Why did he hate unions?
>>82787461
He ciewed his employees as a family, with himself as the stern yet loving patriarch who cannot be questioned. Perhaps naively, he took it as a personal betrayal when his workers unionized.
>>82787461
He was cheap as fuck and a ruthless businessman.
Politics wise he also hated anything communist and viewed unions as an extension of them.
>>82787461
he hated everything. especially unions Jew's and blacks, hopefully he never employed a black Jew who wanted to unionize
>>82787752
Uncle Walt's anti-Semitism has been exagerated over the years
>>82787940
Kind of everything about him has been exaggerated over the years. People that knew him personally always say he was a great guy, but for some reason his mainstream reputation is that of a racist anti-semite demon whose body is frozen in suspended animation within the Disney Vault. I have to wonder just how that happened. Maybe his hatred of unions is the key...
>>82787940
This is what the jews running the company want you to believe
>>82787461
They make your breath smell like SHIT
>>82787940
He was an anti-Semite, despite recent attempts to whitewash his history and pretend he wasn't, but people forget that basically everybody was an anti-Semite before WWII.
It didn't help that Walt was specifically screwed over by Jews and his biggest competitors were Jewish.
Because if you extend a hand you soon will find yourself missing an arm.
If working on mediocre jobs that have unions taught me anything is that the people than gather on them will try to juice out both parties the most they can, never truly feeling at "home" and never trusting of either, and if i recall being open with your colleagues and somesuch was a big part of old animation industries.
>>82787461
Because he was a greedy capitlist scumbag.
>>82788008
>He was an anti-Semite, despite recent attempts to whitewash his history and pretend he wasn't
Y'know, I keep hearing this, but I have never seen anything even remotely resembling proof of it.
>>82788017
You do understand that the only reason you get days off is because of unions, right? Without them you literally would work six days a week (and you'd be a protestant regardless of what the constitution says about establishment, unless you wanted to work seven days a week), you'd have lower pay, you wouldn't have access to more than rudimentary healthcare - you couldn't afford it - and you'd still be stuck buying your shit from the company store at inflated prices.
>but that's all stuff in the past! we don't need them any more!
Sweetie, give it a couple of years. Wait until one of your mediocre employers has arbitrarily decided to ignore the rights - statutory or contractual - of the employees and been successfully opposed. You can lose a lot more than your dental plan.
Heck, unions are a good idea if for no other reason than they give you cheap arbitration and legal representation in individual disputes between you and your employer. The last thing you want is to hit retirement and start realizing the things you had to walk away from because you didn't know better and couldn't afford to sue were things you could have stuck out on full pay without any blame. Every time you're unemployed for two weeks that's 1/24 of your annual earnings wiped out; you might spend a couple of years unemployed in your working life. More, even, the way things are now. It hits your earnings, it depletes your savings, it's bad. Paying a small annual due to mitigate the worst of that is a good investment.
And you know what? Getting you to internalize the idea that businesses can't be wrong and your boss can't be fucking incompetent and still get paid is victory for the commercial sector, but it doesn't help you one bit and it doesn't make a lick of economic sense. It's authoritarian bullshit dressed up as capitalism; it has nothing to do with the smooth function of the economy, it's protectionism for failed businesses.
>>82788135
Historical accounts from people close to him and co-workers don't count as proof?
>>82788329
Nuh-uh, Walt Disney is like a kindly old Tom Hanks
>>82787461
Cuz he was mean! Evil moneymaking success jerk!!!!+!+! I hate him@@##- GRAAAAAH.
>>82788177
Not really, maybe it's that way to you because of historic facts but this does not apply in reality for every company and union. Thing is that while it's true the company is looking for chances to make things work better for the company while minimizing costs the union also does it's thing for the sake of the union as a group. it's hard to explain without living it first hand but trust me unions are not the saints you think they are and in most cases they feed paranoia on the employees as soon as they see a good chance.
But hey what would i know after all getting fired from a warehouse for following an "advice" is totally not what the union wanted and they TOTALLY are not at fault.
>>82788177
>it's protectionism for failed businesses.
And unions aren't protection for shitty employees? Anyone who's had to work under a union has a story about that godawful coworker who couldn't get fired because the union would protect him
Unions were essential at the point in history when tyrannical robber barons could enslave entire towns and send hired armies to enforce their factories.
Nowadays, we have the free dispersal of information thanks to the Internet, a robust body of labor laws, and public institutions like EEOC to legal action for workers rights.
Meanwhile, if you're unionized, enjoy putting up with a leech sucking away any wage increases you get into their union dues, which are often mandatory even if you don't want to participate.
Unions are organizations that are just as self-interested as corporations and need to line their pockets with your money to sustain themselves. I'm not saying that companies are good or virtuous, just that unions are no better and you're buying into a well practiced narrative
>>82787703
>He ciewed his employees as a family,
Are you 8? Who the fuck believes that
>>82787461
This
>>82787732
People hate Disney for being a racist but they should hate from for being an anti-worker miser
>>82788017
What the fuck are you talking about retard
Unions are the workers. They aren't some nebulous reptilian conspiracy.
>>82787940
see what people forget about that age is hating jews was nothing unusual. Now while the holocaust was awful it often gets brought up everytime you criticise semetic communities as a 'get out of jail free' card. Yeah walt hated jews, and blacks, and poor people, but no more than any wealthy business magnate of the era. Every story you hear of people who personally interacted with him paints him as a decently down to earth, personable human being.
it's almost as if people are complex and capable of having positive traits as well as negative ones.
>>82788177
Unions should step in when there's a problem not try to continually justify there existence when everything is fine
>>82788177
B...but unions r bad because they take my money away and they are mean to small businesses!
Besides, when I get rich I don't want no unions taking my money away and giving it to the parasites
>>82788177
capitalism is inherently authoritarian and antidemocratic by it's nature. when you take an economic system meant to act as a transitional period and turn it into a combination ethos and political platform bad shit is going to happen.
>>82788329
You mean eternally butthurt strike leader Art Babbitt? Because he's the one that started the rumors.
Walt actually felt like the Jewish artists at the studio were some of the best ones he had and joked if religion=talent he'd only hire jews.
>>82788722
>Unions are the workers.
Pretty naive way of looking at things. All institutions with power inevitably become corrupt.
>>82788664
>Unions are organizations that are just as self-interested as corporations
Yeah but their self-interest is "make enough money to feed my family" and the companies' self-interest is "drain these bastards of every single penny they're worth".
Sure, you'll get shitty situations sometimes, yeah "everyone has a story", but so does every single organization in our society. The healthcare system, the school system, they all have their shady side, but saying Unions are basically a thing of the past and we don't need them anymore because now we have the internet is just fucking naive, man.
>>82788770
>>82788588
>Not really, maybe it's that way to you because of historic facts
lol
>>82788664
It's protectionism for employees. Are you an employee? Then it's for you.
>Unions were essential at the point in history when tyrannical robber barons could enslave entire towns and send hired armies to enforce their factories.
this literally happens right now you dumb fucking autist
The fact that americans have internalized anti-union bullshit and accepted that they deserve to be taken advantage of is why America is a walking corpse of a nation.
You want to know what killed the middle class? You did.
>>82788821
Well Reagan did.
We helped.
>>82788770
You mean like the companies unions exist to protect you from do?
>>82788840
Choosing between the Walrus or the Carpenter.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/rick-and-morty-co-creator-justin-roiland-fuck-the-union-103723.html
>Roiland’s claim that they didn’t have time to negotiate doesn’t hold up for other reasons, too. For example, the studio called a meeting with artists to give them the classic “unions are scary” talk. They told artists, among other things, that the Animation Guild offered a poor health plan. Of course, their own company offered no health plan, which was one of the reasons that artists wanted to organize. Regardless of what they told the artists, the anti-union meeting hosted by Rick and Morty LLC’s bosses suggests that they were well aware of the artists’ organizing efforts and didn’t have to wait until the last moment to strike a deal.
>In another now-deleted comment, Roiland continued to point a finger at the Animation Guild, claiming that they made his artists want to strike against him:
>I also had no idea anyone was unhappy. No one told me anything. One minute it’s just work as usual, the next minute there’s a walk out. Okay. Cool. Those union reps really know how to get people worked up and pissed off. Again, totally unnecessary on a show like ours. I LOVE AND CARE ABOUT MY CREW. If I knew they were unhappy we would have done something about it.
>But the artists working on the show were the ones who approached the union for help. Guild rep Hulett writes, “The crew, unhappy about their treatment (they were on 60-hour weeks which made their 40-hour weekly wages still well below TAG minimums) approached us early in the summer and we held multiple meetings prior to a vote for any job action.”
Those fucking unions, giving people healthcare and getting them paid for the hours they worked.
>>82788838
Regan absolutely did, but NAFTA didn't help either.
>>82788854
More like
>choosing between the Walrus vs yourself and all the other carpenters
But if there's one thing we know Americans hate it's being a part of a team. Why support each other when we've got our bootstraps to support us while our employees refuse to pay us? After all, when we totally inevitably bootstrap our way to fame and fortune we want to make sure we can leech money out of all the suckers too.
>>82788868
>If I knew they were unhappy we would have done something about it.
That's not how it works. A work environment isn't a fucking frat house. You don't simply "walk to the boss and talk it out".
Find out if your employees are okay, and if not,why. That's YOUR responsibility. Employees aren't just something you pay and then forget about.
>>82788729
>it's almost as if people are complex and capable of having positive traits as well as negative ones.
Underrated post.
God forbid someone be more than a 200 character sound bite.
As foreigner, it always weirded me out how America is based on these principles of individual rights, freedom and equal opportunity, yet it's highly anti-union, hates anything with that has even a slight hint of socialism and goes fucking rabid when the subject is free healthcare for every citizen.
It's like you're either a hardworking family man with good morals, or an absolute useless scum of a welfare leech.
Unions slow down progress and technology integration making businesses struggle to compete in a global market
desu
>>82787461
>Why did he hate unions?
because he who wears the crown and wields the key to the magic kingdom must never be opposed.
>>82789080
That's true. And that's not bad.
We've been taught to think slow industrial progress is the absolute worst thing for a nation because that's what the oligarchies, the big investors, want us to think.
This isn't some tin-foil hat conspiracy bullshit, it's literally how our world works.
>>82788868
You're right, its my Bush II years making me think of Clinton as all roses again.
Even Hilary admitted NAFTA was a bad deal while we eagerly pursue worse deals both against and with China in congress ha ha ha kill me.
>>82789072
we've been pissing on our forefather's ideals with the desperate hope of 'making it' dangled over everyone who lives in poverty as a way to keep 'The Poors' from waking up and realizing that the way we run this country is one giant ring of scams within scams. States Rights keep the Federal Government from noticing local abuses, and the way congressmen stay funded explicitly keeps them from ever meeting poor people unless on the campaign trail.
One of the big fucking jokes of Trumps run at the presidency is promising 1%ers that he'll erase the social security system when shit like war veterans pensions are tied into that system. If you want an armed rebellion in the nation please, by all means, get rid of food stamps, get rid of social security. See just how long it takes joe average to realize he has nothing left to lose and get that hunting shotgun he's got lying around out and finally take his frustrations out on those cops who keep ticketing his pickup truck.
>>82789080
Because half the time all that stuff punishes the worker. Progress is supposed to help people, not starve them. Progress is not always good.
>>82789002
Yeah that dude sounds like a real shithead, and a liar too.
>>82789072
Because for all of America's lip service to freedom, America is a ridiculously authoritarian state. It's just that instead of the government the ones given power are corporate fiefdoms.
To the majority of America, "freedom" only means "freedom from government."
Because he was a businessman and he wanted all the money at the expense of everyone else.
>>82787703
>He ciewed his employees as a family, with himself as the stern yet loving patriarch who cannot be questioned.
Even if that were true, it would make him a disgusting narcissistic piece of shit.
>an actual political discussion with people making points and counter-points that hasn't derailed into adolescent name-calling and shit posting
late-night/morning /co/ is best /co/
Feels like 2009 again.
>Walt Disney gets shit for being 'anti-Semitic' when he almost certainly wasn't by the standards of the day
>people believe it because Seth Mcfarlane told me to and because they want to make you feel guilty for liking disney films
>the fact that Henry Ford was an actual anti-Semtitic who published an entire magazine dedicated to hating jews never gets brought up
Walt Disney was a pretty reasonable individual for his time
>>82788868
What a fucking twat. I have no idea how these two morons managed to shit out so many amazing episodes in the first season and first half of the second.
>>82789439
Henry Ford isn't as big of a pop culture icon as Walt Disney. If he was, you can bet all of his dirty laundry would be aired more often.
>>82789360
>Brazilian
>tfw just watched the extreme right manipulate by foreign investors remove the populist president in an intricate coup and replace it with their puppet boy while the corporate owned media brainwashes hundreds of millions of my countrymen into thinking this was all for the best
The feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... suicidal
>>82789385
trump literally says whatever pops into his head at the moment and can't be trusted to do anything. If he somehow makes president nothing will change, it'll be Bush Jr all over again.
>>82788729
>Every story you hear of people who personally interacted with him paints him as a decently down to earth, personable human being.
This doesn't mean anything. Most assholes can put on a show of being decent and personable human beings when they want to. I bet if you hung out with Hitler at a public event or whatever he'd seem like the bee's knees.
>>82789072
>of individual rights, freedom and equal opportunity
>implying these aren't anti-union ideals.
but that makes sense though. unions are about getting a job based on your ranking in the union rather than the individual. pro union people are so deluded that they don't care that the unions are the mafia. theres no equal opportunity because union is based on your standing with the union rather than how good you are at a job. yes its great that they were pivotal in getting a minimum wage/holidays/worker benfits, but to seriously delude yourself into thinking that modern unions are anything but criminals is crazy.
>>82789492
pretty much every story of people who hung out with hitler paints him as a decent human being with good social skills actually.
you know how they started gassing jews? well on the war front they'd been executing local semitics and undesirables en masse with gunfire. Hitler visited and got splattered with blood. That made him queasy so he demanded a more 'humane' solution.
so they started using Zyklon-B which up till that point had been used to fumigate mole burrows and crap.
>>82789445
Probably the same reason that Lucas did- they had a team.
>>82789439
I always like how Song of the South gets pointed to as a reason he's racist because "le happy slave." What they don't realize is that
>Remus was a Sharecropper, not a slave
>Disney campaigned for the actor to win an Academy Award.
>The actor himself said he would't have done it if it were racist, and called out NAACP for trying to stir up shit.
Disney did a lot of bad shit, but calling him a racist is just muddling the issue.
>>82789072
Decades of propaganda and a legitimate fear of what happened to the Soviets happening here.
>>82789492
By all accounts Hitler was a pretty chill guy
>>82789506
that's not how it works. Jobs boil down to having skills and paying your union dues. Yes the union basically tells businesses that no union workers will work until the businesses capitulate that's not a crime that's negotiation. If you think modern businesses would revoke worker's wages and just pay people in bread and water while hoarding all the wealth if they could get away with it you're deluded.
people in power owe you nothing. Everyone has a racket, the police demand their cut, the army demands it's cut politicians demand their cuts. The unions level the playing field for the average person.
unsurprisingly the world is full of criminals who don't want to play fair and the law of the land is unfairly leveraged towards those in power.
>>82789506
>unions are about getting a job based on your ranking in the union rather than the individual.
My union guarantees a generous minimum wage and benefits for every member, and from there up is all about the individual. Many if not most foremen and exceptional welders I know have their own personal contracts with union companies for additional money and benefits beyond what their union membership guarantees them. Your "ranking within the union" doesn't mean shit beyond the apprentice/journeyman distinction. It's all about what you bring to the table.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are just parroting propaganda about the worst examples of unions in existence, as if every union were like that. That's like saying every government is like North Korea, therefore all government is bad. Kindly shut the fuck up.
If mods ban me for this "off-topic" post like they often do in political discussions, they better ban all the retard libertarians like yourself as well.
>>82789543
Except the problems with the Soviets weren't tied to their healthcare system and worker's rights
That's like using North Korea as an example for why Democracies or Republics don't work.
>>82789527
>Hitler visited and got splattered with blood. That made him queasy so he demanded a more 'humane' solution.
Do you just believe every anecdote your history teacher in high school told you?
I'm not making a counter-point to what you're saying, I agree with you, but that old little story probably never happened.
>>82789562
*wouldn't revoke workers wages
>>82789591
saw it in a documentary. might be true might not be. But the man was a vegetarian and syphilitic. Though it's uncertain if the vegetarianism was a product of personal distaste of gastrointestinal issues.
>>82787461
he was secretly a jew
>>82787461
It's an American tradition.
>>82789506
You're rambling now.
Are you specifically complaining about unions taking Seniority into account? Because there's a damn good reason for that.
Companies that don't allow for seniority prevent older workers from working since older workers have more pay raises. Companies prefer to hire fresh workers and burn them out, then dump them before they can get a raise.
You might think that you're better but the union exists for everyone's protection, not just your own. When you get older, you'll appreciate the protection.
Stop being so selfish and think of other people for ten seconds before you start parroting Libertarian lines.
>>82787461
Because he was the boss.
Bosses and unions are natural enemies when it comes to economics, that's the whole point of unions, to get things (that cost money) from the boss-man that he don't want to give to the workers.
Most people, let alone rich and succesful entrepreneurs, don't like having money taken from them.
I'm not sure who would be retarded enough to not understand that.
>>82787461
Because unions were ruining America.
Just look at the animation from then and animation of today.
>>82789566
I've never seen the mods ban for espousing non-Radical Right economic ideals, so we're probably good.
They only care about identity politics.
>>82789566
Mind if I ask what industry? Just out of curiosity.
>>82789528
Generally the backlash for the Uncle Remus stories is kind of....like, I'm white, I admit I don't get it.
It just feels WEIRD how the black community turned on the first published black author because he wrote kids stories.
>>82789705
bucket of crabs
>>82789611
It was propaganda. After the war his personal chef talked about some of his favorite dishes, and they were mostly meat. One that he had very often was blood pudding.
>>82789568
I am saying that is why socialism scares the crap out of a lot of Americans.
For that matter look to South America where socialist states keep trying and failing and somehow its always someone else's fault.
Like the truth, in my opinion, is that you need a bit of both approaches to make an economically equitable government. I was just trying to explain where America's fear of the radical left came from; they were our worst enemy for decades and clever politicians and oilgarchs turned that against us to set back progress made during the first labor movement.
Why aren't Unions able to fix the rampant wage fixing all throughout the animation industry? Seems like it would be their most important job.
>>82789778
Unions haven't been able to take on shit like that since the 70s, largely because companies have so successfully sold the idea of them being unnecessary.
>>82789768
>Like the truth, in my opinion, is that you need a bit of both approaches to make an economically equitable government.
Well, I think most people agree with that. There are very few people out there pushing for a full on "workers own the means of production" government.
Capitalism allows people to get things they want. That's good. But it should never come at the price of exploiting the worker.
>>82789778
they did a decent job of that in america.
the jobs were outsourced to countries where either A: there's social pressures that amount to 'shut the fuck up and do as you're told' as an acceptable ethos. (japan) Or where unions can be arrested by the police for unlawful gatherings (South Korea)
also as >>82789822 pointed out a lot of propaganda has been spat out portraying unions as old fashioned and unnecessary which hurts their negotiating power since people don't join in and help out.
>>82789822
It always gets me how people can say both
>we don't need unions anymore because they already won!
>why do you need unions if they can't do anything?
Without actually realizing what they're saying. It's like the thoughts never pass through their brain.
>>82789840
Young people are sold the idea of unions being bad at incredibly young ages in America.
I was taught that they were old fashioned and run by criminals in Social Studies in middle school.
>>82789390
>Act like a reasonable patriach/father/protector figure, what any real leader should aspire to be for the peoples whom accepted to be under his yoke (in the current context, company)
>This is considered narcissism and utterly reprehensible behavior
M'kay... Hope you never run a company on your own kid.
Also speaking from personal experience in many companies and corporation : Unions are complete shit because its a fucking meritocracy where the same bunch of veteran employee keep all the influence among themselves and their close-knitted buddies, eagerly stirring up shit and pushing for their own selfish interest or political opinions whenever convenient, with such humongous egos they genuinely believe that the entire syndicate support them in their folly. Also the tribelike behavior of defending the syndicated employees no matter what the context or circumstance create a very toxic environment where everyone have to follow in line with what the syndic leader say, else he get called a dissident scum who do not have the best interest of his comrades at hearth and his life within the company goes down the shitter, which of course will never be called since you'd be singled out of the ''common good'' that is the syndic.
Last place I worked where there was an union, the 2 shittiest employee were the president of the syndic and the representative (because for some reason you both need a president AND a representative within a -<100 employees company. ), both of them had unreasonable work ethics, were best bud with each others and at every notice disregarded the application of the syndicate rules to faulty employees that were in their favor, while being merciless to others. I.e: They would never shy away from giving some insulting or disrespectful comments to others employees but you had to be extremely respectuous to them else you'd get a visit from the big boss about verbal hasrassment or some shit afterward.
>>82788664
>Nowadays, we have ... a robust body of labor laws, and public institutions like EEOC to legal action for workers rights.
and thats all thanks to unions and their lobbyists. do you really think corporations would want employee protections that cut into their bottom line codified into law? and these laws are being challenged and or weakened every day.
>>82790128
A boss isn't a patriarch. He's paying for work-hours, for labor. It's a transaction.
You're responsible for the welfare of your employees while they're working for you, yes, but you're not a "father figure". That IS a narcissist way of viewing the employer/employee relation.
>>82790128
>Also speaking from personal experience
Which means nothing when we're talking actual facts. I'm sorry you had a really shitty experience, but that's not representative of Unions as a whole.
>>82789080
by your logic all that growth and progress in the 50s and 60s when unions were probably at their strongests shouldnt have happened
>>82790133
Then the union's should focus on upholding what they have achieved rather then pusing for what's not needed
>>82790128
A boss is not your father. Your father cares about you. Your boss does not.
Your boss only cares about what he can exploit from you.
>>82790293
What is "not needed" here? People to be payed what they are owed?
>>82787461
Because he had common sense.
>>82789390
>Even if that were true, it would make him a disgusting narcissistic piece of shit.
Have you seen Disney World?
>>82790193
I have difficulty understanding what it is you're angry about... Like you are mixing up two entirely unrelated things together but don't realize it yourself... Or putting words where there aren't any, thus coming to your own made up conclusion about what I'm talking about.
When was it ever implied that he acted as an authority figure for peoples who weren't his employees? Or that his influence got any further than the company itself? Or is it that you believe a boss have absolutely no connection with his employees beyond the pay and the fact that they do labor for him, when in reality its the complete opposite, with the state of the company being a direct representative of the close-knitted cooperation between the different echelon of employees inside of it since it would affect the overall production and profitability? An employees who know who his boss is in person and understand the extent of his influence within the company has far more incentive to give a shit about the quality of his work than the others who is aware of his boss existence only by name and title.
Also fuck you, you obviously have no idea what narcissism is even about and probably only calling Disney such because you saw some internet articles calling him such or you're just baiting. If you even believe for a fucking moment than to act with benevolence to those who accepted to be ruled by your ways of thing ( by their own FUCKING will since they are his employees and they can fuck off whenever they want to find another job) is narcissism then you're a genuine idiot talking out of his ass.
>>82787461
Because he felt unions were a gateway to socialism and communism.
>>82790536
Did you read what you wrote? Can you even read?
>>82790536
A boss can have a connection beyond pay. Or he may also not have a connection beyond pay.
Both are fine.
And both are irrelevant to the boss looking into worker conditions and ensuring their welfare.
That should happen independently of him being a father figure or not.
Simply put, getting along with your boss shouldn't be a requirement for your boss looking out for you.
>>82789913
A lot of them are run by criminals. Criminals can be very effective negotiators. That kind of shit seems great until suddenly several billion dollars are missing from the retirement fund.
Unions are ridiculously useful, but they can be used for both good and bad.
>>82790536
>Act like a reasonable patriach/father/protector figure, what any real leader should aspire to be for the peoples whom accepted to be under his yoke (in the current context, company)
A boss is not a patriarch, father, or protector. A boss is a person with whom you trade work for money. A boss has no right to be a part of your life.
>>82790600
Great comeback m8, but you forgot the very important part that have to point out what it is in what I said that bother you so much. Try again please.
>>82790622
>unions are bad because someone might do a crime maybe
you mean just like businesses do every day?
>>82790681
You didn't make any point at all. You just vomited on the screen. How can somebody type so much and still say nothing?
>>82790330
Well for one the constant bullshit over what workers can and can't do
>>82790691
At no point in time did I say or imply Unions were bad. I was just point out that you take the good with the bad. I went to college on a Union scholarship. My father was able to have a high standard of living for the first half of his life thanks to union work. He lost a lot of his retirement due to crooks at the top, but it's still a massive net benefit for him and all its members.
>>82790615
>Simply put, getting along with your boss shouldn't be a requirement for your boss looking out for you
>Simply put, getting along with your employees shouldn't be a requirement for your employees looking out for you
It's like you commies kiddies fail to understand that a company survival depend just as much on the employees quality of work on the field than the boss managements of said quality of work. It's like you guys don't understand that the very definition of a company is the fact that it is the CO-OPERATION of the entity by the employees and the employer that allow it to survive. If one side start to act like the entire world revolve around his ass that is when troubles start.
>>82790761
You're not allowed to take your own trash out in some offices. The custodial service has to. But let's say you do. Let's say everyone does. Now there's no need for custodial service, so they're fired. Now you're expected to take out your own trash, in addition to your own duties.
That's just an example. It can extend to any job. Taking on extra duties fucks both you and the people whose job it is over. Every rule unions have exist because sometime, somewhere, an employer has used it as a method to fuck somebody out of a job.
>>82789445
>>82788868
I mean, sure, you might not like Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon for being strict
but the other side of the coin is Bryke producing a literal clip-show as the penultimate episode in the Legend of Korra out of fears of "having to lay people off."
Remember, you don't go into art for the money. You go into art to make great art.
If you have to compromise on artistic vision to keep one or two jobs, then you're doing it wrong.
>>82787732
How the fuck are unions communist?
They could literally only exist within a capitalist society.
>>82790880
The rights of employees are objectively more important than the rights of the employers.
>>82790910
>what are public unions
>>82790899
>Remember, you don't go into art for the money. You go into art to make great art.
This attitude is literal cancer, and is what has resulted in artists being systematically taken advantage of.
If it's between taking advantage of people and having a clip show, then the clip show is far and away the better option. Roiland and Harmon are objectively bad people, and it should come as no surprise that Adult Swim edgelords are also politically repulsive.
>>82790910
Anything that helps the worker = dem evil Reds trying to corrupt our youths
>>82790880
Getting along with your employer =/= doing your work properly
Getting along with your employees =/= providing them with what you're required to
I don't have to like you to fulfill what my contract states I have to.
>have to choose between getting fucked over by the company or getting fucked over by the union
Why isn't there a choice to just not get fucked over at all?
>>82791021
>This attitude is literal cancer, and is what has resulted in artists being systematically taken advantage of.
Artists are free to sell their skills to the highest bidder. If they can't get paid enough for their skills, then perhaps they should consider another profession.
>If it's between taking advantage of people and having a clip show, then the clip show is far and away the better option
Ah, so you don't care about art, you just want bloated paychecks. Gotcha.
>>82790926
Okay, either you're just baiting at this point, or you've incredibly stupid.
>>82790910
You cannot be this retarded, please...
>>82791165
not an argument
>>82788688
No one today - CEOs are mercenaries who bounce from company to company and want nothing more than to drive down costs and drive up profits for shareholders. But 80 years ago? Things were different. Corporate presidents looked after their employees - which wasn't always a good thing, because they inevitably saw their ideals as being what was best for everyone and expected them to live whatever sort of lifestyle they approved of. Live in the company house in the company town, buy at the company store, send your kids to the company school, worship at the company church. Which is part of why they were so often afraid of unions - not the modern excuses of increased costs, but because they wouldn't be able to indulge themselves with the delusion that they knew what was best for their hundreds or thousands of employees.
>>82790622
Used to work for frito lay. Everyone wad unionized at the warehouse I worked. After a few years there we de-unionized. After the union was gone, people started to get better raises and benefits.
>>82791124
Because you have a cute butt. Someone's gonna fuck you over whether you like it or not. So, just pick the one that's more likely to stroke your hair and tell you that you're beautiful.
>>82791397
But what if im into being degraded
>>82789260
>One of the big fucking jokes of Trumps run at the presidency is promising 1%ers that he'll erase the social security system
but he's been talking about saving social security since the beginning of his campaign
>>82791458
Trump is the most liberal american candidate with a chance.
Let that sink in.
>>82787940
The anti-Semite charges were due to a best selling book on Disney(forgot the title). It appeared that the author was an ex-employee with an axe to grind. The guy was not a jew hater like Henry Ford.
>>82789689
Pipefitting.
>>82791124
A union is much less likely to fuck you over than a company. It's not even close. Don't buy into Republican propaganda. They're wannabe cucks who get off on letting the rich have everything.
>>82791165
explain to me please what is wrong with putting the rights of the employed (I.E. the people with less money and usually in a greater position to have their livelihood destroyed by mismanagement) ahead of those of the employer (usually someone who has investment capital and a nest egg)
>>82790899
>being strict
You mean being a greedy scumbag.
>but the other side of the coin is Bryke producing a literal clip-show as the penultimate episode in the Legend of Korra out of fears of "having to lay people off."
Laying people off is fine. It's a necessary evil of business. Taking advantage of your employees is not fine and it is not necessary. You are comparing things that are totally different from each other.
>>82792089
Nothing is wrong with that. He's just a little bitch libertarian who thinks he's going to be rich someday so he bases his moral values around sucking rich cock. He's a cuck, basically.
>>82788766
>Capitalism
>Authoritarian
Nigga do you even Adam Smith? The reason government is supposed to stay out of markets is to prevent cronyism/authoritarianism.
>>82787752
>>82787940
>>82787965
>>82787989
>>82788008
From what I heard, a huge part of the reason he hated the Jews was because they were his main competition and they were constantly blocking him in all of his financial endeavors. He might not have hated the Jews like the Nazi and KKK hate the Jews, for him it was more they always got in his way.
Now he DID hate African-Americans with a passion. He released the Jungle Book with its message of "You have to stay with your own people, the jungle might seem fun and the monkeys playful, but you have to stay with your own kind!" at the height of the debate on segregation in America.
>>82790899
look I've been on the receiving end of downsizing and layoffs.
shit sucks but it's a necessary part of business.
and honestly?
>Remember, you don't go into art for the money. You go into art to make great art.
seriously? you're gonna try that line off bullshit? You go into art because you're good at it and want to get paid to produce the thing you enjoy doing. I'm an indie game dev in my off time, if I'm lucky my project will give me money, if not oh well I made something nice and it might get me into more lucrative projects.
what exactly is wrong with turning something you enjoy doing into a profitable venture? The line of bullshit you just spouted is the oldest 'do unpaid overtime or else' bit of propaganda there is. It's blunt emotional manipulation meant to get people to burn themselves out so the employer can collect more profits and exploit more workers.
>>82792107
Layoffs, though bad, also provide people with unemployment benefits, and a developed union helps get them back to work. Whining about unions while actively overworking your workers is objectively worse than laying people off.
What I don't get is why that guy is mad because the creator of a show chose to give a clip show over firing his employees. If he supports businesses making decisions, shouldn't he support the business's right to not fire people?
>>82792089
Because muh bootstraps parasites freedumbs personal responsibility
The actual answer is that Americans are told that everyone who isn't rich is a lazy theif except themselves, so supporting anyone but themselves is giving free money to people who don't deserve it.
In America, people are told that you are expected to suffer if you want to survive
>>82787940
Considering communism is a jewish invention, sure.
>>82792239
Capitalism is about free enterprise. Unsurprisingly in a capitalist economy those with the most capital acquire more capital. The system may not be founded on authoritarianism but that's the logical result.
Those who have money make money. Those with the most money horde it and use it to effect the government. The united states isn't a democracy it's an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy.
You can't have a capitalist democracy, the two are inherently incompatible.
>>82791124
Think of it this way. A company's goal is to fuck you over. They exist for the benefit of the people at the top, not for you. A union's goal is to unfuck you. They exist for the benefit of you. Some unions are corrupt, yes, but saying that this makes unions bad is like saying sex without a condom is safer than sex with a condom because condoms break sometimes.
That's how ridiculous being anti-union is, unless you're a selfish business owner. In which case, unions are bad for you because they protect other people from you fucking them over.
>>82792057
>>82792410
Yeah, but wouldn't it be great if there was no chance you'd get fucked at all?
>>82792280
>What I don't get is why that guy is mad because the creator of a show chose to give a clip show over firing his employees. If he supports businesses making decisions, shouldn't he support the business's right to not fire people?
I support good works of art, not maintaining employment for employees who aren't needed
Unions are only necessary in companies run by liberals.
>>82792239
>Nigga do you even Adam Smith? The reason government is supposed to stay out of markets is to prevent cronyism/authoritarianism.
Nice appeal to authority, dumbfuck.
>>82792434
find a different species. Humans have been fucking each other over since we developed a barter system.
>>82792456
This statement is so ridiculous I can only assume it's a deliberate troll.
>>82792461
Microsoft didn't start sending lobbyists to DC until DC started sending regulators to Microsoft.
>>82792438
Well, the artist thought differently, so you'll have to take that up with him.
>>82792410
A union's goal is to benefit its leadership and any help given to actual workers is just a means to that end.
The more money you make the less money you want to pay your employees. But then of course there is the flipside where the unions have too much power which leads to AC assembly line workers making $24 an hour.
So what this thread has told me is that Unions are like the Mafia that will 'protect' you while all US employers are Slavers
>>82788770
Okay Harvey dent
>>82792497
The majority of major corporations try to exploit labor and scree over people.
The majority of corporations are run by democrats.
Therefore, unions are only a necessity because liberals are the ones constantly trying to antagonize workers.
>>82792526
you haven't even the slightest clue as to the conditions that coders function under do you?
Unions have been the driving force of technological innovation in this country for decades.
The next time you see a machine taking the place of a person's job, remember to thank your local teamsters chapter.
>>82792639
surprise surprise the world is one great big racket and you can join a gang or get fucked over.
>>82792639
>So what this thread has told me is that Unions are like the Mafia that will 'protect' you while all US employers are Slavers
Some people just hate the idea of making enough cash to live a comfortable life with a mere eight hours of work.
>>82792718
>want more pay and fair hours
>lose your job to a machine or someone in another country
Almost like unions put the cart before the horse.
>>82792670
>liberal
>democrat
I'm not sure you understand either of these words.
>>82792755
It doesn't help that a lot of unions actually are a front for the mob.
>>82792782
Whatever helps you avoid taking responsibility for your poisonous ideology.
>>82792718
won't it be great when corporations finally develop machines and the labor and service industries mostly cease to exist? Then everyone can live in gated communities while the poors squabble over scraps like the rabid animals they are.
>>82792837
>poisonous idealogy
and what ideology would that be exactly? I sincerely doubt you actually understand the difference between democrats, rebublicans, socialists, communists, conservatives, liberals, or any other ideology.
>>82792089
The whole problem is that you feel that a business owner is less of a person if they have money. What about the small time employer who takes home less then his employees at the end of the year because he's struggling hard to grow his business?
I know I'm a little off topic, but everyone should be entitled to the same consideration, maybe even evil fat cats.
>>82792639
People are selfish assholes. Everyone wants what's best for themselves first and foremost, but when your job is to look out for other people you should be called on your bullshit.
>>82787461
He believed they were used for communist/Soviet subversion.He was right as was McCarthy
Because the only true UNION is the lawful union between a man and a woman in holy matrimony you degenerate tr*ns h*m* scum.
>>82790600
Other anon here, the age difference between you two is sooo glaringly obvious
>>82792434
We don't have the technology to create benevelent robot overlords yet. And they probably wouldn't be benevolent anyway.
>>82788664
Considering that the courts have historically been lax in enforcing and post New Deal, Congress has been outright hostile to workers' rights, no.
It's a nice feeling to know you can work without being harassed.
>>82787461
Because he was a megalomaniacal fuck who patronized everyone because he thought of them like his kids. His view of the labor movement was both a betrayal and refutation by ungrateful workers; he was a narcissist of the highest order and he couldn't deal with such a challenge to his ego.
Daily reminder that McCarthy was right. Soviet spies had infiltrated Hollywood.
>>82791021
>You don't go into plumbing to make money, you do it because you love the smell of shit.
>>82788664
The damage caused to the economy by protecting a handful of shitty workers isn't really comparable to the damage done by shitty banking business models, Anon.
Just because a worker and a company are both considered persons doesn't mean that they stand on equal grounds, either in court or in terms of how much damage protecting them from bad decisions will do to the economy at large.
>>82791124
You could always go independant and hope you make a very, very succesful product that thousands are willing to pay good money for.
>>82789543
>Decades of propaganda and a legitimate fear of what happened to the Soviets happening here.
There only thing the US and Russia share is that they're both continental colonial Empires.
And Alaska.
>>82794109
>And Alaska.
Man, I can't wait for Putin to start sinking cash into Sarah Palin so that he can eventually reclaim that ancient piece of Russian soil.
>>82789475
>Dilma
>coup
Temer is terrible, but please, no. Every impeachment happens under arbitrary reasons, in balance with negative public opinion and some thin hole in the law.
Yes, every other politician before her made the taxes delayed to the banks. But still a crime, and they caught her on that.
People did not care, not because they are "brainwashed", but because Dilma fucked they all on their asses. She literally cancelled a whole lot of workers right in her FIRST day in reelection, while constructing stadiums under protected reserves and passing the law who calls any form of protest as "terrorism".
What the fuck do you expected?
Temer is just Dilma 2.5
Unions mean you can't keep a vice like grip on the balls of everyone you work for, and you don't make as much money because you have to pay for frivolous things like their "health" and "happiness".
>>82793853
McCarthy never caught any spies and the people whose lives he ruined weren't spies.
Reminder that McCarthy was worse than the communists but retards still defend and support him.
>>82794271
shut the fuck up boco
but I agree with every word you said
>>82794449
Yes sir...
>>82794224
You're just spouting ready-made arguments people keep using on facebook and other shitty places.
It was most definitely a very well orchestrated coup, anyone who actually knows how things work in our chamber of deputies and senate can tell you that.
Fiscal irresponsibility should never be the basis for a fucking impeachment, and it wasn't, they just made it look like that. DIlma's unpopularity was 100% orchestrated by the media. The president doesn't have the right just DECIDE ON STUFF, he's a representative. The truth is that she actually pushed for way more social projects and worker rights, but got shot down by the PMDB committee. Temer himself fucking shot down dozens of projects while he was her VP.
The pure simple truth is that what she was doing in office was bad for foreign investors, they were ticked off by where she was trying to steer the country, but because of stupid decisions and alliances PT made throughout their years in office, they got fucked over, since most of those allies are actually part of the great oligarchies that effect basically everything big in our country.
This was never, not even slightly, about her popularity with the Brazilian people. Temer himself has less than 5% approval rate. PMDB doesn't have a single candidate that would be democratically elected by the people.
This was literally a coup d'état And fuck off with those shitty facebook memes.
And look at animation now! Everything is animated overseas to avoid unions and shows are cancelled after three seasons to avoid union-mandated wage increases.
>>82793853
yeah and the american government on every level.
McCarthy never caught a single spy, he stirred up terror, ruined people's live and did no good at any level.
you to catch spies? leave that to the FBI, CIA, or any number of military intelligence divisions.
>>82792259
This don't prove nothing, it's like that article sayng that green eggs and han was about rape.
Walt was racist, but he didn't hated blacks. he was just ignorant about they should be trated
>>82789080
>struggle to compete in a global market
A global market where Bangladeshi factory workers get crushed to death because their building is made of popsicle sticks and South American union organizers get murdered and the police never bother to figure out who killed them
>>82793196
No not really. The small business owner is getting fucked because the political climate favors large corporations. If I have to choose between 1 small business owner and 10 normal employees I'll choose the 10 normal employees who are employed by a massive corporation who basically has to be forced to give people a living wage at legislative gunpoint.
The very idea that a small business owner will take away less than his employees is absurd in and of itself. Why is he in business then? How is he paying these people? Where did he get his starting capital? If you have a business either you run it and make a profit (however minor) or you're driven out of business by your competitors.
That's how a free market works.
you want a free market? Or one with protectionist practices that keep small business owners up and running? You can't have both. In that environment I will always favor the employee over the employer.
you want a society more conducive to small businesses? Consider taxation that punishes the disproportionately wealthy and passes on those taxes as relief to the less fortunate. Surely your small business owners would be among the less fortunate in this scenario?
>>82794606
>>82794756
>>82794759
/co/ bringing the heat
>>82794832
/co/ is the real Red Son.
>>82794527
>ready-made arguments
>proceed to repeat the IT'S A COUP fallacy
You REALLY think the only reason people starting hating Dilma was because of Globo? Holy shit, wake up.
A economical crisis on the country started, and she elected herself as the one who would save the country from it, while saying that in doing so no "past victories" would be sacrificed.
But surprise, surprise. She allied with PMDB, and, right in her first day, she started "cutting" every single social project PT used to shout they created (even if not 100% true). In the middle of that the economical crisis started getting from bad to worse, and all she did was a repetitive speech that "there was no crisis", claiming the EVIL MEDIA was inventing it.
Then Dilma started passing laws against social movements, sometimes the exactly same movements who elected her on the presidential cabinet to begin with. So if you are lost, Dilma managed to enrage all social classes, losing all allied parties of left while getting bombed by the right wing, as usual.
But wait, it gets worse, in the middle of all that LOTS of scandals from Lava-Jato operations started popping out, with many PT high names involved. It was the gap everyone wanted to impeachment. And it worked.
But if you think PMDB together with THE MEDIA orchestrated every single aspect of Dilma's fail (along with PT), you are delusional.
Dilma allied with the wrong party, made the wrong decisions, said the wrong things and lied to the end in her term of office.
She had it coming.
>>82792259
>You have to stay with your own people, the jungle might seem fun and the monkeys playful, but you have to stay with your own kind!
Whites are going through a genocide right now, he was right.
>>82794527
>It was most definitely a very well orchestrated coup
>investigation of 2 years
>5 elections under the 3 powers
>coup
>Fiscal irresponsibility should never be the basis for a fucking impeachment
It is crime of responsibility, dumbass. And yes, the concept it's vague. But still a crime.
>The president doesn't have the right just DECIDE ON STUFF, he's a representative
Oh, wow. You know that much of politics, don't you?
>anyone who actually knows how things work in our chamber of deputies and senate can tell you that.
yeah, yeah, Jean Willys said so...
>Temer himself has less than 5% approval rate. PMDB doesn't have a single candidate that would be democratically elected by the people.
>implying Temer will still president
>Implying everyone in the senate likes him, or PMDB rats
>implying the masses are satisfied with him being the president
Wait and see.
>>82788135
Because there is nothing legit about it.
>>82794759
>The very idea that a small business owner will take away less than his employees is absurd in and of itself.
Well fuck you, because that's me. I have 3 employees who, together make 4 times what I do in take home. I live above the office, I eat well, and I have no debt, but I make very little money for myself.
I do what I do because I can live this way and I feel I do a service to my community, providing cheap repair work on just about everything.
Not everyone is a piece of shit who only cares about money. A lot of people are, but not everyone.
>>82796834
then you're in the minority and will make no difference to society at large.
Congratulations you're a decent human being, assuming you aren't lying on an anonymous image board for fake internet points.
The current political climate does not favor you. Why in gods name you would ever consider making less than your employees I don't know. You'll either be driven out of business or continue to provide a service to your community until you're inevitably driven out of business or stop giving a fuck and start living according to the apparent prevailing ethos of 'make as much profit as possible and get away clean.'
No I don't care that you provide a service to your community. You don't deserve my consideration because local business concerns are bleeding me dry and forcing me to work at less than a living wage just so I can even exist. If legislation that gets me a living wage destroys your livelihood but saves the livelihood of 10 other people then that is a net gain to society.
don't like it? blame your congressmen. It's a free market and america is only the land of the free if you can pay for it.
>>82796834
You seem like a decent bloke. I'm glad you found something to make a living on that you enjoy.
>>82787752
>>82787940
Well, seeing some of the decisions made by Jewish members of the Disney board of directors, his anti-semitism might be justified.
>>82796834
I don't believe you.
The fact that you are arguing against worker rights in favor of employer rights makes your argument more than suspect.
Even if you are being honest. You CHOOSE to do that. That's not Big Gubmint keeping you down.
>>82792774
>want more pay for fair hours
>bosses whine to the government to let them buy dirt farmer slaves in China to avoid selling in the US
The real solution is to repeal free trade agreements and sanction companies that use foreign labor
>>82788008
Then why did he use the Sherman brothers to write songs for his movies?
>>82794296
>>82794606
>In October 1947, Lauren Bacall joined a group of high-profile Hollywood actors, writers, and producers for a major public-relations trip to Washington. The group’s stated goal was to defend the First Amendment freedoms of their accused friends and colleagues—accused, that is, of being communists dedicated to infiltrating the motion-picture industry as a means to peddle propaganda. The accused were summoned before the House Committee on Un-American Activities as “unfriendly” witnesses. (For the record, Senator Joe McCarthy had absolutely nothing to do with this.)
>Unbeknownst to Lauren Bacall and friends, nearly every single one of the accused was a closet communist formally pledged to Stalin’s Soviet Union. When these individuals joined Communist Party USA, they swore a loyalty oath to strive to “ensure the triumph of Soviet power in the United States.” They were committed to what CPUSA general secretary William Z. Foster openly called a “Soviet America,” or what other hope-filled comrades called a “United Soviet States of America” (USSA).
http://spectator.org/60253_when-bogie-and-bacall-were-duped-hollywood-communists/
The same reason why every businessman hates unions
>>82788004
>>82789705
Joel Chandler Harris was a white dude.
>>82797938
>The fact that you are arguing against worker rights in favor of employer rights makes your argument more than suspect.
Was I ? I don't feel like I was. I was just saying you can't paint all business owners with a broad brush. I'm actually very pro Union. My family have been in various construction Unions for generations.
But I'm completely again this kind of shit: >>82797038
I don't believe that ruling bodies should 'maximize happiness' or 'help the most people possible' or whatever else that guy was spouting. It's basically tyranny of the masses. I'd rather my representatives made decisions based on principles, preferably principles similar to my own, but I'll take what I can get.
>>82797938
>Even if you are being honest. You CHOOSE to do that. That's not Big Gubmint keeping you down.
Never said it was. I'm pretty happy with my life and, hopefully it'll get better.
>>82799136
"Tyranny of the masses" does not exist. Anything other than doing what the most people agree with is literal tyranny, though.
>>82788329
Most people who worked with Walt went on account to say he wasn't anti-Semite or racist.
In fact I think one person said and I quote, "Walt Disney was many things, greedy, hotheaded, prideful but a racist is not one of those things."
I'm not sure who said it but I remember reading up about it.
>>82789768
To be fair, when a South American nation tries socialism or any leftist government in the past, it got shut down on the international community and the local elite used the press for 24/7 since the fist day for making a coup d'etat. It isn't that bad nowadays because USA lost influence after the Iraq war and the failed 2002 coup d'etat on Venezuela but still pretty bad. The far right dominates all the media and politicians are incompetent in general
>>82799136
>tyranny of the masses
The term you are looking for is tyranny of the majority. That doesn't apply here however. Unions don't have enough influence and power to be able to ignore minority opinion.
>>82792259
>Now he DID hate African-Americans with a passion. He released the Jungle Book with its message of "You have to stay with your own people, the jungle might seem fun and the monkeys playful, but you have to stay with your own kind!" at the height of the debate on segregation in America.
Modern liberals agree. See safe spaces.
Disney was ahead of his own time
>>82792791
The comic book industry had contacts with the mob and many contracts were made with the help of gangsters aka intimidation but anons don't complain, in fact they side with the industry
>>82796834
> I have 3 employees who, together make 4 times what I do in take home.
so you have to combine all your employees salaries - net salaries by the way since you said take home vs your net - in order for your argument to work. whats your gross? is it more than your employees combined?
>>82787461
Combination of ignorance, and differences at the time. We all should be wary of hindsight being 2020 and performing armchair judgments, when the information we have today just not carry with it the emotional weight and necessary context of the time.
>>82788135
The two main things people point to as evidence of his anti-semitism is that he hated unions and supported the blacklist, which history now sees as basically just anti-semitic thing under the thin veil of being "anti-commie". More damningly than that, he gave a personal tour of the Disney studios to Leni Riefenstahl, although he claimed he didn't know what she was all about at the time.
He also helped oppose the nazis, had many jewish friends, and donated to jewish charities, so it's kinda up in the air. My personal opinion is that he was a mostly apolitical capitalist mogul who hated unions, but I don't see a lot to support the idea that he hated jews outright.
Because unions suck. Their creation was unnecessary & their cult-like existence perpetuates evil.
>>82787461
Animators form a union
>animation has been treated only for children or cheap low brow comedy for adults by everyone despite it being around for decades
video games have no union
>have progressed rapidly in the eyes of the public. Many games approach themes that animation doesn't even bother with
>>82803673
You forgot
>the video game industry is in a constant state of crunch and burns out employees in 3-5 years
>>82803673
What does that have to do with workers' rights?
>>82798235
This sure doesn't sound the least bit biased no sir.
>>82792259
Floyd Norman would disagree with you
>>82804568
They'll all say it's worth it though since the alternative is losing their jobs. Plus they can always go indie and still get a chance to receive lot of attention. Independent animation is barely a thing.
>>82805243
>Documented history is biased now.
>>82805806
Uh, no, they don't. I work in the games industry. Most people come in, get overworked, and leave to do anything else. Nobody thinks it's worth it.
>indie
Still takes a ton of money for anything respectable, and rarely gets attention.
Don't talk about shit you don't understand, nigger.
>>82805806
The funny thing here is that they all lose their jobs anyway after 2 years
>>82806483
There are websites that say the moon landing was faked too, doesn't mean they're not batshit nuts.
You come back with a website that doesn't sound like a tabloid and I'll actually read it.
>>82792434
>Yeah, but wouldn't it be great if there was no chance you'd get fucked at all?
sounds like my life so far
>>82790888
>Taking on extra duties fucks both you and the people whose job it is over.
Because it makes more financial sense to have executives making hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a year take time out of their day to clean their offices, along with normal office workers making 50K+, than to hire a fucking cleaning service so the people who keep the business afloat can stay as productive as possible. It's almost like management aren't complete retards and realizing fucking their employees in the ass isn't the most profitable way to do business.
>>82807479
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>82788736
Do you really think that if we dissolve unions "when everything is fine" they'll magically reform without trouble in an instant to step in when there IS a problem?
Do you know how much money and pressure on employees companies put towards stopping unions from forming?
People are fired for even mentioning the idea of forming a union and companies enact policies to spread misinformation and threats aggressively through managers.
>>82791606
I sort of cringed at the "woman card" comment because that could be misinterpreted, but yeah he IS more likely to do better for woman than Hillary.
She's taken money from Saudi Arabia. That alone puts her below Trump in terms of progress.
>>82792239
Do you even Adam Smith?
>>82787703
Bull-fucking-shit, you need to quit reading Disney propaganda, motherfucker.
He viewed his employees as fucking robotic slave workers who were lucky to have a job just like literally EVERY other goddamned employer then and now.
Fuck you and TRIPLE fuck Walt Disney. He might have played a good lovable old man in his self-produced shows and interviews but he was a ruthless cunt in the boardroom.
These fucking cunts are all the same, and idiots like you feed into their sick delusions and lies.
>>82808008
Among other things
>>82788135
When it comes to Anti-Semitism, Bubula, the accusation weighs more than any evidence ever could.
>>82788350
Even Saving Mr. Banks couldn't make him entirely without fault and that was a goddamn propaganda piece. He was super fucking oldschool and that kindly old grandpa persona had a hard limit.
>>82788177
Dude, did you miss the last 40 years of fucking History?
The unions are all just greedy lawyers now, they fuck over both sides in every dispute and steal everything for themselves.
We need a fucking union to protect us from the fucking union.
>>82806635
You'll dismiss anything that bursts your narrative as a "tabloid".
>>82788329
>Historical accounts from people close to him and co-workers don't count as proof?
Not even fucking close, dipshit.
Personal testimony is the weakest form of evidence, by itself, it ALWAYS gets thrown out and rightly fucking so, even if it's 100% true, it's unverifiable and therefore false.
Do you understand why this is so fucking important? Do you understand why this is more important than the lives of a billion children?
>>82808268
I'll never understand the flat tax meme. Who the fuck actually thinks that's fair?
>>82788396
Making money is fine.
Making money by fucking over your own employees, nickle-and-diming them at every fucking conceivable opportunity, and just generally acting like a tin-pot dictator just because you own a company doesn't make you a moneymaking success jerk, it makes you an un-American commie cunt.
>>82788821
>The fact that americans have internalized anti-union bullshit and accepted that they deserve to be taken advantage of is why America is a walking corpse of a nation.
The unions DID take advantage of us, you evil fucking lying cunt! That's why we're anti-union now!
You had a fucking sacred trust and you SQUANDERED it. You'll never get it back, FUCK YOU, DIE.
Everything that the unions have lost, they threw it away.
>>82810279
>Making money by fucking over your own employees, nickle-and-diming them at every fucking conceivable opportunity, and just generally acting like a tin-pot dictator just because you own a company doesn't make you a moneymaking success jerk, it makes you an un-American commie cunt.
But you just described how America was made
>>82788722
Union bosses aren't workers, you fucking liar.
Union bosses are rich lawyers who get richer and richer and richer every fucking year along with the company while the employees get poorer and poorer.
The unions are just a convenient depository for bribes. The company pays them off and they both screw the workers together.
Stop living in a fucking dreamland. Real life isn't like a Hollywood movie about Norma Rae.
>>82810069
More and more you sound like a conspiracy theorist.
>>82788729
Oh yeah, you're right, let's let all the murderers and rapists go free, they're complex people with lots of positive and negative traits.
>>82788766
>capitalism is inherently authoritarian and antidemocratic by it's nature.
You fail Economics 101.
Capitalism is literally the exact fucking goddamned opposite of whatever you think it is, stupid.
>>82794527
>Fiscal irresponsibility should never be the basis for a fucking impeachment
I don't know how things work in banana land but holy shit do you listen to yourself talk? Fucking up hardcore is a perfectly good reason to get fired.
>>82788774
You're fucking naive, because you're fucking 20 years old and you've never BEEN in a union, you've only been a college student where your professors told you the standard Rockefeller Foundation curriculum.
You think the unions are on your side, well guess what, the truth is, NOBODY and NOTHING is on your side. If you can't protect your rights on your own, nobody else is going to do it for you, so you just don't have any rights.
You're a fucking serf and no union is ever going to change that, they EXIST to keep you enslaved by convincing you you're getting free.
And all you have to do is keep paying your dues, and that freedom is gonna be around the corner!
If it wasn't for the unions, people would have figured out by now that they need to overthrow the government, but because we have all these friendly institutions to keep us pacified and placate us, we think everything is fine, just like it always was.
>>82810725
>You're fucking naive, because you're fucking 20 years old
>figured out by now that they need to overthrow the government
lol
>>82789566
Where do you live? I recall listening to a guy move from out west where they had unions to the south.
His general experience was people there had no idea they were getting taken advantage of by the companies and that local govs had systematically destroyed any chance of real union power. While the unions weren't perfect, he had been treated better as a worker compared to his non union time.
Its interesting to me that people are ok with taking on companies with armies of lawyers alone instead of trying to pool their resources together.
>>82788932
Keep treating everybody who disagrees with you as if the only possible reason for them to hold a differing opinion is because they're stupid, and then wonder why nobody likes listening to you and you can't convince anybody of anything.
No seriously, keep doing it.
It just goes to show what kind of tactics are effective to get YOU to change your mind, you insecure little twerp.
>>82789002
>If I knew they were unhappy we would have done something about it.
LOL, yeah, you would have fired them.
That's why none of your employees told you anything and they never will. If you only want the good news, then that's all your employees will give you, but that doesn't protect you from the bad news being real.
It just protects you from knowing about it or being able to do anything about it before it fucks your shit.
What the fuck is it about employing another human being that makes you just want to own them like a fucking slave?
Why can't you hire a person to do a goddamned job and then pay them for the goddamned job they did? Why do we need fucking ten trillion books of law and one million bajillion lawyers to arbitrate this process?
PAY YOUR GODDAMNED FUCKING EMPLOYEES! God, we should fucking make it a capital offense to be an evil cunt for one day.
The 200 remaining people would live happily ever after.
>>82810522
Talking shit about the jews equals rape? It's not like Disney actively harassed jews, he did that to union leaders but not jews.
>>82789015
Hey, can I rape your mom? I really love dogs. I helped out at an animal shelter for a couple summers when I was a kid.
Yep, sure can't wait to rape your fucking mom, dude.
>>82789072
>It's like you're either a hardworking family man with good morals, or an absolute useless scum of a welfare leech.
Well what else is there?
>>82811003
anger and ignorance make an ugly mix...
>>82796834
How fucked are you? 80% of the laws passed against businesses that people bitch about do not apply to small businesses.And often you can even get huge tax breaks just by doing certain things like driving X miles or hiring women/minorities.
>>82789260
>One of the big fucking jokes of Trumps run at the presidency is promising 1%ers that he'll erase the social security system when shit like war veterans pensions are tied into that system. If you want an armed rebellion in the nation please, by all means, get rid of food stamps, get rid of social security. See just how long it takes joe average to realize he has nothing left to lose and get that hunting shotgun he's got lying around out and finally take his frustrations out on those cops who keep ticketing his pickup truck.
That's why I'm voting for Trump.
We've been putting off the Revolution for decades. I don't care if I die first, as long as all the right people die after me, but GODDAMNIT, THERE'S TOO MANY GODDAMNED ALIVE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE FUCKING DEAD.
PERIOD.
WE NEED TO KILL MASSES OF PEOPLE, and whatever brings that about is a good thing. We need rivers of blood to wash the streets clean.
People think I'm joking, I am not goddamned joking, you can forget about Trump, I'm gonna start shooting soon no matter WHAT fucking happens.
>>82787461
He was a capitalist first, and an artist second.
It was in his personal interest to destroy unions.
>>82789260
>See just how long it takes joe average to realize he has nothing left to lose and get that hunting shotgun he's got lying around out and finally take his frustrations out on those cops who keep ticketing his pickup truck.
Cops need to leave the working man alone.
Somebody commits rape, arson, murder, theft, or any other crime, cops can't do a fuckin' thing about it except sit on their thumbs and spin, but may God help you if you're a hard-working family man trying to put food on the table, you can't escape the long arm of the law then boy, I tell you fucking what.
We don't have cops anymore, we have revenue-generators for the State who wear cop uniforms just to rub our noses in it.
>>82811177
>WE NEED TO KILL MASSES OF PEOPLE
not really, Trump will deport them.
>>82789360
>Yeah that dude sounds like a real shithead, and a liar too.
Wow, a nihilistic atheist doesn't have much care or compassion for people, you don't fucking say!
Whoda thunk it?
