So who will he kill when the heroes of DC eventually team up to take him down? Who's more disposable?And how the fuck are they even going to take him down?
>>83019275New 52 Superman
>>83019275
Barry Allen or Blally
>>83019275
Woah, woah guys, like, what if Dr Manhattan created the real world that reads the comic books they're in? And Dr Manhattan knows he's a comic book character who's a rip-off of Captain Atom
>>83019383
Hasn't Dr. Manhattan ALWAYS known he's a comic book character? Isn't that one of the central themes of his character?
>>83019503
I think it's that times works for him like it does on the page in a comic book, and he sees the world very similar to how someone would read a comic.
https://www.inverse.com/article/15992-dc-s-first-rebirth-comic-attacks-new-52-changes-regains-lost-heroes
>“I promise it’s not going to be Batman and company punching Dr. Manhattan a bunch of times. That’s not how you combat something like this,” Johns says, laughing.
>>83020206
>Johns can't write comics anymore because of his film obligations
>he wrote an outline for his successor to follow in case he couldn't write it himself
>the part with the confrontation with Dr. Manhattan says "not a generic fight scene, too cliche. Will come up with something better later"
>he never did
>new writer writes a generic event fight scene anyway because he couldn't come up with anything better
I haven't been up to date with the news
What's going on with Watchmen?
>>83020840
Dr Manhattan is responsible for Nu52 and the Watchmen are being folded into mainstream continuity.
>Dr. Mahattan stole Superman's underwear because Mars is drafty.
>Superman's underwear is actually the lynchpin that holds the DC Universe's optimism in place.
>>83022414
Huh, okay then.
I always had the headcanon that Doc Manhanttan is Rao of Kyrpton, but this works too
>>83020449
>Batman punches Dr. Manhattan a bunch of times
>>83019275
https://www.inverse.com/article/15992-dc-s-first-rebirth-comic-attacks-new-52-changes-regains-lost-heroes
“I promise it’s not going to be Batman and company punching Dr. Manhattan a bunch of times. That’s not how you combat something like this,” Johns says, laughing.
>>83019275
>>83023729
Wally does the same thing he did on JLU?and Punches dr. Manhattan real hard
So the writers are scapegoating manhattan for nu52?
>>83023418
>Panel 1
>DR. MANHATTAN: This is impossible. I should have forseen this. How can this be? Who are you?
>Panel 2
>BATMAN: I am VENGEANCE!
>BATMAN decks MANHATTAN across the face
>Panel 3
>BATMAN: I am THE NIGHT!
>BATMAN kicks MANHATTAN on the face
>Panel 4
>BATMAN: I
>Panel 5
>BATMAN: AM
>Splash page
>BATMAN: BATMAN!
>BATMAN uppercuts MANHATTAN, several of his teeth fly off
>Yes, I am a genius! Scott, you've done it again!
>>83019383
DR.MANGWENHATTANPOOL!
Wait, what's happening? What? How?
Dr Manhattan is now responsible for Rebirth?
>>83019275
Another godlike hero
The Flash
Guys w-what ifFirestorm
He can literally undo every transmutation Manhattan does
Manhattan is not even a god he literally just have the same powers asFirestormhe just looks overpowered cause everyone in the Watchmen universe are powerless jobbers
>>83025794
>Batman makes a device that merges cpt. Atom and Firestorm
>Cpt. Atomstorm sacrifices to cancel out Manhattan in a Ying Yang way
?????
>Profit (20 new Batman books released)
>>83019275
They get ahold of Ultraman from the Antimatter Universe, and have Earth-4 Allen Adam merge him and Superman, bring back the Superman Thought Robot.
Superman Thought Robot manages to overcome anything that Dr. Manhattan throws at him. Then the Thought Robot defeats Dr. Manhattan by turning Manhattan intoGrant Morrison.
And that's when Alan Moore gets furious enough to go fly out to Burbank and slap the shit out of whoever wrote that story.
>>83025794
I thought firestorm couldn't transmute organic matter which ol blue dick here clearly has.
>>83025466
Dr. Manhattan created the New 52 universe somehow.
>>83020206
Still mad about Batman, jesus what a baby
>>83020449
>Johns
>will come up with something better later
Yeah, just like all his previous comics, you people are delusional
Superman will stop the heroes from going to war with Manhattan. He will then do what he does best and show the good Doctor what made the old universe so great, hope. Dr. Manhattan will cry and see the error of his ways and restore the DCU.
>>83026917
This except Clark will take Krypto with him and Manhattan will be very distracted and OD on his medication.They don't allow even manly tears in DC comic books.
>>83026819
My sides!
>>83019275
Manhattan isn't going to be like your traditional Big Bad. I don't think a huge battle is on the cards
They're gonna fuck each other up so hard.
Bruce will recreate the accident and become Dr. ManBATtan
>>83027427
I really want these two to meet
But I don't think their will be a huge battle anything like that
Or for that matter that the Watchmen universe will be imported into the DCU in any capacity other than an alternate earth at the most or relatively meaningless cross over at the least
>>83019275
Steal all of his speed. Can't do anything if you're moving/thinking/perceiving extremely slowly.
hopefully Superman sings him to death, that would be a satisfying way to deal with Dr. M.
all jokes aside a super villain is obviously going to steal Manhattan's powers and Batman and company are going to punch that individual a bunch of times.
>the guy that got outsmarted by a human
>couldn't even see the future because TACHIONS
>hurr durr he is the biggest threat they have ever faced
>forget about Darkseid the jobber, he is dead anyway again
>forget about the Anti-Monitor, I mean Moebius
>this is the real deal
And Johnsfags still defend him
The other Crimebusters are going to show up when all hope is lost and help the Trinity take him down. Even the dead ones.
Screencap this.
So has Alan Moore said anything about this or has that old hobo just stopped caring after Before Watchmen was a thing.
Like Watchmen IS DC's own property but this just straight up seems dumb. Like really dumb.
It's gonna end with Superman giving Manhattan a moral lesson on how superhumans shouldn't be there to manipulate common people, but help them become better and evolve into something superior.
Manhattan is gonna realize how much he fucked up and change everything, so everyone ends happy, only for Darkseid, Mandrakk or the Antimonitor to show up in the last two pages and set up the first rebirth event.
And we'll get a half-assed fight between Batman and Rorschach.
>>83028031
He will be mad because they are his charaters but it's actually trying to fix something Alan himself has been complaining about for years. He regrets the part he played in ushering in the dark and "Mature" tone Superhero comics have had
>>83028127
>a man who was trained in several different kinds of martial arts from the most powerful assassins in the world going up against a literal homeless man whose only knowledge of fighting comes from learning how to box at an orphanage
Rorschach vs Batman would be the equivalent of a roided up bodybuilder kicking a baby.
>>83028234
they will still complain about batgod if he wins tho
>>83028207
I mean that's fair, but he can't believe that he's solely responsible for that moment in time: hacks gonna hack. People are always willing to copy whatever it is that's successful.
I guess the decision to use them for this event has me interested to say the least but damn, its surprising.
>>83028234
>Rorschach vs Batman would be the equivalent of a roided up bodybuilder kicking a baby.
I want to see it just for the tears from Rorschachfags
>>83019275
Superman will vibrate
The Flash will speed force
Batman will Batman
Everyone else will job.
ez
>>83028127
>>83028234
>>83028254
Its a matchup that shouldn't happen in the first place. Rorschach is dead.
>inb4 "hurr, resurrected"
This is going to happen, isn't it?
>>83028335
>Its a matchup that shouldn't happen in the first place
And that's exactly why it's going to happen.
>>83019275
>And how the fuck are they even going to take him down?
Superman goes up to him. Says something about the beauty of humanity and gives him a hug, which makes him tear up and "fix" the problem.
>>83019275
Deadpool will be Wally West and Aquaman. They don't "die" per se, but both will get blacked to varying degrees.
>>83028390
Cringe.
Especially considering Manhattan should tell him "what the hell do you know about being a human, you weren't even born one unlike me"
>>83028234
Why not Rorschach vs the Question?
Owl vs Batman. Basically all the expies.
>>83028434
because Rorshach IS the Question now
>>83019275
Doctor Manhattan no Deadpool. Doctor Manhattan Doctor Manhattan
>>83028434
>Owl vs Batman
Wrong. Owl vs Ted Kord. The Watchmen characters are expires of Charlton comics characters.
>>83028390
>>83027708
>>83026845
that only depends on the writer or else they'll make firestorm look overpowered
>>83022414
What.
What?
WHAT!?
>>83026819
Perfect
How can you battle someone that gives you cancer and turn into a car.
>>83028489
Going by Convergance they'd end up just hashing it out and realising both sides are stupid since thats what happened when Ted met KC Ted
>>83019275
>And how the fuck are they even going to take him down?
bring back Max fucking Faraday
>>83020078
>he sees the world very similar to how someone would read a comic.
He checks wiki and pretends to have read it?
![1396400124828[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ebR0IJG.jpg "1396400124828[1].jpg")
>>83022414
>Dr Manhattan is responsible for Nu52 and the Watchmen are being folded into mainstream continuity.
Wally & Barry team up against Manhattan when?
>>83033859
Metacommentary blaming the Watchmen movie for WB wanting more DC movies and then rebooting the universe in that tone. Johns literally shitting on Zack Snyder
>>83033953
Oh shit, I wonder how Moore will feel.
>>83028462
wat
No.
Nononono.
Please be joking.
After what NuSuicide Squad did to Vic Sage this would be too much.
Maybe Manhattan while entering a world that has it's own beings that live in and outside of various continuities, timelines, dimensions and higher plane of consciousness, will quit all that moapy
>woe is me I am alone in the universe among insects, I am so alone and different
And start being less of an antisocial douche again
He can hang with the Quintessence and share stories of hapless mortals they toyed with.
>>83019275
Captain Atom
Superman, whichever one DC decides is the real Superman, will punch him really really hard. Metafictional-tier superpunches have worked out pretty well in the past.
>>83028031
I doubt he's had much time to find out, and I think he decided to reduce the amount of interviews he gave anyway, back when he responded to comments about the amount of rape he puts in his comics, and really laid into Grant Morrison
>>83023952
More like
DR. MANHATTAN: Say hello to your father when you meet him in the next world.
>>83019275
There's people in the multiverse who are literally Dr Manhattan, and more who just have his sort of powers.
But why is Manhattan being posed as a villain in the first place?
>>83034578
This meta shit is terrible, trying to have a character on a page interact with the reader is awful.
>>83019275
Anon, remember when Batman, an unaugmented human, dodged the Omega Sanction?
It's DC. Continuity doesn't mean shit even page to page.
>D-List Hawkman villain Matter Master has exact same powers
>He is forever D-List
What about all the magic people roaming around DC Earth that tell physics and reality to fuck itself on a daily basis?
>>83035167
Because punching reality like a glass pane works so well in the past
>>83035288
because Watchmen is the most famous of the four horsemen of the grimdarkening. it's symbolic
>>83035387
That is retarded. How desperate is DC?
>>83035387
Will this be the start of Silver Age part 2? I really hope so.
>>83035411
After Batman/Superman pretty desperate.
When Ant Man outperforms your primary heroes in an ensemble film you are in trouble.
>>83035314
Or you just have shit taste.
>>83019275
Literally everyone
>>83035387
That's Miller Batman anon.
>>83035360
I wonder that too. Didn't Telos did this in Convergence and aren't Captain Atom and FIRESTORM AT THE SAME LEVEL OF MANHATTAN?
>>83035320
That never happened
>>83022414
They've said nothing about it being folded into continuity. All that's been said is that during Flashpoint Manhattan stole 10 years of time from the DCU creating all the continuity changes present after Flashpoint.
>>83035706
So Dr. Manhattan is responsible for black Wally? I hope Batman punches his face and destroys him. :^)
>>83035314
you know not what you speak of, sad!
I still don't understand what his motivation could possibly be to be considered an antagonist.
>>83035706
he stole love too
;_;
>>83035798
Shit writing and cheap gimmicks from a desperate company.
>>83020206
>>83023729
Won't be punching, will be with energy beams
>>83035920
Shot from a fist.
>>83019275
>it's a geoff johns fucks with untouchable continuity episode
I'm halfway interested and halfway disgusted.
>>83035579
Really makes me dislike Major Force even more now. He has the same abilities as Captain Atom but all we have ever seen him do is punch things and fistfight people and get beat up.
A guy that can create universes is getting bitchslapped by Superman every week because he only brawls with heroes.
I couldn't give less of a fuck about Manhattan. I just want the other Crimebusters to show up.
Like he's not a boring character, but like. Don't tease us with just him. At least have the balls to go all the the way if you're going to piss off Moore.
While the Superman Thought Robot confronts Dr. Manhattan who takes pic related?
>>83036377
that's just a gayer Ra's Al Ghul
>>83036377
Lex Luther, riddler, swampthing, batman, superman, question, specter, Jim Gordon e.t.c ozzys bullshit schemes are a dime a fucking dozen In the DC universe
>>83036377
>I did it 35 minutes ago
>Luckily I had a plan just for that particular situation
GG
>>83035767
Then he is also responsible for edgy Mr. Freeze, and Harper Row and the Gayblazer too.
>>83036377
Ozzy would come with a bullshit overcomicated plan which works fine and any in the watchmen earth but would fall apart five minutes in the DC universe
>>83036188
Me too. I have always think that these characters deserve a better approach nut no one is able to do it right. Now I wonder, where in all this Red Jack and The presence fix? Wasn't Red Jack the one who creates everything and wasn't The Presence god?
>>83036478
this, overconvuluted plans are nothing new in comics
and that was the point of Ozymandias too, the only difference is that he didn't wait for the hero to stop him
>>83036377
Manhattan will need a massive power boost if he's supposed to be this impossible foe, but this might be surprisingly fair. Ozzy is extremely well trained in combat and excellent at scheming, if he had access to the same resources, metahumans and tech that someone like Luthor has while keeping his good publicity, he could be really formidable.
>>83036717
Exactly ozzy plan was basically silver age level of convoluted bullshit that would not work for whatever reason I'm a DC univers vandal pulls bulshit stunts like thus all the time he'd either be stopped, killed, or jailed in any situation if batman or superman testimony went out that would turn a lot more heads than a physcotic like Rorschach doing the same
>>83036858
He basically is a more physcotic/ Gay Lex luthor
>>83019275
Superman will die
Batman will find a way
>>83035314
you must be fun at parties
So let me get this straight: DC realized they fucked up with the New-52 and are trying to retcon their retcon with this convoluted mess?
>>83037758
It's not that convoluted unless you are a retarded child. Dr. Manhattan changed the pre flashpoint earth. That's it
>>83028466
I thought it was funny.
>>83037856
It's convoluted in that DC created a convoluted story to get New-52, now are making some new plot thread to be done with New-52 instead of saying, "we fucked up. Here are the characters again".
>>83019275
>And how the fuck are they even going to take him down?
The Flash
3 wordsInfiniteMassPunch
>>83037899
>infinte mass punch against a guy that can manipulate mass and any other physical force
>>83034387
It is real anon. Embrace the pain.
>>83037975
But can he move at Trans Time Velocity?
>>83038149
>implying time has any meaning for him
>implying he doesn't see everything constantly unless someone uses tachions
also he can survive literal disintegration
>>83038213
doesn't he see the future as well? Cause Taychons are just particles traveling backwards in time, so he would see them coming
I don't get it, isn't Manhattan literally uncaring about people? After the ending of watchmen I'm sure he never interacts with humans again, even if earth was about to blow up. He doesn't care anymore, atoms are his hobby..
>>83039025
Haven't you read Watchmen?
>>83039040
Maybe he got bored of making clocks in space
>>83028390
Laurie already basically did that in Watchmen though.
Does he really need to learn the same lesson twice?
>>83039071
Not yet, it's on my list but haven't gotten there yet. I grew up on novels, devoured 500 pages a week. I saw comics as having very little substance and think that was cause I had only read single issues of spider man and superman, and not even ones in sequence. It was only when I was older and found Hellblazer that I started to look into comics. Still don't like those characters (the three biggest I don't care for, so add Batman into that) but I enjoy a lot of Marvel/DC and indi comics now. I just never knew what comics could be, grew up on a farm and went to a school of 7-12 that only had 100 students, no one read comics. Hell, almost none of my current friends read comics when they were kids. We all got into them as adults. Which has the benefit of having money to buy and read Omnibus' (My sister got me into Thor with the Simonson one).
So, yeah, comics don't take a long time to read unless the art is amazing, Kabuki takes me at least 4 times as long to read as anything else, but there are still many comics I'm missing on my to read list. As there are many novels and non-fiction books I'm reading.
>>83019275
Isn't Captain Atom basically Dr Manhattan? Or is the relaunch changing that?
>>83042872
he looks more normal to me now, from the preview
debatable though
>>83028419
>>83028390
Replace Superman with Captain Atom.
>>83035320
No, I remember it taking him out.
>>83038213
Manhattan's major issue is that he acts as he sees himself act. He fought in Vietnam because he saw himself fight in Vietnam.
What happens if he sees himself getting hit? What if he sees himself getting beaten?
>>83042872
God, I hope they are. The Captain Atom storytimes make him seem so much more interesting.
>>83033953
Yeah, it's metacomentary and not a shameless Family Guy "Hey Remember This" reference aimed at old farts.
The metacomentary fails when he's using the original comic by Moore; not to mention DC already disrespected the source material before with Before Watchmen.
It also misdirects blame on Moore for DC's terrible comic book performance in recent years and not the archaic management running it to the ground.
>>83035411
Desperate enough to go back to the Watchman pool again.
>>83019275
no one will kill him.
they'll persuade him to their point of view and he'll admit he made a mistake. he'll resurrect anyone who died in the battle and wander off to create his own universe.
>>83019275
Y'know, I always assumed that when DC undoes the New 52, they'd throw all the new characters and legacies into the blender - Tanya Spears, Bunker, black Wally, The Movement, Green Team, that Reiser guy from Doomed, etc. But with the way this is all being set up, I think DC may just settle for letting them fade away.
