Get ready for Justice League China
NEW SUPER-MAN #2
Written by GENE LUEN YANG • Art by VIKTOR BOGDANOVIC and RICHARD FRIEND • Cover by VIKTOR BOGDANOVIC • Variant cover by BERNARD CHANG
“Made in China” part two! The New Super-Man must face off against the Justice League of China? When Kenan Kong was imbued with the powers of Superman, he didn’t waste any time using them! Now it’s up to the New Bat-Man and New Wonder-Woman of his home country to bring our hero back down to earth—just in time to stop the attack of the deadly Sunbeam!
On sale AUGUST 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
It'd be too hard to use Great Ten?
>>82734256
I think Yang said they might show up? Probably just wants to develop things more than only having the same team over and over again. That's kind of the point of telling this sort of story.
>>82734256
They'll be in it apparently.
>>82734218
I want to see Batman China and Batman Japan meet
>>82734256
yes it would those characters do not sell and don't have iconic branding
writer said they might show up though
>>82734218
I would've preferred more focus on Great Ten instead of creating new Batmen and Wonder Women. The general idea for New Super-Man sounds so good.
>>82734218
I like Chinese Wonder Woman's look but Chinese Batman just looks like a slightly bulkier Bat-Man.
>>82734256
China has 4 times the population of the US. I think it's ok for them to have more than just one super team.
>>82734576
Eh hes got a pretty gooky face and chin too
>>82734218
>Fatman
>>82734628
China is also poorer than America and having super heroes is usually a function of development and wealth.
I wonder if they'll be super racist to the black heroes during team ups.
>>82734662
I was mostly referring to his costume.
>>82734256
It would, if you want this to get cancelled before it's time, maybe.
>>82734791
It is ridiculously similar to Bruce's normal attire. I wonder if that'll be brought up at any point.
>>82734218
are the International Batmen still a thing, or did they all quit after Batman INC got disbanded?
Is this an officially licensed Batman, or some cheap Chinese knock-off?
>>82734707
DC has meta-humans, and China has poor environmental protection laws, so them having super-heroes that are due to freak genetic happenstance is way likelier.
>>82734218
>not literally just The Bat-Man of Shanghai
Dropped
>>82734938
he could be?
new costume and shit.
actually, China's kinda big? maybe they have multiple batmen just like the US does?
>>82734218
>>82734256
I agree, the great ten should be the focus here. But I do like the idea of a Batman from China. The batman Inc idea lives on, kinda. I'm still gonna buy this book.
Who thought this was a good idea?
Chinese Superman really?
>>82734707
>China is also poorer than America
Not by much and you can bet your ass they pour billions into military projects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
>>82734860
Probably a knock-off.
>>82736600
>"Made in China"
>>82736343
Why not?
>Gene Yang
>>82736343
he's cute that means it was a good idea
>>82737426
also to add it was Jim Lee who came up with it
>Gene Yang
Christ.
>>82737246
Cause it's not very imaginative?
>>82736577
>Not by much
yeah, 7 trillion dollars is pocket change
>>82737550
No other way to get sales, unfortunately. Either use a big name or create an original hero and get canned after the sixth issue.
>Chinese "Bat-Man"
>Chinese "Wonder-Woman"
Talk about minimal effort. The zero attempt for any creativity for international superheroes is insult and Yang can go fuck himself.
>>82736343
DC wants the Chinese market
>>82737283
>>82737511
What's the problem with Gene Yang?
>>82737621
I get tying a character to a larger franchise to increase but calling him Super-man and giving him all of Superman's power is just being unimaginative.
>>82737867
I like American Born Chinese, but his writing for Superman was terrible.
>>82734707
Thats why Norway and Australia have so many superheroes right?
That Batman better be an angry overweight, middle-aged chinese guy.
>>82737950
His Superman fight club arc was good. It's the issues that heavily tied into crossover shit that were lacking.
>>82738107
Australia has Mad Max.
>>82734218
>China comes out with their own knock-off for JL like they do with literally everything else
Looking forward to it
>>82738711
Honestly, people are shitting on Yang for using Chinese versions of the Justice League, but that sounds like something the Chinese government would totally do.
>>82734218
I don't know how to feel about this as a Chinese
>>82734849
The Chinese are masters at knock-off brands. Hopefully his grapple won't give out at a bad time.
>>82734256
The Great 10 was written by Morrison hating the helll out of China.
It's better to leave that alone for a while.
>>82737653
There's a cheap Chinese knock off of everything else, why not superheroes too?
>>82734218
Wasn't his name Kenji until a minute ago? Did Yang finally realize that he picked a Japanese first name because he's a self-assured American trying to write about a country that's not his home?
>>82734538
Honestly, I'm not sure you'll be seeing the Great Ten much in the future. Like, honestly, they were Morrison's stereotypical ideas for Chinese superheroes, I didn't have a problem with them or think they were in bad stories, but if DC is skewing PC, "Mother of Champions" is just asking for a whole Cracked article about xenophobic superhero ideas.
>>82739188
But Mother of champions is the greatest idea.
>>82739237
It doesn't matter if it's a good idea if it's not the kind of idea they want to be known for having.
>>82738888
Well, in the DCU your superheroes are knockoff Apple Store versions of ours. Either that's brilliantly accurate or offensive stereotyping.
Probably depends on how the actual comic is.
>>82739188
All of this is worth a read but the relevant part
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/04/14/naming-super-man
>There was a problem, of course. Kenji is a common Japanese name and this would probably cause some confusion, at least at first.
>(The “Japanese-ness” of the Romanized version didn’t occur to my mom because, like most overseas Chinese of her background, she never learned Pinyin. In Wade-Giles, 恳记 would be rendered K’en-Chi, which sounds way more “Chinese” to English speakers.)
>But I figured readers would get over it once they realized there was an actual Chinese name underneath. Heck, there's even a popular Taiwanese pop star who goes by Kenji Wu, so it's not unheard of for a Chinese person to be called Kenji.
>Also, it would give me a fun narrative wrinkle to play with. Maybe New Super-Man starts off with a bias against Japanese people and the Pinyin version of his name bugs him to no end. Maybe his friends make fun of it. Maybe he eventually has to team up with a Japanese super hero, someone like Katana or a member of that crazy Japanese super-team that Grant Morrison made up. Maybe they fall in love.
>All of this is just a really long way of saying that you can think long and hard about something and still come to the wrong decision. Or at least I can.
>>82739489
>Here's the blindingly obvious fact that I’d completely lost sight of:
>New Super-Man is not a character in one of my graphic novels. New Super-Man is a DC Comics character. He has an iconic value that the average graphic novel protagonist just doesn't have.
>And he's going into an 80-year-old toy box. Hopefully, my book won’t be the only place where he shows up. Hopefully, other DC Comics writers and artists will want to play with him.
>What would I think if I were a casual comics reader and I encountered an Asian super hero named Kenji Kong as a supporting character in a couple panels of a DC comic, without any context for the name?
>I'd probably assume some non-Asian writer had confused Asian cultures.
>I was only thinking about how I’d make this character and his name work in the particular story I was going to write. I’d missed the forest for the trees.
>I had to change the name.
>>82739489
>Also, it would give me a fun narrative wrinkle to play with. Maybe New Super-Man starts off with a bias against Japanese people and the Pinyin version of his name bugs him to no end. Maybe his friends make fun of it. Maybe he eventually has to team up with a Japanese super hero, someone like Katana or a member of that crazy Japanese super-team that Grant Morrison made up. Maybe they fall in love.
Could work although I would rather no romance in it
>>82739489
>>82739512
Eh, I'd have just nutted up and made him half-Japanese and let it cause him problems.
>>82738155
>issues that heavily tied into crossover shit
Isn't that where a lot of writers tend to stumble?
>>82738962
>Hopefully his grapple won't give out at a bad time.
This is gonna happen.
>>82739594
Yeah, but they raise sales in the short term so it keeps happening, because nobody in this business plans for even five years from now.
>>82739527
I'm glad he remembered they existed
Anyone got a character sheet of Wonder Woman
>>82739188
>they were Morrison's stereotypical ideas for Chinese superheroes
China isnt murrika, they love tradition and culture. Fur fucks sake there's nothing wrong about the Great Ten
>>82739489
>But then, I’ve been going around giving these speeches encouraging people to read and write outside of their comfort zones. How could I turn down this opportunity to go outside of mine?
This is kind of sad people will think he's writing it because he's Chinese instead of because of the exact opisiote.
>>82739489
>I was only thinking about how I’d make this character and his name work in the particular story I was going to write. I’d missed the forest for the trees.
Easily the best usage of that saying I have ever heard
This really is an interesting read though
>>82739983
Kinda amazing how he made a naming process an interesting read.
>>82739663
Which is odd that they continue to do so after they saw how well planing ahead worked for marvels films
>>82740055
This market is so bad that long plotting is basically dead even for indie creators. The way sales just deteriorate means that there's no incentive to write a long running series.
>>82739845
Are you kidding me?
Accomplished Perfect Physician's whole story is 'the PLAN are monsters. The PRC crushes all political dissidents. Nepal needs to be free.'
Mother of Champions and Immortal Man of Darkness are both commentary on the lack of regard China places on individual lives and how they're a machine that devours is populace for a few select elite.
Celestial Archer is there so he can rail about how modern China has forgotten it's spiritual past and all of its rich cultural history in favor of evil Communism.
Socialist Red Guardsmen then talks about how modern China is a joke because it diverted from the original pure goal of Communism, instead taking the worst parts of capitalism.
The Great Ten is mostly just Morrison ranting about how much China is awful.
>>82740319
They seemed to be at least toeing the party line in the latest batman/superman, so who knows
>>82734218
I like the idea of copycats emerging and just calling themselves "New-hero name."
>>82740319
>regard China places on individual lives
And individuality isnt a value in china. Cooperation is.
>
Socialist Red Guardsmen then talks about how modern China is a joke because it diverted from the original pure goal of Communism, instead taking the worst parts of capitalism.
And that doesnt mean the character has the same connotation in a country where the red book is more important than any religious book.
Just like Captain America represents horrible things like propaganda, american interventionism and american exceptionalism, it doesnt mean you have to interpretate it in just one way. The Great Ten can mean a whole other thing to a chinese,
>Pandering Intensifies
DC/Warners wants a good relationship with China, especially because of their fast-growing film industry.
>>82740641
yes how dare DC not only have stories take place in North America.
>>82740252
>meanwhile decompression gets worse and worse
>>82740641
>>Pandering Intensifies
Fuck off filthy nigger, Pandering would be a chinese-american character from new york.
First batwing: diversity in storytelling
Second batwing: not diversity
>>82740641
White people love being the center of attention ALL the time
>>82741401
Everyone would love to be the center of attention all the time, white people are just the only ones who can actually pull it off
>>82741533
>he so proclaims on a Nepali nipple tattoo board
>>82734256
The Great Ten just appeared in the current story that's leading to the Chinese Superman stuff. They'll be there.
>>82734218
I love that big brawly Sammo Hung Batman.
Like he ain't like TDKR big, but more like a chubby dude that got into fighting condition.
>>82734218
>no japanese Justice League book
>no ToyMan 2.0, Dr. Light and Mr. Unknown fighting enemies.
>>82742296
I'm pretty sure doctor light is dead
>>82742332
The female japanese one?
>>82742414
Oh I don't know of that one I assume she's alive
>>82742467
She's the one who got powers in COIE. I haven't seen her in the new 52 though.
>>82742467
The female Dr. Light was a pretty big character in Crisis on Infinite Earth (even if she didn't really do anything besides be a bitch) but then nobody really did anything that big if here and she just became "Justice League Tech/Science Guy N.3.476" (apparently the smartest female in the League) or having some active role in leading the japanese version of the League. In the New-52, she was the wife of the original Dr. Light, that was not a rapist as far as we know.
>>82734218
>Kenan Kong
What kind of name is that for a Chinese dude.
>>82742763
Able-man
>>82736577
Now, calculate China's soon to be economic freefall.
>>82742763
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong_(surname)
Basically the surname for the descendants of Confucius.
Ke would be a generational marker.
Nan would be his personal name.
Why American knockoffs? Why not mythology and history based? There's tons of stuff they could use. Journey to the West. Three Kingdoms. The twin brothers with superpowers.
>>82743226
Because these are likely not natural superheroes but rather government created ones. Super-Man is already confirmed to be that at least.
A normal guy who gets powers might draw from his culture but I don't see it as necessary here.
>>82739674
I know I'm ready to see Most Excellent Super Bat again.
Last time the Super Young Team got any mention, it was Batman of Japan trying to figure out how he can make out with Shy Crazy Lolita Canary, and Shiny Happy Aquazon was barely mentioned.
>>82742855
Wouldn't that fuck the US up too.
>>82743391
I really like that the Jap heroes are mostly trained to fight giant monsters and aliens, since there's barely any normal crime in japan that is a nice twist. I really want a 52 type book with following different countries in the DC universe:
The super young team in the pacific fighting some giant monsters, El gaucho Adventures in Southern Argentina/Chile fighting Nazis, nightrunner adventures in europe, black adam fighting israel, The red rocket army fighting nuclear monsters, the Great Ten trying to fight ancient demons, Captain Boomerang fighting Emus and being defeated. Etc
>>82743809
Absolutely. Brace yourself, it won't be pretty.
>>82734218
I think "New [existing hero's name] is an even worse naming convention than Morrison's "word salad intended to sound like an awkward translation"
>>82744249
B-But things were starting to get good again.
>>82744067
>Captain Boomerang fighting Emus and being defeated
My sides
>Chinese Batman vs Chinese Electric Batman
>>82734218
So /CO/ is more civil about it than CBR. That's something.
CBR on the other hand has the most stereotypical reaction to this. Holy shit the passive aggressive racism without a sense of self awareness.
You know what /co/, I'm proud of you today.
>>82734576
nobody in china gives a shit what wonder woman looks like
everyone in the world knows what batman is supposed to look like
>>82746119
Why are they mad? He's a cute new husbando and more stories in other places to build up the universe after they erased so much history is a good thing.
>>82745204
>Digger being a hardened veteran of the emu wars
>Digger dealing from the PTSDs he got the emu wars
>Digger having a violent flashback when fighting an emu based superhero
>>82746119
Wow really?
Pls post reactions
>>82746119
We are not idiots after all
>>82746122
Nobody in China knew about superheroes other than Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man. Hell, we had to look up who Iron Man is when the movie came out.
>>82746145
>muh Superman S and name can't be used by anyone
>Great Ten even though I don't give a shit about them and don't realize they're the most generic and stereotypical thing that Morrison didn't even put a little time in thinking of
>wah wah, pandering to Chinese market
There's a faggot that literally said he'd rather have a Dr. Light ongoing. These are the people that have never actually read anything beyond capeshit so I wouldn't expect anything less.
>>82746119
Just give it a few hours, your pride will turn to horror, like clockwork.
>>82746306
Naming your character Super-man is pretty lazy tho.
>>82746338
Well they just saw like a dozen books fail due to being obscure so they're not taking any chances, anon
>>82746205
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?76714-EXCLUSIVE-DC-s-quot-New-Super-Man-quot-Introduces-New-Bat-Man-New-Wonder-Woman
Here you go, look at it yourself.
>I'd rather have had a RISING SUN.SUNBURST or DR LIGHT ongoing instead.
Go fuck yourself you fucking fag.
>>82734329
>develop things more than only having the same team over and over again
Wouldn't it be developing things to, say, expand on an actual and authentic chinese super team than to take fucking batman, superman, and wonder woman, and just make them WHAT IF CHINESE
WHAT IF SOVIET
WHAT IF ITALIAN
WHAT IF LOBSTER
WHAT IF ANTS
>>82746306
>the great ten
>generic
Nigga are you insane? You can call them stereotypical till the children come home from the factory but generic?
>>82746338
Anon DCYou failed for a reason. If Middy wasn't Middy and instead obviously a Bat character with Bat in the initials, he would have gotten more attention and longer run. I don't blame DC.
why are they all squinting?
>>82746356
Oh come on anon, there's a difference between brand recognition and naming your character Superman.
>>82746439
So what we just name all the new characters Batman,Superman and Wonder woman?
>>82746455
they are china
>>82746404
They are sort of overbloated, to be honest. Like, people say Superman's powers are overbloated, but each of the Great Ten's members have like 20 different, seemingly unrelated, powers.
>>82746404
Morrison does his research better than that. Not generic maybe but definitely stereotypes.
>>82746489
If it gives me a good book, sure why not.
>>82746493
So they're squinting because the smog is less heavy than usual and they're seeing the sun for the first time in months.
>>82746456
>>82746489
You do perhaps understand that's the point right? Like New Coke. Obviously the plot will be him growing into his own hero and probably eventually picking his own name around the same time Lois loses her powers and this wave of the storyline ends.
Shit's not rocket science.
>>82746183
I really want that
>>82746552
Yes, and this is what activates the chinese superman's powers.
He was a kryptonian this entire time, living in china, raised by two factory workers reproducing knockoff sonic the hedgehog super nintendo cartridges.
He has just never been fortunate enough to live in a part of China that experienced a day of sunlight visible through the dense smog.
The issue will be about his brief window of two hours where he will gradually grow in power, reach near superman potential, then have it stripped away when the smog rolls back in.
>>82746582
Also it worked out good enough for Miles, it can work here too. And considering GLY is actually talented, it would be better written.
>>82746656
>Digger is a war hero back in Australia
>Digger spent time as an emu POW
>Digger plans his revenge on the Emu prison guard who tortured him
>>82746380
lol wow
At least there are some reasonable people who get what Yang may be going for or are saying to wait and see.
>>82746119
It's funny. This whole concept is ripe for shitposting, but I trust Yang and DC. They geeeeeenerally have a better track record when it comes to legacy/offshoot characters, and the book will likely explore this new guy's character in relation to the public perception of Superman, rather than going "here's your new Superman. TAKE IT, READERS. SWALLOW THAT PILL". So, I'm interested.
Why would anybody expect anything good from CBR.
>>82734256
The great ten were involved in the buildup to this story. I'm sure they will be involved. Probably as a group in severe ass pain for being sidelined
>>82748440
I don't, it's just bit disheartening and quite infuriating to see people comment on shit they know nothing about. It's as if they've never actually bothered to Google the author's name.
>>82748496
>New government formed Chinese Justice League gets their asses kicked by Great Ten
>Chinese knock offs
I bet this Chinese Superman will just have one or two powers of Supes. He should be used by the Communist Party to disappear those that are "harmful" to the party.
>>82739051
>Morrison hating the helll out of China.
In what way?
>>82746498
oh so you mean like chinese mythic heroes.
>>82749358
One of his powers better be having a red LED in his chest.
>Chinese Batman isn't Hei
one job etc
>>82734218
>Justice League of China
Bah. They're just a rip-off of the Sense of Right Alliance.
>>82750394
Except for the head !not supes and !not bats have the exact same mold
>>82734218
>Now it’s up to the New Bat-Man and New Wonder-Woman of his home country
Wat
