FUCKING SUBTLETY HOW DOES IT WORK
Same artist with Carol's Captain Marvel?
>>82925302
>I don't really know what I'm doing yet.
Neither does the writer.
Does anyone care X23 took over the Wolverine name? It seems /co/ has been pretty irrelevant towards it, and if /co/ don't care then I can't imagine anyone would.
Is this an edit?
>>82925422
>another longtime marvel hero gets replaced by a literally who
Just another day at the office
>>82925302
What if wolverine was a kool hipster girl?
The only thing that pisses me off is how happy X-23 is. This scene implies X-23 just lays around all day reading comments. It's almost as bad as that Christmas Avengers where they show black Widow in pajamas laying on her bed looking at her black widow theme lap top.
>>82925422
I was excited for it, but the complete disregard of her personality killed that.
>>82925338
Doubt it, they drew her face like a blow-up sex doll.
>>82925422
Seems the complaints are more on her personality change than replacing logan.
>>82925423
>published by Marvel
Definitely not.
>>82925302
This is why I don't read comics anymore, writers can't write something without crying about being criticised.
>>82925468
>a literally who
New to comics eh?
When did she stop killing?
>>82925302
I don't think anyone really cares about her calling herself wolverine they just hate her outfit it looks terrible on her.
>>82925605
Casuals don't know about X-23.
>>82925717
Casuals don't give a shit about comics. Ipso facto get off my board you filthy casual.
>>82925422
I always wondered how legacies work. Like what inspires them to take someone else's name.
>>82925302
>Tom Taylor
>Subtle
Not fucking likely. The man doesn't know how to be subtle. Doesn't mean snikt boob wasn't alright (Old Man Logan is a million times better)
>>82925422
Well it makes sense for her to take the title.
Didn't Logan adpot her?
Even then, she is his clone so if anybody was going to take the name, it'd be her.
>>82925760
Read Wally's flash run. The best legacy character to ever exist.
>>82925717
X-23 was created on a cartoon show for casuals anon
>>82925302
It's a good thing that society is slowly turning away from emotion driven back to rationality.
This shit regressive writers pulls are about to end.
>>82925760
Having so much respect and admiration for that person that they want to carry on their legacy.
>>82925717
She's Moe Jailbait WHORES Grrrl Pwr Fem-verine.
Would be the worst fanservice comic character if the Joker's Daughter didn't exist.
>>82925911
Slow down with them buzzwords before you overdose.
>>82925302
X-23 taking up the mantle wasn't a bad move. Yes, it was inspired by modern comicbook publishers attempts to be progressive, but at least it wasn't as out of left field as Jane becoming Thor. My issue with the change is the complete disrespect the writers have shown toward X-23 and the journey she's gone through. Previous publications really paid respect to the fact that she was an ex-military project and had a rough upbringing. She wasn't this happy go lucky hipster always trying to be politically correct. She was socially awkward killing machine trying to navigate through her new surroundings and relationships (the most prominent being her relationship with her "father", a bond forged through their understanding of their similar backgrounds) and grow as a result. This new wolverine (and new take on x-23) gives me none of that. I'm all for Marvel trying to appeal to a wider audience, but this really rubs me the wrong way.
I hate Taylor doing this. I hate Taylor writing X-23. He should be writing PlaticMan or Harley, not doing this
>>82925945
X-23 is literally these things.
Literally an underage prostitute who used to cut herself.
>>82925302
Jesus does Marvel feel the need to do this in every title?
>>82926065
It's what the manchildren want to pay for, buddy.
>>82926065
Insecure creators.
>>82926065
How else will the jews work their meme magic?
>>82925560
>>82925338
Yes, it's the same artist as the second half of KSD's run.
>>82925587
There's a difference between "crying" and "poking fun at people crying."
>>82925717
Bitch was in MvC3 and made her first appearance in a popular X-men cartoon.
>>82926484
Doesn't matter,it's still playing into that narrative of persecution
>>82926484
Only to people who have fun poking down their face.
>>82926601
In the same sense that sunglasses are playing into the narrative of daylight.
>>82925302
It's funny cause she's the only Femplacement i'm okay with sense she has ACTUAL history with the Character she is replacing
>>82925302
I don't think anyone save casuals are really pissed off at the idea of Laura being Wolverine.
They're pissed off because
1. That costume looks atrocious on her.
2. The character in this book is not Laura Kinney. She's the generic 'badass' action girl, plus clever witticisms and compulsory internet references. Absolutely no trace of X-23 the character remains in her.
3. Honestly, some kind of espionage story would suit her better. Orphan Black: Girlverine Edition is sorta okay, but the entire tone of it seems... awkward.
>>82925422
Not at all, it makes perfect sense, and I'm not even mad that they had her personality make an improvement from "I don't know how to be social killing machine", it feels like her character has actually made some progress as far as growing up goes. But what I'm most happy aboit is that All New Wolverine didn't shy away and try to retcon out Laura's time as a prostitute. Honestly I've been enjoying this series. I just don't like the Wolverine costume on Laura, she should have stuck to her old Talon uniform.
>>82927224
I honestly feel like she had already moved on, or was moving on at a realistic rate, from the initial level of social retardation.
This Laura feels like a completely different, and very generic, character.
>>82927555
Consider this:
The last time she was written in a comic book before her ongoing it was in. All New X-Men, by The Bendis, and she was basically a non character at that point because of memory loss (the most lazy form of character development/devolution) and before then she was the cold emotionless killing machine in Avengers Academy. This version of Laura I find to be way more enjoyable than Bendis' take on the character, is it perfect? Nope, but it's a damn sight better than what we've gotten from her for the past 3 years.
Also, nice trips
>>82925302
Tom Taylor has written absolutely nothing subtle in his entire life, why would he start now?
>>82925422
I don't. Better than shitty hero sabretooth taking it. I'm upset that carnage-man didn't get to stay longer but creed did.
>>82925638
This run.
>>82927660
I don't recall how much she's been around in the last three years.
Way I see it, her ongoing did her well, but the actual stories were unfocused and boring. There was some really good character stuff but I couldn't bring myself to care about what was going on around them.
After that it was... Arena? That's probably when shit went bad.
Was her ongoing in the last three years?
>>82928479
Her ongoing was form more than five years ago I do believe, I think she was in X-Force at the same time, then it was Arena by Hopeless, then Bendis-Men, after Hopeless and Bendis I'm just happy to have a book with her in it that isn't written by either of them.
>>82925696
Looks fine as long as she's not wearing the cowl, though I'd much rather a Wolverine colored version of her X-Force uniform. That was arguably her best costume.
>>82925948
>She was socially awkward killing machine trying to navigate through her new surroundings and relationships (the most prominent being her relationship with her "father", a bond forged through their understanding of their similar backgrounds) and grow as a result.
Fucking this. From her first line of dialogue in New Wolverine I knew the writers didn't understand her character.
>>82925948
At very least it couldn't possibly get any worse than Hopeless' depiction of her over in All-New X-Men. There's no way that she and the character in All-New Wolverine are the same person.
>>82925302
>Marvel continues to misunderstand what makes people buy comics with this character in them
>Marvel lashes out because criticism hurts
>Marvel not sad, Marvel not dumb, Marvel smart!
Just fucking black bag Crusty Jones, hook him up to some golden throne tier life support, and force him to write HMQ from Laura's POV.
Get someone comfy for the art.
>>82925302
Fuck that's awful writing and i really liked x-23 too,get your shit together marvel.
>>82929122
>Get someone comfy
Please drink bleach.
>>82928720
I dunno she just looks awkward in it to me that my only complaint about her is wolverine is that I hate her outfit.
>>82930100
You're that one Gwenpool shitposter, aren't you?
Please continue to have terrible opinions, it's hilarious.
When spider-man first met x-23.
>>82925302
Two questions:
Is she still a prostitute?
Does she still have the pheromone kill frenzy?
>>82925422
I don't care anymore who is who in the Marvel Universe. I only care about a select few characters, the less they get dragged into crossovers, the better. Hell, it's perfect when they aren't featured in any current comics.
>>82925302
what is wrong with her eyes and mouth and nose
>>82925302
>Laura
>knowing anything about the Internet
Kek
>>82932069
>Does she still have the pheromone kill frenzy?
They ever never taking that out.
>>82925302
I really fucking hate the jabs Marvel loves to make at guys
>>82932692
>Has killed a fucked ton of people
>Has been a prostitute
>Killed her mom
>Has been homeless
BAWWWW PEOPLE ARE TALKIN SHIT ABOUT ME ON THE INTERNET
>>82932692
>>82933668
Yah that is really stupid when you think about it.
![418345-wolverine_super[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ss22OGs.jpg "418345-wolverine_super[1].jpg")
The Yellow costume doesn't really suit her. They should have dressed her like this but with a smaller mask that only covers her eyes and forehead.
>>82925302
I dont see anything wrong with this dialogue, she didnt say stupid guys. It is different to the female Thor vs Absorbing man dialogue, or the unsolicited opinions on Israel.
>>82925422
Even without his consent Daken took over the name once and I was fine with it, the idea I'd suddenly give a shit because Laura, who is literally a Wolverine clone anyway, did next is puzzling to me. Same thing with how Masterson or Ragnarok took the Thor title for a bit.
My only gripe with any of these cases is how the character themselves behaves, not whose name or image or whatever they're under. Whenever the Robins or Batgirls or whoever said or did something moronic I'd shake my head the same because dumb is dumb.
But these writers like to drum up their own drama to feel their ideas have an inflated significance people are opposed to due to how ahead of the time they are or whatever, instead of recognizing and accepting most of it has been done before, often better and the reactions are mostly from how they keep tripping over themselves despite past work to learn from.
>Favourite character gets brought back in to publication
>Immediately gets ruined
EVERY TIME
EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>82925605
Yeah I love how people throw out "literally who" as if it says anything more than "I don't know shit about comics...what movie is this from"
>>82925302
They afraid an idiot like you will not understand it so they play it straight because fuck it people these day are fucking stupid.
Will Marvel ever be good again? Or are we stuck with this tumblr-tier writing for years to come?
For fuck's sake, she's the only person who really makes sense to replace Logan.
Anyone who disputes that is a complete fuckwit who doesn't under the Wolverine/X-23 dynamic.
My only complaint is that isn't Laura.
Her personality is so butchered and bastardised that her entire backstory is just fucking GONE.
An honestly that backstory is why I liked X-23, and not Wolverine.
>>82926520
You know what he means, if you ask people already interested in Marvel stuff what they think of her then of course even if they've only played that game or watched Evo or Wolverine and the X-Men they'll have some idea what you mean.
If you ask any of the FoX-Men moviegoers what they think of X-23 the majority will have no idea what you're talking about, and when you explain it will probably say it sounds dumb. Those casuals.
imagine if Frank Millar wrote in a scene in Batman: Year One with Gordon talking about those damn nerds sending him mail about hi being wrong on who Batman really is
>>82933510
Eh..grow thicker skin
>>82925422
I honestly didn't give a shit. Sam being Cap was something that felt badly handled but not egregious, Kamala's book is better than her actual namesake's, Captain Marvel hasn't been good since he stopped being Rick Jones and Carol continues to disappoint, everything about Whor is awful and retarded and Cho Hulk has been alright. X-23 was the one that just felt like a complete non-issue.
>>82936136
>If you ask any of the FoX-Men moviegoers what they think of X-23 the majority will have no idea what you're talking about
>"You mean the girl in X-2?"
>>82925302
If taking Logan's name and costume aren't trying to replace him, I have no idea what would be.
>Tom Taylor is a hack who can't stop his obnoxious use of mouthpieces
surprise
This is my fault, boys. I kept asking
>"When's X-23?"
for years.
>>82925302
I think Marvel has done a few of these recently. Anyone got more?
>>82925422
I don't like it. I'm not super well-acquainted with X-23, but from what I've gathered from X-Men: Evolution and a few comics I've read that she's been in, a big part of her character was that she was trying to find her own identity and not just be Wolverine Jr. So giving her Wolverine's costume and name is the exact opposite of what she needs.
Besides, Wolverine isn't gonna stay dead forever so this is just a temporary change when they could have put in extra effort to do a change that would actually last.
>>82925302
Good writers would actually address the problem by writing a good story. Why do Marvel writers write shit and get defensive about it?
>>82938865
Because Marvel "Writers" are insecure manchildren that desperately want brownie-points with their socjus cliques, rather than to write decent shit.
>>82928616
>after Hopeless and Bendis I'm just happy to have a book with her in it that isn't written by either of them.
I honestly can't blame you.
Being Laura is suffering, Christ.
>>82938865
>>82939759
What about Ewing? What about Hastings? What about G. Wilson?
You can't say EVERY writer at Marvel is terrible any more than you can say every writer at DC is on the level of Scott Lobdell or Anne Nocenti.
>>82940318
I put the quotation marks around "writers" for a reason.
The actual writers that can write aren't "writers".
>>82940318
Are you the type to have to pull up exceptions whenever hearing broad statements?
But the truth is that DC has better writers, especially now. Not to mention Marvel lost some of their best writers, too.
>>82933959
or just give her the x force outfit with the mask and all, maybe a full shirt if they don't want to show her midriff
>>82938865
> she's not going anywhere
So she'll be here for one more day? Ultimately? Feels like a new universe, doesn't it?
>>82927779
He was too good for this world anon
>>82925422
I don't care about Wolverine in general. I am just glad that oversaturation of him dumbed down just a little (even after his death he's in fucking every X-book if you count the fact that Laura is just Logan's clone)
>>82940099
Honestly, the only thing I don't like about 23verine is that she seems to dip ut of character a lot. I will be honest and say that I missed a lot of it, but the first few issues of ANAD Wolverine she wasn't Laura at all, well adjusted or otherwise. The latest issue didn't seem so bad at least.
>>82936233
Oh so like it when the cook spits in your food?
>>82940736
DC has the largest staple of consistently mediocre writers I've ever seen. They're the masters of writing comics that are "OK."
>>82944541
The concept is good it's the execution of AN Wolverine that's a complete failure, ANAD Marvel is a disaster linewide, they've turned the book into another one of their female lead irrelevant books there's no difference between ANW, Thor, A-Force and Spider-Women books or Mockingbird
they got rid of the violence and body horror that made Wolverine and X-23 fun to read in the first place.
>>82925422
I was just thinking the same exact thing. I can't remember anyone bitching about her becoming Wolverine.
Hell, the only complaints I even remember hearing on a wide scale when it comes to X23 was how suddenly her personality flipped.
![BTGmyrTIQAAzZX2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O34dOF7.jpg "BTGmyrTIQAAzZX2[1].jpg")
>>82925302
This is the same guy who bring us this. What happened
>>82948323
He finally got to write a good book
![567760[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AywPT46.jpg "567760[1].jpg")
>>82948405
>imp Superior Ironman isn't great book
It die too soon. Wish their made AU about it
>>82948323
hes also the guy who helped ruin Earth 2.
>>82948896
I already in track before he touch
>>82948323
This is my first time seeing that panel. Is this fucking real?
>>82948323
>>82925302
Nobody should want to take Logan's place.
He's a drunk, smelly, irresponsible murder midget with no friends. There's no reason why the characters should like him just because he's popular IRL.
>>82948958
No. This is the real one.
>>82925533
Pretty much this. My issue isn't that she's Wolverine, my issue is that she isn't Laura.
>>82949019
>He's a drunk, smelly, irresponsible murder midget with no friends. There's no reason why the characters should like him just because he's popular IRL.
If you think that, you haven't read a comic in at least 20+ years.
When he died he was a widely respected guy who ran the school for mutants and had countless friends.
>>82925587
Just support DC instead anon. They have based Geoff Johns and actually are at least more subtle with PCness.
Christ Marvel is just sad at this point.
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HVvfpFd.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>>82950342
Oh boy
![Screen-Shot-2014-10-05-at-3.44.40-PM[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T2GMST2.jpg "Screen-Shot-2014-10-05-at-3.44.40-PM[1].jpg")
>>82951136
Also.
>>82951136
>person says something I disagree with
>PHYSICAL VIOLENCE!
How very tolerant and progressive.
>>82951136
He's telling the truth yet that's also somehow "mansplaining"?
>>82950342
Jesus, Johns is never going to get over that time that Batman KO'ed Guy Gardner, is he?
>>82951221
Mansplaining is when you use facts to undermine a modern day Feminist's argument.
>>82946375
>MARVEL has the largest staple of consistently tumblresque writers I've ever seen. They're the masters of writing comics that are "BAD."
I kind of hate that they have turned Wolverine and Thor into simply titles that anyone can hold. They've had that name for so long that it has become their name. It's not like they had a secret identity and were in a constant struggle to keep the identities separate.
The other thing is that these new heroes can't make their own identities. They just abandon everything they had built on their own to put on another hero's costume and pretend to be them.
I'm just waiting for someone with laser eyes to become the new Cyclops.
>>82952062
Wolverine's daughter isn't "anyone", and 15+ people have been Thor before in the comics.
>>82952062
>
The other thing is that these new heroes can't make their own identities. They just abandon everything they had built on their own to put on another hero's costume and pretend to be them.
So you haven't actually read these comics, then.
>>82952062
Laura isn't the first person to be Wolverine other than Logan
that anyone who picks up the hammer becomes Thor is straight up part of the character's concept. If you can lift the hammer, you get to be Thor. an absurd number of people have been Thor in the Marvel-verse
>>82951136
tbf that is from some shitty online comic, not the normal published ones.
>>82926808
>It's funny cause she's the only Femplacement i'm okay with sense she has ACTUAL history with the Character she is replacing
I haven't read any of this, but this sounds like what people would've said when Kyle Rayner became GL. I don't think not being connected to the character you're replacing is inherently bad.
>>82936233
Found the cuckold
>>82931914
Kek
>>82952385
>If you can lift the hammer, you get to be Thor. an absurd number of people have been Thor in the Marvel-verse
This is one hundred percent false. The wording on the hammer has always been quite explicit.
Having the power of Thor is not remotely the same thing as being Thor.
>>82926065
In the new Uncanny Avengers, we get slams against both Trump and the Oregon militia before the halfway point. :D
>>82951778
It was a really, really good moment.
God, I miss that era of the League.
>>82925302
>OP: How not to get meta about criticism
>pic related: How to get meta about criticism
>>82955509
No, see, it was a huge affront to all Green Lanterns and that Bat-fucker can't get away with it.
>>82928720
Why is modern Marvel so shit when it comes to their books?
>>82951136
>>82951163
>sensation comics
>read by anyone
Pick one bruv
>>82925302
2342342
>>82925302
Compare to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUiIdtwP4WM
>>82960525
Does this imply the earlier episodes had noquality?
>>82960525
This might be so unfunny that it actually gave me cancer.
>>82949019
He was her dad. It was a whole thing.
>>82950342
hahaha no. Johns isn't writing a single book and they pander like shit.
>>82955424
I hate Trump. But you know what I hate even more? REAL-WORLD POLITICS IN MY COMICS.REEEEEEEEE
>>82962199
>not liking Captain America going AWOL because of Watergate back in the day
>>82955540
it's pretty funny, but it wastes a whole page of comic. I'd rather have this stuff handled in the letters section.
>>82963168
If 4chan existed back then, they'd be defending Nixon to the death just to keep up their edgy contrarian angle, and call Captain America a "Hippie" for not standing by such a strong leader.
>>82948958
yup from injustice
>>82949097
I love this page so much.
