We all know which is better
>>82814041
Pussy
>>82814041
That Arthur episode has inspired an impressive amount of rage so I think it deserves some credit.
>>82814041
Yes, it's quite obvious.
>Cartoons can be canceled because of the slightest ideological variation from the middle American norm because of the influence on children
>Anime can literally give children seizures and still go on for 20 years
>>82814221
>Cartoons can be canceled because of the slightest ideological variation from the middle American norm because of the influence on children
Give me 5 examples, please.
>>82814041
But I like both.
Neither is better then the other
>>82814041
>>82814221
>>Anime can literally give children seizures and still go on for 20 years
They can get cancelled too. Some of my favorite anime gets "wrapped up" too quickly because funding gets pulled away.
>>82817303
Why does /co/ like KoTH so goddamn much, it was a terrible boring ass show, with a main character who needed to be severely beaten with a bat.
>>82817096
Off the top of my head, Bobo bo whatever only aired maybe 2episodes in my area and was immediately dropped on a saturday morning program. Literally all saturday morning cartoons since then have stopped airing altogether and it has been a very long 7 years hoping they will come back.
>>82817371
You just answered your own question. We like it ironically.
What is Serial Experiments Lain of /co/ ?
>>82817650
Cyberchase.
>>82817371
>>82817430
>>82817385
That has nothing to do with western cartoons getting the axe. That's a lack of localization directed at children.
>>82817385
>your network dropped Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
you poor child, that shit was actually funny
>>82817341
Anime getting cancelled is very rare. The only example I know off the top of my head is the original Gundam. The sponsor pulled out because of creative differences and the show ended prematurely.
>>82817650
Nothing.
>>82817805
KotH is casual as fuck though. We're not exactly talking about a hidden gem here, it was a major Fox sitcom.
>tfw when US is filled with tumblr show creators and reboots
>tfw when Japan made a good show that started out as a webcomic with shitty art
>pic related it's one Punch Man
>>82818789
>Cartoons are filled with [negative connotation]
>But Japan has produced this (one) good thing
Anyone who thinks either cartoons or anime is inherently better than the other probably needs to be slapped
Their production processes and quality are so ridiculously arguable it's not viable to find even so much as a proper grounds of agreement to begin with
>>82817341
>>82818424
Anime dont get cancelled, they simply never get a second season
>anime has a huge variety of genres, but is still 80% percent shit
>cartoons are mostly comedy and lack other genres or fail to evoke any emotion, especially today. but theres still good stuff
So neither are better but I would pick anime over cartoons any day especially if we're talking about recent stuff
>>82818789
>tfw western webcomics will never get an animated show.
>>82818869
Welcome to the butter vs margarine thread, you probably need to be slapped for your post.
>>82818789
Superman already seems a lot more humble than this guy.
>>82818869
Anime is inherently better, though. It has better character design, animation, camera work, cinematography, background art, sound design, music, voice acting and writing and vastly more variety in genres and themes.
>>82818912
>>82814041
I like animated action/adventure
Those way too few and far between in cartoons, nevermind that most get cancelled before a proper ending. I'm glad I went back to anime recently, there just not enough variety in cartoons.
>>82817341
The only example of an anime getting cancelled that I know of is that battle programmer thing.
>>82818698
Who even watched King of the Hill anyway? I have a good idea of Seth MacFarlane shows primary demographic, and the simpsons, but what demographic that watched KotH is large enough to keep it running for so long?
How many cartoon genres are there?
>>82819099
Its basically a live action sitcom in animated form
>>82818912
CAD did.
>>82818892
So, they get reruns?
>>82818915
I know exactly what kind of thread this is
>>82819005
>camera work
You what
The rest of what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying: debatable as hell.
If you wanted to argue that anime is inherently better because it pushes insanely for its own standards in production, you'd have a better point.
>>82819217
That should never have happened.
>>82819411
>You what
The imaginary camera through which we look at animation. Where it is positioned and how it is moved.
>The rest of what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying: debatable as hell.
Not at all. All of the things I listed are done better in anime.
>>82819475
Also, we can say as an opposite example that America does live action better than Japan. While Japan has produced many great live action movies and some good TV shows, they still can't compete with America on the whole, especially when it comes to production values.
>>82818912
...there was Axe Cop and We Bare Bears.First read your sentence and thought you were actually suggesting webcomics all adapted in one show a la House of Mouse or something...the grammar is so confusing for me.
>>82819475
>The imaginary camera through which we look at animation
Oh I know, it's just that when you already listed "animation" I kinda figured that territory came with.
>Not at all. All of the things I listed are done better in anime.
I'll give an example here.
The problem with anime is that it's expensive to make, to the point where working in the industry is basically like serving in a sweatshop. This leads to many, many works that are rushed, unfocused, and so on. You can notice the writing in a large number of anime go down the drain, and problems like these are exactly what back only a relatively few true successes in sales every season, as opposed to the many others that don't quite make it.
Whereas with voice acting you could argue that it's better because everyone is so elite due to struggling through schools and competition to breed the best of the best. This isn't quite the case with its writing in the same medium. Mangaka are not inherently equivalent with good writers, they are just people who need to get their work out there, and editors among others are there to smoothen things out; this can equate to polishing a rock or polishing a turd. The same more or less applies to original anime writers. So to say writing is inherently better in anime, when the writers aren't evidenced to be on another caliber, yet when environment for it is objectively much more harmful, is wrong.
Again, this is something that can go extremely back and forth. Unless you list something a little more concrete, your stance isn't quite going much anywhere.
>>82819620
I also forgot to mention that everything is extremely sensitive to time period too
Back in the 70s you could argue cartoons were easily superior to anime in every regard because Japan was still trying to get out of another economic rut. 80s Japan had the bubble economy and anime was booming. 90s was when that started popping for anime, 2000s was "I can't into digital" period, and current is "I can into digital now but my economic formula is back to more or less garbage". Cartoons had a bunch of decade-eras with largely fluctuating quality too.
It's one thing to argue inherent quality of mediums, but to reference anything outside that as proof is just silly. I doubt it's impossible to make objective analyses on which is better through some hardcore thought but even more I doubt it's a worthwhile thing to do. You'd have to wade through decades of history and information to even begin making a proper measure between the two. They're so different in what they have to offer it's not quite something I believe on anyone when they think they have the answer.
>mfw I found out from the other thread that each episode of Family guy costs 2 million dollars each
ANIME IS BETTER NOW, LET WESTERN ANIMATION BURN
>>82819754
Source?
>>82818912
>we will never get a questionable content show
thank god
>>82819788
Was this thread
>>82773581
>>82817650
Boring
>>82819620
Around 2011 it was estimated that anime costs, on average, $150,000 per episode. American shows at the time cost between $500,000 and $2,000,000.
Even the most modest anime have better production values than American shows, and I don't know about you but I prefer occasional problems (that are usually corrected for the BDs) over consistent lameness.
There are somewhere between 30 and 50 full length shows produced every season, and some of them are bound to be creative and/or commercial failures or have production issues. Some are great successes and unexpected hits. Most are somewhere in the middle.
Do you think it's better to cautiously produce very few shows and hope to keep them on the air for the next hundred years?
Writing is better in anime because anime covers such a huge amount of ground and draws from so many different sources compared to American animation.
>>82819714
In the 70s anime already had shows like Future Boy Conan, Mobile Suit Gundam, Heidi: Girl of the Alps, Devilman and Galaxy Express 999.
>current is "I can into digital now but my economic formula is back to more or less garbage".
A popular belief among people who don't actually watch current anime.
>You'd have to wade through decades of history and information to even begin making a proper measure between the two.
You are overcomplicating and obfuscating the issue. If you compare any of the areas I mentioned during any era except maybe the 60s, anime nearly always comes out on top (and don't forget that many American shows back in the day were actually produced in Japan). American animation fundamentally does not have means to compete because of how much it sabotages itself.
>>82819944
Whoops sorry didn't finish the rest of that post, but your original point was that anime does everything better, so I'm going to stick to writing as my point of contention here, keep things less cluttered than needed. Since you were arguing for inherent quality.
>Writing is better in anime because anime covers such a huge amount of ground and draws from so many different sources compared to American animation.
That makes it more varied, not better. Don't confuse the two.
>>82819156
>Half of the "Themes" are just porn
Anime was a mistake
>>82814041
Yes, the winner is clearly Bandes Dessinées.
>>82819823
>This is what $2,000,000 gets you in America:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GNPgAQ4SuA
>This is what $150,000 - $300,000 gets you in Japan:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cesUa9ORc
Where does the money go
>>82819156
How can anyone actually have the balls to post this when this image unironically treats demographic like a genre and when half the themes are infamously sexual
>>82818869
This. They are both shit in their own way
>>82820041
To the overpaid big-name voice actors, I would presume
>>82819885
I'm not treating this as a main part of the argument anymore
>>82819993
but I just wanna throw out there:
>In the 70s anime already had shows like Future Boy Conan, Mobile Suit Gundam, Heidi: Girl of the Alps, Devilman and Galaxy Express 999.
All of these have aged much less graciously than you may like to think.
>A popular belief among people who don't actually watch current anime.
What's even your reasoning behind this?
>>82820008
>>82820075
This
>>82819993
>That makes it more varied, not better. Don't confuse the two.
It also makes it better. Anime is more than episodic children's cartoons and adult sitcoms. It covers every genre and almost every kind of story for every target demographic. The stories come from freelance writers, manga artists, light novelists, novelists, game developers and visual novel developers. A ton of different people from different media writing stories about everything under the sun. There's no way American shows can compete with that.
>>82820085
>All of these have aged much less graciously than you may like to think.
Of course they don't look as good as more modern shows, but I wasn't comparing them against anime. Conan has some pretty tight background art though.
>What's even your reasoning behind this?
The better question is: what's your reasoning behind the notion that today's anime is garbage?
I like both of them really. I watch more anime than cartoons because there is more stuff what i like in anime. And yes i enjoy some CGDCT even when /co/ hates it.
The only animu I remember watching in my laifu was one about some dudes in a school who fought each other with mini version of themselves and some dude who could feel the pain his mini version feel.
It had like one season and other episode that had nothing to do with the story and then it died and never came back.
>>82820141
That whole paragraph is just repeating the variety statement.
Nothing about what you said assures any of them goes through quality training to be better writers than the bare necessity. I could easily make the counterpoint that because anime is so hefty to create, they make this variety out of a necessity simply to stay alive in the industry, rather than because variety has been well evidenced to be more than just a correlation to a solid script.
Again, do not confuse the two.
>Conan has some pretty tight background art though.
Gotta admit, anime background art always gave me a good hard on.
>The better question is: what's your reasoning behind the notion that today's anime is garbage?
Read the post again bruh, I said economy, not the medium.
>>82820283
We can't go around comparing every single American show against every single anime show, but we can look at the big picture.
American shows: mostly television writers writing an extremely narrow range of programming that's almost entirely episodic.
Anime shows: writers from all disciplines writing in all genres for all audiences about almost everything, usually in serial form.
I wonder which of these is more likely to produce quality writing. I wonder which of the two is going to adapt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Passage this year.
>I could easily make the counterpoint that because anime is so hefty to create, they make this variety out of a necessity simply to stay alive in the industry, rather than because variety has been well evidenced to be more than just a correlation to a solid script.
Anime is relatively low risk to produce because of the production committee system, and there is no "they" trying to "stay alive." Most anime are adaptations, and adaptations are usually commissioned by the publisher with the studio acting as a contractor. The variety of anime is not a product of some concerted effort.
>Read the post again bruh, I said economy, not the medium.
What is the "economic formula" then and how is it "garbage"?
>>82818912
Dr.Mcninja TAS when?
>>82814041
What a wonderful time today.
>>82820488
How much did Cowboy BeepBoop cost per episode?
Seems pretty quality to me.
>>82820488
>I wonder which of these is more likely to produce quality writing
You really don't understand what subject you're talking here do you.
It doesn't matter. I'm spelling this out for the last time, because you can't seem to get how to move past the big point of division here: writing quality isn't dependent on format and especially not on concept, it's dependent on execution. For the third time, you have stressed variety, not quality.
If you really wanted to cherrypick then I could easily say that Disney has produced many cartoons, and that Disney having the high reputation for quality they do, would be much likelier to hire people with better backgrounds in writing accomplishments than your average anime company. Keep in mind this is just a supposition/example, but still focuses significantly more on the reward for merit rather than hire for need.
If this was a variety argument you wouldn't have any logical opposition from post one, but you took up quality. So stick to it or just drop the argument.
>What is the "economic formula" then and how is it "garbage"?
This is something I'd have to detail in another few posts but generally it boils down to its economy running an unstable amount more on merchandise than something more viable such as revenue, which causes vicious cycles that hurt people both people working for and supporting anime more than should be acceptable.
And before you make the same mistake everyone else I tell this to seems to make, I'm saying it's garbage because it's unhealthy, not because it's unworkable.
>>82820630
I have no idea, but apparently quality and budget don't correlate much if at all. The animation director of One Punch Man said the show was made with an average budget. Having talented and motivated production staff is far more important, and having too much staff probably reduces quality because more things have to be delegated and managed and checked. So it's not like you can just go to the animator store and buy more animators and therefore more quality. One thing that does help is giving the staff more time before the show starts airing, but there's no doubt a lot of factors influencing that.
>>82820739
>writing quality isn't dependent on format and especially not on concept, it's dependent on execution.
Not the guy you were replying to, but you are flat out wrong. If you are a writer and you are restricted o write only what is deemed appropriate for a very young audience, chances are, you won't create a story as good as a writer of equal skill level who doesn't have the same restrictions as you do.
Western cartoons happen to be restricted in ways that japanese animation isn't, hence anime can explore and experiment with genres, topics, themes etc that western cartoons will never touch.
>>82819005
>implying anime 'humor' isn't a warcrime
>implying half the 'genres' aren't just bad porn
>trying to pass off target demographics as an actual genre
Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.
>>82820854
>implying half the 'genres' aren't just bad porn
Yeah but the other half is still far more variety than what western cartoons have to offer.
i like One Piece and Berserk but those are like western shit drawn by japanese men.
>>82820739
It is absolutely the case that anime is far more likely to feature quality writing because of the reasons I just explained to you. Anime draws from manga, novels, light novels, games and visual novels, all of them their own industries and markets with their own internal competition. There are stories in every genre about almost everything for every demographic.
American shows can't even directly compete in most areas because they have nothing with which to compete with, because they are almost nothing but children's cartoons and adult sitcoms.
>If you really wanted to cherrypick then I could easily say that Disney has produced many cartoons, and that Disney having the high reputation for quality they do, would be much likelier to hire people with better backgrounds in writing accomplishments than your average anime company.
We have a concrete understanding of what Disney has actually produced, and it does not stack up against anime.
>This is something I'd have to detail in another few posts but generally it boils down to its economy running an unstable amount more on merchandise than something more viable such as revenue, which causes vicious cycles that hurt people both people working for and supporting anime more than should be acceptable.
The production committee system distributes the financial risk of producing an anime among several companies. Having many different sources of income (discs, rentals, streaming, licensing, source material, music CDs, merchandise, special events, sponsorship deals and collaborations with businesses) is safer than relying on a single source. Producing 12-26 episodes at a time is a relatively small investment.
Seems like a sound system to me.
>>82817371
I live in Texas, pretty close to where Arlen is supposed to be located. I get a lot of the background humor and it's funny to me.
>>82820041
>>82820130
I would imagine a big chunk of family guy's budget goes to music production as well. They really go all out in terms of music on that show.
>>82820854
>implying anime 'humor' isn't a warcrime
Humor is very subjective.
>implying half the 'genres' aren't just bad porn
Anime porn has almost nothing to do with the rest of the anime industry. It's inconsequential and released straight to video. People rarely even talk about it outside of /h/.
>trying to pass off target demographics as an actual genre
Where did I try to do that?
>>82821046
>They really go all out in terms of music on that show.
Going all out on music makes me think of something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjfuXgfDxxU
Not this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCah4MngQcA
>>82820854
Well i do agree with that japanese humour is pretty bad but there is some good shit there too.
>>82820918
>Yeah but the other half is still far more variety than what western cartoons have to offer.
Yes, because 'game based' is obviously a genre of the highest artistic integrity, and in no a way a glorified toy commercial that would make He Man wince. 'Horror' totally works as a genre outside live action and print. And its not like the West has action, sci fi and artsy independent stuff, nor is there any overlap between genres.
>>82821060
>Humor is very subjective.
>can't even feign defending this abomination
>Anime porn has almost nothing to do with the rest of the anime industry.
You mean the other half of the industry?
>Where did I try to do that?
>>82819156
>>82814041
I like both because I'm a colossal faggot who needs to die.
>>82821183
Point is it isn't leagues better than the West like Animefag likes to imply, and most of the time isn't close to it.
>>82821020
Not the guy. But I can break down what he's saying in layman's: Quantity does not equal quality. Just because anime has a ton of genres does not mean that anime as a whole is inherently better.
Just a example, but if I was making two fruit salads. One with 5 ingredients, and another with 30, and those 30 ingredients were all rotting, the bigger fruit salad wouldn't be inherently better just because it had more variety.
I'm not saying that anime is rotten. But variety does NOT mean that its better.
>>82820818
>chances are, you won't create a story as good as a writer of equal skill level who doesn't have the same restrictions as you do.
This works both ways.
Let's take the supposition that the two writer of extremely equal skill went on to help a kid's cartoon, as opposed to the other who went to go help with a drama. You'd expect the drama to be more exploring and touching, but just because it can accomplish that doesn't guarantee the cartoon will be of a lesser written piece.
If the defining evidence we were using was the average cartoon show against the average anime, variety would definitely be the deciding factor. But the scope of both cartoons and anime expands well past both of those to the point of it being too unwell a comparison. If I was sticking strictly to that though then yeah I'd have no way of disagreeing.
>>82821020
>Anime draws from manga, novels, light novels, games and visual novels, all of them their own industries and markets with their own internal competition.
This detail is better, but still not definitive.
Those sources draw from all sorts of requirements with extremely fluctuating results. A game is incomparably likelier to be focused on its gameplay rather than its written aspects. And only so many visual novels manage to get adaptations compared to how many are actually made, despite writing being its biggest component . It'd make a lot more sense if not juxtaposed just now with games being part of the same group. Which goes back to you-know-what-point about the focus of the conversation being about this and not that.
If the internal competition meant so much for the writing department, I doubt Attack on Titan and Naruto would got nearly as far as they would've.
You get where I'm going with this. The internal competition helps, but it is not a defining detail, which is what your part of the argument needs.
>Seems like a sound system to me.
So long as that wasn't meant to put words in my mouth.
>>82821147
That video didn't show any of the new material that they bring in small orchestras to play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpS4ebEtLUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KreUinWX6xM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFgPicwIbf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa22MBGkl9o
You have to admit that nowadays, family guy has some pretty elaborate original scores.
>>82821225
In Japan, "game" also encompasses visual novels which are focused purely on storytelling. Steins;Gate and Kanon for example are based on visual novels.
I don't know what toy commercials have to do with video games.
>And its not like the West has action, sci fi and artsy independent stuff, nor is there any overlap between genres.
Western animation has only a fraction of what anime offers.
>can't even feign defending this abomination
Well what do you expect me to say? Humor just is very subjective.
>You mean the other half of the industry?
I don't know what the size of the porn side is, but it can't be much. The videos are half an hour long and have subpar production quality. You could be completely ignorant of anime porn and not miss anything because it's so inconsequential (just like real porn). I don't know why you're even bringing it up when it's so irrelevant. There's 30-50 half hour long TV shows released every three months and you're talking about porn videos.
>Where did I try to do that?
>>>82819156
That's not my post, and it doesn't even say that demographics are genres.
>>82818912
Homestuck can probably get something.
Anime and Japan is fucking garbage. So, Cartoons win by default.
>>82821478
Japan has never produced anything as disgraceful as new PPG or Problem Solverz
And they also produced this tacticool piece of animation, which is the best animated anything I've seen in my entire life, and this was 80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l3yEGblTj8
>>82819005
>anime
>better character design
Bait
Will western cartoons ever be as good as anime?
>>82821506
>Japan has never produced anything as disgraceful as new PPG or Problem Solverz
Problem Solverz is another disposable shit show that was made for a shit block. Who cares? Also, why are weebs so enormed by detailed pictures with barely any real animation? The pictures look pretty, but the animation is okay. Take an animation class and you'll see that anime really isn't that good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WEFIp6GYT0
Japanese are to animation what Chinese are to manufacturing.
>>82821534
Most likely the op made this thread for bait. Anime is okay, overrated as shit though.
>>82821603
That guy in the video is a fag literally and figuratively. Anyway, stop falling for such obvious bait.
>>82821288
Putting out 30-50 stories a season from many different people working in different industries and media in all genres for all audiences about almost anything means that there's a lot of scope for terrible, bad, average, good and excellent stories.
American shows largely operate only in two modes: episodic children's cartoons and episodic adult sitcoms. These shows are kept running for as long as possible.
>>82821335
You're dancing around, obfuscating and complicating things so much that I can't even figure out what you're trying to argue anymore. You're just trying to muddy the waters as much as possible as a means of doing damage control.
>>82821420
These are all "songs." They're figuratively and somewhat literally a joke compared to actual soundtrack music.
>>82821478
But that's objectively wrong.
>>82821534
Anime character designs are much more detailed.
>>82821653
>Anime character designs are much more detailed.
Oh shit, haven't laughed that hard in years. Hahaha
>>82821603
>Also, why are weebs so enormed by detailed pictures with barely any real animation? The pictures look pretty, but the animation is okay. Take an animation class and you'll see that anime really isn't that good.
Animation quality is not synonymous with framerate. Having a lot of frames doesn't mean you have good animation.
Anime has the best animation in the world, and it's easy to see why once you stop being brainwashed by Disney.
>>82821603
>real animation
That ridiculous detail in each frame in accounted movement is still animation you numbnut. There's no such thing as "real" animation.
Does your understanding and acceptance of it revolve almost biblically around smears and expression or something? Nigga you are stupid.
>>82821428
>In Japan, "game" also encompasses visual novels which are focused purely on storytelling.
So you're giving Japan gets points for adapting stories from other mediums. Wow, the West doesn't do that at all.
>Western animation has only a fraction of what anime offers.
There's less Western stuff in general because it's not turned out in sweatshops by interns, it touches those genres just as much as anime and is less often complete garbage.
>Well what do you expect me to say?
That you're sorry for saying anything as stupid as anime being better at everything when the 'humor' violates the Genova Convention.
>I don't know what the size of the porn side is, but it can't be much.
>taking the use of the word porn literally
>not seeing it as a jab at Yaoi and harem shit
Perhaps I've been unclear. Making bad fetish shows does not making anime better or more varied, it means its more willing to make dogshit.
>it doesn't even say that demographics are genres
And yet it tries to pass them off as anime being more varied because someone bothered to label something everyone knows without thinking about it, and the foreign language makes it sound more sophisticated. Kind of like everything you've been saying to suggest anime is more 'varied'.
>>82821709
>Detailed stills is animation
Animufags are so deluded, I swear. How can something that isn't even moving be animation? Are you retarded?
>>82821694
>Animation quality is not synonymous with framerate
It's synonymous with movement. Not detailed stills.
>>82820041
Salaries in anime are pretty low. Entry level positions are especially ridiculous.
>>82821762
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/japans-animation-industry-isnt-just-tough-its-illegally-harsh-110074.html
>“Let’s just be clear: It’s not a ‘tough’ industry… It’s an ‘illegally harsh’ industry. They don’t pay you even remotely minimum wage, they overwork you to the point where people are vomiting at work and having to go to the hospital for medicine. They demand that you come in whenever they realize a deadline isn’t going to be met. That probably means about a month and a half of nonstop work without a single day off. Then you will be allowed to go back to your regular six-day workweeks of 10-hour days. No one talks, or gets lunch together or anything. They just sit and work in complete silence and seem uninterested in changing this.”
>>82821653
>You're dancing around, obfuscating and complicating things so much that I can't even figure out what you're trying to argue anymore. You're just trying to muddy the waters as much as possible as a means of doing damage control.
I'm saying your argument still boils down to it being closer to variety than saying anything definitive about assuring writers write good.
For crying out loud, if it really bothered you that much you can still easily get the general idea from the last two sentences. Don't throw your faults on me.
>>82821736
>Detailed stills is animation
Oh so you didn't even watch the video
Nice to know your attention span isn't even 4 minutes
Go back to /a/
>>82821653
>Putting out 30-50 stories a season from many different people working in different industries and media in all genres for all audiences about almost anything means that there's a lot of scope for terrible, bad, average, good and excellent stories.
That literally says nothing. That doesn't prove that quantity = quality. In fact you're stating that anime has a much larger likelyhood of putting out sub par stories.
>These are all "songs." They're figuratively and somewhat literally a joke compared to actual soundtrack music.
If you think that the humorous lyrics in the songs takes away from the musicality of them, then you have a really poor understanding of music theory, have probably never played an instrument, and are really narrow-minded musically speaking.
>>82821689
Ok.
>>82821807
Is that really supposed to help the anime side?
I love how it's only the communistic autistic teens from America which keep shoving "Muh anime is superior... I actually need to hide my insecurity issues or I'll commit seppuku."
While most of asian Japan wishes and constantly begs for anime to be banned because it makes them look autistic and retarded.
Japan strives for white-race quality and wishes they were more like America and France animation compared to their autistic yellow skins which can't animate believable motion and endearing lovable non-autistic characters and stories.
>>82821842
>While most of asian Japan wishes and constantly begs for anime to be banned because it makes them look autistic and retarded.
Source: Someone who probably read that on a message board once
>>82821798
I did, the animation was okay. The detailed images didn't improve the animation. Why don't you post a sakuga mad like most retarded animu tards filled with nitpicked excerpts of actual good animation. You guys are a joke.
>>82821807
The detail in the beast's character design is more than the character designs of all the anime examples.
All the ones in that example pretty much have the same head shape (give or take a few curves) with different hairstyles.
>>82821653
>You're dancing around, obfuscating and complicating things so much that I can't even figure out what you're trying to argue anymore. >You're just trying to muddy the waters as much as possible as a means of doing damage control.
AhahaHAHAhahahah oh wow... the pot calling the kettle black, but on this level?! and so blatantly? This is true autism. I'd call you pathetic if you weren't such an ego-centric asshole in denial. Instead I'll just call you cancer.
No wonder /a/ + /b/ have created the most cancerous horse fanbase known to mankind.
>>82821842
What? France is filled with Weeaboo cucks who worship that garbage.
>expects obvious bait thread to die with one or two replies
>Still on page one nine hours later
Hiroshimoot will never surpass the original until this board gets deleted or something
>>82821886
>I did, the animation was okay.
It accounted largely for natural life movement, perspective, shapes, and so on. There's less character movement/choreography than say, Looney Toons, but that doesn't mean it isn't moving largely enough to be considered animation anyway you retard.
>>82821717
>So you're giving Japan gets points for adapting stories from other mediums. Wow, the West doesn't do that at all.
Anime does it far, far more.
>There's less Western stuff in general because it's not turned out in sweatshops by interns
American shows are almost all animated in Korea, and sometimes other Asian countries. Anime production is still mostly done in Japan. Even in-betweening is still done in Japan.
"Interns" don't animate anime. The anime version of an intern is an in-between animator, and they just fill in what the key animators have made. Once they get good enough they can take on key animation responsibilities.
>it touches those genres just as much as anime and is less often complete garbage.
No, Western animation doesn't encompass all the same genres. Nor does it encompass them to the same degree and in the same way. We could say that Futurama for example is loosely speaking scifi, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing as Planetes.
>That you're sorry for saying anything as stupid as anime being better at everything when the 'humor' violates the Genova Convention.
Again, humor is very subjective.
>Perhaps I've been unclear. Making bad fetish shows does not making anime better or more varied, it means its more willing to make dogshit.
Those shows also contribute to making anime more varied. Whether or not you personally like them is irrelevant. You're also vastly overestimating how much of those shows get made. Out of all the shows I'm watching this season (23 or so), only two have "fanservice" to speak of.
>And yet it tries to pass them off as anime being more varied
But they do make anime more varied.
> Kind of like everything you've been saying to suggest anime is more 'varied'.
It absolutely is more varied. That's just a fact.
>>82821914
France is actually competent at emulating that weeaboo garbage. Hence Wakfu and Oban Star Racers.
If anything Japan stole from France.
Do they even teach The 12 Principles of Animation in the japanese animation industry?
>>82821943
>but that doesn't mean it isn't moving largely enough to be considered animation anyway you retard.
No shit, it's moving? What's your point? I said it's not impressive, not that there's 0 motion. What kind of retarded retort is that?
>>82814041
Cartoons:
Cool character and variety of stories and characters of all kinds.
Weeb-cartoons:
Limited types of characters for fap-content purpose aimed at retards.
Here. I always hated anime with all my heart and i will continue to hate it.
>>82821950
>Anime production is still mostly done in Japan. Even in-betweening is still done in Japan.
No, it's not lol. WTF?
http://variety.com/2012/digital/news/japanese-companies-outsourcing-anime-1118049388/
*Anime film>Great cartoons = Great TV Anime> Average TV anime> Average cartoon
*Doesn't apply to all films, mainly the anime films that don't intend to sell merch so they focus on a good story based around real world issues. See "Coloful".
We can keep arguing which is better but you guys just have to face the facts. If it isn't a movie, cartoons are horrible shits. While in anime seasonal anime and movie animation can both have a decent chance to be very good. You can't just compare. I mean there are actually people that like Wonder Over Yonder or shows in the same category.
>>82821736
>It's synonymous with movement. Not detailed stills.
It's a myth that anime consists of nothing but stills. If this is your level of knowledge about anim, maybe you shouldn't be trying to debate it.
Or do you perhaps think this is nothing but still images:
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/17747/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/22678
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/11966/
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/10753/
>>82822020
>Sakuga
Fucking called it. You fags are so predictable.
>>82821807
what are you implying?
this picture just shows some weeb characters looking the same compared to western wariety of shapes and characters.
>muh d-detailed :(
who cares about the amount of details on lolis tits if the character is shitty and generic waifubait and it's anime?
Get out.
>>82821971
yeah and they actually use them way more often than western animation.
>>82821762
>Work part time in a website
>Make more money than an animator per year on that thing alone
Holy shit.
>>82822047
>yeah and they actually use them way more often than western animation.
I remember when I was 14 too.
>>82822013
Bet you I can name just as many good cartoons as you can animes.
Tell me what you define as good, then rattle off a few.
>>82822047
Can you stop lying for 1 puny minute you stubborn evil autistic shit? God you're scum.
>>82821979
From the first post
>Detailed stills is animation
You're switching back and forth, and decided to make that reply immediately after I put that scene as the subject.
Instead of asking what kind of responses people give you maybe you should ask yourself why you're giving the stupid questions asking for one.
Even ignoring that though you're still not giving any good reason whatsoever as to why it's simply "okay" so good job not even being able to do that much.
>>82822009
>*Anime film>Great cartoons = Great TV Anime> Average TV anime> Average cartoon
Hmm, let's see:
Cartoons of all types>>>>Dog Shit>>>Cancer>> Anime.
Seems about right.
>>82822066
Try to name a few and let it be from the year 2015. It must at least have animation in any episode that is comparable to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJHFulXbq40
>>82821781
It's the variety that gives rise to good writing.
>>82821803
Do you expect me to individually review every single anime ever made or every writer who has ever contributed to anime? Or what?
>If you think that the humorous lyrics in the songs takes away from the musicality of them, then you have a really poor understanding of music theory, have probably never played an instrument, and are really narrow-minded musically speaking.
If you think those "songs" are comparable to actual, serious soundtrack music then you have a really poor understanding of music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_z8BtnROIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TawN_4icG_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YVbd-lS2X4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmeNa_BiZb4
>>82821827
Yes. Obviously.
>>82821842
I'm not a communist or a teenager or American, nor do I have any insecurities regarding this topic.
>While most of asian Japan wishes and constantly begs for anime to be banned because it makes them look autistic and retarded.
The rest of Asia has nothing to do with anime.
>Japan strives for white-race quality and wishes they were more like America and France animation compared to their autistic yellow skins which can't animate believable motion and endearing lovable non-autistic characters and stories.
Do you have a diagnosed mental illness?
>>82822085
>You're switching back and forth,
Shut da fug up. Animu is shit, The End.
>>82819099
See
>>82819173
King of the hill was relatively Slice of Life, about a down-to-earth, slightly tightassed Texan guy and his family.
It was an "adult" cartoon. Not in that it ever got particularly deep, but it wasn't all wacky and colorful and whatever. It was a cartoon grown men and women who would otherwise think cartoons are for kids were fine with sitting down and watching after dinner, and that's what kept it alive for 13 seasons.
>ITT: Whole thread arguing with a die hard weeaboo
You should've all stopped arguing with him when he essentially made the same response several times and left off on one argument at "durr i dun get what ur saying even though u said it this whole discussion"
>>82822102
>Do you have a diagnosed mental illness?
Do you?
>>82822102
>Tokyo Ghoul
Who's falling for this bait?
Now I know where bronies get their hypocrism and stupidity from.
>>82820141
Man, I miss old anime backgrounds. They used to be so pretty and fit so nicely with the characters. Today almost everything has this overly sleek photoshopped look to it. Don't know exactly how to explain it, like it's competently made but trying hard not to look like a drawing, with lots of stretched textures, copy pasted elements, filters, over saturated colors and such, and the result is really ugly. Makes even shows with a huge budget look bad.
>>82822013
>anime seasonal anime
I don't get how someone can watch the average (or even praised) seasonal anime for any reason other than to laugh at it. Having the same 2kewl4u characters and treating exaggerated reactions as the height of comedy is ridiculous. I'm not going to pretend that western animation isn't producing bad material as well but it's not like the average anime is worth watching
>>82822097
More nitpicked Key Animation/moneyshots. Please stop lying, we all know the rest of the show isn't animated like this minus a few important scenes.
>>82822139
You don't to insult /co/ anon. They are doing a pretty good job of doing that themselves.
>>82822102
>It's the variety that gives rise to good writing
And I detailed in several ways in my post why the hell that simply isn't true and in some cases completely irrelevant.
Come on, dude.
>>82822151
Who said the whole anime is animated like that? I even said that you only need just one moment in any episode in 2015 that's comparable to that.
>>82822175
Anime is an autism magnet. Don't waste your breath.
>>82822096
Oooh someone is mad. Comics are bad. There's no canon, it's all just fanfictions that get movies and Shows. It's Dragon Ball GT the medium.
>>82821807
>its an every anime character look like the same episode
>again
>>82822059
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation
-Squash and Stretch
-Anticipation
-Staging
-Straight Ahead Action and Pose to Pose
-Follow Through and Overlapping Action
-Slow In and Slow Out
-Arc
-Secondary Action
-Timing
-Exaggeration
-Solid drawing
-Appeal
see? all of those are commonly used in anime, while most western stuff avoids it, mostly because of vectored animation and budget don't work well with it.
Also most people in this threads are mixing their rules completely, silhouettes were never an animation thing for instance.
>>82822149
Just like the average cartoon but you guys still watch it. Hell, you guys even praise it while /a/ generally just shit on every seasonal anime they can find.
>>82822195I like anime, cartoons, and the vidya. All three are avid hobbies for me. What does this make me.
>>82821898
Do you even know what "detail" means?
>>82821910
>AhahaHAHAhahahah oh wow... the pot calling the kettle black, but on this level?! and so blatantly?
How am I doing that?
>This is true autism.
How am I autistic?
>I'd call you pathetic if you weren't such an ego-centric asshole in denial.
How am I an egocentric asshole in denial? What am I in denial of?
>No wonder /a/ + /b/ have created the most cancerous horse fanbase known to mankind.
What do bronies have to do with this?
>>82821971
I doubt those have been relevant since the 50s or 60s or so. Of course they teach some of the same things, but anime is very far removed from how Disney preferred to animate things.
>>82821993
>Cool character and variety of stories and characters of all kinds.
This describes anime, not American shows.
>Weeb-cartoons:
Anime by definition cannot be weeb.
>Limited types of characters for fap-content purpose aimed at retards.
This is completely made up.
>>82822006
>No, it's not lol.
Yes it is. Look at the credits on ANN.
>http://variety.com/2012/digital/news/japanese-companies-outsourcing-anime-1118049388/
I never said the anime industry does NO outsourcing.
Ninja Hattori is an outlier and not even remotely representative of how things normally work.
Jonathan Clements' claim is based on someone in Japan claiming, without any evidence, that 1/3 of all the animation production is done in China. Which doesn't make any sense at all.
>>82821267
I do agree that it isnt better than west.
>>82822139
>Now I know where bronies get their hypocrism and stupidity from.
>>82822189
So, in your world. 2 minutes out 24 minute animated work being super well animated and the rest of the show looking flat. Is a good production policy and qualify's as good animation? Even when it's inconsistent as hell and doesn't match with the rest of the show?
>>82822216
Even a bigger autist.
>>82822236
I consider this a victory
>>82822201
I don't read MAhvel DeeCee. So, that provocation won't work on me.
>>82822097
Amazing world of Gumball.
Futurama.
Pretty much every superhero drama.
Over the garden wall.
Manga > Anime
>>82822195
>Anime is an autism magnet. Don't waste your breath.
Agree. I personally never met an anime fan who wasnt an autist. If you deal with somebody with kawai-desu-ne avatar...just avoid him.
>>82822205
Listing the principles =/= to proving if it was used. Why are you so dumb?
>>82821950
>Anime does it far, far more.
Is that why most Disney films are based on fairy tales and why capeshit is so big? Or are you saying the East is retarded and has a harder time coming up with original ideas?
>American shows are almost all animated in Korea
With the designs, voice acting, directing and writing done in America, and movies being almost entirely done in-house.
>The anime version of an intern is an in-between animator, and they just fill in what the key animators have made.
Who tend to be freelancers.
>No, Western animation doesn't encompass all the same genres.
Oh no, what will the West do without atrocious harem shit?
>Nor does it encompass them to the same degree
Yes, they do. Your base argument comes down to 'anime puts out more shit and is more autistic about labelling them, and is therefore better', when that says zero about the quality of the work.
>We could say that Futurama for example is loosely speaking scifi
Are you honestly implying it isn't?
>but that doesn't mean it's the same thing as Planetes.
Nor does it change the fact they are both sci fi. Also, kudos to the animation team for coming up with an original concept and not ripping of a manga.
>Again, humor is very subjective.
>still perpetrating this farce
Lose with some grace, why don't you.
NOTE: Fascinating how you're all too happy to declare anime having better animation, designs, sound, writing, etc, but whenever humor is brought up 'it's all opinion man'.
>Those shows also contribute to making anime more varied.
Having a lot of trash just means you have a lot of trash. If they positively contribute with good stories or animation they're cancer, not a positive.
>Whether or not you personally like them is irrelevant.
What's relevant is the fact they're trash and don't elevate the genre.
>You're also vastly overestimating how much of those shows get made.
So most of this variety is just a couple bad niche shows, kind of like the West?
>anime is more varied
Prove it
>>82822218
>Yes it is. Look at the credits on ANN.
You mean the ones filled with Corean names? Like Dr. Movie?
>>82822231
You never actually seen OPM have you? OPM itself is like a whole experimental shit. But it generally have a huge production value. Which shows that they can do it if they actually care. The rest of the show is not flat.
And again I don't care either way. Just show a cartoon that can manage that or even just well animated as OPM or just better.
>>82822250
Oh. Then I hope you're referring to SU or OtGW when you say toons are better. Because if you aren't then you're not just objectively wrong, you're factually autistic.
>>82822205
>>82822218
Can we get him banned? for shitposting and being so stubbornly in denial and dismissive?
I don't think I've ever heard an /a/utist ever say in his life "I'm sorry, I'm an idiot. I humbly apologize. Sorry for wasting your time with my bullshit."
>>82822009
The crossdressing cat is right
>>82822218
>I never said the anime industry does NO outsourcing.
You said the inbetweening is exclusively done in Japan.
>>82822306
>I hope you're referring to SU
>Likes SU
>Animu Reaction image
And, you call someone else an autist?
>>82822306
>SU
>OTGW
>Either having more than one canon or primarily even being a comic
If he's factually autistic this makes you factually cancer that needs to be executed
>>82822253
This is a lie. I've watched every episode of Gumball and none of it is as well animated.
Futurama I don't know because I don't watch it.
There's no such thing as a superhero drama cartoon or you mean like Spiderman and avengers shit or even the lego shit which you are still wrong.
Over the garden wall is an atmospheric show but isn't that great in the animation department.
>>82822292
>The rest of the show is not flat.
Please stop lying.
>>82822009
>Great cartoons = Great TV Anime
No, I don't think Tom & Jerry is quite equivalent to, say, Serial Experiments Lain, Madoka, Tatami Galaxy, Aoi Hana, Steins;Gate or Shouwa Genroku or whatever.
>>82822032
Uh... what?
>>82822038
>weeb characters
By definition they cannot be.
>looking the same
They don't, though.
>who cares about the amount of details on lolis tits if the character is shitty and generic waifubait and it's anime?
"Generic" is a meaningless word and thus not valid criticism, and waifubait does not exist. There also are no lolis in those pictures, nor is there any particular emphasis on breasts.
And I was talking about detail so that's what I was comparing.
>>82822116
I'm not a weeaboo.
>left off on one argument at "durr i dun get what ur saying even though u said it this whole discussion"
Like I said, he was muddying the waters to the point where I couldn't even follow what he was saying anymore.
>>82822129
>I didn't like Tokyo Ghoul, therefore the soundtrack can't be good!
Great logic.
>>82822143
The quality of background art in modern TV anime is extremely high, much higher than it ever has been in the past.
>>82822149
There is no "average anime," and if you people want "deep" and "serious" shows then why don't you ever watch shows like Joker Game and Shouwa Genroku?
>>82822175
But it is true.
>>82822204
They don't all look the same.
WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP HAVING EAST VS WEST THREADS?
ARE YOU THAT INSECURE?
YEAH IT SUCKS THAT ANIMATION ISN'T TAKEN AS SERIOUSLY HERE AS IT IS IN JAPAN, BUT ARUGING ABOUT IT ON HERE AD-INFINITUM IS BORING AND DOES NOTHING FOR NO ONE.
>>82822280
"If they don't positively contribute with good stories or animation they're cancer, not a positive."
>>82821478
Japan still makes better porn than we do
>>82822346
I love Futurama but can confirm there is nothing fantastic about its animation at all.
It's industry standard if anything.
>>82821778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFZGdOWlvN4
>>82822218
>AhahaHAHAhahahah oh wow... the pot calling the kettle black, but on this level?! and so blatantly?
> -How am I doing that?
>This is true autism.
> -How am I autistic?
>I'd call you pathetic if you weren't such an ego-centric asshole in denial.
> -How am I an egocentric asshole in denial? What am I in denial of?
LOOK AT THIS BULLSHIT, /co/. Weeaboos are a stubborn sons of a bitches, aren't they? He won't even say a little "sorry" out of common courtesy and decency.
>>82822357
There is the sakuga thing that you hate in every episode. And the normal interactions are generally animated well for an anime at least. Not what I call flat. Let me help.
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post?page=1&tags=one-punch_man
>>82822336
>>82822343
>Doesn't like SU
Into the trash
>>82822360
Who ever said Tom and Jerry was great? It's good, fun to watch, but there was never anything in Tom and Jerry that made me say "this is a masterpiece".
>>82822367
Hypocritical scum of the earth.
/a/utists are SCUM.
>>82822387
Oh yes, I love hearing women shriek like they're a dog being beaten by a stick. So sexy.
Besides Ghost Stories and Trigun, which dubs are much better than the subs?
>>82822406
This post makes me want to side with the animu side. SU is fucking trash. Jesus Christ.
>>82822280
Anime adapts from manga, light novels, visual novels, general games, and novels, and it adapts a lot. Most shows in any given season are adaptations.
>Or are you saying the East is retarded and has a harder time coming up with original ideas?
How is an idea not original just because it was dreamed up by a manga author rather than a freelance writer?
>With the designs, voice acting, directing and writing done in America, and movies being almost entirely done in-house.
The point is that you can't complain about "sweatshops" and "interns" when Americans don't even do the animation production themselves and outsource it to cheaper countries.
>Who tend to be freelancers.
Some are.
>Oh no, what will the West do without atrocious harem shit?
I wasn't talking about just genres that are specific to anime.
>Yes, they do.
Not even remotely true. You don't seem to have any idea how much anime there is and how many different genres, topics, themes and styles they cover and how badly American/Western animation pales in comparison. Even a niche topic like airsoft has had at least three anime made about it.
>Are you honestly implying it isn't?
I haven't watched it much but it seems like a comedy with superficial scifi trappings.
>Nor does it change the fact they are both sci fi.
But this doesn't mean anything. Futurama is a sitcom type of show, Planetes is a dramatic hard science fiction show. They're totally different things despite nominally being both "scifi."
>still perpetrating this farce
How is it a farce?
>NOTE: Fascinating how you're all too happy to declare anime having better animation, designs, sound, writing, etc, but whenever humor is brought up 'it's all opinion man'.
Humor simply happens to be very subjective.
>Having a lot of trash just means you have a lot of trash.
Anime is a free-for-all that includes just about everything and the kitchen sink, just like cinema. Some of it is bad, some of it isn't.
>>82822473I'm ON the animu side.
>>82822449
Who cares?
>>82822449
Keit-Ai
Ghost Slide
>>82822102
>If you think those "songs" are comparable to actual, serious soundtrack music then you have a really poor understanding of music.
First off. I had to go find the songs you linked because they're not available in my country.
Second: they aren't comparable. But not because one is better than the other.
They're not comparable because they're completely different styles of music.
The pieces you linked are Soundtracks.
The pieces I linked are Big Band, Show tune, and Swing.
Each is elaborate in it's own merit. But for you to put Family Guy's music down simply because it's comical is really stupid.
That's like saying Broadway musicals aren't good music, or musically adequate just because they convey different messages.
And if you do think that, then I still doubt your musical understanding.
Maybe you don't understand that a song doesn't have to be a drawn out orchestral piece
with intense strings to be sophisticated musically.
The East has Noa Izumi.
Therefore the East is superior. End of story.
>>82818912
That show Making Fiends that was on Nicktoons for 2 seconds started as a webcomic
>>82822360
>Like I said, he was muddying the waters to the point where I couldn't even follow what he was saying anymore.
If you can't make out the general gist of what I was saying when any functional human being should be able to decipher:
>Those sources draw from all sorts of requirements with extremely fluctuating results.
and
>The internal competition helps, but it is not a defining detail, which is what your part of the argument needs.
after numerous examples proving both, then I hate to break the news, but that's your retarded error, and nobody else's.
>But it is true
And I can easily say "no it's false" and reset the argument back to a neutral point, or better yet, to the last point of contention that was made with actual detail. Which just so happened to be the exact post that explained why your logic of "variety breeds quality" does not hold.
It's really clear you stopped wanting to try a while ago. At least be polite and forward about it next time so you don't have to waste either of your nor your conversation partner's time.
>>82822487
Can
You
Stop
Typing
Like
This
Are you autistic or just an idiot?
>>82817773
Underrated post right here.
>>82822346
Gumball gets credit for the sheer amount of art styles the show uses, and blending them together cohesively.
![(G_P) Patlabor TV 22(x264 1080p)(A8757585).mkv_snapshot_20.09_[2016.05.16_05.20.26].png](https://i.imgur.com/1nhjITY.jpg "(G_P) Patlabor TV 22(x264 1080p)(A8757585).mkv_snapshot_20.09_[2016.05.16_05.20.26].png")
>>82822525
Also Kanuka, don't forget Kanuka.
>>82822406
>Doesn't like SU
Second post you quoted, I never said that
Idiot
>>82822280
>Is that why most Disney films are based on fairy tales and why capeshit is so big? Or are you saying the East is retarded and has a harder time coming up with original ideas?
Japan does 1:1 adaptations. Capeshit isn't 1:1 they have alot more artistic license and they don't for example create massive filler arcs because they've caught up to the source material. In America, if we did a 1:1 we wouldn't have fillers because we'd take seasonal breaks. Nips are too competitive with time slots so you can't even take a breather to ensure quality. In short: Anime adaptations suck.
>>82822280
>What's relevant is the fact they're trash and don't elevate the genre.
Some of them are trash, some of them aren't. And anime isn't a genre.
>Prove it
Anime encompasses probably every genre there is and includes some genres that don't exist or don't really exist in Western media. Anime covers a huge variety of topics, themes and styles and caters to all audiences, even some very specific ones like fujoshi. Anime also outputs a huge amount of shows and movies.
We can't say the same about Western animation. Therefore anime is more varied.
>>82822281
No.
>>82822307
How have I shitposted? How am I in denial or dismissive? Also that first post isn't even mine.
>>82822323
No, I didn't.
>>82822395
So you have no answer to any of those questions. Ok.
>>82822533
>If you can't make out the general gist of what blah blah
No, I still have no idea what you're talking about.
>And I can easily say "no it's false"
But you're wrong.
>>82822546
I don't type like that. Did you mean to respond to someone else?
>>82822602
Of course not! How could I forget Kanuka?
>>82822111
So are cartoons
>>82822632
I swear to Trump if this retard denies something one more time I'm going to IP hack him and dox his exact geo-location coordinates. This guy is worse than a politician.
>>82822139
But it was /co/ who created it
>>82822648
>>82822602
Honestly all the characters in Patlabor are great. I don't know how that could be debated.
>This thread
>Again
These threads never fail to prove just how retarded anyone willing to argue about this is. Both sides are horribly fucking autistic.
>>82822625
>filler
>Nips are too competitive with time slots so you can't even take a breather to ensure quality.
You're talking about daytime anime here (and even then not all daytime anime).
>In short: Anime adaptations suck.
Some of them do, some of them don't.
>>82822677
Why do you think I'm not allowed to "deny" things? Do you think everyone should just accept anything you say without question?
>>82822632
>No.
Yes
If you want to do one line rebuttals. Then I'm game too
>>82822632
>No, I didn't.
You:
>Even in-betweening is still done in Japan.
>>82822006
Inbetweening is increasingly done in other countries.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703819904574551834260925714
You can keep saying no and I'll keep posting links.
>>82822691
No, it was the /a/ side of /co/ who created it.
Then /b/, then reddit and many other cancerous places.
>>82822701
Yeah we really should be talking about how Patlabor is better than every cartoon and anime besides Patlabor.
Also how Noa is best girl.
>>82822747
Have you seen Next Generation? I'm still watching the TV anime, but that show has piqued my interest.
>>82822721
>You're talking about daytime anime here (and even then not all daytime anime).
I don't need all, I just need most. What daytime anime is not a 1:1. Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>82822721
>Some of them do, some of them don't.
Name a good one.
>>82822632
One last chance you little shit. Give us an apology for your entire bullshit and maybe I won't dox you.
>>82822662
Anime is worst. :D
>>82822440
/a/ isnt even this bad. They know most of the anime is shit
>>82822747
You mean ALPHONSE best girl right?
>>82822787
not him but it's in my backlog since I'm trying to watch everything Patlabor over the summer
90's cartoons and anime were better.
>>82822825
Anime was never good.
>>82822446
I am talking about H-manga or doujins not 3DPD shit
>>82822525
This.
>>82822726
You said:
>You mean the ones filled with Corean names? Like Dr. Movie?
And I said "no" because I did not mean that. If you look at the credits for anime shows you can see Japanese in-betweeners credited and Japanese companies credited with in-betweening.
>Even in-betweening is still done in Japan.
It is. See above.
>Inbetweening is increasingly done in other countries.
I know in-betweening is done outside Japan. Nobody said it isn't.
That article is clueless alarmism, just like that Suspended Animation documentary that was made around the same time. They in fact sound suspiciously similar to each other.
>>82822790
Infinitely long shounen shows make up a very, very small portion of TV anime. I don't even watch them.
>Name a good one.
Steins;Gate, Haruhi, Tatami Galaxy, Hidamari Sketch.
Most TV anime is adaptations. You are out of your mind if you think there isn't even a single good one.
>>82822801
What am I supposed to apologize for?
>>82822816
Well then I guess that just goes to show that /a/ doesn't know or care anything about anime.
>>82822836
It's been good since at least the 70s.
>>82822844
>3DPD shit
Go back /a/ to please.
>>82822787
No I haven't, like the other guy it's in my backlog.
>>82822632
>No, I still have no idea what you're talking about.
I'll make this easy for you:
The proof you're using for variety breeding quality in anime is that it draws from all sorts of sources.
This STILL doesn't say anything about the writing being good, instead of variable, something you have not been able to do since the beginning of the conversation. Those sources anime borrow from (manga, VNs, vidya, etc.) have significantly different production processes and priorities. Like I said for one example, games are incomparably more likely to be focused on gameplay than writing. Manga has Attack on Titan and Naruto as some of its most popular entries, and if we were following your linear logic of "variety breeding quality" then this sort of event would never have come to light after decades of anime existing.
Saying this process breeds an excellence in writing, despite all the proof saying otherwise to your faulty logic, is admitting to a delusional standpoint. There is no objective, undeniable, evidence pinpointing what you're saying. Merely correlations at best.
It's impossible to make this any more significantly well put. If you still don't get what I'm saying then put a loaded magnum to your tongue and pull the trigger.
>>82822869
>Steins;Gate, Haruhi
That's not daytime anime. I asked you to list good daytime anime. Steins;Gate is shit, but Haruhi is even worst.
>>82822889
Give it up man, he didn't even get the fruit salad analogy here: >>82821288
>>82822869
>>82822911
>>82822889
>>82822844
>>82822836
oh wow, what are you guys still arguing for?
I thought we already came to a conclusion?Patlabor>>>>>>Whatever you like that isn't Patlabor
>>82822869
>That article is clueless alarmism, just like that Suspended Animation documentary that was made around the same time. They in fact sound suspiciously similar to each other.
YOu're an idiot. Looking at how bad the Japanese economy is and how bad the wages for an animator are. How can you sit here and tell me that all the animators complaining about wages and outsourcing is alarmism?
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2009/03/04/national/future-of-anime-industry-in-doubt/#.VznsXpErKUk
>With an estimated 90 percent of in-betweens being outsourced overseas — a result of the industry trying to squeeze out more content than it can from domestic hands — there are also concerns that opportunities to nurture future generations of quality animators are being lost.
>>82822836
It never was. Sure it had good stuff always but overall it never was good.
>>82822367
>ARE YOU THAT INSECURE?
Where do you think we are?
>>82822869
I'll finally tell you why asian animation is GARBAGE. Come.https://us19.chatzy.com/73329673414467
>>82822701
I would follow Captain Gotou into the depths of hell.
>>82822989
That's my opinion too. It was a poor mans Disney, Tezuka was trying to make the Japanese Disney but Japan is too backwards.
>>82823005
He'd probably leave you there and take an express elevator to heaven.
>>82822966
I like how every time he was even so much as pointed to another direction in the argument in this thread, no matter how insignificant or even logical, he resorted to something else entirely instead of confronting the points directly like a mentally adjusted human being
>>82822487
>Anime adapts from manga, light novels, visual novels, general games, and novels, and it adapts a lot.
So does the West.
>How is an idea not original just because it was dreamed up by a manga author rather than a freelance writer?
Because it wasn't their idea dumbass. Not only does the West adapt stories (which apparently makes an inherent difference to quality), they also come up with more original ideas and change the source more instead of shamelessly copypasting manga stills.
>when Americans don't even do the animation production themselves
For shows, with many of the more important bits (writing, directing) being down in 'Murica.
>Some are.
At a much higher rate than in the West.
>I wasn't talking about just genres that are specific to anime.
Oh, so you were referring to the ones the West does just as well.
>You don't seem to have any idea how much anime there is
You don't seem to understand the difference between quantity and quality and that labelling shit people already understand doesn't make it deep.
>how many different genres
Name one anime covers the West doesn't that isn't trash.
>topics, themes
'Mecha' is not a literary theme. Neither is 'magic girls'. They're just how the show goes about action or moe shit.
>and styles they cover and how badly American/Western animation pales in comparison.
Like the Lego and Peanuts movies' animation? Do tell, how many animes have fun musical numbers and humor that don't make the audience want to commit seppuku?
>Even a niche topic like airsoft has had at least three anime made about it.
So 'representation' makes it not crap? You're starting to sound like an SJW that only cares about pandering instead of actual quality.
>>82822990
A Patlabor discussion thread?
>>82822911
>haruhi is the worst
Nah fuck you
>>82822487
>I haven't watched it much
Then how the fuck would you know what you're talking about? Do you enjoy speaking in ignorance (like you accuse others of)?
>But this doesn't mean anything.
Oh, so just including a genre doesn't mean anything then? Then how the fuck is anime more varied?
>Futurama is a sitcom type of show, Planetes is a dramatic hard science fiction show
>dramatic
>implying actual literary merit
>based off a manga
My sides.
>They're totally different things despite nominally being both "scifi."
Then why does being sci fi (or any other genre) matter if it says nothing about what a given show actually accomplishes?
>How is it a farce?
Because anime 'humor' is fucking garbage.
>Humor simply happens to be very subjective.
So does animation, writing, designs, and soundtrack. Why are you declaring those to be objectively better in anime yet excluding humor? Is it because it's inconvenient for your argument?
>Anime is a free-for-all
So is Western animation. The fact it predominately focuses on children's comdy cartoons and sitcoms is no different than anime's focus on moe shit and bad manga adaptations.
>Some of it is bad
Almost all of it is, including entire genres.
>>82823025
>like a mentally adjusted human being
In otherwords, he's an anime fan? Why is this surprising. Anime has one of the most autistic fandoms ever, thank God it's shrinking in the west. The next big market is China, let the chinks have it. Good riddance.
>>82823043
Get sum taste. Kyoanus is a shitty shitty studio.
>>82823034
I bet you can't even name one cartoon that's better than Patlabor.
>>82822889
>This STILL doesn't say anything about the writing being good
I'm not going to review every anime ever made. I am talking about the big picture and what factors affect the writing quality of anime.
>Those sources anime borrow from (manga, VNs, vidya, etc.) have significantly different production processes and priorities. Like I said for one example, games are incomparably more likely to be focused on gameplay than writing.
Conventional games make up a small minority of anime adaptations. All the other media I listed are focused on storytelling.
>Manga has Attack on Titan and Naruto as some of its most popular entries, and if we were following your linear logic of "variety breeding quality" then this sort of event would never have come to light after decades of anime existing.
Huh? What "event"?
>Saying this process breeds an excellence in writing, despite all the proof saying otherwise
What proof?
>>82822911
Space Brothers, Sailor Moon, Kyoukai no Rinne and Kimagure Orange Road then.
I watch hardly any daytime anime except older stuff. Daytime anime has become much less relevant since the turn of the millennium.
>Steins;Gate is shit, but Haruhi is even worst.
Uh huh.
>>82823006
But atleast we still get some good stuff like this season had some good stuff but not masterpieces.
>>82823025
Its like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how thought out your moves are, the pigeon is just gonna knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and fly back to its flock to claim victory.
>>82823052
same goes for you
>>82823080
>>82823080
How many anime like Patlabor have been made in the last 5 years?
>>82822976
Look at the second paragraph and tell me this isn't clueless alarmism:
>Japan's animation industry is struggling. Anime workers are unhappy, toiling long hours at low pay. Sales have been declining. On top of that, there is fast-growing competition from across Asia. Studios in China and South Korea now churn out high-quality anime-style programs, helped by cheaper labor and, in some cases, government subsidies.
Yeah China and Korea are going to take the animation world by storm.
This is completely clueless:
>A shrinking population of children in Japan has discouraged toy makers, television networks and other traditional sponsors from funding new programs. That has driven many anime studios—most of which are small shops—toward making animated soft porn and violent movies targeted at adult audiences.
It assumes that anime is just for children and a decline in children therefore means a decline in anime. Not only is that not true, but the number of shows being produced has risen dramatically since the 90s. It's also assumed that anime studios act independently, when in fact they're very often if not most of the time contracted by other companies.
"Animated soft porn and violent movies" seems to be a reference to 80s and early 90s OVAs which were hardly relevant in 2009 let alone today.
The author has no idea.
>>82823060
Ialways liked animebut acting like this any time, especially past high school, is just terrible.
Some people I know actually berate me for going to /co/ instead of /a/ but honest to God I've given /a/ as many chances as I could. /co/ may be bad but /a/ is an undeniable brand of autism. Even /v/ is less of a cancerous board than that embarrassing accumulation of aspergers and I gave up on that board just about as equally
>>82823087
I HEARD SOMEONE SAY SPACE BROTHERS.
>>82817371
I also live in Texas. The show is scary accurate and hilarious. I wonder how people around the country like it. There's a Japanese dub for God's sake. Beavis and Butthead is accurate to Texas/New Mexico living.
>>82823094
There's always going to be good stuff. I'm not that big of a faggot to dismiss anime outright, but I don't consider myself a fan anymore. I just watch some "good" shows and move on.
>>82823126
it made me a texaboo
