Explain me one thing /co/.
How does Superman fly?
With the power of his hatred of injustice
Personally I've always preferred the "tactile telekinesis" explanation. I know a lot of people hate that though.
>>82798976
He jumps really high.
>>82798976
Manipulates his personal gravitational field.
>>82798976
He has a flight bladder that he inflates when he needs to stay in the air.
>>82798976
telekenesis
>>82799066
You mean, jump good?
It's the Superforce. I aint gotta explain shit.
>>82798976
Same way any fictional character can fly without magic or any powers that make flight logical. He can just fly end of stoy.
>>82799172
>>82799031
That's not an explanation. What's he pushing against? The air? Because the amount of force necessary would cause a lot more disturbance than he ever demonstrates. It's not like the wing of an aircraft being buoyed up by pressure differentials. There are more aerodynamic rocks.
>>82799482
Thank god, that stoy was boing.
His bioelectric field is strong enough to manipulate his own gravity, and to a lesser extent, the gravity of things he's touching.
>>82798976
His body naturally produces gravitons under the influence of a yellow Sun.
>>82799541
Why don't his atoms fly apart when he messes with the fundamental forces of the universe like that?
>>82798976
Alcubierre Drive. It's literally the only option.
>>82799546
His body CREATES subatomic particles? From what?
>>82799605
Because they're held together by the same gravitational effect.
And his body's ionic bonds are really strong.
>>82799702
But atoms aren't held together by gravity and their ionic bonds are impossible if the atoms themselves are coming apart.
>>82798997
>>82799766
They're not bonded by it, they're just literally held together withing his bioelectric field and moved forward as a single mass by creating an effect similar to gravity in a chosen direction.
>>82798976
Proper breathing and energy from the sun.
>>82798976
Tactile TK
He eats all his vegetables.
>>82799955
How can they be held together by his bioelectric field if they're incapable of forming valence bonds because he's disrupting the strong interaction by causing graviton interference?
muh yellow sun
Story force
>>82799541
>His bioelectric field is strong enough to manipulate his own gravity
>electromagnetism
>manipulate gravity
What the fuck am I reading
>>82798976
>>82799497
>>82799541
>>82799605
>>82799645
>>82799766
>>82800053
Do you actually like superheroes?
Are you familiar with them at all?
If not, why did you even start this thread?
>>82799645
Quantum uncertainty. The science is sound.
Actually, in 'Superman: Birthright' Lex Luthor theorized that Krypton was not just a planet, but a dead star with a humongous gravitonic field, and Kryptonian life forms had naturally evolved the means to resist it. In Earths measly gravity, those organs allow them to fly.
>>82800053
Because physics doesn't work like that in the DCU
>>82800177
Fuck you, Morrison. Read a real book.
>>82800116
Nothing, Superman activated his bilolelectric field and annihilated the local cluster.
>>82800275
That last part is pretty much ripped from the Donner movies.
>>82800287
>DC can't even exist properly
>>82800116
Who said anything about electromagnetism?
>>82799497
Why does telekinesis require you to push against something?
>>82800275
>Actually, in 'Superman: Birthright' Lex Luthor theorized that Krypton was not just a planet, but a dead star with a humongous gravitonic field, and Kryptonian life forms had naturally evolved the means to resist it. In Earths measly gravity, those organs allow them to fly.
You know things are bad when DBZ has a more logical explanation for its alien main race than DC. What the hell is this shit?
>>82798976
>>82799482
>>82799497
>>82799636
>>82799645
>>82800053
Comic Book Physics
>>82800320
Bioelectricity is caused by electromagnetism.
>>82799605
His atoms are invulnerable you fucking div.
>>82799868
But that Punisher is named Jake.
>>82800292
I'm not Morrison and I honestly doubt he'd waste time on 4chan like us loosers.
But really, there IS no fucking explanation.
Every single superhero is inherently unrealistic because the genre and character archetype were made for ACTUAL CHILDREN IN THE 1930's.
Any reasonably skilled detective could prove Wayne is Batmam. Anyone who's suffered the physical punishment he has in just a single year of his comics would suffer massively decreased physical abilities because humans have very imperfect healing.
Radiation kills complex organisms in significant doses, not mutates them.
Aliens do not exist as portrayed in comics.
Time travel is impossible.
The Speed Force isn't real.
Alternate dimensions are not proven to exist the way they do in comics.
Human beings, no matter how well-trained, cannot fight 10-to-1 odds against targets armed with guns and win. Or even armed with fists.
There is no Punch Dimension.
Evolution doesn't work that way. Neither do mutants.
>>82800315
>DC can't even exist properly
...No, of course it can't. A passing glance at it should make that clear.
The DCU is canonically a fictional universe, even within it's own continuity. It's even watched over by a group of all powerful interdimentional entities who's only job is to tweak the causality of events to make sure everything that happens is interesting.
>>82800315
>pretty much ripped from the Donner movies.
..?
Link?
>>82800371
>DBZ has a more logical explanation for its alien main race
You really need to stop using that stuff. It's bad for your brain.
>>82800516
Jake is a Honorary Frank
>>82800516
>he doesn't into Frank totems
>>82800536
>But really, there IS no fucking explanation.
I already said that in this thread when I said he flys end of story its hilarious the bullshit authors will invent to make hiim flying sound logical
>bioelectric field
Hahahahaha
>>82800557
>watched over by a group of all powerful interdimentional entities
They wish they were all-powerful.
>>82800536
Marvel handwaves this by calling every single being with superpowers a minor reality warper that screws reality to make their powers actually possible.
>>82800643
They're as powerful as the story requires.
Kinda like toonforce being as strong as it needs to be funny.
>>82799541
I don't think you understand what gravity is anon
>>82800658
Reality warping isn't real or possible either.
You like to pretend that they do, but no writer has ever actually referenced that in a comic book outside whatever series and handbook you think overrides all the others.
Comic books are made up and there is no realistic superhero. Deal with it.
>>82800564
Ki handwaves the superpowers in DBZ though and Saiyans came from an earth like planet that got blown the fuck up by the original super saiyan then migrated to Plant which had more mass than earth and higher gravity.
>>82798976
UP, UP AND AWAY!
>>82800748
Reality warping is possible actually you just need technology that can alter the the quantum foam.
>>82800658
Don't DC do the same by making it a part of their hypercrisis. Superman has Superman powers because the story demands it, for the sake of continuing.
>>82800658
DC characters just have other reality warpers higher up just doing it for them.
The problem is that there's no real explanation in-universe. Supes flies because it was easier to animate than super-jumping for the 1941 Fleischer cartoons, and it was added back in the comic because it was cool (old school movie synergy!).
>>82800791
Okay, I'll give you that.
Then explain how everyone in Marvel does it WITHOUT technology?
Just so you know, my "they're not real and thus physics does not apply to them" argument is always going to apply here because it will always be true.
How is it that I can manage to read comics longer then most neckbeards on this sorry-ass board and yet I STILL manage to not take them as seriously? It's a fucking comic book.
>>82800804
yes. see >>82800557
>>82800870
>Then explain how everyone in Marvel does it WITHOUT technology?
Its Celestials I aint got to explain shit basically.
>>82800769
>>82798976
interacts with the earth's EM field (which is related to yellow sun radiation, blocking some of it, interfering with other parts)
in space, in a spacesuit, the suit needs boosters
However Gohan explained it to Videl, that's how Super Man flies.
>>82801084
Man that is taking forever.
>>82801052
Thats some real bullshit if I heard it, magnetic levitation completely ignores gravity meaning it should impossible to make Superman fall while he is flying.
He uses the Superforce to climb around in the air less than a fucking attosecond. You can't even hold it.
>>82800930
So literally >>82800557 explanation?
>"A higher order of entities causes things to run because the plot requires them do with not explanation as to how they do that."
It's okay to admit that superheroes are made up bullshit and don't make any sense. It's not supposed to be realistic, it's not supposed to make sense. Almost NO speculative fiction out there is based on scenarios that could ever exist in real life, and even many "real life" shows rely completely on human beings acting even more stupid then they actually do to heighten the drama or comedic nature of the scenario.
>>82801084
Z characters fly via propelling ki, since ki is some supernatural energy it doesnt act like a chemical propellant leaving behind nothing but mass destruction when Z characters move at incredible speeds in midair.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G9lHicT-U2w
Tiny wings all over his body.
>>82801084
How does Goku learn to fly, againt?
>>82800870
The Celestials had the technology to alter the quantum structure of reality and implanted it in the DNA of humans' evolutionary ancestors back in prehistoric times. That's why the X-Gene exists, that's why radiation gives people super-powers instead of harming them or just doing nothing like it would IRL, it's all a manifestation of the same phenomenon.
As for magic users like Dr. Strange, they're just invoking the power of other advanced beings like the Vishanti who also have the capability of manipulating reality.
>>82798976
I have this headcanon that kryptonians all exude a small field that helps to regulate their personal gravity. This is shown by how Krypton has a notoriously high gravity, which limits their modern/pre-extinction space flight attempts. I believe it was evolved as part of their advanced physiology to adapt to some change in their gravity that happened in the last thousand years or so. Said change inhibiting their space flight.
This gets some proof when you consider that without powers(for whatever reason) Clark is at equal strength to a normal human that equals his, admittedly impressive physique. So Kryptonions aren't any stronger than a human, but they modulate their personal gravity, most likely subconsciously.
So when exposed to yellow sun radiation, this ability, as with every other feasible part of his anatomy, is boosted to incredibly, nigh-godlike levels.
Bam, Supes can control his own gravity and fly, both on planet and in space.
Also I hate the Man of Steel idea that he manipulates the atmosphere near by. This is mentioned by A.I.Jor El, and shown by both Clark moving particulates before takeoff, and when Zod has parts of his armor floating around him before he takes off in flight for the first time.
>>82800536
LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!! GO AWAY!!! SANTA CLAUSE IS RRREEEEEEEAAAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>82798976
He moves at will in any direction.
>>82801488
Actually Strange has a levitating cloak that lets hi fly. But otherwise yeah.
>>82801488
Reality doesn't exist outside of your brain. Without eyes to see, without senses to feel and interpret, make a model of the world, there's no world. That's why every superpower expalanation thing is bullshit.
The map is not the territory.
>>82801488
Thank you cosmic space gods for turning me into a horrible birdman abomination!!!!
>>82800610
Punish-Verse/Frank-Verse when?
He inflates himself, just like a balloon.
>>82800536
>Punch Dimension
Whats the Punch Dimension?
>>82802079
where Cyclop's punch beams come from
>>82800536
>no Punch Dimension
Stopped reading there
Go hone fagbots and come back when you learn some science
>>82801953
Dream pls.
>>82800752
That is really just a dumb an explanation
>>82798976
telekinesis
>>82800747
Does anyone? I mean really? Does anyone? The most we know is "gravity happens because in space things clump together due to electromagnetism or something and the mass of these things ends up pulling in more things"
That's about as far as we've gotten with it. Gravity is a force and everything else, the other forces of nature have an anti-force except for gravity. I remember reading that in a biology text book about this exact subject. The scientists writing the thing theorized he just had access to whatever anti-gravity is that we haven't figured out yet.
>>82801953
No Plato, reality is real.
>>82801488
It's funny how poorly understood scientific concepts are used in science fiction as a stand in for magic and then later on they become understood.
>>82802572
It's kind of like meme magic. We just make shit up as we go along and then later we find out it's actually true or reality reveals it.
>>82798976
I believe its 0 percent gravity and 100 percent concentrated power of will
>>82803107
And that's why we remember his name.
>>82799971
Hamon?
>>82801972
Hey, some combinations work, others don't. When you have a sample group of trillions, you're gonna get a few less-than-great results mixed in there.
>>82798976
He jumps then starts to fall, but then he just sorta "goes more" and he's flying.
>>82803107
Thank god it's 0 percent. You know...zero percent and not one percent. Cos...well...if it was one percent...
>>82800536
>Time travel is impossible
WRONG
Forwards time travel is possible by means of near-light-speed time relativity fuckery. You'd experience time slower than it's really going from your perspective, so it'd feel like a week, but it's been months, or years, go fast enough for long enough, and it's decades, centuries, millennia in a fraction of the time.
Going backwards is theoretically possible, but not survivable because it involves going in black holes. Some of your sub-atomic particles might make it though.
He jumps really good, aims to land on the Earth, and misses.
>>82798976
Fart jets. Just like the pillar men from Battle Tendency but more powerful and less noticeable.
>>82798976
He falls, but he misses the ground
>>82799645
presubatomic particles
>>82803584
You realize nothing actually supports relativistic time dilation right? Sorry mazer rackham. Looks like ender is gonna have to train himself.
>>82803588
>>82803717
Sounds messy. Hope he has his towel
He supers his way off the ground and then supers through the air.
>>82798976
Power of will. How do you run? How do you run faster, how do you run slower?
>>82801218
>Twintail Videl
My actual dick.
>>82798976
he just throw himself at the ground and miss...
They already explained this, he bends space and time to pull himself forward
OCH THE FUKKEN TIRES M8, YA REALLY GIVE HALF A SHITE HOW THE GOTTS DAMN TIRES BE CHANGED YEH FOOKIN NUTTERS
ALFRED PUMPS THE TIRES YA CUNTS
>>82798976
I get why he flies
I just don't get how he flies faster
>>82806529
Wasn't there a bloke called Harold that Bruce let live in the cave in exchange for him pumping the tyres and keeping guano off the Batcomputer? Then Loeb killed him off in Hush so I guess Alfred does it all now.
he challanges the laws of gravity
>>82798976
>How does Superman fly?
Pretty well
>>82798976
Super farts
>>82798976
He flaps his arms faster than anyone can see.
>>82798976
He doesn't fly, he moves the whole universe around him while he stays completely still.
>>82808318
I love that this is basically the most feasible idea of FTL travel we currently have
Please note that "most feasible" is relative. But the leading idea is to skirt the idea of the barrier of FTL by moving space itself. Because space has no speed limit (that we know of)
There are problems. Like the idea that the space envelope will accumulate particles and once its deactivated will cause a wave of horrific radiation every time the drive is shut off or that it would need the mass energy of Jupiter to power
>>82800116
You're reading why superman can fly
>>82798976
Tactile Telekinesis.
>>82801445
Tien teaches him, who learned it from Roshi's old rival.
>>82808957
Which is why the FTL drives in futurama are super-dense dark matter, harvested from a species that can eat anything and everything, and has a larger-on-the-inside stomach.
>>82800536
>I'm not Morrison and I honestly doubt he'd waste time on 4chan like us loosers.
This is definitely Morrison
>>82798976
Well I always like to imagine Superman is more ridiculous then he lets on, so he doesn't fly he just manipulates time and jumps good to make you think he can.
>>82800752
You're getting your "better explanation" from a comedy you know?
he has super powers
>>82810789
Jesus had superpowers, but he couldn't fly.
>>82798976
Hate
>>82806529
>>82807961
The first time I read Hush I had no idea who the fuck Harold was, or why he was a thing. Morrison was right, I'd never once considered who changes the Batmobile's tires.
Actually scratch that, I had, I just assumed Bruce and Alfred did it.
>>82801218
>it was Gohan's idea for Videl to cut her hair
Based Gohan.
>>82800752
>>>82800564
>that got blown the fuck up by the original super saiyan
It's like you don't even DBZ. Broly didn't blow up the planet. His power allowed his father and him to get off the planet before Frieza blew it up.
>You will never be able to fly under your own power
>>82799636
Seriously though, this is the only explanation as to why Superman could fly in space without using propellant.
>>82812631
well there's also the telekinesis theory which isn't without precedence. Superman has always had a small degree of psychic power. And super mathematics.
>>82799497
>what is he pushing against
His own body
>>82802208
So Superman.
>>82812714
>well there is also the literal magic theory
Like I said, an Alcubierre drive is literally the only rational explanation.
>>82798976
Lots of exercise and a healthy diet.
>>82798976
The power of memes
Didnt they explain it as "he can manipulate his bodies density to be lighter than air"? Not sure about the propulsion but im sure theres some other bs to craft.
>>82813862
Doesn't explain space flight
>>82814083
At that point all that would matter is the BS explanation for propulsion, because he's already weightless
>>82814277
farts
>>82798976
Hope
How does he have the strength to move mountains and sometimes even planets?
The answer: Untalented, inconsistent hack writers.
>>82801488
>As for magic users like Dr. Strange, they're just invoking the power of other advanced beings like the Vishanti who also have the capability of manipulating reality.
I find Marvel's idea of magic pretty damn boring for that reason. DC's whole meta-fictional awareness thing feels a little more original to me.
>>82798976
Sunforce.
>>82801559
>Clark is at equal strength to a normal human
I think I get what you mean unlike an atlantian who is strong because of pressure down in the oceon a kryptonion does not seem to be stronger to deal with there gravity
>>82799497
>What's he pushing against?
Himself. His tactile telekinesis is just a field around him that he can expand. He pushes against himself into the air. Have you ever balanced a basketball on the tip of your finger and felt it wobble around slightly as you adjust it to keep from falling? That's what he's doing with that telekinetic field.
Yeah, it's silly to envision, that's why he just visually fucking flies.
He's so strong he can jump as long as he wants
>>82802027
>the words punishment and punished has been replaced with Frank and Franked
>>82809831
In other words very unlikely. Considering universe age I would say that even if FTL travel is possible the universe is too vast and intelligent life capable of reaching FTL travel is too rare so the chances of meeting another civilization are minimal. So maybe there is an alien civilization colonizing a sector of a galaxy far away but we will never meet each other.
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>>82798976
>How does Superman fly?
He actually moves the entire universe around him!
>>82800536
>Time travel is impossible.
Yeah okay China.
>>82798976
How can Superman be super stronk on planets that are not Earth? Since his powers are based on our sun.Seriously curious.
>>82798976
Alfred pumps him full of helium, the rest is just wind currents and momentum.
>>82802079
The X-men debuted when comics were really only aimed at children, these were when everything had to be supersafe otherwise you'd get some irate fucker complaining that children might grow some laser eyes and burn down the school. So in order to avoid getting the can, Cyclops's eye beams don't burn anything, instead it's more akin to hitting something really hard; because the comic audience was growing up later on writers felt the need to give superpowers a more scientific grounding, so they explain that Cyclops dosen't actually generate the beams, but rather his eyes act as a vent for a dimension made purely out of energy.
Now comic book fans find it really funny that they still stick to this child's safety canon whilst giving it a mature explanation: hence the punchbeams from the punchdimension was born.
