Was DC behind the rebirth leaks to generate hype?
>>83069939
I'm pretty sure they probably did.
>>83069939
>blowing up the continuity in the dumbest way possible again
>generate hype
ha
>>83069939
Yes, just like Marvel leaked ANAD.
>>83070131
Outside of this taiwanese imageboard people are excited about the whole Watchmen thing
>>83070188
people are stupid.
this is even worse than before watchmen.
>>83069939
DC is shit at PR, so no. Lucky break.
>>83070450
Well there are tons of people are incredibly salty about Watchmen and think DC's sold out because of it
At least they were smart enough to lift to embargo on reviews and interviews and the like so people could at least see WHY they used Watchmen
>>83070188
I haven't really kept up with the rebirth, what Watchmen thing?
>>83074833
Doctor Manhattan made universe post-Watchmen, and Bats found the Comedian's pin in his cave.
>>83069939
Holy shit Superman and Wonderwoman are smiling? I'm pretty hype about Rebirth. I kinda just stopped reading DC till Rebirth...do I need to catch up? Or is my plan to just hop back on when Rebirth starts this week good enough?
>>83069939
>reboot #200
>hype
>>83074972
Well ain't that something...
When did this happen?
>>83075200
It's in the preview for the Rebirth one-shot. Hopefully the whole story will be a lot smoother.
>>83069939
Batman still isn't quite dark enough.
Superman needs to lose more red.
>>83069939
I can't stand Jim Lee art
>>83075336
I'm ok with his cover art.
It's just really unfortunate when he tries sequential comic book work.
>>83075336
I'm just glad those stupid lines are gone
>>83075336
Never heard anyone say this before.
>>83070188
To be expected, it's an obvious cash-grab by DC because Watchmen is so heavily hyped and lauded by most people with even a passing familiarity with comics.
>>83075283
Lose the red? Seriously?
I'm going to miss the 52 collar on Supes. I grew to like it a lot.
>>83069939
I really don't get why they don't make the boots red.
>>83070188
>excited
Really?
/co/ is basically the only place I've seen so far where the Watchmen thing being okay is the majority opinion or at least the loudest opinion.
Everywhere else is either ambivalent towards it, hates it because they're tired of Watchmen, hates it because Watchmen is sacred, or just plain thinks DC ran out of ideas. The salt towards it is fucking realand amazing.
No they just steered into the skid. surprised they handled it so well desu
>>83069939
God dam, Blue Booties looks so awkward next to those perfect costumes.
>>83076932
>black looking belt with yellow outline
>perfect costume
>>83075283
The yellow/gold highlights are fucking perfect.
Hope the design actually sticks.
>>83076958
Synergy with the new logo and makes more sense than a totally yellow belt. Plus it's more gold than yellow.
Just the right amount of pop while pretending Bruce still gives a crap about stealth and subtly.
>>83075961
even for his new shit
>>83076958
isn't the belt full gold and that's just the shadows?
>>83076885
Everyone in mycomic shopwas kinda excited about it.
>>83074972
Can't wait to see Batman say these words
>>83077007
I agree, but that purple cape just looks way too out of place to me.
>>83069939
>trinity
>three jokers
hmmm
>>83070188
Not true at all. I've seen people throwing fits over DC "taking a dump on Watchmen" on every comment section with articles about it. r/comicbooks seems to be ok with it though.
>>83069939
prbably
>>83070131
salty nufaggot
>>83070188
I useTumblrand most everybody on there seems to be bitching about the three Jokers and Watchmen.
Haven't seen a single thing about Wally, funnily enough.
>>83080544
Everyone is mad byt casuals
If it were true, that would mean they have someone in their marketing division that's half competent.
Which I find a bit hard to believe.
>>83080544
those same people weren't gonna buy DC in the first place even if DC just abandoned the Nu52 Continuity and Made Comics cost $1 again.
>>83083046
Buying DC comics.
>>83069939
>Trinity of two friends and one older guy that looks just like their friend that recently died.
Such a strong sense of unity.
>>83069939
No red underwear, no buy
>>83083334
Would you settle on a belt? Like an actual one with red and yellow and not New 52 shit. Doesn't have to be like this
>>83083265
Technically all three of them are the trinity of the Post-Crisis era with the current reveal, it's just New 52 Superman is in this weird spot I don't really understand.
>>83083428
No.
>>83083428
It's not that weird, Pre New 52 superman that had arrived in new 52 prime earth simply replaced New 52 Superman after he died in the current arc. Both Batman and Wonder Woman will be aware that he's not their superman but just another one.
>>83083476
It's not going to completely come back any time soon. I'm sorry to tell you this. Best you can aim for is a thick belt
>>83083529
That's the thing though, according to Rebirth the New 52 isn't even a new continuity, it's just Post-Crisis with everyone missing 10 years of their lives thanks to wacky reality warping. So either New 52 Superman is somehow someone else or Post-Crisis Clark and Lois were plucked out before they could "forget" like everyone else.
>>83083428
Drawing a belt that weird looks goofy as fuck. Why can't a belt just be a fucking strap with a buckle, why's it gotta be some bizarre "let's pretend this is the equivalent of trunks" shape?
>>83083538
That's stupid though. His look is fucking iconic, why change it?
>>83083659
Those missing 10 years caused events to play out differently, so by all effects he's just an alternate version of their friend.
>>83083695
It's been changed countless times before. Do I need to list all the variations to you?
>>83083659
So... Wonder Woman has a relationship with Superboy?
>>83083884
>Implying New 52 Superman isn't a pile of sand all along
>>83083659
>everyone missing 10 years of their lives thanks to wacky reality warping
Except the Batfamily...
>>83083695
Because it's a fucking obsession that has no relevance. All the characters have changed / modified their costume over the years. Batman has lost his trunks too. So, this is just a principled war.
>>83083884
hot
>>83083949
right now nearly every Robin was only Robin for like a year before getting killed off/running away, then showing up fully grown shortly after
>>83084007
Superman's costume is iconic. Batman's never was.
>>83084080
Tim was never Robin.
>>83084111
Does it matter what name he went by? He was Batman's partner either way
>>83083949
Damian is 10 but Bruce only started as Batman 6 years ago. Wat.
Dick is 21 and was Robin for a year at 16-17 but we still get flashbacks of him as a 12 year old living with Bruce.
Jason is 18ish and was Robin for like, a month.
Tim was.... who the fuck knows with Tim's origin now. Tim was there.
The missing 10 years explains it all. Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Nonsense.
>>83084161
What matters is that Tim Drake isn't even his real name.
>>83084171
Damian is 13 as of Rebirth.
>>83084080
It's all incredibly condensed, and Bruce seems, in fact, the only one that is not rejuvenated. Also Dick and Jason seem to be too much grown
So which Joker was Morrison's? Bollands? At what point did we lose Golden age joker?
>>83084171
It's been a bit more than 6 years since he started being Batman, and Damian's aging was sped up with Apokolips tech.
lmao I remember that shitty suit.
How mad is Moore over the watchmen thing?
>>83084286
Why did they go pure blue and red in the final?
>>83084317
Oh i'm more than sure he's now the leader of the red lanterns.
>>83084286
They always still draw Supes with the underwear anyway its just colored in the same as the rest of the suit. Love the gold bling though. It adds a Mr. T feel I can dig.
>>83084317
he probably thinks its brilliant, and is soaking up all the Rorschach fanboy tears to protect himself from Stan Lee
>>83069939
what was leaked?
>>83084317
He's probably more mad about people constantly talking about it
I wouldn't be surprised to be honest, I've heard more people talk about this book over the past few days since it was announced a while back.
>>83084286
If you put the n52 belt and remove the golden bracelets, it's fine.
![1f1388ce17d5680e4a1ec499d7251d3b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YWQwUZy.jpg "1f1388ce17d5680e4a1ec499d7251d3b[1].jpg")
>>83084178
>>83084111
>not a Robin
>not even a Tim
DC is the better publisher by a mile though, right? I mean, squirrel girl? spider-gwen? Marvel is literally wasting resources and ink.
>>83070131
>in the dumbest way possible
Naw, the last one was the dumbest way possible.
This is just finally trying to unfuck it.
>>83069939
>New52 2.0
>DC universe reboot #5 or some shit
>People are actually hyped
eh.
>>83084520
How? Are you just going NOT MUH?
>>83084277
>Damian's aging was sped up with Apokolips tech.
Retcons like this are precisely what Dr. Manhattan is responsible for.
>>83076034
>Snyder brings watchmen to the silver screen
>Snyder is in charge of the DCCU
>Watchmen are now canon in the current universe
Watch how Hack will pull a watchmen 2 and some nice crossover with JLA in the next 5 years
>>83084556
>>New52 2.0
This is like the opposite of the New 52.
>>83069939
I'm a faggot, but i dont dislike this new Superman costume...
however, it works only with this inker which tends to darken the suit designed by Lee.
>>83084252
>At what point did we lose Golden age joker?
when they started drawing him with extra large teeth and chin
>>83084558
Well I'm not an underage b& who only started reading comics within the last 5 years and thinks everything somehow makes sense the way it is, so...
>>83069939NOW LISTEN UP
>>83084575
same concept in rebooting the universe though, isn't it? I'm a bit out of the loop I guess.
>>83083659
I think Nu52 Superman is probably a rejuvenated and resurrected Kal-2 from the original Earth-2.
I doubt that DC was behind the initial leaks, but I'd wager that after the SDCC footage leaks for Suicide Squad and the subsequent official posting of that footage to YouTube, it's probably better in the long run to recognize a leak, acknowledge the leak, and offer additional context regarding the leak than to pretend that the leak never happened or to try and suppress information about the leak.
>>83084597
This joker thing makes so much goddamn sense now.
>>83084618
I'm actually someone who prefers Pre-Crisis canon. I just find it more confusing that they're not sticking to the New 52 and instead having some big reveal that it's actually the continued adventures of Post-Crisis characters thanks to Dr. Manhattan being drunk. That sounds like it can get even messier then CoIE which was a piece of shit.
>>83084688
That'd be awesome
>>83084667
no, Rebooting would mean that they went back to 0, back to the start, wiped out, erased, back to square one. THIS IS NOT A FUCKING REBOOT REEEEEEE
>>83084667
it's characters rebelling against the previous reboot to reclaim what they lost in it
>>83084667
Reboots and Crisis are an historical feature of DC Universe. It's not nothing strange.
>>83084738
>prefers Pre-Crisis canon
Wow, really?
Huh. Well that's an opinion I can respect despite disagreeing with, unlike faggots who like the Nu52.
>inb4 Wally shouts "not muh universe" and proceeds to rip off a Titan's arm
>>83070188
>taiwanese
It's more akin to Japanese, actually.
>>83084774
CoIE broke a lot more things then it "fixed", people forget that the era right after it was a complete mess. The loss of the multiverse was the most tragic part until they sort of brought it back.
>>83069939
>They're even getting rid of the boots
I'm going to get in my car, drive to Burbank, and run screaming the lyrics to "You Don't Mess Around with Jim" through DC HQ.
>>83084858
The loss of the multiverse was the best part. Should have let that shit stay in the past.
>>83084688
>I think Nu52 Superman is probably a rejuvenated and resurrected Kal-2 from the original Earth-2.
I like it, but...I doubt it. The truth isthat n52 Superman is Superboy-Prime
>>83084738
Tell me anon, which of these were you?
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>>83084914
Too young to be any of them, only 19...
>>83084896
I will fight you, anon. I'd rather have an endless multiverse then a very limited 52 (Though I like the ones in Multiversity) and trying to cram everything on one Earth is stupid
>>83085030
How is it stupid? Having a hundred versions of Superman and Batman is stupid.
>>83085086
>Hundreds
All you needed to know was Earth-One and maybe the fact Earth-Two was home to 1940s versions. Do you think Marvel should toss out it's multiverse and try to cram things like 616, Ultimate, 2099, MC2, Ultraverse, New Universe, etc. all into one world? I'm very glad that's (techincally) not what Secret Wars amounted to.
Maybe.
Even if they aren't, I at least appreciate them not continuing to try and hide it after it leaked everywhere, as the recent interviews with Johns seem to indicate.
>>83085173
Ultimate was shit and deserved to die.
MC2 and 2099 was supposed to be the future.
Ultraverse? Nigga what? Is it the 90s again?
I hate mutiverse shit, but alternate universes can be fine if they are different, but if it's just a different skin colored Superman or something, it's shit.
Is Johns' DC Rebirth book only a one-shot?
I thought he was doing a mini.
>>83085249
Earth-One and Two were the only ones that mattered and you can tell them apart. I'm just confused why you think it'd be better to merge them all and not expect a continuity clusterfuck. You can't unwrite things, those stories would still exist and possibly make little sense on this...New Earth...
>>83084688
>â–¶
But now he's DEAD again. There's really no point in bringing back Kal-L just to kill him.
I wanted Kal-L back. But in the end this is just the exact same thing. Nothing has effectively changed in this regard
>>83084869
Eat a lot of beans and fart in Didio's face
>>83084952
Fuck off brat.
>>83084896
>doesn't like the multiverse
>>/marvel/
>>83085686
Nah, I'm good.
Of course, anytime any kind of movie/comic/videogame trailer/teaser "leaks" it's on purpose from the companies. You don't post an advertisement on the internet by mistake.
>>83083693
Superman's briefs and costume are based on circus strongmen.
the meaning behind the briefs are long forgotten since circus strongmen dont dress like that anymore, but weightlifting belts are still a thing, and it can imitate that instead
in general it's about breaking up the blue around the midsection with some red. stylistically it works. the trunks were about the right size. and a belt like that one is also about the right size to break up the blue.
the Nu52 belt is pitifully small. it is barely noticable, which makes it fail at its purpose.
>>83086173
Luthor's got some red briefs going on. I think DC's going to go back to the briefs sometime. Maybe this year or the next.
I think it works better than the New 52 outfit, which I am glad is gone. Still think it looks better with briefs, though.
Since DC is going back to traditional values, does that mean Green Lanterns are gonna be vulnerable to yellow?
>>83084667
Technically, it's the previous reboot breaking down and stuff from the previous continuity making it back.
>>83069939
Why did new 52 have to happen?
Why did DC have to go to shit?
Why did the DCEU end up so badly?
Why did they change the designs into loverly complicated suits with lines?
Why do I no longer wish to read DC anymore?
What was so bad about the New 52 anyways? Is it just another case of nerds being butthurt over trivial things, or do legitimate grievances exist?
>>83085279
Yeah, it's a one shot. Then, there are individual Rebirth one shots for the various characters.
>>83087052
Early stuff felt pretty neo 90s, they deaged everyone which created issues with legacies in the DCU when everyone is under 30, some shitty comics and reimaginings here and there, etc.
Not Muh was there though like with Superman who some call an edgelord when in reality he's really not all that different besides being younger and sometimes showing a sign of brashness.
>>83087052
It was an uneven reboot, with Batman and Green Lantern attempting to carry stuff from previous continuities, while others were completely rebooted. In spite of that, various writers still changed many details and backstories even of those two lines.
Then, there's Superman. The relaunch was messy, since Action and Superman didn't coordinate well. Johns was also never invested in the rebooted Superman. He couldn't even reference the correct origin in the beginning of Darkseid War. After we got out of the relaunch period, then the Superman line started doing mediocre crossovers that just hurt what Action was doing. Basically, it's a similar reason that led to the New 52 in the first place. A Messy failed event (DCYou/Truth vs Grounded) and the line being generally seen as directionless.
>>83084171
it was 5 years at the start of new52, he was active before everyone else, superman was active for six months before JL's first arc, Hal was active for about a year or two, possibly more
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>>83084738
So does that make Dr. Manhattan the new Presence, or is he THE Presence?
>>83087263
Him being a reincarnation of Kal-L or Superboy-Prime would be fucking great.
>>83069939
>Clark is smiling and ready
I don't know why, but this makes me feel happy inside.
>>83070152
>No response by anyone
NaCl detected
>>83086173
Circus strongmen haven't really dressed like that since the 40's, yet people where okay with it in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, etc. Hell in most of those eras most people probably didn't make the circus connection anyway.
>>83069939
some on from the inside hated black flash so he wanted it to be exposed and get torn apart by the fandom
>>83083428
New 52 superman becomes new superman prime
>>83088348
Even by the 60s the look lost it's popularity. Notice how a lot of notable characters from that era don't look like Superman
>>83088369
do you mean the black flash? the black racer? or do you mean black wally?
>>83087052
>or do legitimate grievances exist?
DC had no idea how to implement the reboot because it had been done at the spur of moment to basically save the jobs of the existing leadership for the publication division. Furthermore there was an internal struggle within the division which left several ex-Marvel staffers from the 90s in charge of the reboot and they did a mess of a job giving writing gigs to their old friends and letting unqualified people (ex. Liefeld) have scripting jobs. This only heightened the divisions within editorial with DC losing considerable experienced staff leading up to the move to Burbank and leaving the assholes and the least qualified in charge.
Nu52 could have worked if DC leading up to it had better personnel, but instead a decade of internal meddling by upper management as well as editorial itself had resulted in many of their experienced people leaving for Marvel or for Image.
>>83069939
Did DC hire new PR staff or something?
Would be great if they BTFO Bendis' shitty event.
I wonder if people bitched this much when DC went from Silver Age to Post Crisis.
Anyhow, any idea who Mr. Oz might be? Ozymandias? The Spectre?
>>83089019
DC didn't become unsalvageable, did they?
>>83089525
Totally did. In fact you can look up discussions from that time
>>83089525
Second time, I'm posting this today.
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>>83089525
He's the wizard of OZ who we all know is from Kansas. so pa kent
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>>83086992
>Why did new 52 have to happen?
They wanted to do a big shake up, it generated a quick bump in sales in the shorter run, but absolutely unsustainable and completely unnecessary in the long run
>Why did DC have to go to shit?
Because it's run by incompetent people
>Why did the DCEU end up so badly?
See the answer above
>Why did they change the designs into loverly complicated suits with lines?
Dunno, they tried to be "cool and hip" but utterly failed at it, instead doing some 90s shit atrocity
>Why do I no longer wish to read DC anymore?
Because it's no longer the DC we loved anymore, anon. But have faith, based cereal man will save the DCU.
>>83089576
Certain factions from within DC certainly didn't like the reboot. I think what Johns has said in interviews is basically expressing these sentiments (except he doesn't risk getting blacklisted). I think the fact the present leadership really messed up with Convergence and DCYou only strengthened the faction of people that agreed with Johns.
>>83087052
It's a fucking atrocity, from the suits to the continuity reboot. What these characters lost without their history, legacy and relationships is immense.
Anyone got a link to all of the leaks?
>>83087052
Not really, New 52 was fine, the main issue is it tried to be too serious for its own good.
Trying to add something from what Watchmen brought into the table is all good, but trying to make all comics Watchmen-like and have them always be like that becomes tiresome.
Having some serious/dark arcs is always good, but having all the stories be overall moody and serious makes comics boring.
The ideas behind everything were great, even Nu52 Supes had tons of potential, but the writers weren't up to the task.
>>83090017
>New 52 was fine
The constant creator changes on books like Green Arrow or Superman or behind the scenes editorial shit like with Static Shock or BoP. Multiple books getting axed before the 12th issue. Entire lines of books failing such as Young Justice. The constant influx of crossovers with the Batbooks taken to a ridiculous degree. Creators like Lobdell, Daniel and Liefeld being favored at the Harras lead editorial bullpen. It was all ridiculous.
>>83087263
Then theres this whole "Storytelling trumps continuity" bullshit, which was pure laziness
Reposting this from the other thread
>People calling Rebirth a reboot
OK I'd like to start by saying that yeah, this is backpeddling but it's not a reboot. All the stories going forward are still set firmly in the "New 52" continuity, the only people who aware of their lives before are OG Wally because he out ran the reboot wave and Superman who was plucked out of the way, everybody else had their timelines slapped by Manhattans big blue dick. We arten't going to see a instant snap back to pre Flashpoint continuity. What Rebirth is about is getting the characters back to who they were and what relationships defined them but this is going to happen gradually over the next two years. Anything that can be fixed quickly will be (Aquaman marrying Mera) but most won't be instant. I cant say what will happen in two years time when the event they're planning happens but right now we just have to deal with the facts as we see them.I know it's fun to speculate and overreact though
>>83087774
But now he's dead
>>83090333
Not to start company wars but it bugged the shit out of me when Marvel said something along the same lines a while back.
>>83090376
Oh no. We all know how final death is in comic books
>>83089019
Should have just made Nu52 a separateseries of titles like Marvel's "Ultimate" series and left the prime universe as it was.
No reason it had to be a zero sum game
>>83090539
Don't we have Earth One for that?
>>83089800
Thanks. I feel a little better, Anon...
>>83090408
Marvel has taken it to a ridiculous degree with characters being revamped and changed whenever a new creator gets their hands on them without any sort of consistency. The Eight Months later stuff in ANAD Marvel really shows how little creators care about stuff that happened before.
>>83090677
This. I really wish people would stop pretending DC is the only continuity that is a cluster fuck. Valiant is the only shared continuity that makes sense
>>83090616
I mean keep the Prime timeline the same as pre-Flashpoint and have everything Nu52 happen in it's OWN universe.
>>83090017
>New 52 was fine
Uh it was not
It was a complete mess behind the scenes
Numerous writers and artists getting fed up and leaving, and some people being confused as to what was canon and what wasn't.
It wasn't until 2013/2014-ish did things start to turn around
>>83090765
That would have made me feel like I wasted five years. At least with Rebirths method all the New 52 stories still happened
>>83069939
>Was DC behind the rebirth leaks to generate hype?
of course it was. they made it possible to leak
>>83090746
I don't think anyone was under just such an assumption. The other clusterfucks aren't brought up because, well, there's no real reason for it to be
And Im sure a fair amount of the people complaining probably favor DC over other companies, so what goes on over at Marvel or some other company isn't going to be much of a concern to them.
>>83090866
>That would have made me feel like I wasted five years. At least with Rebirths method all the New 52 stories still happened
it's funny people crying over 5 mediocre years, when DC erased 25 post crisis
>>83073028
If they think DC just sold out recently, they're simply naive.
>>83090942
It depends where you look really, I've seen Marvel bias and people acting as DC is the only one who has their head up their ass and "reboots every 20 minutes".
>>83090944
It was more than 25 years. Most of Pre-Crisis history was still canon. Barry Allen and Hal Jordan's stories all happened, for example. As well as JLA's.
>>83091074
Pretty much every character history Pre-Crisis happened with the sole exceptions of Wonder Woman who was rebooted and introduced as a new hero in the Post-Crisis universe and Superman who got his entire history rewritten.
>>83090978
It won't make a difference anyway. We all know comic fans complain but buy anyway. Before Watchmen was supposed to be boycotted but the final issues for all the minis were above 40k and the trades sold really well. Dc knew this would be controversial, they were banking on it. The only true shame isn't that they have sold out but that they have gone full Marvel
>>83090746
The problem is that DC's woes are deeper and systemic. They lost over several decades of continuity yet they couldn't keep track of shit for Nu52. They suffered a pretty big self-infliicted wound with Convergence-DCYou. And apparently there is something an internal rupture within the staff with their biggest a-lister coming out against the reboot. Marvel has pandering and Star Wars to keep them afloat, their problems haven't overwhelmed them it has DC. Marvel could be overwhelmed by the continuity problem or they could fix it. But for DC with fires everywhere they are much deeper in shit.
>>83090942
So has DC expressed any "outrage" over the supposed "leak"
>>83091137
>It won't make a difference anyway. We all know comic fans complain but buy anyway. Before Watchmen was supposed to be boycotted but the final issues for all the minis were above 40k and the trades sold really well. Dc knew this would be controversial, they were banking on it. The only true shame isn't that they have sold out but that they have gone full Marvel
heard of many unsold books and nobody ever talks about it anymore
>>83091055
>t depends where you look really, I've seen Marvel bias and people acting as DC is the only one who has their head up their ass and "reboots every 20 minutes".
well Marvel never erased their continuity like COIE or new 52
>>83091137
>We all know comic fans complain but buy anyway.
Not me. Haven't bought a damn thing since Nu52 started. I either download or read them at my local Hastings
>>83091209
Nothing compared to ANAD Marvel or Convergence I guess.
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>>83090746
The problem with DC's continuity is that it's a clusterfuck of cosmic retcons and complicated shit that makes no sense.
Marvel is more linear and thus easier to understand. Every story happened and move on to the next. They don't do reboots nor erase stories from continuity.
>>83091250
They attempted to back in the 90s with Heroes Reborn and we used to get flipfloping messages on if Secret Wars was a reboot or not with all the "THE END OF 616" stuff. To this day Tom Brevoort insists Earth-616 doesn't exist anymore
>>83069939
Batman's new suit only works when they use bright colors
>>83091331
Do cases like OMD count? It changed more then the status of Peter's marriage. They do them in chunks and not all at once
>>83069939
Will we ever get the Pre New 52 Earth back? I've been a Marvel fag for a while, but I wanted to get into DC. Then New 52 turned me off the whole thing all together, and now I'm stuck with shitty Marvel shilling itself out.
I tried reading the New 52, but I can't stand it. It makes me cringe, annoys me, and I honestly feel embarrassed reading it. I tried to read some later stuff like Grayson--and it's OK, but not what I wanted when I tried to get in DC. I really liked New Earth and want it to come back instead of DC trying to be all "cool" and "different" in an attempt at staying relevant.
Seriously, I really want to like DC, but ever since Flashpoint and New 52, I just can't. I just want New Earth back.
>>83091398
They just changed the status of Peter and MJ, but all those stories still happened. They only retcon details or information, not entire chunks of history.
>>83091430
Well honestly we may be in luck. The way things seem to be going the new 52 will slowly be pushed aside and finally thrown out in some event.
>>83091430
That's what Rebirth is, New Earth is back
>>83090234
>>83090831
Oh yes, I do agree the beginning was hellish, but New 52 did manage to become stable and, as far as I am concerned, managed to make the characters likeable enough on their own.
Mind you, I'm glad for Rebirth because it allows to fix some otherwise unfixable deals, like Wally. But I do hope they keep on the idea of trying to give DC a new flair, rather than fully back-pedalling to Pre52.
>>83091522
It changed more, isn't it the reason Harry came back from the dead?
>>83091430
Give it another try, DC is all but saying that New 52 was a mistake.
>>83091430
From all the we got from the Rebirth special, it's pretty clear at this point that the Post-Flashpoint universe it's still the Pre-Flashpoint Earth, only that some higher entity robbed them of years of history, relationships and legacies. Original Wally escaped it and Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois also did it by virtue of not being in their universe when the changes ocurred, but now they're going back. Now Barry has remembered Wally, and probably people will starting remembering the real Superman too, so the plan is clearly getting back to the Pre-N52 continuity slowly.
I don't know what are they going to do with Booster Gold, though.
>>83091592
Yes (and Gwen too)
Though I still think bringing back Harry was a mistake given how memorable his death ultimately was. And bringing him back really hasn't yielded any sort of significant stories like the one that killed him off.
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>>83091649
But are the origins the same as the New Earth versions? Like, Superman from preFlashpoint was inserted in New 52 leaving there being two Supermen. Will that just mean that New 52 Supes was just Superboy Prime or some shit all along?
>>83091738
We don't know, from what Mr. Oz told Pre52 Supes, neither he nor New52 Supes are who they thought they were.
Whatever that means, at this point we don't know.
>>83091738
New 52 is probably reborn Kal-L because the universe needed a Superman and his body was there in E-0's universe already.
>>83091615
It was but only time will tell if they understood why.
I am fairly happy with what I have heard about "the leaks".
I am one of the readers who really quit buying any DC books after Flashpoint ruined all the character relationships I was fond of and disappeared a bunch of classic characters like the JSA.
That stupid "Walking Superman" storyline just before Flashpoint that is where I knew DC had forgotten how to write Superman. He is meant to be inspirational, not have fucking mid-life crises or brooding like a teen.
When is "Rebirth" going on sale? I want to support whatever books feature a return of the real DC characters.
>>83091962
Kal-L is best Kal. Somebody prove me wrong
>>83092013
This Wednesday
>>83076716
Too silly; it's 2016 anon
>>83092126
Yeah, let's give 'em footy pajamas instead.
>>83090831
This nigga sort of gets it.
But the only real good thing to come out of nu52 was Multiversity which was so fucking pre-Flashpoint
>>83091738
The implication is that this is the same universe but with years of history taken and memories altered. But the existence of Wally and Superman and now Barry remembering everything from the previous iteration of the universe proves that everything happened the way it originally happened.
>>83092214
...Thank god. Gonna go into Dc now.
>>83090361
>OG Wally because he out ran the reboot wave
I'm glad Wally's bullshit remains intact.
>>83092013
Some relationships are going pretty hard to bring back. Steph was just introduced, so she doesn't really know Tim. Same with Conner, will they eventually remember him and restore his relationship with Tim as they left it Pre-N52 and continue from that point?
>>83092214
Which means that DC has never had a true full-on rebootthough that won't stop Marvelcucks and casuals from claiming DC reboots all the time
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>>83092265
Good job, /co/. We've managed to have a good discussion while also converting a new reader to another company.
I'm quite pleased by this.
>>83092214
>everything happened the way it originally happened.
I don't think it's as simple as that. And Wally himself seems to make that clear. He remember Pre-Flashpoint but he knows that his history is also different now in the new 52. It's just awareness of both timelines.
>>83092354
Does it count when it totally was a reboot you pussied out of?
Isn't the New 52 a Microverse of sorts?
Isn't that what Atom was hinting at?
>>83092354
Yes, that's why the slogan of Rebirth was
>It's not a reboot... and it never was
And now I see what they meant with that. Rebirth is not a reboot. And neither was Flashpoint to begin with.
>>83092413
No. I mean a proper reboot continuity wise. Everything that's every happened in DC history happened.
>>83092413
They didn't even know what the fuck was New 52 at the beginning anyway. Some history was intact, some other not. It's almost as the entire universe was in this unfixed status of quantum uncertainty where sometimes people remembered a thing, sometimes another. Curiously enough, that starts to make sense with this explanation of the altered memories.
>>83083206
> /v/posting on /co/
>>83083926
>a pile of sand
don't fucking start that shit again
what rebirth books are most interested in now after hearing about them more?
Batman
Deathstroke
Blue Beetle
Green Arrow
Superman
Supergirl
Wonder Woman
All-Star Batman
Suicide Squad
>>83092736
I'm picking up all the #1's
>>83092736
I'm realizing how much of a characterfag I am that I didn't give a shit about Flash before but now I'm thinking of pulling it.
>>83089800
>quick bump in sales
DC=Dead Catbounce
>>83092736
Superman if it is truly about the real Superman returning.
Batman just to figure out what's up with Clayface on the cover.
Blue Beetle because DOUBLE BEETLES.
Whatever book Wally comes back in.
And Aquaman just because I actually am fond of him.
>>83092354
Giving all of your marquee characters completely new origins counts as a reboot.
>>83092941
Then Marvel has rebooted a bunch of times as well.
>raping the corpse of Watchmen in order to save the DCU
JOHNS YOU MADMAN
>>83092983
Moz must be so proud right now
>>83092983
Watchmen was Snydered first.
>>83092957
The change to origins and the sliding timeline aren't nearly as radical as what the New 52 and COIE did.
>>83092983
It's not the first time DC's dragged up an old Moore concept and hyped it as the coolest shit ever. They did it for the Sinestro Corps War, and they'll do it again.
>>83074972
>Bats found the Comedian's pin in his cave
>Jeffery Dean Morgan played Blake and Thomas Wayne
Holy shit, how deep does this synergy conspiracy go?
>>83093043
SCW had nothing to do with Moore. You might mean Blackest Night but even the actual execution had little to do with his story.
>>83092736
The spoilers have made me more interested in Titans and Superman
>>83093126
>synergy conspiracy
it's called the hypercrisis
>>83093133
Yeah, also unlike SCW blackest night fucking sucks.
I'm confused what this Rebirth is about.
They're gonna replace the worst parts of New 52 with old fan-favorite characters?
>>83093392
more or less, read the story on Wednesday to explain it or don't
>>83091331
>Marvel is more linear and thus easier to understand. Every story happened and move on to the next. They don't do reboots nor erase stories from continuity.
HAHA oh wow. They don't do reboots just retcons all over the fucking place. X-Men is completely inaccessible
>>83090333
>Storytelling trumps continuity
DCfags are by nature continuityfags, and I say that as one of them.
>>83090866
>five years
boo fucking hoo
>>83092357
>converting
we are all family here you incredible faggot
>>83090539
I 100% think this is what they should have done. Rebirth is a nice idea and everything, but it doesn't undo the damage done. Too many characters and stories have been reintroduced and reinvented that it renders pre-Flashpoint stories illegible.
I'm sure DC considered making it an alternate universe but dismissed it as too much of a copout or whatever, but rebirth is just making everything nonsensical.
>>83093043
It's not the first time they did this to other writers either. But people only care when it's Moores work
>>83091331
>nor erase stories from continuity
>>83093659
>X-Men is completely inaccessible
How old is Frank Castle since they haven't changed his status as a Vietnam vet
>>83093898
Because Moore is the only one who bitches about stories that were written to build up continuity being used to further that continuity
>>83093392
Yes and no. For better or worse everything in the New 52 happened but now DC has an excuse for all the shit. Rebirth is about getting them back to what people loved in the first place. There will be no complete reset pack to pre flashpoint continuity
>>83075283
>lowfat
>fat-free
I might as well be drinking water
>>83093896
>it renders pre-Flashpoint stories illegible
How? From the previews we've seen so far of Rebirth it seems that everything pre-Flashpoint happened, but Manhattan fucked with the universe which changed a bunch of things. The over-arching story for the next two years seems like it'll be everyone trying to regain what they lost.
>>83093948
Moores a cunt and always has been.
>>83093954
So will there origins be the same as they were preFlashpoint?
>>83094074
only the ones they feel like retconning to be more like that, it's nothing automatic though
>>83093969
you could stand to, fatass
