Civil War was trash.
Wow, what a great thread.
>>82790789
You really make some good points
>>82790789
>this bait thread was started by marvel shills to get responses like >>82790844
Captain America and Bucky only got away through a series of poorly written character choices.
Vision didn't do anything during the entire fight even though he could have stopped everyone on Cap's side.
Vision shot down the down instead of destroying the plane Cap and Bucky were obviously running towards.
Tony had Vision try to shoot down Falcon from the ground, instead of shooting Falcon himself. Even though moments later, Tony hits Falcon with a nonlethal blast on the ground.
War Machine could have taken care of Falcon while Tony pursued the Cap and Bucky.
Either Tony or Rhodes could have shot out one of the engines. They both know Cap is a capable pilot who could have landed the damaged plane.
>>82790960
*Vision shot down the tower instead of destroying the plane
>>82790789
>>82790789
I wouldn't say trash, but it's definitely overhyped. It's worse than Winter Soldier.
>>82791115
This is true. I'd place it a little below Cap 2. They handled the massive roster well but it really did bring the plot down a bit.
>>82791033
this is beautiful
>>82791115
Winter Soldier was better, indeed, but Civil war is a great sequel. The problem here is that we have a lot of Dcfags that, even after a month, constantly try to retcon the BvS delusion with stupid bait threads.
>>82791303
BvS was easily better than any Marvel film after IM1.
>>82790844
Considering Civil War is now ahead by about $70 million and it's only the second week, I'd say a loooooong time.
>>82791115
Well Winter Soldier is the best MCU movie in my opinion, with Civil War and Iron Man tied to the second place.
>>82791353
Of course it was.
How did a van with a bomb somehow get parked, conveniently, right outside the UN building?
>>82791465
It was a news van.
The Avengers were signing a historic document news crews were all over the place.
>>82790789
>>82791303
We've seen time and time again that most threads are made for company wars. And for what? Movies? Oh man, I wonder where all these trolls are coming from?
>>82791495
So, how did Zemo get it in front of the building? Did he steal it? How did he get into the area? I assume he'd get ID checked before being let in.
And why did security just think to check to van seconds before it exploded
>>82791115
>It's worse than Winter Soldier.
Most movies are, that's not really saying much.
Why doesn't Iron Man make a suit for everyone?
Cap would function well if given something the ability to fly
>>82791558
>Most movies are
pls be b8
Capeshit is the lowest of the low of the film medium.
The first three Bourne movies all blow it out of the water.
>>82790960
>Vision didn't do anything during the entire fight even though he could have stopped everyone on Cap's side.
This is a point, though it's mentioned prior to the fight that he's still not certain of his control over his powers, so it's possible he was holding back in case he accidentally fried someone.
>Vision shot down the down instead of destroying the plane Cap and Bucky were obviously running towards.
He may have wanted to preserve the plane in case his team needed it.
>Tony had Vision try to shoot down Falcon from the ground, instead of shooting Falcon himself. Even though moments later, Tony hits Falcon with a nonlethal blast on the ground.
I believe Tony was busy chasing the plane at the time.
>War Machine could have taken care of Falcon while Tony pursued the Cap and Bucky.
This is a point.
>Either Tony or Rhodes could have shot out one of the engines. They both know Cap is a capable pilot who could have landed the damaged plane.
I don't think plane disabling is an exact science. Look at videos of jet malfunctions, they can go from gliding to fireball in zero seconds flat, especially if you're zapping the part that emits fire.
>>82791624
Oh come on that's not fair. Superhero movies are just blockbuster action flicks with a specific genre attached. Couple that with TBBT making being a nerd popular and you have something more enjoyable.
>>82791649
>Synder is bad
Disney social engineer pls
>>82791554
>how did Zemo get it in front of the building
He's an intelligence agent, in fact he was the leader of an intelligence operation. Maybe he got a false press pass, maybe he killed the real driver and used the van's legit press pass.
>why did security just think to check to van seconds before it exploded
For all we know, Zemo detonated it earlier than planned because security was on to him. Or maybe it was on a short timer to begin with because Zemo knew it wouldn't sit there very long without attracting attention. For all we know, he could have just parked it and ran knowing that the chaos of the explosion would cover his escape.
I thought it was bold and brash
>>82791648
Vision can easily overpower them all though. He doesn't even need to use the gem on his head. He can incapacitate them all with strength alone and handcuff them all.
Have Tony and Iron Man distract Wanda with the sound waves, and Vision just takes everyone out.
>>82790789
Agreed, it was gold.
>>82791722
>Have Tony and Iron Man
>>82791674
>disney shills trying to pretend DC fans ever wanted snyder
kill yourself.
>>82791682
My main problem with Zemo is that he's operating out of anger for the loss of his loved ones, yet he's okay with bombing a heavily populated area. He even apologizes for T'Chala's dad dying like it didn't occur to him that he might catch someone unintended in the crossfire of his fucking explosive.
But, you know, blinded by vengeance and whatnot.
>>82791648
Oh, and I think Tony could have easily called for another plane.
>>82791624
Winter Soldier has characters you give a shit about.
Bourne movies are all unwatchable.
Point goes to Winter Soldier.
>>82791722
Where are the stacks of handcuffs that can hold various people with all different kinds of abilities?
>>82791722
>Have Tony and Iron Man distract Wanda with the sound waves, and Vision just takes everyone out.
These autism plans are great when you're playing with action figures or playing Warhammer 40k or whatever. But they don't make for good stories.
>>82791744
Tony and Iron Man and Rhodey and War Machine.
Sorry.
>>82791771
>Bourne movies are all unwatchable.
die slow nigger
Hawkeye was great in this movie
>>82791783
Cap, Wanda, and Bucky are really the only three with powers on his side. The rest rely on suits.
>>82791353
Iron Man fucking sucked.
Captain America 1 and 2 blow everything else Marvel has done out of the water.
>>82791786
This. The real reason is "because we wanted a big scene where everyone takes turns beating the shit out of each other in fun to watch ways, and then a little scene where Cap and Tony drama fight later on"
>>82791792
How are they good at all?
>>82791786
>>82791819
>our story revolves on people acting like retards
B...B...BASED RUSSOS 10/10
>>82791871
It's not bait. Iron Man is objectively the worst, least memorable Marvel movie.
I swear to god only in the last few days have I seen people defending that piece of shit.
>>82791875
Yeah, it's a pretty good movie if you don't set out to hate it.
It must suck devoting that much time and effort to nitpick something meant to bring you joy into the ground.
>>82791875
No seriously, it's a story. It's not meant to be realistic.
>>82791909
People always liked it. It's huge opening is what sparked them to announce the whole phase 1 line up just days after it released.
It just has not aged well. It was great compared to the trash Sony and Fox put out, but it's still pretty much standard "Super Hero Movie" with a really boring third act.
>>82791925
>>82791944
You know what also makes for good action scenes? People doing reasonable and interesting things, instead of jobbing to each other like Power Rangers villains
But I guess asking for a Disney movie to have any thought put into it is asking too much.
>>82791909
> Iron Man is objectively the worst.
You're not even trying.
>>82791909
I'm guessing you've never seen the Thor movies.
>>82791998
>You know what also makes for good action scenes? People doing reasonable and interesting thing
What? No. Give an example if you're going to make a claim like that.
And not just tatic-lol trigger discipline shit which is not interesting.
>>82790844
Quality over cash, buddy. The first Civil War review I read literally said "it's better than BvS because of quips!" Not even joking.
http://christylemire.com/captain-america-civil-war/
>>82792031
>Quality over cash
>defending a movie that was neither quality and made little cash
dcucks everyone
>>82791998
>You know what also makes for good action scenes?
>People doing reasonable and interesting things
>>82791364
That is very sad
>>82791979
I guess. I just always hated it. The opening is boring as fuck, the ending, like you said, is boring, and I honestly can't remember a single thing about the middle.
None of the characters stood out other than RDJ, the visuals were murky and bland (a problem with most Marvel movies save for a couple stand outs), and the villain was barely present. Iron Man was sort of the template for the absolute worst of what the Marvel movies do today.
It wasn't until Captain America that they made a really good movie.
>>82792025
Thor is way more interesting than Iron Man. Things actually happen, there are characters that do things, and they have a visual identity.
>>82792122
dude, relax. It's going to be okay, just step away from the computer for a second.
Can you fucking cretins stop posting on /tv/? Nobody wants to read your circlejerks
>>82792178
Just imagine if the airport fight was between the Justice League.
But it's Batman's team vs Wonder Woman's team.
And Superman just sits back and does nothing while everyone else fights.
>>82792099
The bland visuals are just kind of what happens when you shift an origin from Vietnam to the Mideast.
RDJ does carry the movie, admittedly. Honestly, I like it for the suit building scenes, but it's true over half of the movie is origin stuff with a lackluster fight at the end.
However, having watched Cap 1 last week, I felt that it had a bit of an asspull ending as well. Red Skull is winning, and then he grabs the cube and gets cosmos'd out of nowhere.
>>82792243
>>82792099
I do think that it's not a great movie. But it set the tone for how the MCU was going to play out. It's not dreamy, orchestrated wide eyed wonder fairy tale stuff like Raimi Spiderman. It's not dark trench-coat completely missing the point Fox Xmen.
It takes place in the real world. Terrrist shit and big buisness. Stark listens to AC/DC and kills people with missiles. I mean now it doesn't seem too special, but at the time we really didn't know what the tone was going to be at all.
>>82792330
>>82792360
Where did I say it was shit or sucks, brother? I wouldn't know - I didn't see it. I have 0 interest in seeing it. I have seen their movies already and I know what their tone is - it's not for me. The trailer looks like more of the same, why should I spend money on something that looks bad, from a company with a bad track record?
>>82792392
>backpedaling
>>82790789
no shit sherlock
>>82790789
Bait threads are the cancer of this site.
>>82792445
The GL movie was "decent". It wasn't good, but it wss better than shit like AoU.
>>82792445
Likewise, I'm not a shitposter who flames BvS threads all day. But those two groups have really shat up these threads for everyone else. Not that this particular thread was ever going to be good.
>>82792392
You literally said
"I didn't even see their movie it looked so bad."
That's different from "I didn't want to see it because it's not my kind of movie" which is what you're implying in this post. You're being very disingenuous right now. Not liking the tone isn't the same as it being a bad movie, it just means it doesn't conform to your personal taste.
>>82792512
*best cape movie
>>82792512
While that's not true, it'd be disingenuous to say it wasn't a good movie.
>>82792530
To be fair, he didn't say it was bad, just that it looked bad.
>>82792530
It looks like a shit movie and I wouldn't pay money to see it, based on their track record. It's not about DC vs Marvel. It's about shitty edgy try hard movies vs just good enjoyable movies.
>>82792601
>shitty edgy try hard movies vs just good enjoyable movies.
t. cancer killing cinema
>>82792640
shut the fuck up retard yuo'r embarrassing yourself
>>82792640
Sure you do, especially if you're a Batman fan who likes Long Halloween.
>t. I and similarly minded friends watched the shit out of it until we got sick of it
>>82792705
>>82792668
>>82792688
>>82792703
You wanna see a magic trick?
>best scene in cinema history. Nravo Bolan
If you think this thread is bad, you should take a look at the /tv/ threads
>>>/tv/69548655
>>82792601
>based on their track record
Man of Steel was good, and BvS improved upon its flaws. It's literally just you trying to say your taste in tone determines the quality of a film. Just admit that BvS was a good movie that you don't want to see because it's not the style you want it to be.
>>82792726
reminder to look at Star Wars 7's RT score
>>82792753
>Man of Steel was good
Eh. It was alright. Wasn't great, wasn't terrible. I can't say I think it's worth another watch.
>>82790789
Is it already time to hate it?
>>82792829
Good post, friend.
>>82792231
its different though, since it fits Marvel to have them fight somewhere more grounded (ironically at an airport). having The Justice League fight somewhere low key doesnt work because theyre Gods. if the Airport fight had Hulk and Thor, then Id see more reason to bitch about it
>>82792823
What was your favorite part?
>>82792823
...just, why?
>>82792949
It's his mother!
>>82792982
>money is all that matters
Clark foreshadowed this by holding Plato's Republic.
>>82792949
Nigga get out of here I'm legitimately curious.
>>82792823
That's okay, but do you at least respect other's opinions?
>>82792982
>implying world wide matters
Domestic profits are the only ones that matter.
>>82791925
>baby whales
>>82792871
>>82792975
I liked zacks vision that was felt in the movie, we got the movie he wanted to make
>>82793050
Sure, 2nd cap movie was awesome.
>>82793130
Im glad Im a normie then. now Im gonna go fuck the prom queen
>>82793147
Favorite part, man, not the overall vibe. What was the event shown in the movie that made you go "yes, this is a movie I enjoy" the most?
For example, I was grinning like an idiot the entire time Spider-Man was onscreen in CW
>>82793193
I really liked WW showing up for the final fight, Zack knows action. I only really disliked the prolongued ending.
>>82790789
is this a picture for ant man?
>>82792871
this exchange
>the first generation of Waynes made their fortune selling pelts
>they were hunters
It gave a good angle to the whole "challenging a God" aspect of the Batman. rest of the movie was trash though
Civil War was pretty boring except for the fight scenes. And the choreography wasn't even that good, just the cgi was cool. I'm also completely done with Marvel's "humor". It's all the same tired awkwardness, cheap banter and shit. There's no jokes or gags, it just feels like bad sitcom humor
>>82792871
I liked the party scene very much. Clark and Bruce interacting was nice, and then how Clark was able to hear Alfred and followed Bruce, but then dropped it once he saw the news about the girl who would have died. Wonder Woman stealing the drive was cool too.
>>82793557
Bananas are good too? What are you saying with this? Man of Steel was a solid 8/10 for me.
>>82791753
His initial plan was just getting the info from the Colonel, and then using footage sooner or later.
But that Russian went all Heil Hydra, so people died.
>>82793687
>using a meme as criticism
>this whole thread
>>82791998
>People doing reasonable and interesting things,
Like making a gun instead of a lance of longinus?
>>82794009
You mean like that grenade launcher?
Also, I'm sure it's a lot easier to make a spear than to manufacture kryptonite bullets.
>>82794443
He's Bruce Fucking Wayne. You can actually buy bullet molds, a small forge, and a bullet press for under 1000 bucks (most of it at Walmart). The kids in Monster Squad were able to make silver bullets in the school's shop class.... are you trying to tell me Mr. "Prep Time" can't do the same with Kryptonite?
>>82792243
That's all very reasonable. I don't like the way Red Skull goes out either. It's sort of understandable since it's the same sort of hubris thing as Raiders, but you're not wrong in that it feels unclimactic.
And yeah, RDJ is what carries the movie. It's telling that he's in so many other movies in a starring role, but the character's own movies tend to be middling. He just does a good job with the character.
>>82792313
This makes sense too, but I have to admit that the groundedness of so many MCU movies has been to their detriment.
>>82790789
Well, that's your opinion, OP.
>>82791753
He was previously a spec ops death squad soldier. Who knows what fucked up shit he got up to until he settled down with a few people he loved.
The only people he cared about were taken away from him and he goes back to being a death squad soldier.
Makes sense.
>>82797618
and Civil War was TV tier
>>82797775
But nobody praises it, nor did the Russos try or study cinematography, they made their name with a TV show.
Snyder went to film school to learn about that, and, even in he's 50's, he still delivers film student-tier shots.
The worst part is that some people praise it.
>>82790789
The only thing I didn't like was how they had to go with the super cliched blame the good guys for no reason thing. Like you couldn't be more creative and find a legitimate controversy to base the war on?
>>82796749
Totally agree m8
>>82790844
I say about three to four years. With Snyder removed from the helm, Affleck will make a decision to not suck in his new Batman movie. Becausr, to my knowledge, Ben Affleck has never sucked under his own control.
>>82791115
"Worse than Winter Soldier" is still somewhere in the stratosphere as far as cape flicks go. With such a relatively small sample set, the gauge is askew, and films that are a "C" at worst can draw either our unrelenting ire or our fawning admiration purely based on how faithfully they handle the characters. BvS wasn't a turd in the pool, from a cinematic perspective it was crowded, confusing, dark, and many other commonly used negative adjectives, but the film had it's share of good scenes and moments, and overall it was a "C".
>>82798890
I'm gonna remind you that Kramer Vs. Kramer beat Apocalypse Now, The Warriors, Hair, Alien, Star Trek the motion picture, and All That Jazz for an Oscar. It beat most of those in the box office too.
Sometimes it's not about who you're with, but about the cultural atmosphere.
>>82799668
>Star Trek the motion picture
Eh, that wasn't good though. Wrath of Khan was better.
>>82793570
Everything you said was the opposite to me
>/co/:Company War
>>82800016
It had the creepiest scene in all of Star Trek with the teleporter
>>82800210
You have objectively bad taste then. The compositing for Spider-Man was GARBAGE for a film that costs way more than the 5 other Spider-Man films. And the Iron Man suits get worse with every movie.
>b-but muh giant text, that makes it visually good and interesting
>>82793161
>Marvel execs were thinking "oh shit oh shit oh shit. What if people are finally tired of superhero movies."
Er. No.
Its because Warner Bros, Fox and Sony are full of idiots who do not understand what their audiences want.
People wanted darker superhero movies. In comes Winter Soldier and Civil War.
People didn't want TRADITIONAL origin stories. In comes GotG.
Marvel Studios actually DO know what they're doing. When their execs were being idiots (IM2, Thor 1+2, Avengers 2), they actually looked at the big picture and made things work.
People are not tired of superhero movies. They're tired of shit, uninspired superhero movies.
>>82800416
>way more
The budget for TASM2 is actually predicted to be between 250 and 300 million.
