Valiantfags, all six of you, get in here now!
V-curious folk and everyone else is also welcome.
>What the fuck is this
See pic related
>When?
In 1 hour
>Where can I watch?
https://www.periscope.tv/valiantcomics
>Also
Please remember to feed all Faith trolls, ALWAYS RESPOND TO TROLLS GOD DAMMIT.
Is this going to be about that event they're going to start. Didn't that shit kill the industry back in the day?
>>82856288
My Body is Reggie.
>>82856633
Death Mate isn't an event, its just a villain named after one in the next Bloodshot arc.
Stream is also gonna be hosted on twitch at /hyperrpg.
>>82857051
Nice, fuck periscope
>Marvel's Civil War 2 brings back foil covers
>DC is doing a stealth Death of Superman event
>now this
Now what's the next step in your master plan?
>>82856288
is there a reason to care, how many relaunches have they done the past few years?
>>82857275
One
>>82857275
Depends on what exactly you mean, continuity wise they've stayed the same since 2012 when the current stuff started. They do re-number comics after a writer finishes a run though.
I love Valiant comics but it pains me they get so little attention despite being better written than the Big Two and doing the whole diversity pandering better.
>>82857522
Not a lot we can do, I'll keep buying if they keep their current level and pace
>>82857689
How did the Faith mini series do for getting them recognition?
IT IS HABBUDUNGGG
>>82857723
They got a bunch of press, I think it's a shame the mini was not to my Valiant standards, the setup was too long and it wasn't very interesting.
But the ongoing is getting publicity, that's good.
Atleast Faith is out of the way first. Really interested in the Stalinverse stuff though.
>7 new series announced today
>>82856633
>Didn't Liefeld kill the industry back in the day?
ftfy
>>82858031
What got announced?
>>82857903
I'm behind so I need to pick up some trades of events and get hardcovers for X-O and Bloodshot but nice to see they played the SJW crowd well to give them more of a boost in the public eye.
I don't get it though, Valiant are able to write different ethnicity characters really well without making a big fuss about it but Marvel just uses it as a selling point and are really in your face about the whole thing to the point of being obnoxious yet Valiant are the ones not getting love from the public.
>>82858031
I hope we get new Shadowman today. But who should write it?
>>82858120
>What got announced?
Only the announcement of the 7 books so far, currently
>Faith
>6 others
Though, Faith had already been announced so maybe it doesn't count? Let's wait and see...
>Van Lente doing Gen Zero
I'm very ok with this.
>>82858245
I was hoping for more Ivar, but this looks nice too
>>82858245
Gen Zero> Harbinger.
>Teenage superhero A-Team
I'm ready.
>>82858265
>>82858264
Remind me who Gen Zero are, were they the kids Peter and Faith tried to rescue from Bloodshot and Harada during Harbinger Wars? I liked them.
How do I get into Valiant?
>>82858319
Yeah, they're the kids that Bloodshot broke out of PRS that triggered Harbinger War.
>>82858319
Yep, them. They have more X-Men vibe than Harbinger did.
Harada eventually got Rightclops/Xavier/Magneto vibe, but Harbinger remained bitchy & whiny group.
>>82858331
Start with Harbinger, X-O Manowar and Bloodshot. You'll figure out when to get other titles.
MIlligan is writing Britannia. I hope its good, but his track record hasn't been great recently.
>Peter Milligan writing Britannia
>>82858331
Depends on what you prefer?
Humor -> Quantum and Woody
Humor/Action -> Archer & Armstrong
Action -> X-O Manowar
Spooky -> Shadowman
The rest of the series fall into place, you'll know when you need to read something else, there's not a lot of overlap.
gen zero art
>>82858555
The concept sounds interesting enough to get a couple issues.
Is Bloodshot Reborn any good?
>>82858633
Yes. I've been enjoying it a lot more than the first series.
>>82858633
It is. It's also separated from Bloodshot, you don't have to read previous run.
>>82858633
Its my favorite book on my pull list. You should read The Valiant first.
>>82858633
Personally I didn't like it that much. It was your basic story of a character becoming something they swore off, he said he would never become Bloodshot again aftee his nanites were purged. It was just a long re-origin story.
Bloodshot 2012 and his time with Unity. Thats my fuckin jam.
>>82858633
It's fucking great, even the latest arc which is pretty much a (good) Mad Max ripoff is enjoyable.
And on that note...
Outside of his own mini, does Ivar show up much elsewhere?
>>82858721
Only in Archer and Armstrong.
>>82858706
This sounds fucking radical. Also, I hope Bloodhound becomes Bloodshot's sidekick.
Is Gilad still in hell? Last I saw of him was the ending to Book of Death. Is he coming back?
>>82858721
Archer and Armstrong obviously since it establishes all 3 brothers.
>>82858761
He fought his way out of hell and now he's trapped... somewhere else.
Oh hey it's not Turok.
>>82858757
>>82858789
Well, I have something to read after work.
Thanks!
>>82858857
It's Kid Turok.
>>82858857
kek
Fuck Dynamite
>>82858761
I think he returned to life at the end of the first arc, he wakes up in some facility that the next arc is gonna be about.
>>82858871
And unless I'm wrong, he's in arc with General REDACTED. Pure fun, senpai.
>>82858879
Not too keen on the name tBh
I understand they can't call him like... Korut, but Savage sounds too generic
>>82858936
I doubt kid's name is Savage.
>>82858959
>>82858936
Is his first name Randy or is it just Savage?
God, not Harbinger again.
I'm ok with this Renegades creative team.
>>82859022
We'll have to wait and see.
But question is will he be Macho Man when he grows up?
>Darick Robertson
Fuck yeah
>>82859041
Yeah, it sounds even more X-Men this time
I just want more Harada san
>>82859145
Ditto.
And I don't like Renegades.
>>82859063
MAcho Man is his evil twin brother
>>82859145
Harada best character
>>82859145
Yeah it sounds like we probably won't get more Imperium when these starts
>>82859216
It was good while it lasted. Harada bitchslapped half of world, alien scum and God.
And his utopia will probably fail.
>>82859216
>>82859247
>Harada bitch slapped God
Mind telling me how that went down? I need to catch up on Imperium, one of the reasons I loved Harbinger wasn't for the Renegades but it was to see Harada basically run those little shits down. For people who were supposedly the good guys they really came off as villains.
>>82859290
It was in Divinity
I like the sound of this so far. But I like Harbinger just fine.
>>82859290
When Divinity showed up, Harada went to grab his power and shenanigans happened.
>Divinity III: Stalinverse
>>82859290
And forgot to say, you're completely right about Renegades being bad people. Rapist, Chad, whore but almost, ubercunt and Golden Age fangirl aren't my cup of tea.
>>82859368
Comrade of Shadows!
>>82859368
Fuck yes, is this the 3rd guy coming back to fulfill Glorious Soviet Mission?
>>82859395
>Shadowman with sickle and hammer and Spoopy Skeleton Attack Force
>>82859435
Dare I dream of Bloodshot and Shadowman: Communist Duo?
>>82859486
StalinverseQuantum and Woodyinproletariat hijinks
>>82859368
>Communists
At least it's not Nazis, I would've liked to see something different but at least they aren't going for something incredibly overused
>>82859395
I found myself agreeing more with Harada then I did with Peter throughout the entire run. Both of them are walking nuclear plants but Harada has more of his shit together and stable, I wouldn't even want to be anywhere near Peter if I was a psioist.
>>82859546
>Quantum only wants to be good communist
>Woody wants to corrupt him with devilish Western TV shows
>>82858331
If you like reading orders...
http://pastebin.com/zh8Kpd6g
>13 (THIRTEEN) people
>no ebin trolls
Is this the best Valiant thread we've ever had?
>>82859547
Seeing how my favorite muggas are Cyclops and Magneto, it's not surprising why i gravitate towards Harada.
Plus, he looks groovy in suit.
Is the stream not working for anyone else?
>>82859628
Sometimes I don't think /co/ deserves Valiant. The Faith mini made it almost impossible to have good discussions for a while but we're picking up.
>>82859658
It is working right now, there seems to be a giveaway now, so if you're American enjoy
>>82859657
>Ken Watanabe has stomach cancer
Alright, who's our next bet for Harada if the Valiant Cinematic Universe ever gets off the ground?
>>82859658
Yah, it glitched a lot and now it's ended.
Anyone wants to read One Percent?
>>82859657
Harada is great because he consistently gets shit done
>>82859768
Couple of decades ago, I'd say that guy that was Shang Tsung in Mortal Kombat.
I love that guy.
>>82859768
>Ken Watanabe has stomach cancer
FUCK YOU STAN
>>82859833
He could still play Harada when he's showing his actual age.
>>82859916
Now we need some decent looking Asian dude.
>>82859964
>>82859988
My secret wish is to storytime Delinquents one day.
>>82859905
I never connected it to being the work of Stan Lee, using his black magic to destroy competition.
All makes sense now.
Also what about other roles for the Valiant Cinematic Universe? My choices would be the following:
Clancy Brown-Master Darque
Mae Whitman-Faith Herbert
Jason Statham-Bloodshot
Peter Stancheck-Dane Deehan
Armstrong-Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Livewire-Danai Gurira
Also feel like Aiden Young should have a role, no idea which character he could play, possibly Aric of Dacia? I don't really see it though.
>>82860024
But until then, one-shots will be fine.
>>82860040
>Mae Whitman gaining the weight to play Faith
If her tits grow with the rest of her i'd rub myself raw
>>82860042
>>82860040
Lundgern for Aric. Or Gilad, anyway.
>>82860112
>>82860139
Sects were hilarious.
Especially Hitler lamas.
>>82860166
>>82860186
>>82860215
>>82859780
Picked it up at the store not knowing what I was in for, the art style just grabbed me.
I think it's gonna be a pretty wild ride if issue 1 is anything to go on.
>>82860236
>>82860258
>little Bruce Wayne berserker mode
>>82860252
One Percent is only one-shot. They should make more of them, they're hilarious.
>>82860309
Can't remember are those guys anarchists or DUDE WEED anarchists.
>>82860354
>>82860378
Anyone have a rundown of the announcements?
>>82860415
>>82860433
Bloodshot USA has him invading New York and killing zombies, Faith gets new comic, Generation Zero, Harbinger Renegades, Savage will have kid and probably his parents stranded on island with dinosaurs.
>>82860485
>>82860507
>>82860537
>>82860571
I've always wished to be member of exclusive club with members that wear masks, desu.
>>82860611
>>82860633
>>82860670
>>82860433
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/17/divinity-iii-britannia-savage-harbinger-renegades-bloodshot-usa-generation-zero-and-faith-valiantsummit2016/
I don't know if it got coverage on any of the other big sites
>>82860708
Would you?
>>82860736
muh personal rankings
1 Divinity III
2 Britannia
3 Bloodshot USA
>POWER GAP
4 Generation Zero
5 Savage
>POWER GAP
6 Harbinger Renegades
7 Faith
>>82860961
Divinity III
Bloodshot USA
Generation Zero
Savage (I really love dinosaurs but I'm more hyped for other books)
Britannia (so, horror?)
Renegades
Faith
So what is Britannia actually about? I don't think Milligan has written anything above mediocre since the 90's
>>82861714
>In the remote outpost of Britannia, Antonius Axia – the First Detective – will become Rome’s only hope to reassert control over the empire’s most barbaric frontier…and keep the monsters that bridge the line between myth and mystery at bay…
Jim Corrigan?
>>82857522
Valiant's being backed by a chinese media conglomerate that's hoping to expand the brand as far as it can. There's already been publicity for Valiant energy drinks and the the possibility of a Valiant theme park. They're in good hands, they just need to get the attention. Though I question using Faith as a glorified oversexed fat nerd girl to broaden the demographic appeal. I mean Faith is nearly boardering on parody at this point
Jesus Christ; Kris really went full on super dyke. Also why the fuck is she even still hanging around them? She isn't even a Psiot and was fuck-all useful the first time around
>>82860961
>>82861337
Stop hating on fat people!
>>82862203
She's main reason I want to torch Renegades.
>>82862233
Like you'd pick dinosaurs and Terminator over her.
>>82862203
They are all horrible people that fit together
>>82862278
Except Faith; when written properly as a counter to all the other shitheads instead of a quirky teenage girl
So, I think the only thing I won't be trying out of the announcements is the Faith ongoing, mostly cause the mini didn't really peek my interests.
>>82862203
I'm interested in this, but Gen Zero really does sound like the better Psiot book.
>>82862526
Van Lente is a better writer in general but I am not sure I am comfortable with someone who isn't Dyrst writing anything Harbinger related.
Not that Roberts is bad; I am just not sure he can the more emotionally weighty stuff needed
>>82862713
I think Dysart is more interested in writing more Harada, which I think is what they're doing. And Van Lente wrote my favorite single run in Valiant so far, so I have faith in him.
>>82862713
I'd kill for "Generation Zero are actually in cahoots with Harada" tweest.
>>82862713
I don't know actually. Roberts seems like he's really excited about the book. I'm willing to give him 3 issues at the very least.
>>82861792
Odd strategy for a publisher that has 0.75% of the market share as of April 2016. As leading comics retailer Brian Hibbs observed, the trend among readers is they're moving away from buying "lines" (i.e., interconnected books) and towards self-contained titles—call it blowback from the events Marvel and DC have been foisting on the market.
I don't know how long Valiant can keep expanding like this when the reader growth doesn't seem to be there. It seems like the publisher has a small but stable base of readers, but at this stage, adding more titles on top of the ones they already publish won't lead to more readers—what's more likely to happen is that the completists will just buy more Valiant titles. Good in the short term, but I think risks flooding their market niche with product that outstrips demand.
That said, this is somewhat similar to what BOOM! was doing a few years ago (they were just launching books left and right, whether or not the readers were there), and look at where they are now. The key difference, though, is that BOOM! had a diverse line-up of new standalone titles—superheroes, licensed comics, horror, humor, crime, sci-fi, fantasy—they were bound to make inroads in some relatively underserved segment of the market.
Despite the unique spins on the superhero premise, Valiant is still very superhero-centric, so that means its targeting a market segment that is already pretty saturated by Big Two books. It just doesn't make sense to me. Retailers are fairly conservative when it comes to ordering superhero product. Given a choice between ordering superhero books from an indie publisher or ordering superhero books from Marvel/DC, they're going to go with Marvel/DC almost everytime.
>>82863295
to add:
Maybe Valiant is seeing something with digital sales that we're not privy to (since digital sales data is proprietary) but just speaking from my online experience here, outside of these threads on /co/, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of mainstream buzz around Valiant.
Also, I can't forget the rumors that Valiant supposedly paid off the Harvey Awards committee last year so that they'd get more books nominated than any other publisher(in categories they're not even qualified!), which doesn't help dispel the feeling that things aren't on the up-and-up as far as the management/ownership of the company. Is all this part of a scheme to inflate the value of the company to make it more attractive to investors or outright buyers, perhaps?
>>82863339
>adding more titles on top of the ones they already publish
I do believe they're cancelling some books, their longest running title, X-O for starters, maybe Imperium, and some of them are replacement books (Bloodshot, Divinity)
>Also, I can't forget the rumors that Valiant supposedly paid off the Harvey Awards committee
I've never heard about this, any source?
I absolutely get your point though, as much as I love Valiant, I don't exactly see how they will grow to say a 5% marketshare.
>>82863441
>I've never heard about this, any source?
Here's an article that discusses some of the confusion over the Harvey nominees as it relates to Valiant (and BOOM! and Dark Horse, who also got some questionable nominations):
http://www.comicsbeat.com/harvey-awards-confusion-leads-to-response-from-zdarsky-others/
The rumors were mostly on the fan-side of the discussion... I don't think any of the major comics news outlets actually mentioned them, but you know that's what everybody was thinking. I mean, c'mon, Jen Van Meter getting nominated for "Best New Talent" for her work on Dr. Mirage? When Van Meter has been a comics pro since 1999? (Heck, she was already nominated for an Eisner in 2002!)
Anyway, the Harvey Awards have always been a little iffy as far as their nominations go, so it's not really anything new. I'm not a fan of comics awards in general, but the stuff last year with Valiant did make me sit up and take notice.
>>82863441
Yeah, they're just doing what they've been doing. A few series are or have reaching their natural conclusion points so they're putting out some books to replace them. Not to mention 3 of the books they announced today are minis.
>>82858245
Interesting, dysart was who i expected
>>82862203
Who is the black girl? Was she the one who could make her drawings come to life? Wasn't she much younger then Peter and the others the first time they met?
>>82858706
>>82859368
HYPED
>>82862203
Why is rafer roberts writing? Isnt he the artist of a&a?°
>>82864385
He is the writer, not the artist
Honestly this is disappointing
Divinity iii was all but confirmed already, i dont give a shit about faith, renegades is frankly worrying, savage will be shit (everything peter milligan has done for valiant is terrible), Britannia will be average
Dysart is nowhere to be seen, hopefully bloodshot reborn is not being replaced by a mini
Potentially gen zero will be their only good good comic, compare this lineup of titles to valiant next which had imperium, ivar, divinity, delinquents and i think rai
>>82864579
Peter Milligan isn't writing Savage, he's writing Britannia. B Clay Mann is doing B. Clay Moore. Also, I'm willing to give everything but Faith a chance.
>>82865022
B. Clay Moore is doing Savage rather.
>>82863339
They did say that their digital sales are pretty good somewhere, I think.
>>82863441
>as much as I love Valiant, I don't exactly see how they will grow to say a 5% marketshare.
I'd say 5% is optimistic, if Valiant continues to identify and market itself as a superhero comic company.
The traditional readership for superhero comics (male, white, ages 16–40) isn't growing (it might even be contracting). It's been this way for several years now. And anybody trying to get a slice of the superhero comics publishing pie has to settle for Marvel/DC's crumbs.
The only growth markets are the non-traditional ones: women, seniors, so-called "minority" markets, preteens, etc. (Fun fact: According a recent study by Kobo, women age 45+ buy and read more ebooks per capita than any other demographic. That's a potentially huge market for digital comics.)
Are those non-traditional markets receptive to superhero comics? Maybe. Marvel/DC seem to believe so, which is why they're doubling down on diversity. Maybe Valiant can break through with a comic like Faith.
Personally though, I think Marvel/DC have poisoned the superhero well, so to speak. They've devalued non-traditional markets for so long that now, those markets will only respond to superhero comics publisher overtures in a limited way. You'll get the occasional success like the new Ms. Marvel, for instance, but otherwise, I think Marvel/DC have yet to overcome the barriers to entry they themselves erected over the past half-century of catering (pandering?) to (mostly white) male teens and adults.
The smarter bet in my opinion is to court those non-traditional markets, not with superhero comics, but with non-superhero comics (a thesis that is supported, I believe, by the current resurgence in manga sales as well as Image Comics' continued growth).
>>82865758
I think what they should sell themselves on is not a shared super hero universe, but I shared universe of varried genres that happen to have superhero characters which is honestly more apt to how they work typically.
Gen Zero sounds neat but I really don't need or want 4 Harbinger ongoings from a company that released 9~ issues a month.
Britannica would be exciting if I hadn't known who the writer was. Looking forward to the rest of the limiteds, though.
>>82861792
What they need to do is create a comic starring a Chinese character and market that to the CHinese market. Rich Johnston seems to think that's what DC is doing with New Super-Man and if it works for them there's absolutely no reason for Valiant not to do so.
>>82862203
I don't really keep up with Valiant stuff. Is Peter still fucked up from his fight with Harada?
>>82866498
>Rich Johnston seems to think that's what DC is doing with New Super-Man
If that's what Rich (or DC) genuinely thinks then they might want to brush up on Chinese history and culture. New Superman writer Gene Luen Yang isn't going to write something just to ingratiate the book to mainland China's politics. For one thing, he's Taiwanese-American, a practicing Christian, and his most popular works (the Avatar: The Last Airbender books, American Born Chinese, Boxers & Saints) have an undercurrent of being critical of regimes like the the current one in China. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets blacklisted by communist China at some point.
>>82862203
Where the fuck is Dysart? Imperium cancelled now he's not writing Stanchek? Fuck this shit! Valiant's now got me as annoyed as Marvel/DC do.
>>82866422
I only count 3 at this point. Although, I barely count Faith as a Harbinger book since I doubt it really deals in the Psiot corner of the universe.
>>82866790
He's got a project in the works, probably more Harada.
>>82856288
I am so fucking bitter that Kindt and Lemire work at Valiant and not DC right now. Taste my salty tears.
Anyone else excited about most of the books? I mean, they've almost all have atleast a first issue purchase for me.
>>82856633
no, pandering to the cover fags did that. Just like what their doing nowadays.
>>82857098
meh, until they have the cyborg show up and nuke a city, I'm not impressed...
>>82864325
Yes, but they all look much older than the first time around.
>>82866790
>>82866848
All I wanted was more Harbinger by Dysart. Is that too much too ask?
>>82866794
You're right, I thought Imperium was gonna continue but it's absent from the August trades.
Haven't gotten past Book of Death yet so I'm behind in my info
>>82867050
I think he's probably told the story he wants to tell with Peter. I feel like a new writer should have a go.
>>82866988
Yes
>>82866962
Eh, Lemire doesn't do that well in the Big 2, his only good book at Marvel is Moon Knight, and that's because editorial doesn't give a fuck about Moon Knight enough to pull him into events and shit so he has liberty.
>>82867099
Moon knight isn't even that great. It's completely carried by the art.
>>82866988
No. I'm not.
>>82867201
That's your opinion and I respect it. It's totally false though.
>>82856700
Well that's underwhelming.
>>82867397
>It's totally false though.
You're too easily impressed
>>82867099
I mean, I guess I'm less interested in Britiannia after hearing its Milligan and I was never really that interested in a Faith solo. But the two Harbinger books and the other minis are definitely something I want to read.
>>82868212
What the fuck is with some people's Milligan hateboner?
>>82870532
I don't necessarily hate him, he just hasn't done anything I really liked recently.
>>82862203
Kris never really played that big of a role in the series, let alone the original. In the 90's comic, she just served as a catalyst for the birth of Magnus by fucking Torque. Other than that, she was just sort of an avatar for the reader
>>82863339
I know we hate the site of le upboats, but related anecdote to that rumor: /r/comics had to scrap some of its own user-run comic award categories because a Valiantfag tried to rig the votes.
What if Dysart's new book is the Psi Lords book teased in the FCBD issue?
