Tony was right in movie Civil War.
You need to be able to be able to hold Superpowered people responsible for there actions.
Just because you have powers does not mean you are above the Law.
Winter solider should have faced a Jury for his deeds, maybe the would have judged him guilty maybe not but he should have faced them.
>implying the winter soldier would have ever seen the light of day again, let alone a jury
Try a brief stay at a government black site before winding up in some unmarked hole in the ground.
The United States would never cede control of superheroes in the manner depicted in the film. The United Nations is completely inept and they veto everything the United Stats wants. Why would they just hand over superheroes?
>>82800159
Canonically he would have been wrestling bears in a Russian gulag.
>>82800089
Agreed
They could've just gotten together and talked things out on an episode of Dr. Phil.
>>82800089
He was right but answering to the government is wrong i think there should have been a council of supers and people that know supers well enough the importance of their actions a group that's only agenda is the protection of earth and its inhabitants and wont easily be infiltrated by groups like hydra
>>82800159
Much easier and safer in the long run to make them "Disappear".
>>82800884
>it's a "government tries to control supers" comic
Is this the worst plot in comics ? The government is always seen as the bad guys too. I don't think even a libertarian would think its okay for a guy who can telepathically control humans across the globe to unregistered
It's such an odd premise
>>82800884
That would leave you with the exact same problem as you started with.
>>82800159
Yeah, and what was their long-term plan for Wanda? Seemed like Ross wanted to throw her into ocean gulag right from the start.
>>82802611
That seems like speculation.Also it's not an unreasonable position.
The only way they could paint tony as being wrong was to make the government people in charge into mustache twirling blatant villains.
You realize that if say, Fury was the guy in charge instead of whatever the assholes name is, there would have been zero issues
>>82800209
>The United Nations is completely inept
Why is this always brought up. This isn't our world the comics UN is better than our worlds.
Also it was going to be a UN voted committee not the UN
>>82802611
That's the right thing to do with that bitch, honestly. Ross is fucking based.
>>82802762
I'm sure SHIELD was an organization that required it's people to be vetted and researched to get in. Who is to say any committee that is voted in isn't corrupted like SHIELD later on.
>>82802656
There was a strong implication that Tony was keeping her under house arrest because the government would take more drastic measures to contain her otherwise.
>>82802730
It was General Ross, the psychopath who created Abomination and destroyed half of Manhattan trying to kill the Hulk. Because that's the guy you want to have in charge of superhuman activity.
>>82802871
Would it matter? Black Widow was clearly talking about 'cooperating' with the board, no more. If it was corrupt they just expose them and continue on. If they are inside the council they can do more help
>>82802762
My headcanon is that after Old SHIELD fell in TWS, the power vacuum was filled by the United Nations. So, in the MCU the United Nations carries the same weight as NATO or something like that.
>>82802933
Considering the governments had the means to contain Wanda, if they wanted to wage a war against the Avengers, it seems they could. Also keeping the Avengers in house only seems like a better way to make sure there is no He said She said going on, which is exactly what Zemo made happen under the government's' nose.
>>82802896
>It was General Ross, the psychopath who created Abomination and destroyed half of Manhattan trying to kill the Hulk.
Ross didn't create the Abomination or destroy half of Manhattan. He gave a guy Captain America powers.
The Abomination transformation was all on Sterns and Blonsky himself.
>>82802896
I'd trust Talbot or Coulson in the position of managing the details of the Sokovia Accords.
Ross is as unhinged as Comic!Maria Hill.
>>82803043
I doubt the government could do anything if Wanda, Vision, Hulk and Thor were all on the same side.
>>82800089
But that's not what he wanted. The Avenger's were already accountable. If anyone had a problem with them ( in the US ) then they could be brought up on charges like anyone else. The man didn't want them to be accountable, he wanted them to continue doing what they were doing, but as slaves.
Tony, with all his baggage and guilt was just taken advantage of to that end.
>>82803080
>He gave a guy Captain America powers.
That was obviously Stark's Winter Soldier 2.0 serum. So he gave Bronski the same thing that drove all those frozen guys nuts.
>>82804759
>The Avenger's were already accountable. If anyone had a problem with them ( in the US ) then they could be brought up on charges like anyone else.
The UN didn't want to arrest them, because they know that the world needs the Avengers. The Accords were created as a way for the Avengers to operate within the law.
>>82804846
There's zero indication that it affected Blonsky's mind at all, though. His personality is exactly the same before and after.
>>82800089
>You need to be able to be able to hold Superpowered people responsible for there actions.
Sure. I think given the opportunity, Scarlet Witch would be happy to explain that if she hadn't moved the explosion, dozens of people would be killed including Captain America and herself.
>The Avengers need to be slaves to the government, forced to do whatever they want whenever they want - and NOTHING else.
That's the part people aren't happy about.
>>82804857
The UN can't arrest people. They don't have that kind of power.
I still laugh at, "This isn't the international security council, it's the UN."
Those fucker apparently had the authority to Nuke a US city. That's a lot of fucking power. The UN can't do shit.
>>82804938
>The Avengers need to be slaves to the government, forced to do whatever they want whenever they want - and NOTHING else.
They're not forced to. It's said that they can retire if they want.
It's treating them like cops or soldiers, which they should.
>>82805022
Oh yeah, you can retire if you want, but if you have scary powers we're going to tell you were you can and can't go. That girl? She's under house arrest, for her own safety or whatever.
>>82805098
House arrest was Tony's doing, because he was worried she'd cause more trouble, not any government.
>>82805098
WHAT DO YOU WANT, NIGGA? WHAT DO YOU WANT? BITCH HAS POWERS AND WAS A TERRORIST BEFORE BEING RECRUITED! AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU WANT, MY MAN?
>>82805170
When the one guy in the opposing camp you should be able to trust fucks you then you probably shouldn't trust any of them.
>>82805098
House arrest was just until this shit storm settled. People lay low all the time when there is controversy. Look at Cosby, has he said anything? He isn't on hiuse arrest but he's on media black out
>>82805022
That'd make sense - if they were UN employees in the first place. Even so, it's the same ultimatum bullshit from mainstream religions. The Avengers never got any say in this deal, so how is it fair?
>>82805359
There's a difference between you choosing to lay low and your boss having his robot bodyguard force you to stay home.
>>82804891
Didja watch the movie? It doesn't sound like ya did.
