DC/WB: Civil War
>"It was either Variety or Vanity Fair that wrote an article that said DC needs to watch what they’re doing on TV, because the TV’s working and some of the other darker stuff isn’t working. Here’s what I’ll say about him not being The Flash. The first thing is that for Zack Snyder to say ‘that’s not really the universe that we’re building,’ it’s excruciating for an actor. Because you’re like, ‘Uh, what about acting?’ He’s a clean-cut guy and winning, yes, because he’s acting that. He’s not Barry Allen. He’s Grant Gustin. He created that thing. If you want your Flash to have long hair and be a slacker, believe me, Grant can play that. He makes it look easy and makes everyone think that’s what he is because he’s an incredibly skilled talent. That’s why he has that job. That’s why people like the show. If Zack Snyder were to read him for The Flash, he would be shocked. It’s crazy for a big-time Hollywood director to say ‘that’s not the universe.’ It’s a huge misstep on his part. If you’re a director, and you’re worth your oats, then you should be able to, given an actor with talent, mold him into what you want, and Grant could do that."
>"The second thing is that the movies are tremendous. They’re building all of us up. The difficult thing for the movies is that we’ve had two years in the case of "The Flash" to win you over and tell a story. They have two hours. That’s not easy to do. So that’s why you see so many missteps. It’s very hard to get that right. And I said to Grant when this was announced: ‘Look, that’s years from now. Do you just want to just be The Flash? You have the ability to be in a Spielberg war movie next.’ And that will happen for him. For his first big movie role to be The Flash, I don’t know if that’s the best thing for him. because you’re asking him to do the same thing he’s had years to do, to do the exact same thing in two hours, and it’s in different hands creatively. It’s tricky."
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/tom-cavanagh-on-zack-snyders-dc-tv-comments-and-why-he-should-have-a141860
>>82953655
i still think they should have just had DCEU and DCW be the same-verse, but id also like a big budget Flash movie and its be retarded to have both with the same actor
I'm not even a huge fan of Flash, but he's totally right.
So why is Zack "hack on the attack" Snyder not fired yet?
>>82953730
nipotism
>>82953742
>nipotism
>nip
CLEARLY TWO BOMBS WASN'T ENOUGH
>>82953730
He will be after JL comes out, Johns has already replaced him
>>82953754
haha
>>82953730
it's beyond me how WB and DC haven't taken him out the back and put a bullet in his head.
It used to make me really angry every time I thought about his Superman and the fact that this is how the general public will think of such a great character for the next few decades...now though, I'm just sad...
>>82953694
I dont think it's retarded at all. They've already established multiple earths in the CWverse. So having two Barry Allen's played by the same actor with two different personalities because of different upbringings' would be great. Also the way Tom talked about having Grant look scruffy and like a slacker for the movies, would be a nice counterpart to Barry on the show who's very clean cut. Fuck, down the road we could even see the two Barry's meet up sometime and just have Grant play them both
>>82953775
Johns is not a director, and on that note the DCEU will be already dead by then
>>82953775
>Believing things will change
To be this young and innocent again...
>>82953655
CW actors are shit.. Tom is a decent actor, but for a year the only thing he has done to differentiate Both roles he had is talking with a raspy voice.
That's it. For no reason he does a dumb ass voice, the only worst guy is Cold. The whole show seems to think "bad guys" have to talk slow. The acting on flash has became worst and worst as the episodes go by, Legends? No one even tries to act. Felicity & her gang? At least have thea and Malcom Trying to overact each other.
>>82953775
Johns is a terrible adition to the DCEU, As a producer he has been terrible, as a writer in GL he only added crap, as a consultant? He is the reason we atre getting Cyborg and rebirth flash in the first place.
>>82953825
You're right. His performance is downright embarrassing in contrast to thesps such as Henry Cavill and Gal Gadot.
>>82953825
>implying anyone has to act in cape films
look at marvel
>>82953825
It's not like DCCU actors have given brillaint performances though
>>82953655
He's not wrong desu. The issue with Snyder is that he commonly voices his distaste for the CW verse which in its own right is incredibly bad for a producer like Snyder to say. When BvS came out it flopped so fucking hard with audiences and was poorly received because Snyder wasn't willing to work with source material, he wanted to make this whole flashy bullcrap movie that was purely to him. Of course they loosely used the death of superman story line to go with it but in the grand scheme of things the film was incredibly lukewarm compared to the CW series.
Granted the last few episodes of flash/season of arrow and legends have been slightly less interesting than previous, they're still hitting marks and sticking to the source material they have to work with. Snyder hates source material, thats just a fact and you can see it in his movies.
>>82953845
>as a writer in GL he only added crap
shit opinion, post discarded
>>82953655
It makes sense to want to avoid casting the same people for the same role if the movies and TV shows aren't directly connected. It's just going to confuse people in the long run.
>>82953874
>there people who actually liked cloud parallax
>>82953872
>Snyder hates source material
You kidding?
He loves source material, he just picks the wrong stuff.
See the literal 9001 references to Dark Knight
Dumbass could have chosen a gorrillion other, better, brighter books to base his films on, and he goes with the one where Superman isn't even remotely the same character and batman gives even less of a shit, just to hype up his versus shite fest.
>>82953926
oh yeah, gimme that dc book with the gloomy retarded superman that murders people.
>>82953872
CWfans have really really low standars when it comes to the shit you are willing to take. The flash series is shit. The only cape shows that are not completly bad are Gotham and Daredevil, the rest are bad shows.
Flash is a show with terrible pace, terrible acting, and terrible forced drama that always ends up in barry running in circles, or needing an inspirational talk, Take away "comiic" references and there's literally anything good about the show.
>>82953926
Yes, he did a great Ultraman
>>82953942
I meant in part, not completely. Synder still had to insert his own bullshit too.
Don't be such a dumbfuck, please.
>>82953874
He's talking about the movie.
>>82953694
>i still think they should have just had DCEU and DCW be the same-verse
>>82953926
goingtoassumeitssarcasm.
But fuck i'd love it if Snyder was just fired from working on DCU movies or some shit. He's fucked up so big right now. Like, i would expect DC to rival Marvel right now but fuck its hard when BvS made less than Civil War, like how the fuck does that even work. They should be neck and neck not fucking Marvel shitting out a DC turd on the toilet.
>>82953942
So....Injustice?
>>82953958
>Gotham
Ya blew it
I liked BVS, the DC tv shows are Power Rangers level retardation.
>>82953926
>He loves source material, he just picks the wrong stuff.
He loves very specific source material, like Watchmen and Dark Knight. It's not a coincidence that he picked them, those seem to be the few comics he actually enjoys if you rea his interviews.
>>82953970
I'd be on the marvel train instantly.
>>82953974
>sarcasm
Which part? Batman in DKR does give less of a fuck and the superman from that book is a goverment lacky. What part did I get wrong?
>>82953996
Yes. That's what I said. Thanks for the recap, i'd forgot my own post already.
>>82953942
>oh yeah, gimme that dc book with the gloomy retarded superman that murders people.
Superman is great in the movie. But you are shitposting, superman kills no one in BvS and has only killed Zod.
>>82953997
Oh i was saying sarcasm to that first part, the rest i got.
>>82954012
first part?
Synder fucking loves DKR and watchmen and the like
I'm still not getting the shitty point you're trying to accuse me of.
>>82953655
>tv actors mad they aren't good enough for hollywood
Yeah, nothing to see here.
>>82954039
/tv/ please leave
>>82953730
his wife has power
>>82953974
It made almost 900 millions with a movie that was half an hour longer (one less screening per day at the very least). and that had a higher rating in most markets (civil was being the equivalent of PG in most countries while BvS the equivalent of pg13.
>>82953730
Makes good movies despite bad ratings and ridiculous odds.
>>82953958
Now that you mention low standards, MoS and BvS apologists really come to mind.
>>82953655
>TOM CAVANAGH
Can we get him to play the movie's antagonist? and make him the Reverse Flash again but on a movie budget?
I just wanna see him act in the big screen, he's the only guy that needs to go to the big screen and play that character in my eyes.
>>82954011
>ramming someone through a brick wall at 150 mph
he's dead Johnson
>>82954046
This is why no one takes /co/ seriously, while /tv/ shits in mediocrity /co/ believes shit like Civil War looks good. As long as there people in bright colors quiping this board will be happy about it.
>>82954079
>good movies
>bvs and mos
>good
People used to try with their bait around here.
>>82954122
civil war was fine, stop being a fucking idiot
>>82954118
>brick wall
It was made of CLAY.
No bricks, and Superman took most of the hit. Only casuals don't know about his bioaura.
>>82954077
>It made almost 900 millions
But it didn't make 900 million. It's quite far off from that actually. Also, I don't think it's a good look when Batman and Superman couldn't even beat Ice Age 4
>>82953825
Cavanagh has done pretty well, considering he's had to play 4 different versions of the SAME GUY.
Harrison Wells E1 was laid back, and clearly in love. Wells/Thawne in hiding was educated but removed from humanity, playing a genius who wasn't that fond of humanity with just the right touch of 'off' that wasn't just due to being arrogant. Eobard/Wells was sinister and arrogant in the extreme. Even in a cell, you saw someone who believed he was in control of everything. And then there's E2 Harry, who's just generally misanthropic, but actually has morals, and cares about people who get under the armor.
Cavanagh's managed to highlight those differences - each person had their own unique details. E1 Wells actually smiled, and had expressed emotions. Wells/Thawne's sense of humor usually showed through by taking subtle digs at other people, but he was otherwise fairly restrained. Eobard/Wells moves a little faster (not a joke!) - you can see he wants people to acknowledge how intelligent he is, so he constantly prods people through their conversations faster. E2 Harry, on the other hand, is less socially graceful - the rasp, the constant interjections ("Erratic vibrations-" "Higher." "Different." "HIGHER."), the more physical interactions when frustrated, the constant dismissal of other ways of thinking.
>>82954046
What does that even mean?
There's a reason why they are actors on CW of all places and not somewhere else.
>>82954142
>civil war was fine
And this is why people that actually watches movies that don't involve Capes doesnt care about your opinion, Civil War is no different than a transformers movie, the only problem is that Bay actually knows how to direct, Civil War looks like a TV Show and is filmed as such.
>>82953775
The DCEU isn't gonna last long enough to recover from Snyder's shit.
We're probably not gonna see his Justice League movie get made, let alone anything after that that might potentially be better.
>>82953655
This is really pathetic to read.
>>82954147
Bricks are made of clay Johnson
And your headcanon doesn't matter
>>82953730
His wife.
>>82954172
They have already started filming for JL
>>82954077
It's quite far from the 2 billion you retards projected it to make
>>82954154
And that's why he's a 10/10 actor for me. Flash just made this guy amazing.
>>82954171
>I don't watch cape films exclusively
>I also watch romcoms
>my opinion matters
get out
>>82954154
That is how it SHOULD be, but in reality he doesnt even try anymorem and you can tell
>>82954223
Civil War cinematography is no better tha Zoolander 2... Think about that for a monute: Zoolander 2 looks better than a 200 million movie.
>>82954245
Your perception of cinematography obviously ends in having shots that you can use as a wallpaper, so your opinion is automatically discarded
Eh, Grant Gustin is an alright actor. He's done some good stuff in flash, but he has failed some scenes. It's possible a good director can make the difference
>>82954225
Dunno what to tell you, I can see it. Hell, he had an episode just a month or two ago that was him doing three of the four roles in a single show, and most reviewers gave him a lot of praise for making each one distinct.
>>82954282
>/co/ actually defends Civil War looking worst that Agents of Shield
So in one thought he wants Grant to read for the role of movie Flash. But in another thought, he tells Grant not to be Flash for years. Huh?
>>82954392
you're an idiot
>>82953780
WB don't understand superheroes let alone their own superhero IP. Zack made the movies they wanted. Look at the 90s Batman movies post-Burton and that's actually still how WB visualise superheroes with a little bit more darkness because their execs think that's why the Nolan movies worked.
>>82953730
His wife is a producer
>>82954118
>brick
lol
>>82954286
>Good director
So it's a good thing Snyder didn't get him then.
>>82954413
Good one!
>>82954392
>Typical American reading comprehension
Goddamnit the schooling system sucks
>>82954077
BvS is 6 minutes longer.
>The first thing is that for Zack Snyder to say ‘that’s not really the universe that we’re building,’ it’s excruciating for an actor.
He's absolutely right on this one. You're giving off the impression that you don't think they're proper actors, it's a punch to the stomach.
Don't want to use an actor? Fine, at least give a proper excuse.
>well, the flash show on CW has a lot of fans and is a big success, I doubt they're going to stop the show any time soon and having Gustin play the same character in two different universe at the same time would be probably too confusing for the general audience.
If Snyder had said that, there would be zero issues. But then again, it's Zack "rape victim batman" Snyder we're talking about.
>>82953845
>rebith flash
What? Please don't tell me you're butthurt about Barry in the movies. DCEU proves Wally works much better if Barry was there first.
CW shows can stay as CW. Once they use Grant Gustin, all the fucking tumblr cancer fucks will petition for Felicity, Cisco, Caitlin and every other fucking CW actor to cameo in the DCEU because muh consistency.
I don't want to see:
>nigger Iris
>nigger Wally West fuck you New 52
>Atom's fucking dumb looking robosuit
>Ra's al Ghul played by who? Matt Nable? Liam Neeson in Batman Begins was much more charismatic
95% of the CW actors including minor roles like Vixen could be replaced with much higher caliber actors, costumes that are 10 times more expensive. Melissa Beonist as Supergirl? Anyone want that in DCEU are you serious? Dianna Agron would've looked better, if you had to pick a TV actress.
>Born too late to explore the world
>Born too early to explore the galaxy
>Born just in time to watch a comicfag finally snap and just beat Snyder's face in somewhere in public
>>82954765
Rebirth flash is Mommy flash.
>>82954866
>Anyone want that in DCEU are you serious?
The same people that doesnt understand why CW shows are bad.
>>82954010
My point is that it's no coincidence that he "picks the wrong stuff". The "wrong stuff" seems to be the only source material he actually likes.
>>82953655
>scary helicopter noises intensify
>>82955282
>synder has shit taste in comics
I still don't get how he could fuck up superman THIS hard though
I think this is from the hockey podcast he did yesterday but I haven't listened to it yet for context.
>>82955325
I like how they wasted all this time on him and then the first thing Johns says after his promotion is basically "Superman is just a guy who grew up on a farm and does good stuff, it's not hard"
>>82955306
I'd pay good money to see Cavanah in his suit messing with synder.
Like he hides in his closet or outside his windows at night and just keeps jump scaring him. Then when he least expects it, hand in chest.
It was really reverse flash the whole time.
>>82955383
Johns is the hero we all need.
He will make DC great again.
http://screenrant.com/geoff-johns-dc-movies-hope-optimism/
>>82955383
Johns has really simplistic ideas, i take Snyder Darkseid over Johnseid any day
>>82954710
Really, this kind of sums up what my biggest problem with Snyder is.
It's not just that he has absolutely no respect for the source material, it's not just that he has absolutely no respect for the characters, it's that on top of all that he doesn't even have respect for the actors, actresses, and writers who have managed to take those characters and that source material and make something GENUINELY GOOD with it.
That to me is the biggest dick move of them all.
>>82954118
>brick wall
More like a mud hut. You can'twait just insert your headcanon and then complain about your headcanon
>>82953655
> If you’re a director, and you’re worth your oats, then you should be able to, given an actor with talent, mold him into what you want
Fucking hell that is brutal
>>82954866
The point wasn't 'take Grant and/or me into your movies', it was 'an actor can play more than just a single role', that is - it's like Snyder doesn't see the difference between an actor and their role, which is bad enough when kids do this, let alone a fucking director and executive producer
>>82953655
Erza miller > grant gustin
Also blending Tv and movies together is a horrible idea, as AOS proved.
>>82955421
Sometimes simplistic is all you need. Johns Action Comics was one of his best runs.
I would like a third option on Darkseids though. New Gods actually aren't some insanely deep thing that requires reinterpretation but Johnseid isn't great.
>>82955419
>Geoff "Silver Age" Johns
>doing anything right
>>82955465
You've literally seen no more than a few second of Ezra Miller as the flash.
>>82955419
> Johns said. "I think the greatest thing about the Supergirl show we're working on and the thing I'm most proud of is it embodies the character and the Superman mythology in a really strong, accessible way that I think carries at least the tone and spirit with what we've done with The Flash. And Melissa Benoist is an amazing Supergirl and Kara Danvers. I'm just excited for people to see it."
Reminder than Johns is one of the reasons GL sucked.
>>82955481
>implying there is literally anything wrong with the silver age
>>82955499
>implying continuously bringing every property he works on back to the silver age isn't wrong
>>82955512
its not though
>>82955495
Nothing in that quote is untrue, it's just the writing that's bad. It's still accessible for normies, tone is fine, and the actress is fine. Of course it doesn't mean the show is good but he's not going to say it's shit.
And he had little to do with GL, only real difference between an early script that's online and the finished product is changing Legion to Parallax.
We just need a live action multiverse. Then you could get away with tv shows, tv movies,big budget movies that could tell any dc story with any actors and not have to get so wrapped up in continuity or canon.
Think about
Earth 13 tv show
Earth 10 movie
Earth 1 tv series
Earth 2 movie
And then some morrison tier crossover capabilities are there
>>82955467
>New Gods actually aren't some insanely
And they don't need to be. But i take someone who actually knows about mythology and gods over someone that doesnt know the difference between romans and greeks. I can't be happy about Johns, it's simple: the guy is the most egocentric guy there is. He will push not for COMIC accuracy, he will want HIS comics, and only HIS vision of the characters.
From Cyborg origin, to Flash's, to Parallax, to His Justice League. The guy only cares about his own headcanon. Even if some movies are bad i take some bad movies but actual diversity and freedom for the creative teams in the movies over Johns forcing His characters, his BS into the movies.
Sorry, i want a GL movie, not more colored rings crap.
>>82955484
And they were good, as opposed to the majority of Gustin scenes.
Now go child, there is a thread where you have to spam "IT WAS ME BARRY!"
>>82955595
>speedy Gonzales
>good
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>>82953655
>>82955636
The gay jew is a way better actor than the twink
>>82955595
>And they were good
What? No it wasn't. The scene didn't make any sense, the moustache looked ridiculous and the costume looked awful.
The Flash's worst episode is better than that.
>>82955325
But he doesnt, he likes Heavy Metal and European comics more than capeshit most capeshit, if anything he has too much taste.
>>82955678
>not a single word about the actual acting
>only cares about the costume and appereance
Living to the stereotype CWfag. After all you people only care about costumes and "look at that comicbook reference! I recognized that character!" and nothing more
>>82955696
>he has too much taste.
That's single dumbest thing I've seen on 4chantoday
>>82955696
He only likes Heavy Metal stuff for T+A and violence. People try to find depth in Snyder's films when he's the most superficial man alive.
>>82955678
>The scene didn't make any sense
It did, Flash went back in time, contacted bruce and bruce memories from the future were confused with a dream.
>the moustache looked ridiculous and the costume looked awful.
The moustache looked like shit. But that doesnt really matter.
>The Flash's worst episode is better than that.
It's a Zoom kidnaps Wally, let's Wally go and for some reason Barry, now faster and stronger than Zoom stays in the same room as Zoom for hours until he an give him his powers episode
>>82955727
You actually think 2 seconds of BRUCEEEEEEE IT'S TOO EARLY BRUUUUUUUCEEEEEEEE flash of christmas past was good? And not only that, good as in better than Grant's S1 finale's acting? I can't
>CWfag
I know you're a stubborn 14 year old but could you refrain from rubbing us all with your stupidity?
>>82955823
stubborn 14 year olds are the target audience of the CW. That and girls.
>>82955727
That performance Ezra gave wasn't good, but Having the actor and the costume look worse the the TV show sticks out.
>>82955823
>that acting doesn't count because I say so!
I am sorry but the scene was well acted and I find hilarious how first you focus on the way he looks and now on the script totally ignoring the acting.
Sorry if calling out what you are offended you
>>82955484
But I know that Erza miller is a better actor than Grant Gustin.
>>82954011
Did he not kill Doomsday?
>Wells is a good dad to Flash in real life as well.
>>82955927
Doomsday isnt a someone, is a something.
Also
>doomsday
>staying dead
We already know Doomsday is coming back in a way or another. My guess is that he will have an small role, like the league fighting him and showing how easy they can defeat him to show how good the team is compared with only the trinity
>>82955862
>that acting doesn't count because I say so!
See, nowhere in my post do I infer that, but since you're the master debater with the ad hominems, shit taste and teenager bravado, I can't say i'm surprised.
I'm more offended at the fact that you're actually defending BvS.
>>82955484
Ezra is a really good actor.
>>82953685
>You have the ability to be in a Spielberg war movie next
Huh. I could see his type in a Spielberg movie. Otherwise, I will say that most of the CW show casts can't act for shit. Sometimes it's like they're just saying lines. The only people that CAN act on these shows are Cisco, Joe and the guy who plays Damien Dahrk. Maybe Captain Cold, Fire Guy and Sarah.
Arrow rating is at 1.94 million. What does that mean?
>>82953694
Because everyone loves Marvel TV. Besides, do you really want stuff like felishitty and the CW hawks anywhere but the CW? This is a chance to make things right.
>>82955282
>My point is that it's no coincidence that he "picks the wrong stuff". The "wrong stuff" seems to be the only source material he actually likes.
Zack Snyder is an edgelord supreme. He only likes comics with rape, sex, and gore.
>Snyder spoke to Entertainment Weekly about his then upcoming movie "Watchmen." During the interview, he revealed that he had very different ideas about the Caped Crusader than fellow director Christopher Nolan, who directed "Batman Begins."
He said:
Everyone says that about "Batman Begins." "Batman's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go."
>I came to comic books through my mother. I loved fantasy art — I love Frank Frazetta [the famed illustrator known for adult-oriented, sword-and-sorcery, and sci-fi imagery]. I went to boarding school. You weren’t allowed too many posters up, and everything I set up was slightly inappropriate. Frazetta’s naked girls, ripped up guys — the kids were like, ”What the hell?!” They had their Boy George posters up, I had crazy Frazetta. My mother saw I was into this comic called Heavy Metal magazine, so she got me a subscription. You could call it ”high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into ”normal” comic books, but I was all like, ”No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.”
>>82956107
More Felicity
>>82955555
The writing could be better, yes, but paradoxically the show handles interpersonal relationships WAY better than any of the CW shows. In those, relationships get overplayed to be more important than they are, while in Supergirl, they take a somewhat central role. Which makes it better, ironically. Through this, Supergirl has a nice Silver Age-ey feeling to it, imho.
>>82955982
You believe Grant is better than Ezra when they are in total different levels of acting, Ezra is one of the best actors the DCEU have, he is probably the best one under 35 Grant is ok, but nothing more.
>>82956130
> But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie.
>No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.
Is this guy for real? Does he like anime?
Holy fuck. Just when I thought synder couldn't get any worse.
>>82956130
And yet his movies are nothing like Heavy Metal. I would have loved it if he managed to capture the Heavy Metal feel with Superman. Maybe on Krypton we saw a bit of that. But the rest of MoS and BvS is just corporate box-checking and fanservice.
>>82956171
There's nothing wrong with anything he said, Anyone reacting to that just shows that they are actually too dumb for Snyder.
>>82956171
He was literally a teenager anon. Should we all hold ourselves to what our teenage selfs said or thought?
>>82955384
>IT WAS ME ZACK
>I POSTED MAN OF MURDER
>>82956230
most of us outgrow edgy teenage shit, or at least learn to understand other things
Synder clearly hasn't
>>82956194
>But the rest of MoS and BvS is just corporate box-checking and fanservice.
I give you MoS,. But BvS whole deal is that isnt box-cheching, even the structure of the movie is more like Japanese or german movies (that snyder loves) than your typical Murrikan pop corn movie, And that harms the movie at the end.
The extended version of sucker punch is pretty much the most "snyder" movie there's out there, it makes little sense but you can see how his mind work. I still can't believe how he got the founding for that.
>>82956130
I'm kinda annoyed how that rape quote is alway misinterpreted. He's talking about how Nolans Batman films are not dark but are actually thrilling action movies.
>>82956261
Funny since you are the one that doesnt understand what he was saying.
>>82956288
And that show you how dumb the criticism can get.
>>82953958
>Flash is a show with terrible pace, terrible acting, and terrible forced drama that always ends up in barry running in circles, or needing an inspirational talk, Take away "comiic" references and there's literally anything good about the show.
...That is almost exactly how I feel about Snyder's movies. For a given value of "inspirational" anyway.
>>82955583
Yeah, this. I like Johns when he's actually writing his own book, not dictating everyone else's. I'm really yet to be impressed by his work as anything other than a beat writer. He'll be a huge improvement over Snyder because, well, Jerk-Off Joe from down the lane would be a huge improvement over Snyder, but Johns has also had a ton of shit ideas that he didn't let people fucking forget, and I don't want to see that forced on DCEU as well.
>>82956331
>everything is shit and I enjoy nothing
>>82956171
>Does he like anime?
Yeah he was inspired by Birdy the Mighty when making Man of Steel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpiBaKiYcdE
>>82953872
>BvS came out it flopped so fucking hard wit
What?
>>82956288
there is no misinterretation. Yes, he's talking about how he doesn't find the batman movies dark, and i'm sure there's plenty of people who think his next sentence refers to batman.
but mistaking him talk about some one getting raped in prison to mean batman getting raped in prison really doesn't change anything, because the heart of the argument isn't that it's batman getting raped. It's that rape =/= dark and that Snyder is an edgelord.
>>82956398
Wait...did you just say Rape isn't Dark?
>>82956378
Shame Clark didn't become Supergirl in order to fight.
WHENS THE FUCKING CAST PHOTO?
>>82956130
What's amazing is that if you heard any anon saying this shit you'd instantly call him a 14 year old edgelord but because it's Snyder it's suddenly got contrarians saying it's the most brilliant thing.
>>82956171
>Does he like anime?
what does that have to do with anything.
can I take a small break here?
For all his
>there's no rape, sex boooring
don't you notice he mostly sexualises men? He clearly has a thing for muscly male torsos.
In addition to all his faults, is he also a fag?
>>82956273
>I still can't believe how he got the founding for that.
His wife funded it. That's pretty believable.
The structure of the movie isn't even like Japanese or German movies. It's like music videos. Becasue that's how Snyder entered the industry, and that's what he's failed to grow his talents beyond; disjointed scenes that rely on score and color to impart meaning rather than telling a coherent and complete narrative is ideal for music videos, less so for a 3 hour movie.
But whatever. Kino meme kino meme.
>>82956454
What do you got against fags anon?
>>82953850
the tragedy is that Cavill can act an could have been awesome Supes.
>>82953825
>CW actors are shit.. Tom is a decent actor, but for a year the only thing he has done to differentiate Both roles he had is talking with a raspy voice.
I'm going to just act like you're baiting so that you don't look like a huge idiot who hasn't even watched the show.
>>82956394
it got BTFO'd by freakin Deadpool iirc
>>82956368
I actually kinda like CW Flash though. It has its moments. I just think it's weird to hate it for terrible pacing and forced when BvS's pacing isn't much better and its conflict only exists because everyone acts stupid and it can be resolved in four words.
Out of context, but how shit is he this season? Jesus Christ. Talk about a one hit wonder. Was looking forward to watching his Christmas movies too.
>>82956485
>color
>mos and bvs
I get what you're saying, but I still laughed
>>82956414
it depends on the context. If it's just rape for the sake of shock value it's just dumb. It's like.. I find Snyder to be the living embodyment of Crossed. it's like "yeah, look at all this dismemberment and brutal deaths! rape! it's so cool!" and there's literally nothing else. It has no impact because there's nothing more to it.
>>82956414
I think the sentiment is that there's more ways to tell a darker story than immediately going for the rape card, and that Snyder's immediate association reveals a lack of subtlety or a deft hand at crafting anything but the most broad strokes of the human experience.
>>82956398
There's nothin edgy about what he is saying. He isnt talking about rape, he is talking about dark consequences and dark shit in movies, nothing more. Nolan's movies were not dark aside from the death of rachel.
>>82956548
Removing color still counts as using it. The bland, washed out palette of MoS and BvS still evokes emotion, if you count boredom as an emotion.
>>82956550
>. If it's just rape for the sake of shock value it's just dumb.
And he isnt saying that, he was comparing the world of Watchmen with nolan's movies.
You seem to be a retard that fails to understand a really simple thing.
>>82954225
>but in reality he doesnt even try anymorem and you can tell
this is bullshit. tom isn't a guy who phones shit in. this is a man who acted in that atrocity Yogi Bear movie and he actually put his heart into it, despite the movie being awful.
>>82956606
that's why I said
>I get what you're saying
So defensive, christ.
>>82956501
when they're in control, they tend to not create the fanservice I want
>>82956612
>yogi bear movie
>>82953942
Okie dokie
>>82956548
Snyder DOES use color correctly though. It's just that he uses it in a very rudimentary, basic way.
Like, look at this commercial (directed by Spike Jonze, incidentally);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBqhIVyfsRg
This is basically Snyder's go to move. Use sad music and cold colors to evoke negative emotions, then make the score soaring or add "badass" electric guitars (looking at you Wonder Woman) and warm colors for the "feel good! get excited!" moments. It's day one stuff but if you don't recognize it for what it is, it's effective. But so is a sledgehammer.
>>82956454
>don't you notice he mostly sexualises men?
Me bet is that you believe Donatello was doing the same with David.
>>82956662
for fucks sake, you too
>>82956626
Why do you faggots need literally everything spelt out in big, underlined letters?
>>82956575
There's more ways to tell a dark story than to rape or kill characters. Darkness in a narrative comes from emotional resonance as well, not just from shocking depravities.
>>82955727
He says like 2 sentences in a weird distorted voice. It's really hard to judge it on its own but it was so incongruent with the film that it brings it down. People bitch about Iron Man 2 being a commercial for Avengers yet we had such blatant teases and cameos that just took what little screen time from the other main characters that it's kind of offense.
>>82956674
Super serious actor.
>>82956662
And don't forget that he uses movement and color to make most action escenes look "dreamy" the point is to make the character kinda mythical, but it's really easy to just confuse that with bad CGI. Sometimes work really well like with the tree in 300 or Superman saving people during the flood or moving the ship, but when everything is frenetic like in the Doomsday fight it just looks bad.
>>82956674
>>82956714
what's your point? he's had to be in a lot of feel good stuff cause he's a comedy actor by trade, but Flash proves he can play drama too
>>82956676
Honestly man I just like linking that commercial and showing that Snyder's supposed wealth of cinematographic talent can be summed up in a minute ad shilling crappily made furniture.
And that's what his movies are. This ad stretched over two and a half fucking hours a piece.
>>82956671
>Me bet is that you believe Donatello was doing the same with David.
Wrong Ninja Turtle bra.
>>82956744
Drama tends to be way easier than comedy to begin with, too.
>>82953655
except grant gustin can't act for shit. none of the main leads on any of the cw shows can act
>>82956575
>Two Face fall from grace
>Batdepression and his body falling apart
>sacrificing your ideals for "Justice"
Considering the characters they were playing with it was pretty dour. It's not DOFP dark where everyone is being maimed and killed but it definitely puts classic characters in a more somber light
>>82956686
But he isnt saying otherwise. You are pojecting your opinions on Snyder, when all what he said was that BB wasnt that Dark, talking about something really specific: the Jail escene.
>>82953655
>>82953685
>CAVANAGH BASED STATUS: ABSOLUTELY
>>82956744
>but Flash proves he can play drama too
>flash drama
Look i get that most of you guys don't watch real Movies, but there's no real drama about the whole saving jesse arc.
>>82956771
>none of the main leads on any of the cw shows can act
None of them? Really? Define "acting", Mr. Expert.
>>82956779
And you're not projecting your opinions to defend the guy? Claiming objectivity doesn't work when your bias is constantly to defend someone this consistently ineloquent.
It's really obvious that Snyder just thinks this edgy shit his cool. Like, how do you want to defend his quote about skulls and axes? Where's the deeper meaning there?
>>82956504
True. Shame WB was so fixated on giving work to a guy who makes pretty pictures of grey clouds and explosions, but can't direct his actors out of a paper sack.
>>82956819
>real Movies
>>82956826
Scowling and being posed like paintings of Christ, apparently. Based kino, academy award when.
>>82956749
Donatello's david is the one that looks like Jay Garrick
>>82955583
>implying they'll even touch GL again for the next decade
>>82956819
not talking about that arc, talking about his acting as a whole. he's played two different characters that look the same, but has distinguished their differences through his acting. he can sell the dramatic moments that his character has, as both eobard and harrison wells. Flash may not be award winning, but Tom is the kind of guy who would get so much praise if he was on a network that got more respect. But because he's on a superhero show, people are less willing to give him proper credit.
Which is a shame really. That comic shows and movies at that are so huge right now, but the actors within them don't get the critical love they deserve because it's a comic derived program. The actual writing itself is nothing spectacular, but Tom is a great actor who deserves more than he gets.
>>82954154
And then you consider his roles in other shows, like JD's brother in Scrubs. He's got range.
>>82956830
>And you're not projecting your opinions to defend the guy?
No. I'm saying that he didnt said he wanted to rape batman, He said BB wasnt that dark. And that way darker shit can happen in the Watchmen universe. That's it.
He was introduced into comics with Heavy Metal finding Minastream comics tame after that is NORMAL. But sure, keep shitposting.
>if you want your Flash to have long hair and be a slacker believe me Grant can play that
Grant Gustin doesn't even compare to Ezra Miller though and if you want your Flashto be >clean cut and winning, Miller can do that just as well as Gustin and better
>>82956931
"That could happen in my movie" isn't about Watchmen, it's about were HE to do a Batman movie. That's why it's "could" instead of "would" and there's no proper noun subject change. You have to stretch the words past their English parlance to get the interpretation you're looking for.
But yeah, no, he's a brilliant misunderstood genius for thinking skulls are just kinda cool.
>>82956916
>but has distinguished their differences through his acting.
Talking with a raspy voice isnt acting. If anything it just shows how dumb the show is, he does act like 2 different characters, but there's nothing subtle about that.
>But because he's on a superhero show, people are less willing to give him proper credit.
>Which is a shame really. That comic shows and movies at that are so huge right now, but the actors within them don't get the critical love they deserve because it's a comic derived program. The actual writing itself is nothing spectacular, but Tom is a great actor who deserves more than he gets.
I have no idea what you are talking about, if people don't give them credit is simple: they are not that good. I can't think of a single great interpretation in the MCU, Affleck was really solid, but being intense while talking with alfred isnt that impresive. As for TV, the acting is not that good, the writing is to blame mostly. Tom's best escene continues to be when he killed Cisco.
Capeshit isnt high art. Most of it goes from bad to decent i have seen people ion this board claiming Winter Soldier is one of the best movies of the decade, that's how deluded capefans are. No one said Terminator 2 or Die hard 3 were high art back in the day, but now capeshit eaters want to push the meme that crap like Civil War or the flash show are anything else than Fun stuff that you can enjoy.
>>82956981
>Snyder spoke to Entertainment Weekly about his then upcoming movie "Watchmen."
He was talking about Watchmen, and then was asked about Nolan, and then said "in my movie". He was talking about Watchmen all the time. You are not only Dense and wrong, you are autistic.
>>82953825
Cold and heatwave are being intentionally hammy. Wentworth and Dominic have played more serious roles before, prison break being of particular note.
but since this is a comic book show, and they are supervillain rogues, they are being as cheesy and hammy as possible. Because you know, it's fun. they are basically playing cartoon characters. It's what Mark Hamil does in any role he plays a villain. Not everything has to be super serious and gritty realism. you have to let comics be comics.
>>82957064
>if it's a genre film it can't be better than decent
Bitch please and people have been calling T2 a classic for fucking years
>>82957126
if only Zack 'can't take superheros talking in costume serious' synder realized this.
>>82956917
someone post the webm
>>82957130
I didnt say they can't, i'm saying they havnt so far. So far the best movies of Marvel were one Space movie that had nothing to do with the other movies, and one Heist Comedy.
Imagine being a Flashfag.
Imagine being so desperate for approval and being noticed that you are going all your way out to defend a cheap CW show.
Oh nevermind, you guys don't have to imagine.
It's funny because the dctv shows are better than the movies.
>>82953655
I get he'd like Grant and himself to get a shot at the big screen, but there really wasn't anything insulting in what Snyder said. "That’s not really the universe that we’re building" isn't the same as "the tv shows are shit", it means he has his own vision (whether it's good or bad is another thing altogether) and he wants to do it his way. You don't really see Miller's JL actors being all butthurt about Snyder, even though I'm sure they're all disappointed their movie wasn't made.
>>82957130
I don't think you know what "classic" means. Terminator 2 and independence day are classics, just like highlander or ghostbusters, that doesnt mean they are as good as Babe or Braveheart.
>>82957234
I like how they REALLY get mad at Gotham.
>>82957126
>Cold and heatwave are being intentionally hammy. Wentworth and Dominic have played more serious roles before, prison break being of particular note.
That's a shame, wheater Wizard was great and cartoony, but Cold and heatwave had been complete shit, i know Johns want people to think Cold is cool, but the way he talks is just so dumb.
>>82957308
>but the way he talks is just so dumb.
I like it. its just fun.
>>82957255
Izombie and Gotham? Sure
>>82957308
>they REALLY get mad at Gotham
Who did?
>>82957255
This is why separating the show universe and the movie universe is a good move.
The shows can have decent story lines not affected by the movies and the movies can have their own things.
Otherwise it'd become the embarrassing clusterfuck that's the marvel tv shows, which has taken the disadvantages of both worlds
>>82957361
Gotham is a trigger word on /co/
>>82957270
I don't think you understood what he's saying. It's not insulting because he's saying the shows are bad. It's insulting because he's saying that the shows and the films are tonally different, and that's why he doesn't want to cast Gustin. That's insulting, because that would only be a reason not to cast Gustin if Gustin is a one note actor who can only do one specific character and nothing else. What Cavanagh is pointing out is that any decent actor can play both both lighter and darker characters. So dismissing the idea of casting Gustin just because your idea of the flash is different to the one he's already played is insulting to him.
>>82954430
But the Dark Knight Trilogy, while dark as shit, managed to find warmth, humor, and inspiration in Batman. Fucking Batman, you know, the guy with the murdered parents who is on a self-destructive rampage against street crime.
>>82956394
It lost to an R-rated unknown superhero flick that didn't even open in China, dude. That's flopping.
>>82957436
But that makes even less sense. That would just create unnecessary confusion.
>>82957308
Gotham is one of the worst cape shows on air. Its only slightly above Arrow and Supergirl. Cheesy dialogue, bad characters, terrible plots. Fuck that show.
>>82953730
He obviously has some dirt on a WB exec, it's the only thing that makes sense.
>>82957508
kek
>>82953655
>Tom Cavanagh will never go up to bat for you against a shitty director who doesn't know what he's doing
>>82953942
So Injustice?
The sad thing is that it works both ways.
A good director can pull a great performance from a novice actor.
But a bad director can turn a veteran actor into lifeless garbage.
>>82957769
>But a bad director can turn a veteran actor into lifeless garbage.
Natalie Portman: two academy award nominations for best actress, one academy award for best actress. Not to mention her awards and nominations from SAG, BAFTA and the Golden Globes.
Samuel L. Jackson: one academy award nomination, one BAFTA win, four Golden Globe nominations, one SAG nomination.
Liam Neeson: Three Golden Globes nominations, one academy award nomination, one BAFTA nomination
Kinda surprised to find out that Ewan McGregor hasn't received all that many nominations or awards. Weird. He's a really great actor too.
>>82957508
because its clear it wants so hard to actually be a batman show, but it cant be a batman show so it does the smallville thing of having all the rogues show up before bruce is ever batman
>>82958046
Thank you!
Gotham had the potential to be a damn interesting crime procedural. It even had a FANTASTIC comic to model itself off of. Show us the police force that has to deal with corruption on a massive scale, as well as a crime and poverty ridden population and a crumbling infrastructure. It could've been really great, but they chose to be a Batman show without Batman for reasons that totally escape me.
>>82953730
Contracts...guild rules, budgets were already in place, & if they fired him WB would have to admit they were 'wrong' in the first place which is a sin.
>>82958108
so much this. id love a procedural crime drama with the backdrop of gotham,
>>82958108
>but they chose to be a Batman show without Batman for reasons that totally escape me.
gotta follow that Flash/Arrow moolah.
>>82958112
It's probably just the cost of buying out the rest of his contract, which is probably much larger than it has any right to be.
I really don't get why they were so enthusiastic about him in the first place. The only movie of his that got anything more than a shrug was 300, and that was more because of its visuals than anything else.
>>82958163
Especially if they went with the Morrison chronology. A behemoth of a city whose greatest days are behind it, that is also fucking haunted by malevolent forces not of this world?
>>82958108
Could have been worse. They could have made a Batman CW show
>>82958220
>Batman CW show and not Nightwing CW show
You were so close. And a Nightwing CW show would be fucking amazing and you know it.
>>82958252
What part of "could have been worse" seems to be going over your head?
>>82953988
But he's right, you mouthbreather.
>>82958265
Oh no, I got your point. I just really want a Nightwing show on the CW.
>>82954176
Do you have any reasoning to back that up or are you just thread sliding?
>>82953825
I agree with this guy. Tom Cavanagh is a very good actor, perhaps the only good actor in the entire CW-verse.
>>82957508
Awful bait. Just awful.
>>82956744
The point is that he's the reverse flash in hiding in every one of those movies
>>82958252
>a Nightwing CW show would be fucking amazing
No it wouldn't. It would quite literally be worse than Arrow cause Nightwing miraculously has even less villains than him.
>>82956128
>everyone loves Marvel TV
Is that why both of their shows are getting cancelled and Disney is getting WB to make a DC show for their network?
>>82958347
Dude, come on. It's prime territory for them.
Really good looking, young superhero without powers. Doesn't use gadgets. Has a day job that's rife for dramatic potential. Incredibly popular with the ladies. Has a perpetually sunny disposition despite having a dark past.
It would be like Arrow if the writers hadn't totally missed what makes their main character so well loved in the comics.
>>82956157
Supergirl was consistently better than Flash Season 2
>>82958347
As if Nightwing fans care, they just want to jerk off to Dick and nothing more.
>>82958046
>a show about Gotham has people who live in Gotham appearing
holy shit stop the presses!
>>82956819
>real Movies
>>82958108
>muh gotham central
you whining nignogs are STILL trying to push this shit? The first half of season 1 was close to a crime drama and people still whine about it. Crime dramas are shit. Gotham Central would have been literally the worst possible show they could have made.
The show we have now is already one of the best adaptations of Batman's world that we've we've had other than BTAS, and there's a lot of things it does better than that. They even do right by characters that the comics consistently fuck over, like Penguin and Riddler, and they managed to have a better Joker than the comics have had for decades.
I don't get why people get so fanny flustered over a show about Gotham City being about Gotham City and not muh Batgod.
>>82958382
It would work for a CW show but it's not something any comic book fan should be interested in seeing.
I can see it being a mix of the worst elements of Supergirl and Arrow, where nightwing is constantly living under Batman's shadow and all the relationship drama that goes on in Grayson's life.
>>82958163
>procedural
Absolutely fucking not. Gotham is fine as a show with a story. We don't need any cancerous The Wire aping shit like Marvel's Netflix shows.
>Gotham fans
Not even once.
>>82958535
>Crime dramas are shit.
