How come there hasn't been a better comic book than Watchmen yet?
>>82769863
There are a lot.
How many non-cape comics have you read? I would say that it is even debatable if it is the best cape comic.
Hellboy is better, for example.
>trying to talk comics on neo-/co/
pity bump
>>82769916
Indiean pls
>>82769957
>capeshit
>>82769863
Define what makes Watchmen the best comic of all times in your opinion, and maybe we will have a meaningful thread.
It's too broad a word to convey anything by itself.
>>82769957
>>82770019
>comics
>>82769863
Because Watchmen used/reimagined so many of the genre tropes that anything remotely similar would just be considered a Watchmen rip off. There have been lots of great comics since its publication, but nothing that has redefined the genre. In order to do that, there would have to be another comprehensive genre deconstruction, using the post-Watchmen era as a starting point. Unfortunately, these deconstructions tend to be pretty dark, and it's difficult to out-dark Watchmen without crossing over into grimdark parody land.
>>82769916
Le'ts safley assume that he means cape comics, and that Helloboy is not one of them (mostly fantasy).
Ghostworld is better, anon. Ghosts world is better >;)
Also so is kick ass the walking dead mays 52
>>82770203
I think you meant maus, seeing as you're posting all the poser meme answers
>>82769863
Enigma & Shade the Changing Man are both more masterful and mature
Maus
Hellboy
Astro City is better Capeshit
Omega The Unkown did capeshit better as well and came out a decade before watchmen and tackled "mature themes" before watchmen or even TDKR was a blink in either Miller or Moore's eyes.
Marshal Law: Fear & Loathing does much more biting capeshit satire.
BlueBerry
Transmetroplitan
Animal Man, Grant Morrison in general is a more sophisticated writer than Moore
Asterios Polyp
hell Manga from the 70s and early 80s were doing mature comics much better than the west did at the time
Akira is much more culturally signficant
Nausicaa (the manga) is buttloads better
Lone Wolf & Cub
Phoenix
Berserk
Devilman
Gunnm
Osayami PunPun
The World Is Mine
Blame!
Monster
No. 5
Takemitsu Zamurai
Watchmen is overrated as hell. It's not even the best Moore work, it's all about Swamp Thing.
>>82770710
>Grant Morrison in general is a more sophisticated writer than Moore
>It's not even the best Moore work, it's all about Swamp Thing
>>82770850
Dubs of truth m8
>>82770710
>Akira is much more culturally signficant
What culture would that be? Masturbating neckbeards in mom's basement?
>>82769957
>>82770019
You can like both, and I mentioned that I lie both and don't think that Whatchman was the better of the genre or media.
>>82772010
>implying watchmen isn't the same thing
but no, it tackles themes much more relevant to Japan at the time and was broader in scope.
>>82769916
Hellboy is loosely packed shit. There isn't much going on. It uses supernatural lore the way Evangelion used Christianity, except the meta-meaninglessness theme in Eva redeemed it. Hellboy is dull. I really tried to like Mignola.
>>82769863
I'd say there are several.
I probably have shit taste though.
>>82770850
He's right on the second point.
The only Moore-tier thing Grant's written is Doom Patrol.
>>82772155
Dubs confirm absolutely shit taste
The Ultimates is better than Watchmen.
>>82772453
>Millar
>>82769863
You understand that the Dark Knight Returns exists right?
Like I'm not hating on Watchmen, but Watchman is #2 after The Dark Knight Returns as #1 best comic ever.
>>82771759
Do you know what dubs are?
>>82772887
Something you'll never have,
>>82772809
Nah, man. Nah. Dark Knight Returns isn't even the best Batman comic ever.
>>82772809
I disagree, I find that comic to be hot garbage that aged like sour milk.
>>82772155
I pity and laught at you.
How can someone miss the point so much and not get that all HB comics and spin offs are a single narrative?
>>82769863
I prefer his swamp thing if only because there's more if it. But damn, bissette/totleben makes the sexiest artwork
>>82769863
Watchmen is basically fedora shit. GTFO nerd.
>>82772960
I understand your opinion: But The Dark Knight Returns is put on every list of top 5 Batman comics of all time, usually at #1.
It's also generally considered to be one of the greatest comics of all time too, as is Watchmen. But The Dark Knight Returns doesn't need rape as a selling point, and doesn't have a somewhat dissatisfying ending like Watchmen does. Also, Watchmen is kind of in your face about its symbolism, whereas The Dark Knight Returns is much more subtle in that regard.
>>82773423
>doesn't need rape as a selling point
You're a meme human.
The Multiversity is better
>>82773423
DKR is seriously underrated these days because of Miller hate going on. Also, it's subtlety is mostly lost on a few people. They don't see it as anything else than bat wank. It's the same type of people who think the point of watchmen was about Rorschach being badass.
>>82773781
There's no single point to watchmen. There are a couple overall themes, but I'm getting sick of people hating on Rorschach just because some 13 year old missed some of the "deeper" issues and just talked about Rorschach.
If Rorschach being badass wasn't intentional than Moore could have taken out some details that didn't advance the plot in any way whatsoever.
I know that's not what you're getting at, but I just wanted to say it anyway.
>>82772453
>>82772496
Kingsman is better than Watchmen.
>>82769863
How can you know if you've already made up your mind?
>>82772453
>>82772496
>>82774219
The Unfunnies is better than Watchmen.
>>82774744
Moore's worst works are still leagues better than Millar's best works.
>>82770710
Dude c'mon, you're right on most accounts here but did you really have to bring up Phoenix? Books 1-5 were fucking perfect but books 6-12 declined in quality a little and we never got the ending that Osamu Tezuka promised because he died. Monster is a quite good this is true but not a 10/10 imo. And it's Oyasumi Punpun btw.
Both Watchmen and DKR are overrated butt clenchingly grim n gritty 80s crap. Give me something actually fun to read like Morrison's JLA, Ellis' Authority, or Millar's Ultimates. All those shit all over both Watchmen and DKR as actual entertainment as well as having some thought in them.
Those 80s Moore/Miller epics are Batman v Superman or the masturbatatory prog rock concept album crap of the early 70s.
The 90s/early 00s widescreen superhero explodo comics by Morrison/Ellis/Millar/Ennis are Cap Civil War or the excitement of the NY & London punk rock bands of the late 70s.
>>82773918
I honestly think that people hate on Rorschach because he was that sort of proto-edgy anti-hero that gained popularity in the 90s because writers were mindlessly aping him and Miller's Batman.
>>82775668
Are you for real?
Watchman seems like the Evangelion of comics. It's important but overrated and not nearly as influential as people claim.
