Why are comic-based TV shows complete shit, no exceptions?
>>83057100
I disagree. The Maxx was good, as is Daredevil.
>>83057100
Because none of them have the balls to throw caution to the wind and just go straight up lewd with it.
Hello? it's 2016!
Wake up producers! It's not about the kids anymore! It's about the horny adults!
The horny adults who actually have cash!
Why the fuck are we still wasting time on snot-nosed brats when we could be lining are pockets for adults who are looking to get their rocks off?!
Ahem!
>>83058220
This, the animated shows have a far better track record.
>>83058220
>>83058282
Should have said Live action, really. Some of the animated shows are great.
>>83058098
>daredevil
Mediocre at best, m8. The Punisher was the only good thing about season 2.
I'm still hoping for a proper good horror show based on a comic.
No, Wynonna Earp doesn't count.
Dark Matter was pretty good and I've heard good things about Wynonna Earp
So was Sabrina the Teenage Witch and Tales from the Crypt were great.
>>83059143
Also The Addams Family was a comic strip first and that's such a good show.
>>83058722
>Mediocre at best, m8
>daredevil
I don't like you anon.
>>83058722
>The Punisher was the only good thing about season 2.
Season 2 wasn't as good as the first, I agree. But Punisher was great, and now he's getting his own series, and it's gonna be great.
>>83059217
I'll try to live with that. The first season was...okay. The second was a let down. It's good by modern standards, but modern standards are shit.
>>83058220
ESPECTACULAAAAAAAAAAR
>>83057100
>he doesn't watch Gotham
>>83059217
daredevil fucking sucks
>>83062751
>"Gotham is good" meme
>>83062751
Anyone that thinks Gotham is a good TV show needs to be taken outside and shot to death. The only good actor in it is Sean Pertwee, and the storylines are fucking atrocious. One character actually goes "insane" because Jim Gordon jilts her.
Are you fucking serious?
>>83064665
>One character actually goes "insane" because Jim Gordon jilts her.
Have you ever read a comic book?
There's this one character who goes "insane" just because his skin gets bleached, most normal people would go to a doctor!
>>83065423
>implying Gotham isn't trying to be a gritty crime drama, and that this isn't just bad writing.
How many passes does a bad TV get from you because "it's just comics lel"?
>>83065472
>>implying Gotham isn't trying to be a gritty crime drama
Have you watched the show? It's beyond campy, the only thing "gritty" about it whatsoever is the fact that there's a bit of violence here and there
One of the last episodes literally had a girl with a velociraptor arm, the show is fucking silly times ten it only comes off as "gritty" because you're like ten apparently and still think blood = dark
iZombie is the best one
>He didn't like Big Guy and Rusty
>>83065505
>Have you watched the show? It's beyond campy, the only thing "gritty" about it whatsoever is the fact that there's a bit of violence here and there
Please look at ANY of the promotional shots for the show, which feature noir symbolism, muted colour schemes and skylines of the city after dark. Please understand that it's a show about GCPD, and that one of the lead characters literally wears a trenchcoat and a fedora. Please take into account that the show deals (or at least tries to deal) with the shaky relationships between the GCPD and the criminal underground.
But..because it's bad TV, half way through, they realised they couldn't do that, so they fell back on muh jilted crazies, joker wannabes and velociraptor arms, because idiots like you will chug it down regardless.
If it's good, you'll praise it to high heaven.
If it's bad, you'll shout people down because it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD, then praise it to high heaven.
>>83065589
You are delusional. Even first half had shit like a guy who ties people to weather baloons. It's wacky camp from the start in noir aesthetic.
>>83065734
>shit like a guy who ties people to weather baloons
Yes.
>It's wacky camp
No.
They attempted to play it straight. That's how trashy it is. You are telling yourself that it's wacky camp, but it never was. It was always just poor writing.
>>83065589
You seem mad and absolutely nothing in your post gives any insight as to why the show is "bad"
As for your ending there, I can do that too, watch
If it's not like comics, you'll shit on it to...low hell
If it's like comics, you'll shout people down because COMIC BOOK ANTICS ARE RETARDED, then shit on it to...low hell
>>83065759
>They attempted to play it straight.
>It was never camp
Right...because a retarded guy who looks and walks like a bird with an acrobatic goth ninja skinhead assistant isn't campy or silly in any way, only a serious cop show would have that!
>>83057100
Wrong premise.
They aren't.
>>83065808
> isn't campy or silly in any way
It's silly, but it sure as fuck isn't played that way. Again, bad writing.
>>83065780
>absolutely nothing in your post gives any insight as to why the show is "bad"
My post was about how it's not "campy". But I would have thought that:
>muh jilted crazies, joker wannabes and velociraptor arms
would be evidence of bad. Unless your standards are so fucking low that you will accept these things carte blanche.
>>83064665
Daredevil memer spotted.
>>83065589
>I never watched the show
Why don't you just admit it instead of lying?
>>83065857
Gotham is a show set in a universe where a man dresses like a bat and fights a clown. You realize that, right?
>Gotham is consistently the best comic book show
>every thread one person (probably the same one each time) damn near has a mental breakdown screaming about how bad it is, despite obviously knowing nothing about it
What I want to know is whether he's an assblasted Arrowfag or a Disneygger
>>83066161
>I am cool, calm and collected, speaking in a dignified manner
>people who disagree with me are mentally ill, and can't stop screaming
YOU ARE SILLY
>>83065836
>It's silly, but it sure as fuck isn't played that way
>>83066129
>the one example where you CAN'T use this
you fucked up, lad.
>>83065857
>would be evidence of bad. Unless your standards are so fucking low that you will accept these things carte blanche.
This is a board for cartoons and comic books. I don't think you belong here, you're looking for /tv/ or something to discuss totally mature shows void of ridiculous concepts
>>83066294
On the contrary, ridiculous concepts work just fine in some shows.
Like Legends of Tomorrow. The ridiculous concepts were the only good thing about that show.
>>83065836
>It's silly, but it sure as fuck isn't played that way.
Yes, congratulations. You now understand how comic books have worked for decades. There is an inherent silliness to US, because our world operates by certain rules. Within comic book worlds, things don't work that way. In comic books there are superscience monsters and costumes.
What you're doing is the equivalent of complaining that a sci-fi story sucks because FTL travel is impossible and aliens wouldn't look humanoid or something.
Stop thinking of superheroes through the lens of Watchmen, because that's sure as hell not the kinds of stories that Batman comics tell. When people tell you "Gotham is like a comic book," that's what we mean. The show uses the logic inherent to comics and writes a story that follows those rules. Whining about muh realism in a fantasy story is pedantic as fuck.
>>83066258
Are you saying Gotham is not set in the universe Batman comes to exist in? Because the story is literally about the city that breeds him.
>>83066385
It's cute how you're trying to reduce what I say down to nothing so that you can pick it apart, but you're not very good at it, so stop.
>Whining about muh realism in a fantasy story is pedantic as fuck.
Here's the problem. It's not as fantasy story. It's a cop show with fantasy elements. And with the poor writing that Gotham has, the fantasy elements are a cop out for not being able to carry a serious story to term. A crutch.
That's besides the sub-par acting, and the awful storytelling and pacing. It's a bad show overall.
Don't feel too bad though. It's higher on the shit pile than Arrow, Agents of Shield or most of the other dross out there. Doesn't make it good though.
>>83066446
>It's not as fantasy story. It's a cop show with fantasy elements.
That's... pretty obviously wrong, though. You can't just have something be "kinda fantasy." And for the record, just repeating the word "bad" isn't criticism. It's pretty difficult to take your opinion seriously when you aren't able to back it up.
>>83066446
>It's cute how you're trying to reduce what I say down to nothing so that you can pick it apart, but you're not very good at it, so stop.
wew lad I can smell the fedora
>>83066402
we all know iZombie is good.
Official Power Rankings:
>Gotham
>iZombie
>Flash S1
>Daredevil S1
>Daredevil S2
>Constantine
>Flash S2
>Supergirl
>Legends of Tomorrow
>Jessica Jones
>S.H.I.E.L.D
>Agent Carter
>Actual Dogshit
>Arrow
>>83066497
>You can't just have something be "kinda fantasy."
Sure, you can. If you look at Streets of Gotham, which Gotham REALLY should have been based on, it strikes a great balance between the cop drama feel and the fantasy elements of the universe without going too far in either direction.
Gotham tries to juggle having a man tying people to balloons in protest for some social injustices in the same episode as a bubbling gang war. And you know what? It doesn't work. Because the idiocy of the balloonman destroys the tension of the gang war, and the seriousness of the gangwar destroys the fun of the balloonman. Good writers could have done it, maybe. Those guys didn't.
>>83066542
SHIELD should be above Supergirl and Constantine wasn't that good and Lucifer is underrated and better than JJ
>>83066542
>anything Arrowverse over SHIELD
no
>>83066558
Oh my god you're one of those "muh Gotham Central" faggots.
>>83066558
it's a lot better now
>>83066542
>supergirl
>jessica jones
>agent carter
>better than eating handfuls of dogshit
no.
>>83066566
Lucifer's actor has infinitely more charisma than David Tennant, that's for sure.
They're both overacting, but one is at least enjoyable to watch.
>>83066581
The last episode I saw was...I think the end of that Rise of the Villains thing. I think there was a hiatus then, or the season ended? Did it get better after that?
>>83066542
>Flash at number 3 on the list
Holy fuck, you have NO standards.
>>83066568
>agents of not canon
>good
>>83066566
Supergirl gets way better than SHIELD after it's garbage opening episodes. Shield took 3 seasons to get good. I forgot Lucifer. Constantine being so high isn't because it's good; it's because Flash has been so bad. In fact...
>Gotham
>iZombie
>Flash S1
>Daredevil S1
>Lucifer
>Daredevil S2
>Constantine
>Supergirl
>Flash S2
>Legends of Tomorrow
>Jessica Jones
>S.H.I.E.L.D
>Agent Carter
>Actual Dogshit
>Arrow
This is the OFFICIAL power rankings.
>>83066609
At that point it was already great so if you weren't into it you should probably accept that it's just not the show for you.
>>83066570
>>confusing Streets of Gotham with Gotham Central
You are like a little baby.
>>83066618
Well yeah, it's the third best cape show. The fuck do you think would go there?
>>83066624
>agents of not canon
Oh, you're one of those
First season of Human Target is the only Marvel/DC live-action show I enjoyed.
Too bad the show went to shit when it decided to bring in female demographics.
Women ruin absolutely everything they touch.
>>83066609
I have no idea how anybody could watch all the way through season 1 and not be hype as fuck.
>>83066626
Fair enough. It had a few decent episodes, but that Order of st. Dumah shit was so grating, and the wannabe joker put the icing on it for me.
>>83066636
Preacher.
>>83066660
Because it's mind-numbingly boring.
Whoops, opinions!
>>83066624
Agents is better than Arrow/Flash/LoT
>muhhh canon
don't be a faggot
>>83066670
Independent_thought_alarm.jpg.tiff.exe
to the memory hole with you, lad.
>>83066669
Preacher only has one episode. We can't count it yet. It needs at least a season before we can rank it.
>>83066674
Actually if you read the official rankings you'll notice that Agents is in fact better than Arrow, but worse than Legends and Flash.
Though it might be better than Jessica Jones.
>>83058098
Season 2 was a disaster.
>>83066624
That is way too high for Daredevil season 2
>>83059217
You have really bad taste kid.
>>83059217
Personally I think there's two damning sins Daredevil commits:
Number one is that the dialogue is sophomoric and is delivered in the worst ways possible. People don't talk- they recite speeches like Rorschach's internal monologues at each other.
The second is that the whole thing looks ridiculously cheap. The best comparison is a film student's undergraduate project, or a low budget teleplay- the framing of each individual shot tends to be straight-on, which makes it look like it was shot on a camcorder. The sets are sparse and flat, and I swear I've seen sets that are supposed to be complex. They don't try and build a world with them; they're just places for things to happen in. And the choreography is some of the worst I've seen in anything above a daytime Soap Opera. Everyone knows fights in film are faked, but the ways they're faked in film differs from stage shows.
The best example of this I can give you is Frank's prison fight- whenever he stabs someone, he slides his fingers forwards over the "blade" and bumps them with the butt of his hand. This is common in stage shows because it's easy and you aren't looking too closely, or in movies when it's shot from a proper angle. Daredevil shoots this straight on, so you can see him not stab the other person. This is really poor form, and destroys any illusion that the fight is happening.
It's not just tat, though; every punch is from the elbow, people are clearly punched past, and the whole thing generally looks like a bunch of kids playing.
Then there's the hallway fight that people praise, where the Daredevil "actor" over-theatrically plays up being "tired" like a silent movie actor would. If you watch it with the sound off it looks like a Marx Brothers skit, especially when he ducks people's punches and tries to do jumping kicks off the wall.
There's a ton of other problems (the pacing, the so called "comic relief," the costume...) But the blatantly bad filmmaking is something I can't forgive
>>83066670
>>83066696
"Gotham is bad" is like saying "The Pyramids were granaries." Sure, it's an idea you might believe, but it's also objectively false and saying it just makes you look like a retard.
Top Tier:
Gotham, iZombie, Agents of SHIELD
Good capeshit tier:
DD and The Flash season 1, Arrow season 1-2, Lucifer, Supergirl
Passable cuz its related tier: Flash 2, LoT, Walking Dead
Shit tier: Preacher, JJ, Powers
>>83065505
>you're like ten apparently
This is how we know you are a teenager anon and probably underage b&, people that call somebody young and don't use ages closer to early twenties or late teens are children unwilling to equate an immature anon to their own age.
Go back to lurking until you pass the age requirement.
>>83066828
fuck I forgot Powers.
Where's DD season 2?
>>83066783
>Sure, it's an idea you might believe, but it's also objectively false and saying it just makes you look like a retard.
That would make more sense if it was directed at you thinking you're clever with that shitpost.
>>83066850
damn nigger you sure showed him with your epin "I'm rubber and you're glue" manuever
>>83066849
Powers is completely forgettable besides Eddie Lizard's character.
DD season 2 I'd put under Passable. Besides Punisher and Kingpin parts it really shit the bed. I don't get the hype for it, it's boring.
>>83066760
They're all obviously after a target audience who isn't smart enough to be annoyed by how generic stuff looks, how idiotic a lot of the scenes are, how awful most of the characters are. For example, many scenes have characters draw their weapons but, nobody gets hurt or shot. This kind of false drama is a trick bad writers use to escalate tension without actually influencing the story or developing their characters. Netflix goes to this well so often.
They also dislike painting a negative picture of the characters they want you to root for. Probably the best example of this is when Punisher buys a bunch of illegal equipment. The sleazy salesman sees his face. I'm questioning The Punisher's intelligence. Then the truth is revealed: The guy selling the equipment is like "OH BTW I HAVE HORRIBLE ILLEGAL PORNOGRAPHY" and then Punisher is like "yeah I'll kill this guy." Which hides his tracks and ties the scene together too perfectly. I mean, he's a vigilante murderer buying illegal surveillance equipment. Wouldn't he just kill this goon? But Netflix doesn't want him to be unlikable, so they paint this salesman as such a disgusting sleaze that nobody cares when he's killed. Because they're trying to control how you feel about the show, and about Punisher. It's bad television.
But /co/'s bad taste brigade loves it. Honestly Punisher will be a perfect choice for Netflix. They want the Hot Topic audience and he's a psychotic killer. But I hate it, and would prefer an Astro City show. Something good.
>>83066873
Izzard
damn autocorrect
>>83066873
>I don't get the hype for it, it's boring.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but people shill EXTRA hard for netflix shows. Don't know why? Misery loves company, maybe.
>>83066860
>him
You can stop samefagging and defending your terrible show now.
And yes, your lame shitpost deserved a slightly less lame retort.
>>83066875
Moon Knight would be a sick show
the best thing WB could do would be a Star Man show on HBO
>>83066542
Bump up jessica jones a little for killgrave beingFUN
>>83066906
That word is everything Boregrave isn't.
>>83066887
It's like when my friends tricked me into visiting them at college in Arizona and it was like the worst time of my life. Heaven for the weather, hell for the company.
DD and JJ are like Arrow tier and people are like "they're dark so they're soooo good" it's bullshit
I'm a huge fan of the comics and DD is a shitty version of him
The kind of bad taste evidenced here is exactly why we'll never get a Planetary TV show, or ever see Doom Patrol.
>>83066542
>>83066624
>Making lists of terrible TV shows and trying to compare them as if any of them are worth watching
We are all literally dying every second and this is what you choose to do?
>>83066924
I watched the first season of Daredevil, and the first..god, the first EPISODE of Jessica Jones. I was cringing almost the entire time, while my friends, who own the netflix account would NOT STOP GUSHING about it.
I then download some non-comics shows (Man in the High Castle and The Strain), and watch as they pretend to get bored with them, and go off to watch some more Netflix shit.
I guess it's like TV. people force themselves to like stuff because..it's on?
Not even sure if Arrow is ON netflix. I'm a green arrow purist who turned it off as soon as he shot a man to death in episode one. From what I hear, i'm not missing much.
>>83066873
That's respectable.
>I don't get the hype for it, it's boring.
like >>83066887 said, it's because Netflix has a hype machine around it. My theory is that a lot of people, especially young people, don't pay for TV and just binge-watch the MCU stuff.
>>83066963
>The Strain
I don't think anyone would pretend to get bored with that shit. It's extremely boring if you're trying to watch it as a straight horror show and not a bizarre idiotic comedy.
>>83066963
>I'm a green arrow purist
This. If you like Green Arrow then Arrow was a slap in the face. They acted like they wanted Longbow Hunters but they wanted Batman: Year One with murder.
Some people seem to like the first season but I made it like 4 episodes in. I was done the minute he went to his old girlfriend's house to eat icecream and talk about feelings. It was the most CW thing I've ever seen.
>>83066963
I quite like narcos and when I want comic-bookey nonsense I enjoy dusk till dawn, they'll probably be more enjoyable for you than the shitty marvel shows.
>>83066984
I get why people don't like it. I chose it because it's weird and shlocky, and that's what these guys normally like. That and the nazi character is actually pretty decent.
>>83066994
I was told that by the end of season one, he stopped murdering people and was more like green arrow, and that it gets good because of that. Probably the only time I wish I could have hated someone to death.
>>83059143
>I've heard good things about Wynonna Earp
I fail to see the appeal with that show.
It's not a good horror show because the closest to being horror it has supernatural elements and Hannibal-tier filters. It has no suspense and there's nothing scary it it at all.
It's not a good action show because MC is fucking God mode and you know that everything will get resolved by a villain getting anticlimactically shot and sent to hell.
The characters are all boring and unlikable not in a good way.
It feels like Big Wolf on Campus but takes itself too seriously.
>>83057100
>cybersix
>shit
OP is a double-faggotniggerjew.
>>83066624
>>83066828
I am really not feeling that SHIELD placement, though considering there's some fuss about it it might be worth moving up.
TOP TIER
>Gotham
>iZombie
GOOD CAPESHIT
>Flash S1
>Daredevil S1
>Lucifer
>Constantine
>Supergirl
PASSABLE
>Daredevil S2
>Flash S2
>S.H.I.E.L.D
>Walking Dead
>Legends of Tomorrow
ACTUAL SHIT
>Agent Carter
>Jessica Jones
>Powers
OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING
>Arrow
>>83067097
toons don't ever count
>>83067100
>Lucifer
>good anything
Lucifer is unwatchable.
If I wanted a bland procedural with a gimmicky protagonist, I'd rewatch Monk.
>>83066760
>>83066875
Fucking this.
Look at how horrible this looks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY
This is some Super Sentai-teir overracting, yet it's supposed to be "serious." And the fight choreography is miserable.
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zsVn_vZ9zE
This manages to be even worse because they put the camera right up in everything so you can see how bad the fighting looks. It's like they're proud of it.
Clearly people should just stay out of hallways since that's where every fight takes place. What blows my mind is that the show is apparently shot on location in New York, yet still manages to look like it's shot in a studio warehouse. They need to fire half their creative staff pronto because jesus christ.
>>83067173
>mfw then scene was trying to be the hallway fight from old boy
holy fuck.
>>83067198
fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuck holy shit you're right
>>83067129
Lucifer is fun as fuck
everyone who actually watches it loves it
just people who are stuck up that its not a straight adaptation are butthurt
just like Constantine fans who didn't watch the show in the first place because he didn't chain smoke in episode 1 and hated the movie because there was action
or people who want a Ghost Rider/Blade reboot before other character even though they got multiple big screen chances before
>>83067469
Ididn't even read the comic, so I don't care for the proper adaptation..
The show is just shit, plain and simple.
>>83067469
>just like Constantine fans who didn't watch the show in the first place because he didn't chain smoke in episode 1 and hated the movie because there was action
lulz. No. Constantine would be good if it was set in the UK. But that won't happen because American viewers are dumb as shit.
It's why Chas will never be a drudging London cabbie, and will always be a...what...a fucking..immortal lumberjack or something?
