Fact: if a new show introduced a half African American / half Hopi Native american (with a hispanic name) ace police detective as the lead female character, we would be shitting on it already for embarrasing tumblr-pandering
>>82819350
Yes.
>>82819350
Yep.
>>82819350
That's probably true, but everyone bitches about everything. We even make up terms to so we can continue bitching about the same things over and over again
>>82819350
but she's cute though. /co/ would be divided on this issue.
>>82819350
not when it isn't a defining character trait. We didn't know anything about her parents ethnicity until long into season 2.
Her skin was slightly tanned, that is all we knew about her in regards to her ethnicity
>>82819350
Because the new show would make it a huge deal and would talk about the detective's ethnicity and gender all the time and make it a focal point
>>82819647
I actually thought she was Hispanic before it showed her mom and dad.
>>82819663
No, a new COMIC would make it a huge deal.
In a children's cartoon she would simply be present to show how progressive the network is and her race would never be remarked upon because you have to protect children from difficult concepts like racism and bigotry and violence and sexuality and pooping otherwise they might get confused and become terrorists when they get older!
>>82819350
Depends on how it's handled and revealed. From the first episode, her name was Elisa Maza, she was a NY cop. Her hair was black, her skin was medium-brown. That was cool and normal and fine.
If it had been her jumping on a cop car's roof and yelling "FREEZE! ELISA MAZA! NYPD! NATIVE /AFRICAN AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT LADY!"
Well, we would be mildly upset.
>>82819647
We saw both her parents near the end of season one. Her brother wanted to get a job with Xanatos and there was a gag where their father agreed with Elisa and their mother agreed with Derek and they both thought the other would have the opposite opinion.
>>82819697
>her race would never be remarked upon
That's a good thing because that kind of thing usually comes across as hamfisted preaching.
>>82819738
>We saw both her parents near the end of season one
yes, but they never explained what ethnicity they were, heck, they had almost the same skin color. As a kid, a non-american that is, i thought that was simply an acceptable shade of skin color for any non-african person, thus was quite confused when they revealed her mother was technically black
look at pic related, does this look like a "black" woman to you?
>>82819782
Yep, it's in the nose. Derek definitely reads as black.
>>82819647
She's hot and it was never a huge plot point so it would've been fine.
Most importantly, she's hot.
>>82819350
Elisa Maza is waifu material.
>>82819801
the high fade flat top helps
Gargoyles being folded over into Marvel/MCU movie when? Or at least a live-action Disney movie?
>>82819782
>look at pic related, does this look like a "black" woman to you?
Yep. Hair and earrings are tells, and skin tone.
>>82819350
>>>82819697
>hispanic
Originally she was, with the surname Chavez, but when Salli Richardson was cast as her VA they changed it because Salli has a native/black mother and a white father. I imagine Elisa's parents have just enough white in them to make her look as she does.
>>82819920
Welp, forgot pic.
>>82819920
Her boss was named Maria Chavez though, they really wanted to use that name
Reminder to buy the Gargoyles pilot Cinestory when it comes out, so Weisman can convince Joe Books to let him do an ongoing.
>>82819647
Her brother showed up in s1 and he was obviously black. I remember that confused me as a kid
>>82819350
>ace
Is this ace as in asexual or ace as in highly competent?
>>82820017
>$30 for a comic adaptation made with screenshots
Ehhhhhh....
>>82819782
As a black guy, yes she does. All that mingling with whitey has given us a great variety of shades
>>82819350
This.
>>82819350
Only because if she didn't have a white voice actor pushing a terrible accent, she'd be voiced by Cree Summers.
>>82820153
>Only because if she didn't have a white voice actor pushing a terrible accent
She was born in NY and spent all of her life there, she'd have the terrible local accent by default.
>>82819647
>>82819663
name one show that does this
>>82819856
She had like 3 episodes about both sides of her heritage during that world travelling arc
>>82819964
> Dat 90s Power Lady look / Captain Janeway hairdo combo
>>82819350
Of course. /co/ goes out of its way to look for something to be offended by.
>>82819350
Sad but true.
Yupp Tumblr ruined female characters for me
>>82819647
Nah, no matter how long it took to introduce /co/ would call it pandering. If it wasn't mentioned until the very end /co/ would say it was thrown in at the last second to pander.
>>82821663
This was true for Korra.
>>82819350
But she's delicious brown, attractive, is an action show, well made and animated and doesn't push politics into it.
Like hell /co/ would protest it.
You don't honestly believe that do you?
you can't prove shit, faggot
>>82819350
Fact: if the internet had developed the same level of accessibility and connectivity we "enjoy" today back when Gargoyles first aired, the show would not have even made it past Season 2.
>>82819350
She looks like a tan white person.
The best kind of minority, I think.
>>82819350
Fact: Any character in any show will cause many people to bitch, regardless of race, gender, size, religion, etc. Bitching about these things one way or the other is a part of the human condition.
>>82822243
That's a good thing because season 3 fired the crew and replaced them with Disney yes-men who made a bad show.
>>82819350
There is literally no way to create something without somebody, somewhere bitching about it.
Did anyone else think her voice actress was always phoning it in? It was especially noticeable next to Kieth David's great acting
>>82819647
Well, yeah. But also because so many people in recent years have made such a big fuss about minority representation, and how important it really is and how evil you are when you don't fill the minority-quota on your show etc.
When Gargoyles aired none of this was going on, so she was just another character that happened to have an interesting ethnicity. There was hardly any focus on that, she was her own character.
Sadly, now most of the time if there's a minority/LGBQT character added to a show, it's simply to go "yeah, so what I like to suck cocks and don't talk about anything else, it's somehow my defining personality trait and should be respected and acknowledged at all times!" while decent writing would have prevented this "minority-representation" from being and evil/scary thing in the first place.
>>82819350
Oh look, Asami with brown eyes.
Fact: Elisa's character never revolved around her heritage and any time it was mentioned it was done naturally. Were it released today it would be the tag line for the show.
>>82821693
Yep, not even mad she ended up with Asami but more so the fact it was thrown in as an "apology" for not writing a good female character for 4 seasons.
>>82822749
More blame probably on the voice director. Keith David gives off a naturally empowering voice but you also had a great cast from Star Trek, Ed Asner, and accomplished VA Jeff Bennett who didn't get the opportunity to really shine.
>>82819350
Her race wasn't shoved into our face the first instant we saw her. The creators also weren't very vocally beating themselves for being so racially diverse.
They added someone of color without being. She's also not just a rebooted super hero given a new skin color. that always pisses me off.
>>82823272
They even subtly implied a ever so progressive these days mixed race relationship between her and Goliath that was natural enough not to even matter.
>>82823272
this whole post is riddled with errors but i can't be assed to delete it and retype it.
>>82823272
Ah, back when writing meant something just had to be generally well-written to succeed, instead of pandering to a loud minority on the internet.
Quick question, why is it only minority characters that have to justify their presence in a story?
>>82823467
Every character does, what are you even talking about?
>>82819350
Maybe, since retards tend to cry out whenever they can, but that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed or people won't like the character. Just look at Kmala Khan
>>82823467
because they're a hot button "issue" nowadays and a minority so people have a hard time buying they just so happened to make a non white character unless of course they're from a non white culture/country.
>>82823673
I blame all the websites who use "omg Thor is a woman now!!!" as clickbait.
Races and genders of characters wasn't always a big deal until they turned into marketing tools, and these characters were being introduced to casuals defined primarily by their race/gender/sexuality/whatever.
>>82819782
For some reason as a kid I thought she was asian
>>82819924
Wasn't she Allison in Eureka?
Weisman does minority representation right. He's not bragging about doing it and being an attention whore like Bryke or anything. Even in his newest comic, he just quietly revealed Nightmask was bi and didn't make a big fuss about it.
>>82825615
Meh people were bitching about blaqualad until they decided they liked blaqualad.
And nobody even knows that comic exists.
It's all basically a matter of
>I like thing therefore, thing thing does is okay
>I don't like thing therefore everything it does is shit, in fact its shit because they decided to make it shit.
I mean his Spider-man did tons of raceswaps, had a bunch of interracial relationships, no one cared...then again social justice horseshit wasn't as big a deal back then so who the fuck knows.
I miss spectacular Spider-man.
Hey, I remember that show. That was Gargoyles, right? Kewl show.
>>82819350
I'm not american so I don't care about the use of afro-americans and natives in cartoons and the asociated tropes.
Except that alien that oozed sassy black woman in The Force Awakens. Way to break my immersion.
>>82819697
That kind of PR is particularly annonying.
>>82819426
>divided
That shitty meme, and you want to act like enough of us "literally me" like you do to consider us divided.
Stick to your dunce corner, please.
>>82823467
Every character has to justify its presence in a story.
The issue with some minority characters is that they are part of a minority before being a character for the show. They don't serve the story, they serve a RL agenda.
Imagine if Wakfu got a black character. Not someone with black skin, it already got tons of that, but a "character from black minority (african american equivalent) with all the implications". It would bring new storylines, with the chances that it's badly done or that other storylines get unfinished because of it. Things like that are especially jarring in settings unrelated to our own world.
Ofc a character from a minority can be a good character, but most of the time it won't come from his minority status; unless it's the purpose of the show to explore such issues and relationships.
>>82819647
AMBIGUOUSLY BROWN
LAZY PANDERING
>>82822385
Tan whites are a minority where you live? Everyone is like this in my country.
>>82819350
I thought she's Greek.
>>82828068
Does it really matter?
>>82828068
Xanatos IS greek. Look at that magnificent swarthy bastard
Kali Reis is an American professional female boxer. She is the first professional Native American boxer to hail from New England, and the first Native American fighter to win the International Boxing Association (IBA) middleweight crown.
>>82826937
>My headcanon makes all of the Sadidas black
Also
All of the Evangelines are white
All of the Pinpins are arab
All of the Adamai's are asians
All of the Yugo's are furries and
All of the Ruel's areskinflints
>>82826223
Most people thought Kaldur was just a race-swapped Garth. It wasn't until it was revealed he was just a brand-new character that people stopped raging about him.
>>82820193
Hilariously steven universe does the former,
For all the talk about how pandering it is, it has yet to EVER verbally make mention of ethnicity or gender in any real or tangible way as far as I know.
>>82820228
That's fine, the problem is when that's a main plot of her character. Some development or getting in touch with her heritage is fine. She wasn't the "minority" character, she was her own character first and foremost.
>>82829664
I was more thinking of the Osamodas and Flaqueux. A couple background characters too.
But most classes actually have pitch black skin options in the game.
>All of the Adamai's are shit
better
>>82823467
Because white is default. Pandering to them is expected, but doing so with anyone else draws focus away from white people which is wrong.
>>82832771
Yes, Adamai is truly shit.
>>82819782
>does this look like a "black" woman to you?
Yes?
What do I win?
>>82832982
Can it really be said to be pandering if it's the default? Pandering implies going out of your way to do something.
Not to get to pol or some shit but a mixed girls are the best girls.
It's almost like people on this board are idiots...
>>82835041
A sassy high yellow Goblin Lady in a direct position of authority as a supporting character.
>>82819782
She looks multiracial like someone from Brazil. It may have been intentional because at the time that this show was airing, characters were generally just depicted as being one race.
I don't want to enable "muh tumblr" faggots, but back then they included them because they made good characters in the story. Now they include them because they need a quota for some audience they know is gonna be watching.
And "you don't like it = bigotry" wasn't used as a defense back then.
>>82835191
Agreed
>>82835252
God I love her. Takes no shit and gives no fucks.
>>82826223
Weisman was a SJW before SJWs existed in the popular consciousness.
>>82819782
>>82825570
Yep...
>>82819647
Race, gender etc. can be a defining character trait and still work. The problem arises when it becomes some ham handed attempt at pandering.
>>82823318
>subtly implied a ever so progressive these days mixed race relationship between her and Goliath
And then confirmed after the fact.
Someone has that screencap, right?
>>82819782
For some reason people have really hard times with the idea of light skinned black people
>>82836214
Well they're called blacks. The name is misleading when they aren't even dark.
>>82836534
Most unmixed blacks are still just a deep brown, some are even a much lighter brown. Black was always just racial shorthand like white. At this point in time it just means a noticeable amount of subsaharan african ancestry even when admixed heavily with other races.
>>82819350
I'm sure we'd roll out the usual complaints.
"Her linereading was terrible"
"She's a selfish bitch"
"She demands to be the center of attention"
"She's a stupid bitch and should get out of Goliath's way"
>>82819350
Wait, what? I thought she was Latino because of that whole skin tone and name. Did they just change their minds randomly in the show's run?
>>82819647
>not when it isn't a defining character trait. We didn't know anything about her parents ethnicity until long into season 2.
You're right, but people still would have hated her anyway. Her being Nigerian/Hopi Native American would have had people calling TUMBLRRRRRRRRRRRRRR from the goddamn heavens
You can't tell me that people wouldn't be calling this pandering.
>>82819782
...Yes?
Not all black people come in the same shade of brown.
What, are her lips not big enough for you or something?
>>82837726
Sure they can. It's not like you can prove it.
>>82837762
To be fair it's a drawing, there are people who still think Terry MCGINNIS is fucking Asian.
>>82819647
>We didn't know anything about her parents ethnicity until long into season 2.
Why haven't any of you Tumblr faggots called bullshit on this? Broadway shoots Elisa and in like episode 7, Season 1 during a PSA episode and Elisa's family visits her in the hospital. I forget about her mom but her dad also appears again towards the end of the 1st Season.
>>82837645
Goliath/Demona were the one true couple.
The producers were cucks.
>>82821698
>Like hell /co/ would protest it.
>You don't honestly believe that do you?
Like hell we wouldn't. People catch a whiff of Tumblr pandering, even if it isn't there, and they lose their fucking minds. It's as annoying and as stifling as SJW nonsense.
>>82837995
Demona was MSF for hundreds of years.
>>82837697
No see>>82837950
Pic related is from the third episode after the 5 part pilot.
>>82837950
Oh, and fun fact: I didn't realize that Yin from The Batman was a reference to Elisa as a kid. I just thought it was a trope to have a contrarian minority policewoman align herself with the antihero.
>>82828068
>>82828978
personally I figure DCAU Luthor is either half or quarter Greek, and possibly quarter or less Black as well
>>82829069
Xanatos is still one of the best "Villain" characters ever
>>82838214
she's also a reference to Captain/Commissioner Ellen Yindel from The Dark Knight Returns
>>82838094
>>82837950
I think people gave more a shit about her getting fucked by Goliath than what she was made of.
>>82838094
>Parents look black, but supposedly one of them is supposed to be Hopi?
>I literally go my whole life thinking this woman was a cool latina action woman
I really don't know how I feel about this
>>82837995 >>82838030
Demona is an awesome character, best in the show for sure. I do wonder if she would be depicted as the delusional, self-rationalizing, half-insane hateful bitch she is if the show came out today, instead of simply "100% badass but evil" or a similar safe formula.
Also:
> Seemingly awesome Demona fanart
> She has a navel
EVERY TIME. The best case scenario is pic related
>>82819350
Fact: Diversity is fine and embraced by all when done right.
The ham fisted SJW approach of "turning the troupes against men" is not only annoying, but also transparent.
>>82838936
Want an example of what i was talking about?
>>82835568
That is ham fisted and transparent to the point of being annoying. Only a small political group get enjoyment out of this garbage.
>>82839076
>>82835568
The thread was brought down
<---Pic related, it is what i was linking to
>>82838492
I think the gray haired guy is her dad.
Mr. Flat top is probably a brother.
If it makes you feel better she's basically just a homemade Puerto Rican or Cuban. Just substitute with Hopi instead of Taino.
>>82835191
>>82835337
anons who get it
Fave mixes? Asian and Latin american are up there for me
>>82838492
Hey there's always Montoya from Batman.
>>82838094
See, I always figured that the Mazas were a blended family with Derek from the mom's first marriage, which is why he looks significantly more black than either Elisa or... whatever their sister's name was.
Is that not the case? I thought that's how it was supposed to come across. The girls both really take after their dad.
>>82819350
fun fact, her ancestry wasn't shoved down our throats or constantly mentioned in the show.
That makes this character both good and interesting because it's only mentioned at relevant times.
>>82840504
Mixed families are a grab bag. Sometimes kids look similar. Sometimes they don't.
>>82839133
Pfffthahahaha, it's like...I know the author intended for us to side with squirrel girl, but galactus' confused reaction of,
>"wait, is this really happening, is this speck of nothing actually starting an argument about pronouns with I, GALACTUS? DID RICHARDS PUT HER UP TO THIS?"
>itt a fuckton of white guys threatened by everything that isn't a white guy
g-geez guys, tumblr, right??
>>82839336
Blasians are master race
>82840598
Her ancestry came up several times in the show. She went to africa once, met a native american gargoyle, found a coyote spirit or something in america, etc. Ancestry in general was important in the show for everyone. Dingo had some self-actualization while having a spirit quest in the dreamtime.
>>82840691
The lighter one is an abomination
>>82846089
He can become an actor and play an albino.
There was some light-skin on The Man in the High Castle.
>>82835191
Anti-/pol/ here, mixed girls are meme-tier.
>>82820017
>Comic book continuations of tv shows
How much of a failure do you have to be to resort to this?
>>82819350
>implying most "Hispanics" are not Native americans with hispanic names
You've already shit the bed, OP.
>>82819782
No, but she's still a fucking nigger.
>>82849767
Most Hispanics are different mixtures of Natives, Whites, and Blacks. Granted so nonHispanic Natives at this point.
>>82819350
I hate our state of things. I wanna write some stories, and I'm a worldly man, I've lived in Asia, Europe and America by now so my story would contain people from all over the world from all walks of life, but then you'd have fuckwits who'll just focus on their race and sexuality.
tumblr and pol are the worst.
I love how fans keep drawing her with and acting like she has a tight ass. She actually has a 45-year-old-mom ass on the show. Also, a half-Indian half-black girl would be black as shit. She wouldn't have as much in the way of white features.
>>82819375
Nice meme, cuck.
>>82851546
See >>82819924
Clearly her mom and maybe her dad have enough white ancestry to make that happen.
>>82851789
This. Her mom reads as fairly light skinned to begin with. Not high yellow but not far off. And we've already established that Elisa takes after her old man for that delicious cinnamon.
