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>>83083443
the.. the end of what?
>>83167915
I believe the Volume.
Of this chunk of issues that is.
Soooo what did you guys read today?
>>83167950
Hah! Fuck no, we're just getting started. Volumes are huge, I don't call 'em that for nuthin.
>>83168174
the return of Wally West, the last issue of Secret Six, Captain America and Extraordinary X-Men, which is so bad it makes Bunn's Uncanny look like a Masterpiece.
Ah shit, I forgot to do the storytiming trick thingamabob, brb
>>83168288
trick?
I only read Rebirth today, I got a couple other things like Tokyo Ghost but I haven't had time to read 'em.
>>83168345
When you post the OP image from a different computer then storytime the rest so it stays bumped.
>>83168345
Yeah, that thing where youchange your IP after posting the thread
>>83168233
Is it weird to say I like Sam's jug handle ears?
>>83168648
Sam you're the best
So, random question: which one's worse for a character, to stay in limbo unused, to be ruined by future writers or to be dead? (death being not The Final and Ultimate End but an annoyance a future writer will have to get rid of later)
>>83168755
> to stay in limbo unused, to be ruined by future writers or to be dead?
I say option B. I'd rather have a writer try and bring a character back from the dead than explain " no they weren't really evil"
I mean look at Bishop, he spent two different crossovers trying to murder a baby
>>83168755
Sometimes writers legit just forget characters are dead, so it's not there's overlap. I'd say death, for the slight inconvenience of resurrection.
>>83168853
> Sam's face in the last panel
>>83168852
I agree, I feel like the whole "bringing someone back from the dead cheapens death" argument doesn't work anymore because death HAS been chepaned so much already. Everyone jokes about what a "comic book death" means so there's no point holding back, y'know? Just embrace it.
>>83168866
On the other hand this is true as well, a resurrection can be tricky in some cases. Sometimes a character dies off-panel so it's pretty easy to bring them back, other times it's a lot more difficult.
Especially if they're a more minor character, those are the toughest to bring back so you really have to consider your options well before offing them.
>>83168972
>Sometimes a character dies off-panel so it's pretty easy to bring them back, other times it's a lot more difficult.
It won't be until the 2000's, but there was a teen mutant that Kyle/Yost hated so much they killed him off twice because another writer used him after the first attempt. It was the rock mutant who wasn't Rockslide
>>83169059
Hah, that happens with some Green Lanterns too.
>>83168853
/SS/ geez Claremont
>>83168755
limbo, as in, retired status quo who can be brought back at any time.
Bendis brought back Karma for an issue of his new x-men, she nonesensically appeared in the ruins of Utopia with a bunch of d list characters.
No editor told him Karma is a billionaire right now.
Also, he didnt understand that when Karma posseses someone, she doesnt only control their bodies, her mind replaces the mind of the person she possesses. He had teen Cyclops complain about having lost control of his body.
Bishop is a character that was almost ruined completely. The only thing that could redeem him a bit would be for Hope, who is in limbo, pretty much forgotten, to become a huge villain.
A Lantern is only dead until an artist puts them in a splash page by accident.
>>83169123
True, second option seems to be the worst so far. Bishop is an excelent example of this.
>>83169151
The Fair?! Didn't Professor X warn you kids about all the shit the X-Men get into every time a fair/carnival/circus comes to town?
>>83168755
if they are ruined or dead that can be fixed by a good writer, someone would say Beast is ruined but right now is up to Soule (uncanny inhumans writer) to have the chance to make him good again.
As some anon said being dead is trickier but there are good examples of characters what were brought back to life and they were great after that, like Cypher who resurrected in Necrosha.
I think limbo is the worst case, taking as example the academy x kids, who were all great and all that but they became background characters, hell Even Morrison x-teen are getting more attention that them.
But being in limbo can also mean that your story is complete, look at Madrox and Rahne, they got their happy endings, there is no need to bring them back.
>>83168920
I heard Claremont give the best example of this. Marvel was trying to get people to care about Wolverine's death just months after they had a story where the X-Men pulled Nightcrawler out of Heaven
Also I want say something, I downloaded all the 100 issues of new mutants and I only got until the issue 36 where magneto becomes the new headmaster, I wonder what make him quit.
>>83169210
I've read New Mutants more than once, but I always forget about fucking Team America.
>>83169344
>I wonder what make him quit
It's all downhill after Fall of the Mutants. He really did try though
>>83169266
Those are good points, but I feel like writing a character out of a bad spot can be really tricky. I used to really love Hank but after all the shit he's done I'm not sure if I'll ever look at him the same way, unless they reveal he was an evil twin all along or some stupid shit like that.
>>83169123
>Bishop is a character that was almost ruined completely. The only thing that could redeem him a bit would be for Hope, who is in limbo, pretty much forgotten, to become a huge villain.
That wouldn't work either, because they already had Storm lobotomize Bishop to erase everything bad he did and 'redeem' him
>>83169432
>unless they reveal he was an evil twin all along
They already killed off Dark Beast
Of course, I call tired cliche twists like that "dumb shit" but fact is, a truly talented writer can make it work, shame there's so few of them working in the Big Two these days.
>>83169481
Yeah I know, I meant another evil twin. Uh, Darker Beast, yeah that works.
Also I want to comment in something but has nothing to do with the current subject, but it seem marvel gained more attention with the captain america comic that DC with rebirth, I mean for fuck sake the while hailHydra is no trending in twitter, I just wanted DC to win this time, they have taken a lot of blows already.
I am sorry for bringing this here but most of /co/ is already losing their shit and this seem like the only thread were we are actually having a good and calm discussion about comics
>>83169558
It will all be revealed in this special issue of The X-Men " The Real McCoy"
>>83169558
at this point it is easier to kill him and have him be perma replaced by young Hank from the past.
>>83169616
Anger gets way more attention than anything else. Marvel has been open about this
>>83169616
Yeah, that kind of sucked for them, and it's funny because, while they were both pretty gimmicky issues (Rebirth with Watchmen, Cap with Hydra), Marvel's offering was frankly a lot more tired and cliched (Oh no, Cap is EVIL?!?!?!?!?!?!?) so I was expecting Rebirth to trend, guess cheap gimmicks still work.
>my Flash is back
>someone is storytiming Ostrander Suicide Squad
>some based anon is still doing the Great X-Men Storytime
>someone is storytiming Milligan Shade
>someone is storytiming Emerald Twilight
/CO/ IS LOVE AND I LOVE YOU
(I may have gone overboard on the scorpion bowls tonight, but my point still stands)
The only thing that could make my nerdboner any stiffer is if current Mahvel editorial stopped shitting on Cyclops. But one dream at a time...
>>83169681
That might just be it desu, Hank has become a rally toxic character lately
>>83169746
Don't worry, /co/ will be shit again once X-Men Apocalypse comes out in the States.
And then again when Suicide Squad comes out.
>>83169846
>not hiding all movie threads
C'mon X-Anon. You should know by now Storytimes are the only thing that redeems this board
>>83169616
I think the issue is most people know Captain America because of the movies, but only people who buy comics know Wally West.
So, it makes sense that the Captain America stuff was trending on twitter.
This saddens me more because the Captain America stuff seems rather unimportant, it probably just means that Red Skull is using Xavier's brain to give Cap false memories. It is a normal evil telepath plot, not some big revelation.
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>>83169704
That is what angers me the most, I barely read anything from DC but i know about the complains most people in /co/ have about new 52 and it seems DC is actually trying to correct them while marvel gained more attention by releasing a comic about a Nazi using right wing ideas to get people to do suicide bombings (Just like ISIS but AMERICAN) and cap being a member of hydra, Spencer is no even being subtle.
>>83169884
I try to filter them but some still slip through the cracks!
>>83169872
>Suicide squad comes out
Tbh x-anon, I think that movie will be the next DKR for all the meme potential it has.
>>83169908
>Red Skull is using Xavier's brain
I wonder how many people remembered this.
>>83169971
I want to believe it won't be as bad. Quality wise, that is, not meme wise. Memes and DC just go hand in hand, it can't be helped.
OK, this one made me chuckle
https://twitter.com/UOJim/status/735669823011717120
>>83169663
Oh shit, I still have my Wizard issues
>>83170066
I never understood the point of characters like Karma who can do only 1 thing of the many things telepaths can do.
I like her, but I think she definitely needs a buff like Angel when they made him Archangel.
Also lets not forget MARVEL NOW!2.0 that will come out in fall, I am not american Soo i will guess that fall means September and October, I guess we will find out about death of X next month.
>>83169432
I think Bendis just really had it out for Hank when he was writing Uncanny and All-New. He killed two Hanks and the very first page of All-New X-Men was Hank having a heart attack.
>>83169908
>give Cap false memories
It wouldn't even be the first time. When I read the Roger Stern/John Byrne run the first issue is pretty much dedicated to retconning at retcon by using false memories and then I think Dragon Man shows up
>>83170204
That was so silly, couldn't they at least come up with a new name for their relaunches? Was Marvel NOW really that memorable?
>>83170229
Fucking Bendis.
>>83170305
>Was Marvel NOW really that memorable?
I like the way JSA storytimer put it
> Remember that time when you guys were buying a ton of Hawkeye trades?
>>83170229
To follow up on this, I think Hickman wasn't kidding when he said Bendis got pissy because he couldn't get Beast's ape form back.
>>83170254
So are Viper and Silver Samurai fucking or BFFs or what?
>>83170357
Oh fucking hell, don't even remind me of Hawkguy. Now that's one way to ruin a character.
>>83170197
I think it's nice to have limited power sets. It would be kind of boring if you had too many super powerful telepaths. Xavier, Jean, Betsy, Quentin, Emma, and Rachel are enough.
I'm sure I missed a few
>>83170305
It gave us that parody with the High Evolutionary which unknowingly predicted the Axis event.
>>83170416
Such great art, but I really can't stand Fraction's writing
>>83170448
I never read SIXIS, heard mixed things about it.
>>83170229
Bendis is the only person who treated Hank how he deserved to be treated.
>>83170336
AIM is an equal opportunity employer.
>>83170511
Aja was truly wasted on that title.
>>83170413
>If my gorilla man fetish can't be satisfied, I might as well just destroy the character!
>>83170445
I think in the Marvel universe telepaths generally can do many things, I recall a shitty Morlock telepath mind blasting Storm.
I am not even sure if Karma qualifies as a telepath, she cant communicate telepathically. Her power is possessing minds, but she cant read those minds, she just replaces them with her own.
>>83170578
>gorilla man fetish
wew lad
>>83170519
the only important things from that event is that Wanda and Pietro arent Magnetos kids anymore, and now Sabretooth is kind.
>>83170481
Silver Samurai's faulds are so long he's basically wearing a metal hoop skirt.
why is captcha so obsessed with french streets
>>83170649
Which is a shame, because Carnage-Man was a riot.
>>83170703
Yeah, Karma's going to be suffering for a while.
>>83168755
Dude, I love ya and all, thanks much for these threads, but when you ask a question like that don't use the phrase "in Limbo".
Rookie mistake, Bub.
>>83170761
I think it was never explained why Creed is good, but Tony isnt evil, and no one knows what happened to Havok because the Bendis run was such a mess.
Magik>Karma
>>83170761
Lol didn't he burn down a bank so some robbers couldn't steal from it or something
>Spidey actually made sure that memorial Carnage statue was built
Based Pete
>>83170883
Hah! Good point. I meant the Grant Morrison kind of Limbo, not the other Limbo.
Karma is getting fat right now
>>83170945
Rahne >Magic>Karma
check mate
>>83170761
and because of that we now have lovecraft carnage and i love it
>>83170903
Creed and Havok were standing too close to evil Tony Start when old Tony used a superscience forcefield against morality reversal magic rays in order to stay evil.
>>83171001
Was that another of Claremont's fetishes? It doesn't appear very often so I don't think it is.
>>83171038
Bobby's about to go full James Dean.
That's all for today, tomorrow: we tackle a classic! Until then!
>>83171253
I dont think he likes fat characters sexually, but he liked the idea of fat sleazy mind controlling slave owners, kinda like Jabba the Hut.
>>83170978
ah rio before it was the murder capital of the world
On the conversation I missed:
Bishop was so simple to retcon but they had to reform the original instead of just timetraveling back another Bishop from the future without all that bad writing baggage. WTF? Karma also has regular old telepathy these days, I imagine she just uses that instead of erasing brains like a total villian, Original Old Blue Beast is to my mind less obnoxious as a badguy in the making, I will never understand why Multiple Man isn't on all the teams and also retired at the same time, Nightcrawler came back and that was wrong but at least he's made out of actual demon now and there's story potentia there, and last: there were 4 f*ckin' alt-timeline Beasts(!) so someone had to go and we all know it.
>>83171475
And Mojo, I forgot about him. so, yeah, fetish.
>>83171475
There's that body transformation fetish he obviously had, it could have something to do with that.
What happens to poor Karma is so fucking weird and off putting
>>83171147
And then Havok's inversion and reversal was never again addressed because Bendis dragged ass wrapping up his "Last Will of Chuck X" and "Original Sin" issues.
The end
>>83171640
this feels like deja vu.
>>83171253
Fucking Claremont gave me so many fetishes as a kid
Mind control, corruption, body transformation
>>83171682
i say it a lot
>>83171590
Mojo was a very obvious satirical mockery of TV exectutives and couch potatoes.
(I've read that it was based upon personal experiences with TV network execs)
He might have just been going for a look that was as repulsive as possible.
>>83171790
Was Mojo Claremont or Nocenti/Adams? Cause he seems more like the latter
>>83171651
Never addressed? Yeah, because it was never reversed back. He's still evil.
You can visit your brother and hug it out and ask to crash at his place even when you're secret evil. There's no evil rule against it.
>>83171841
Mojo was Nocenti.
>>83171841
Wiki says Nocenti/Adams.
>>83171898
Brian go back to bed, don't you have some overdue Civil War II: Electric Boogaloo scripts to turn in to Tom?
>>83172108
You're like the fifth anon on /co/ to call me Bendis so far...
I'm not going to take it as an insult.
>>83168972
>It's just, I'm a BAD BOY.
>I need to be PUNISHED.
I don't know whether to think this is sad and pathetic or really fucking hot.
>>83172360
Then Claremont has done his job.
>>83172453
Oh Claremont, what a joke you have made of the Comics Code Authority. <3
>>83171841
Nocenti/Adams. From the Longshot origin mini.
>>83169344
One of the best ideas the claremont had was putting Magneto as headmaster. Can't say if it was good a quality pov, but it was definitely interesting.
You are in for some surprises and disappointments
>>83174482
Magneto is great dialog fuel because of his politics and murderous nature but it's just too much of a loss not having that wonderful villian out there to menace the X-teams. Plus they always make him less powerful and less full of those wonderful megalomaniac type ideas like asteroid bases and robot servants.
I wanna say they almost had the right idea with that "Joseph" clone, even though that was all a lot of suck. It's a shame there can only really be one Magneto.
>>83174685
Magneto always had that problem, nobody could decide whether he was a massive megalomaniac or a tragic character. It translates to pretty much everything he appears in, if you look at the big picture, he's a giant clusterfuck, being constantly redeemed then doing something horrible. Sometimes in the same run.
Some writers like Claremont and Morrison managed to note this and exploit it for interesting stories. Many of my favourite X-Men memories have Magneto pulling these kind of stunts.
>>83174848
Well I see that as a failure of the writer's imaginations that they can't unify their concepts of Magneto as BOTH a tragic victim of circumstance, politics, and madness AND him embracing his extreme distorted worldview as a mutant who has the raw elemental powers to remake the world as he sees fit, should he embrace his madness.
Both these characterizations aren't mutually exclusive.
Plus I really like seeing X-characters being really crazy weird as a matter of normalcy for them.
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