is stupid as shit.
>>83277429
It's funny because the point of using Watchmen in this comic seems to be about the fact that the two ideas of superheroes are incompatible and Watchmen doesn't have a place in the broader DCU in the first place.
>>83278842
I really liked Rebirth, but all it was meant to serve was as an intro and preview for the main books coming out of it (Batman, Superman, Titans, etc)
>>83275123
So what happened to post new 52 Wally? According to the one in Rebirth he wasn't involved in the Mr. Twister incident, so it's not him. They also clarified that Black Wally is white Wally's cousin, so it's not him either.
>>83279612
what about the fanfiction released centuries later where Gilgamesh searches the afterlife for Enkidu?
>>83277007
>MAH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLS
Is that the only argument you're capable of? Also real nice selective reading you got there.
>>83281392
New 52 Wally is still around, he'll be in the "Teen Titans" book with Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy and Damien.
>>83278773
They hate each other but have to work together, it's perfect!
>>83273788
>>83273776
I can't speak on behalf of Gainman, but the guy's like a less crusty Moore. He's probably just happy people care this much about his stuff.
Either way, I don't like it. Maybe that just makes me the faggot for being pissed for him
>>83264271
>>83277017
YOU GET A JOKER
YOU GET A JOKER
EVERYONE GETS A JOOOOOOO~KEEEEEERRRRR!!!!!!
>>83281433
n o n c a n o n
>>83281544
That's Bart. In the New 52 they completely changed Wally's character and turned him black, which is why Rebirth was necessary to bring pre Flashpoint Wally back. What doesn't make sense is that in Titans Hunt they reference that white Wally used to be a part of their team but is not missing, yet now in Titans Rebirth it seems they're just going to forget about him and pretend Pre Flashpoint Wally is their Wally.
>>83281544
>>83281882
Nevermind the shit about Bart, I forgot black Wally is replacing him. The rest of my post still stands though. White Wally even explains in Rebirth that black Wally is his cousin, both of them named after their grandfather.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&ab_channel=HarryPartridge
Glad to see DC is moving towards making saturday morning watchmen a reality.
>>83281928
This means that Wally's dad is Reverse Flash. Wonder how that's going to work.
>>83277007
REKT
MarvelDrones are pathetic
>>83282311
He and Damian can bond over having evil parents.
>>83281480
>marveldrone sweating and pathetically trying to change the subject after being utterly BTFO
>>83283114
>Doesn't offer an actual arguement
>SHILLS BTFO! SUCK MARVEL'S DICK LOLOLOLOL
I hope you get triggered by my reaction image being Disney
>>83283313
Are all Mouseketeers this mentally ill?
I like fanfic-tier bullshit, so I was pretty hyped when I saw the Watchmen characters were going to be incorporated to the canon and possibly fight some of the DC heroes, but their portrayal of Manhattan as a bastard who's doing evil shit because he's evil is ticking me off.
>>83281313
>It's funny because the point of using Watchmen in this comic seems to be about the fact that the two ideas of superheroes are incompatible
have you ever read Watchmen? Moore is saying that it takes some kind of personality problem for someone to want to put on a bright costume and fight crime, but he does not hate the idea of being a hero.
DC Rebirth didn't even have anything heroic happen in it.
>>83264033
What the fuck even happened in that scene anyway? It looked like Batman just stared at some random hole and found Comedian's button in it.
No, I didn't read the text. I don't care enough about DC to read the words on a comic.
>>83284005
>but their portrayal of Manhattan as a bastard who's doing evil shit because he's evil is ticking me off.
If you actually read Johns' interviews about Rebirth, that's not how he intended it at all.
>>83284109
>DC Rebirth didn't even have anything heroic happen in it.
Barry remembering Wally and saving him from being sucked back into the Speed Force was a pretty big "FUCK YEAH!" moment for me.
But this wasn't intended as a single story with conflict development and resolution, it's just a preview of what's coming with Rebirth.
>>83284285
the button embedded itself during the Wally scene so he was looking for what flew in
I have a feeling this won't be touched upon until the road to the next relaunch begins.
King of Cereals, do you have enough reese's puffs to prove me wrong?
