Poison Ivy is the greatest dc character she should be hero and not treated as Harley Quinn's girlfriend she needs to get away from Gotham and the Batman editors as they just want to use her as a villain just like in the upcoming Scott Snyder series which is being overjoyed
#PoisonIvyLeague
>>83182330
>Poison Ivy
>hugging a kid
shit that girl's gonna have a full body rash
>>83182330
Back to twatter with you.
>>83182330
Nah fuck off.
Enought with turning female villains into anti-heroes because we can't have male heroes punching them and because you jerk off to them
>>83182369
you. i like you.
Agreed that she needs to get away from Harley but the rest of it is just kind of "ironic shitposting is still shitposting" so I don't see the point. This is what all characterfags sound like.
>>83182353
She helped the child
#PoisonIvyLeague
Isnt she another genocidal murderer?
I'm tired of this shit.
>>83182393
I always thought focusing too much on the Harley friendship would dilute Ivy's straight up crazy person who relates to plants because they're something she can control vibe and what do you know I was right.
>>83182330
>murderous eco-terrorist who thinks plants are more valuable than human lives
>the greatest DC character
>>83182330
I agree with everything. She's shouldn't be just a villain in some Batman book. She should be a villain protagonist with her own book.
who caaaaaaaares
she hasn't been relevant since the 70s
>>83182369
I dunno. Generally i agree but Ivy has been in a weird place since the 80s where they flip-flop on antihero but still a clear villain. Remember how she was a protected of the homeless and kids before Croc got that status quo? Or when she wanted a normal life in Sirens but still was ok with murdering? Or get brief stint with the BOP? And all of this was mixed with outright bad guy stories too. She has a very warped view on life and I think it's kind of interesting.
>>83182478
Poison Ivy should be the character who has multiple comics not Harley Quinn who is just one joke.
Amy Chuck and Clay Mann should do the main Poison ivy comic
#PoisonIvyLeague
>>83182330
She should go all villain again.
People on this board act like fucking hacks always wanting their favorite fapfemale villains to be redeemed, and them complain after it happens. Azulafags/Livewirefags and even Killerfrostfags keep acting like fucking retardeds.
This is a very beta way to live.
Learn to apreciatte a villainess for who she is. You can actually lie villains without crying redemption.
>>83182550
It's just getting boring to be honest.
First Catwoman, then Harley, then Ivy.
I would rather see a male character going on the good side for once at this point
Also the more villains they remove the more Joker we get
>>83182694
>I would rather see a male character going on the good side for once at this point
Some are basically there post-Johns like Captain Cold and Sinestro
>>83182739
Black Adam maybe, but not really Sinestro.
>>83182694
Riddler, Black Adam, Killer Croc, Captain Cold, Lex Luthor, and Metallo off the top of my head.
She should kiss more people to death. That's the thing I like about her.
>>83182627
>Clay Mann
>on a female character
That would be such a waste.
>>83182739
>>83182800
I was just talking about Batman's rogue.
>>83182800
Pretty sure Riddler's a villain again.
>>83182550
Yeah because sometime in the 80s they realized that antihero villain girls sell like HOTCAKES so all of them got made that way.
>>83182739
Sinestro's kidding himself, but I legit miss early Johns Sinestro where he was positively satanic.
Did someone say BEEEAVER?
>>83182829
Riddler and Dent occasionally move into heroic territory, Catman can hardly be called a villain anymore, pretty sure there are some more. Penguin went without crime for some time, I think.
I like beavers!
>>83182878
>>83182919
But...
>>83182905
But they always go back, meanwhile Catwoman at this point is pretty much part of the Batfamily
>>83182939
Those certainly are some manly faces.
>>83182948
Catman's been a decent guy for quite a while now, even before Secret Six, although on the downside he's not featured in Batbooks anymore and god knows when we'll see him again with Rebirth.
>>83183004
Roux really lost his A game during that issue
>>83183015
And if we do see him again people will lose their shit since the logical reintroduction of the character is antagonistic.
That's the real problem with reformed villains, if you have them backslide even a LITTLE, let alone having the reformation fail, fans fucking lose it.
>>83182330
I totally agree actually. Instead of something like a Swamp Thing monster, she can be an eco-terrorist that works with locals on disrupting mining companies. I think it would be cool.
Poison Ivy did nothing wrong, humans are a plague to all life on earth
>>83182330
>ivy
>caring about non-plant related lives.
#NotmyIvy
shes a one note character with a limited gimmick. it couldnt work for gambit in a monthly series it definitely wouldnt work for poison ivy
>>83182905
Catman was a one note joke that would have been some faceless villain offed in another crossover if he hadn't become an anti-villain.
>>83183487
I love that about her. Oh you are a plant eco-terrorist, whats your name?
Oh just a parasitic plant that kills other plants off.
>>83183682
I liked him in Shadow of the Bat and Cataclysm showed him in a good light, but then writers stopped using him at all. So yeah, it was a good move making him an anti-villain at the time, too bad none of DC's new writers seem interested in the character.
>>83183706
that's the joke.
that's ACTUALLY THE JOKE.
>>83183682
I'm not saying it wasn't a good move at the time, I'm saying after he's been off camera for a few years you need to reintroduce him as a bad guy for at least an issue before he goes back to what he was doing.
>>83182659
When has anyone said they want Killer Frost to be redeemed or even sympathetic? The thing people like about her is that she's a completely unrepentant murderer who does it just because she likes killing. That's why no one cares about Frosts other than Louise.
>>83182800
The Riddled is a terrorist on a level that makes Isis look infantile.
>>83184199
Is that the joke. I just thought it was because Poison Ivy sounds femine and she's made of poison so it fit.
>>83182330
Aw, no more Jesus Saiz costume?
>>83183379
>working with locals
>not brainwashing them with spores and using the ones that survived as food for carnivore plants
>>83184199
I think that a lot of readers don't understand that anti-villains are still capable of being villainous. A great example would be in the earlier Secret Six run where he beats up cops to bust out a criminal so he can turn the criminal over to the father of a victim to be tortured.
If they aren't villainous in some degree then they can't be an anti-villain.
>>83184222
The second Nu52 Killer Frost was pretty interesting with her ambivalent morality and addiction overtones. Shame no one bought the ARGUS mini.
>>83184289
I'd love to see a storyline where some two-bit mastermind villain goes to some third-world country to avoid superheroes and accidentally destabilizes the region with what would normally be the plot of a filler arc.
>>83184199
>you need to reintroduce him as a bad guy for at least an issue before he goes back to what he was doing
Yeah, that wouldn't be a bad move. Catman unfortunately doesn't have that many fans anyway, so I doubt there'd be much protest.
>>83184476
I think that more people need to play up the idea that Ivy is kinda fair weather and hypocritical. She hangs out in America targeting business executives when murdering a few logging crews would put a bigger damper on rainforest exploitation.
>>83182330
she should hook up with swamp thing and make a few mutant babies
>>83182829
Then we can dig it.
>>83182330
How come she's not a swamp thing?
>>83184022
>Catman will never make silly puns at Calendar Man again
Although I admit I'm interested in what King will do with Calendar Man
>>83182330
For fuck's sake, what are they doing with Ivy? Why the hell is she hugging a kid saying she'll protect her? Poison Ivy HATES humanity. She wants to kill as many of us as possible in order to give the Earth's plant life a chance to grow. Fighting for the environment is noble. What makes Ivy nuts is the extremes she goes to make this happen. She gives trees/plants/flowers a chance to literally fight back.
Batman TAS understood this. They gave her an episode where she was FINALLY happy living with a family...that she grew from plants. Unless this little girl is somehow made from a plant, Ivy doesn't care about it.
>>83188556
Ivy having a soft spot for kids was established way back in 1999 during No Man's Land.
>>83188556
> Unless this little girl is somehow made from a plant
Exactly that is what happening. Fucking casuals
>>83182353
>>83182330
>>83188556
Oh my god this thread is filled with retards.
>>83182330
I liked her better when she was just a femme fatale
>>83188556
As much as she talks about plant life I feel like its as much about control as anything else.
Her plant family made her happy because they could never cross her, never disagree with her, never disappoint her, never hurt her. They were puppets she was playing with. That's cool.
>>83189741
My favorite Ivy is 1980s Suicide Squad Ivy, who's venal and self-centered and has enough self-preservation instincts to get the fuck out of there after Count Vertigo finally breaks her enslavement.
>>83189837
Oh yeah, she was great. When she defended herself when even the team got disgusted with what she was doing about how they'd all think it was hot if she was the one on a leash and Waller just goes, "Don't you pull that shit with ME girl."
>>83189911
>>83189837
Agreed
>>83189911
Here it is!
>>83190429
Based Waller
>>83190429
>dat slave talk
She must've been fucking furious.
>>83182369
I'd rather they turn all Batman villains into heroes to show that he does indeed have an impact in their lives. I'm writing a story about that very topic.
>>83190429
>4th panel
>Modern day gender politics twitter wars
>>83188334
Catman is a cute.
>>83182426
Just cause a character is a unrepentant killer doesn't mean they can't be shown in a favorable light.
>see Lucifer
>or Dr. Doom
>>83190848
So tell me about Victor Zsasz?
>>83182659
>>83182694
My problem is that a majority of villains are written like shit and just go straight to baby killing and city-wide destruction to show that they're villains and it all feels so impersonal.
>>83190848
How do you change someone like Jane Doe?
>>83182330
Waifufags need to be wiped out.
>>83182330
I want a story about her and Ra's teaming up bitch be cray cray she's left Gotham and still had problems she will cross the line and always be a threat.
>>83190429
I always knew that deep down Ivy was a sub
>>83190848
Even Flash can't manage to achieve this and his rogues actually like him.
>>83190812
She was pretty fucking mad when she found out Ivy'd been messing with Vertigo.
>>83182627
You are aware that this isn't twitter right?
Hashtags do nothing but make you look like an idiot on 4chan.
>>83182330
>#PoisonIvyLeague
>>83193861
Talking about them. I wonder how they felt when this happened
>>83191561
I'm actually surprised that in 40 years, there isn't a significant story where they team up.
I'd enjoy her and Killer Croc getting redemption stories, maybe Mr Freeze as well. Make them anti heroes or at least villains with hearts of gold (think King of the Sewer Orphans Croc)
>>83194192
I know right doesn't it seem like a good idea Ra's could call her mother earth and he's be the ruler of humanity that would respect nature and use his organization with her to make the world green again well until the betrayal.I honestly don't know ho'd do the power play first though.
>>83194192
Eh, while they have similar goals Ra's is a canonical sexist. He doesn't want to give his empire to Talia because she's a woman, he wants a son.
>>83190848
One is a good story.
All is throwing the baby out with the goddamn bathwater.
>>83195533
Ivy.
She'd fuck up, though, because.....
...come on.
>>83198059
Ra's didn't invite Harley?
>>83182330
...She has one.
>>83194192
I feel like that's one of those awesome type of story proposals that would tend to get rejected by most any editor or showrunner for DC.
>>83182330
Your post needs some punctuation
