Hey guys! So I wanted to ask, what's your personal opinion on Indian characters? Would you watch a cartoon about Indians? I feel like people are a bit afraid to use Indian characters because of social pressure. I'm asking because I'm Indian and a lot of us read comics and watch cartoons, but it's rare I find anything with native characters. I've also noticed most of what kids learn about Indians is through media which is interesting. Want to have a discussion on it?
>>82705714
I really don't care about the race or ethnicity of characters 2bh. So yeah I'd watch it.Are you the Native from the Moana thread
>>82705714
Don't really think it's social pressure at all desu. There's nothing really taboo about showing Indians, the only real problem there is the conflict with the West which doesn't need to be delved into, but even Pocahontas did it and that's Disney.
Native Indians have actually been shown a decent amount compared to some other minorities, I think it's more just on what sells and what current audiences find interesting.
What makes the red man red?
>>82705714
Isn't Blue Beetle a native?
Or am I crazy?
>>82705714
I've created characters of many different backgrounds, and Native American is one that can be difficult to tackle simply because when you try to do your homework there is a lot of horseshit out there.
look to verified Native sources and you'll be able to find stuff that will allow you to represent characters in a respectful and well rounded manner. Also always remember the GRRM rule of writing characters.
>>82705714
You've read Scalped, right?
>>82706188
He's Latino.
>>82706188
Jaime's Hispanic
>>82706188
well his name is Jaime Reyes and he's from Texas...
I love indians, I'd love more works based on indian myths or realistic works based on the current social conditions.
Indians NEED a modern narrative to fit them into the modern world.
>>82706220
>GRRM rule
Which is?
>>82705714
>Would you watch a cartoon about Indians?
Yeah.
If there's any pressure these day's it purely coming from people who are afraid of being accused of poorly depicting native peoples. Any work who's creators spend enough time doing research can do a good enough job I think, but there will always be someone ready to pounce on anything that can look like it's bad from the right angle (and likely more than enough of them will be whities complaining on other people's behalf).
>>82705913
that would be me. I don't particularly care about characters' ethnics either, I was just wondering your guys' personal opinions. I started reading a comic series called scalped hoping it'll be good, it's always interesting to see how we're depicted.
>>82706099
Naw, everyone's afraid of "appropriating" our culture now so there's that. There's nothing even wrong with cultural appropriation desu.
>>82706121
Funny story, back in highschool I recommended we do Peter Pan and then the girls in my class started doing the "war calls" and red man song/dance around, it was a completely white class other than me. I was really shocked and ashamed, feels bad desu.
>>82706367
Write them as people first, I would assume based on that image.
>>82706352
Native American Shaft?
>>82706367
read the fucking image fucking idiot, pic is for you
>>82706220
>Native American is one that can be difficult to tackle simply because when you try to do your homework there is a lot of horseshit out there.
>>82706220
That was true for Star Trek: Voyager. The consultant they got for their native american character was totally making shit up.
>>82706367
make your audience like them, then butcher them in a gruesome manner that you may drink their succulent tears
>>82706429
>Native American Shaft?
That kind of works.
>>82706429
Jeez, sorry I was just asking.
>>82706404
>everyone's afraid of "appropriating" our culture now
You think so? I just think the appeal isn't really there currently. Although it could tie in to what that other anon said about having to do your research in order to ensure Indians are represented "correctly", which is just more time and effort on a studio's behalf
>>82706367
Introduce them as a cliche, then kill them or make them a disgusting human being. If you really like them reveal they're a good person deep down
>>82706271
Just picked up the first issue
>>82706352
There's a couple of Navajo made comics out there if you look around. I totally agree though, lots of my friends are really shocked when I talk about the Rez like its a 3rd world country. Also, Southern and North western Indian lore is based af
>>82706397
>>82706708
That's true, a lot of issues for us in many things has come out of whites speaking for us. Too bad, cartoons and comics are actually highly consumed by us, I hope we can move past this social justice thing soon.
>>82706790
>lots of my friends are really shocked when I talk about the Rez like its a 3rd world country.
You're going to like Scalped.
>Its a cartoon about modern indians.
No lie there were a group of Indians drunk off their asses at 8'O clock in the morning in public at the bus stop one time while i was going to work asking people if they wanted a Budweiser.
In arizona Indians can be complete dicks break any law they want and not get busted by the normal city cops for it. they have to get Taken back to their Reservations and they have a special Reservation police force and court system.
>>82706708
I feel that a lot of non-native creators want to portray native characters in a positive way, or at the very least in a way that isn't going to get native Americans angry at you. Since there are no firm rules on what is or isn't cultural appropriation, non-natives get nervous as to what is considered the "right" way to portray them. Sure, you can do research, but unless you get the whole fucking tribal council to look at your work there's always the chance that you accidentally made a misstep.
>>82706923
They're probably just bitter. You should send them some blankets to make them feel better.
>>82706923
What's your point?
Studied Native Indians and their war with the West back in school so had a soft spot for /co/ content that covered it. I found it interesting since I knew some of the facts and could see where ideas came from. I remember quite enjoying Pocahontas upon rewatching, but now I barely remember any of it by now so it's not really the same for me and that interest has sort of lapsed.
>>82705714
I'm from a Canadian city with a sizeable native community. Having grown up with alot of native friends, I do notice when they aren't being portrayed in media. Notice it even more when I moved to a city away from them.
Fuck the stereotypes. Why wouldn't you portray good people and good characters?
>>82706742
Like Joffery or Yellow Dick.
>>82706220
>taking common sense storytelling and giving a hack writer credit for it as if it was his own world-changing epiphany.
>>82706861
Now I'm hyped, can't fucking wait
>>82706923
>cherry niggers making a bad name for us
nothing new there
>>82707060
Creators are scared shitless of white sjws, WE'RE scared shitless of sjw's. Light skinned natives can't even claim their families anymore.
>>82707093
top kek, here's your tobacco
>>82707060
Yeah, you're probably right, especially in this age. Honestly I doubt it's the Natives that would really get mad, it's more just people who think they know what the Natives want and deserve who rant on Twitter. I don't think OP for one would be too concerned about historically accurate representation
It'd just be needless hassle, especially when minorities aren't really all that popular in media to begin with, so your show might not even kick off anyway
>>82707194
>Tfw Metis but don't give a fuck
Being from Winnipeg, our native community is literally shit tier. Metis are fucking faggot whites pretending to be native for Residential school bucks, and the rest of the Cree are degenerates ad steal money from the state and fuck our shit up. The people from the reserves are in an infinitely worse situation, but they are quite nice people in comparison. I can't go forty feet without seeing some native inclusion shit though, but I do like native characters absolutely fine, and would like to see Wendigoes and some spooky shit from Native mythology turned into media. The concept of a native monster hunter sounds pretty sick, like a Van Helsing mixed with Tonto. Does anyone know how that Red Wolf comic turned out?
>Indian
>posts Native American
Why do people still say this? It's been 500 years and we have have world maps now.
>>82705714
I'm always down for more NA/FN characters. My fave Marvel lady is Cheyenne.
>>82707194
It sucks because American education doesn't teach much about real Indians so what the public knows about us is mostly based off bad representation in media. We didn't even learn about the trail of tears until high school when a part native teacher used extra time to teach us. Shit's sad.
>still calling american natives "indians"
>>82706474
>that action pose
more personality in one shot than in 7 seasons
>>82707530
What bumfuck school did you go to? We learned about various native cultures in 3rd grade in northern Illinois, where I didn't see a Native till I was maybe 18. We learned about the trail of tears, Iroquois confederacy etc that year as well. My sister is 10 and had the exact same curriculum.
>>82707475
>get Indian identity engrained
>want to now take our identities too
why do people do this?
>>82707438
I want some delicious skin-walker action, or real Sasquatch horror
>>82707475
>Native American
>Not Native Aboriginal First Nations
Why do people still say this? It's been 500 years and we have maps now
>>82707637
>tfw have to change identity around whites because it's "politically correct"
>>82707769
>identity
>from a bad navigator that didn't know what continent he was in
>Indians
I like them.
>>82707637
Are you trying to say you didn't understand that he was harping on that intentionally
it's in almost every single sentence
>>82707701
I went to a small white supremacist hick school ;_;
>>82707637
Amerindians is the only answer.
>Indians
I guess we still can't read maps.
Are we talking about the American Indians or the Hindu Indians?
>>82707836
>>82707928
You have a point. I usually go by American Indian though, it's just what my tribe says. You grow up being called Indian, it's kind of who you are.
>>82708014
In spanish indian is the correct term, people from india (the country) are called hindu irregardless of their religion
Are there any full blooded native americans left?
>have a country called India
>still call people from the opposite side of the world Indians
Reminds me of the Scottish/Irish bullshit. Bring geography back in schools, dammit.
>>82708333
Some here and there, usually on huge ass reservations like Navajo Nation. Either that or they're just stubborn mother fuckers like Apaches.
>>82708438
>>82707928
>>82707637
>>82708333
yes
>>82708438
Straight up Columbus was a gigantic turd in all respects
He's pretty much singlehandedly directly responsible for all the horseshit that has gone on in the Americas from genocide to slavery to out and out wars.
>>82708014
>calling yourself something you're factually not
Immediately reminded me of pic related.
>>82707825
It's not even politically correct, it's just correct.
I wouldn't watch anything to do with Indians. I've known a few who were nice people, but on a daily basis I deal with many who are not. I wouldn't be able to separate my daily experience from what I'd be seeing; that's entirely my problem, of course. It doesn't mean, though, that I'm opposed to creators going out and making a product featuring Indians - it just means that I'm going to be averse to partaking of it.
>>82706352
>I'd love more works based on indian myths
This. I'd love to see more Indian mythology represented. Shit's cool.
>>82705714
Natives are a small and under represented minority. People are scared of portraying native characters in their works.
>>82708564
>Columbus
Was a pleb that only discovered the West Indies, it was Ameringo who actually discovered both North and South America.
>>82705714
just keep race separate from culture and you can't go wrong
Are there any Native Indian porn actresses? I remember googling it like eight years ago when I got into interracial stuff and all I got was actual Indian porn stars or stills from Custer's Revenge. I assume it must be pretty niche even by niceh porn stnadards.
>>82708564
>from genocide to slavery to out and out wars.
You say that it's a bad thing.
>>82705714
There's a very old (pre-war) newspaper comic called White Boy. It's about a... white boy in the old west who loses his family and ends up hanging around with a Native American tribe, the title is the name that they call him, and he goes on all sorts of adventures with a qtpie Indian girl. The creator didn't really know anything about Native Americans, though in the earliest episodes you get the sense he'd have liked to know more, and would have respected them.
It didn't do well. Demands of the job wore the creator down and the quality of both the art and the writing soon went to shit. The native characters all got dumbed down into the standard cliched stereotypes, either bloodthirsty villains or doofus comic relief.
But I sort of think in terms of "what if." Maybe in the future when my current webcomic ends, I'll take a stab at rebooting it myself.
>>82706352
>>82708660
You guys would love Tony Hillerman
>>82709441
tell me more
>>82709170
1000000/10 answer
>>82709419
Cool I'll have to check it out.
>>82708542
>REEEE, I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE CALL MY RETARDED NORMS
>>82709477
He's an author on a ton of Indian-focused books. Sherman Alexie is a god, you should check him out too. Shit, they have some of his books turned into movies you can watch on Netflix. Then again, I'm really biased towards him because he's a family friend. I remember once in lit class we started a discussion on him and some whites called him a racist for going to native schools and speaking there instead of average public schools. I lost my shit, didn't even know he was an author before that.
It really sucks that there's no real written history of American Indian history beyond a certain point because that shit was filled with cool mythology and bloody tribal warfare.
Same with Africa. Oral tradition is long dead and nobody wants to make up cool fantasy stories featuring aboriginal people.
>>82708564
If it wasnt Columbus it would have been someone else
Scalped is one of the GOAT Vertigo book but I'm worried that they're going to fuck up the show and have Dash be half white or something.
>>82709780
Read Black Elk Speaks, shit is fucking amazing eye-witness to what went down. It's a damn good read too.
>>82709792
If I had a time machine I would convince Genghis Khan to not waste so much time hunting down one Muslim prince and convince him to attack Europe as he originally planned.
I just want to briefly see a present where Mongolian hipsters tattoo tribal horses on their wrists and complain on the internet about white people shaming them.
>>82709929
>Gegas Khan vs English army
I want to see this so bad
>>82709929
Tired of this PC Monguilt bullshit. This generation bends to the Caucaloids. In my day we rode 15 miles across open plains to our KhanDonalds and nobody bitched about trans-fat free horse meat. BROWN POWER!
>tfw no Navajo Pulp Fiction
>tfw no Pueblo sand nigger Mad Max
I wouldn't mind except
>show has Indians
>they use the bathroom instead of shitting on the streets
every fucking time
>>82710659
We're talking Woo Woo not red dot here
I've yet to see a qt native girl in real life
>>8271093
Gotta try NorthWest or maybe Canada. Alaska's a safe bet too.
>>82707825
This post makes no sense.
>>82711001
He's talking about how you're not allowed to say "Indian" anymore. If you call yourself or others that outside of the reservation, you'll get corrected or chewed out.
>>82711058
But that's the way it should be which is why I was confused. Indians are not native americans and the only reason we call them that is because Christopher Columbus thought he landed in India.
Political correctness is the notion that if somebody accidentally offends someone else, they should be treated as if they'd done it on purpose because it's the only way to get people to stop.
Of course, this doesn't result in more sensitive depictions of minorities. It results in FEWER depictions of minorities because if you do it wrong your company's going to get screamed at and you're going to get fired.
>>82707194
>alot
And you picked up their gammer errors too
>>82707102
He has actually met indians, and you haven't, because there basically aren't any.
>>82707637
Sauce?
>>82711058
...why the fuck would someone correct you about what you call yourself unless it was, like, online and they thought you were a white dude.
>>82711323
This
>>82711241
Yeah but if a tribe calls themselves that for decades or centuries and people outside say "okay we're changing it now" they might be annoyed.
>>82711323
Unless you're Disney. Then it's black Star Wars characters and Polynesian Princesses all over!
>>82707769
JP Rowling just got chewed out because she used skin-walkers, which are apparently too religious to be movie monsters.
What're your thoughts on that?
>>82705714
One of my favorite comics is all about Indians.
I don't really care about the race or ethnicity of characters so long as it's well-written. I certainly wouldn't not watch a show because it was about them.
Tiger Lily is cute.
>>82711241
Listen, it may not mean this to you but it's less about geography and more about personal identity. We where given the name "Indian" by white men, and for us being Indian is how we where looked at through many years of genocide and oppression. Now we are the surviving Indians, it's a name given to us that we keep (depending on the tribe) marking us as survivors. It's not about geography, it's about history and metaphorical do-da.
>>82711778
What >>82711323 said, no logic with these people, just screaming
>>82706480
And use those delicious tears to sustain yourself.
>>82712013
Jesus, I'm sorry.
>>82706220
Yeah unfortunately, the only people you can really get info on are Navajos and Cherokees. Also, what's your webcomic? Sounds interesting.
>>82707093
>blankets
I can only imagine what a media shitstorm it would be if you actually sent diseased blankets to a reserve in this day and age.
>>82705714
I'd take it. I'm tired of how Diversity™ only means urban black people and white women in college.
But only if the showrunners do their research and get all facts about any of the many Native American ethnic groups right. Really. For starters, many people don't know Native North Americans aren't a singular tribe nor ever were. Athough I suppose The Revenant's success must have helped dispelled that myth a bit.
>>82712091
No you're not. Don't apologize on the internet either, fag.
>ctrl+F Indian
>47 matches
>CTRL+F Native American
>14
Come on, y'all.
>>82711891
Fuck those guys then skin walkers are freaking great. Was natives chewing her out? If so, they should know better. Skin walkers scare the shit out of us because we get a lot of real life stories and tumors surrounding them but people shouldn't get butt hurt.
>>82712091
I'm sorry I didn't mean to seem angry, please don't be mad/sad. I love you white bros.
>>82712296
Indian takes less time to type, therefore they're Indians.
>>82712311
*rumors
>>82712248
that's not very nice Tanto
>>82712296
>OP claims self as Indian
>Nativefags mad at Indian saying "Indian"
Jesus it's real
>>82712311
I have no idea who it was, just that there was noise. I was just curious what your take on it was.
Also I'm not gonna jump off of a roof or anything I'm just flabbergasted that people can be so casually fucking rude.
>>82712248
I'm sorry friendo but I'm p sure this is America and you aren't my dad. This eagle jumped on my shoulder and whispered "Say what you want lol" into my ear so I think its cool.
>>82706141
wonder how much he paid for this
>>82707637
I always preferred "Injun" because it sounds like "engine" making them sound like a ethnicity of diesel powered aboriginal robots which is just metal as fuck.
>>82712296
"Native American" triggers European interlopers. The term is "Amerindians".
>>82711891
Chewed out by white people or crafty injuns looking for a settlement? Also, angels are movie monsters all the damn time.
>>82712454
>This eagle jumped on my shoulder and whispered "Say what you want lol" into my ear so I think its cool.
Spirit guide spoke son. Must follow winding path to big man dream.
>>82712487
>tfw no injun mad max
>>82712519
What is that pic from?
>>82707093
>smallpox blankets meme
Just FYI, that never actually happened.
>>82712529
Just let me run in the desert for a week until I hallucinate the answer father then I'll bring the rain back you just wait.
>>82712454
The internet is not America, and I am not in America. Go smoke'm flesh pipe.
>>82706474
I don't remember Chakotay coming with a kung fu grip.Then again, not much about the show was memorable anyway.
>>82712590
>there are people who really believe this
>>82712594
Don't forget to trip on that mescalaro shit, that shi's dank af
>>82711323
Political correctness is what assholes yell about when someone corrects them about what is the most informed, understanding, and inclusive way to refer to something or someone.
>>82712687
You seriously believe the American government gave smallpox blankets to Amerindians? Because there is no evidence supporting that. Look it up yourself.
Hopi best tribe
>>82712571
A webcomic.
That post is dumb. Women are different from men, and it's sexist to write up every woman like a man. You lose on strong arch-types that way, and you presume the only way to make a decent female character, is to take away her female characteristics.
>>82712769
This was back when they could be held hostage by common pirates. They were thugs who did dickish things exclusively.
>>82706352
Their modern narrative is alcohol, huffing paint and reparations.
They don't want anything else. I asked.
>>82712781
I remember these little guys! My dad always came back from Arizona with books about them for us kids. My brother and I would read about all of them and their special separate abilities, it was like Hopi Pokemon.
>>82712870
Did you link to the wrong post?
>>82712835
It's better to just write up archetypes and then apply sexes to them a posteriori.
>>82712876
>have no jobs on reservations
>US government tries to fix it bey allowing them to do drugs and build Casinos
>now Amerindians steal from the mentally ill for their first job, get depressed, and spend the rest of their lives doing drugs
Whoever thought that gambling and drugs would solve the problems on reservations should be shot in the kneecap.
>>82712829
W-what webcomic anon?
>>82712876
;_; it's so true though
>>82713006
Gunnerkrigg Court.
Mind you, Coyote is ONE character among many. And the narrative is centered in a British techno-magical boarding school bordering a forest that Coyote has made its home in.
>>82712435
Odd isn't it? most of the people that accuse of prejudice upon non-whites are actually whites.
who here binge watching injun movies tonight?
>>82713076
But he's at the root of most of the conflict in one way or another. And he's a diiiiiiick.
>>82711891
wait i thought the complaints were because she said 'skinwalkers are just animagi', not because she used them at all
>>82713111
Did this thread inspire you or did you plan on having this
>>82713076
>>82713144
Thanks! I've always enjoyed Coyote stories, I can't wait to see this interpretation.
>>82713207
I was planning to watch pulp fiction but then someone mentioned Sherman Alexie so I'm moving to Indian movies now.
>>82705714
> So I wanted to ask, what's your personal opinion on Indian characters?
In mainstream culture they tend to suck. Either dead boring afraid-to-offend and/or hilariously inaccurate. There's some good comic portrayals out there though.
>Would you watch a cartoon about Indians?
Can't really dismiss something based on so little info, so tentative yes.
> I've also noticed most of what kids learn about Indians is through media which is interesting.
Yeah, curriculum on natives is optional at best in most public schools. I was taught essentially nothing, like Sacagawea was namedropped and that was about it.
It's unfortunate, but the general feeling seems to be that Indians are an irrelevant culture. Something you might hear about in history class, maybe hear about a new casino in the news or see a couple bitching about Halloween costumes on Buzzfeed. But that's about it. Nobody actually important - no scientists, doctors, entrepreneurs, or politicians shows up under the public eye. It's a culture that's essentially never thought about until it comes time to make something potentially offensive about them, and even then it's mostly the non-natives that have had little to no education about Indians they're afraid of offending.
>>82712962
It did solve the problem, they're a broken people who will never bother society again.
Also, Dude, ‘Indian’ is not the preferred nomenclature. Native American, please.
>>82713346
Are you being snarky?
>>82713355
This thread has been going on and on about people saying the same thing when OP has made very clear that he's indian and indian is the prefered term.
These posts only show how fucking alien are indians to whites and how patronizing they can get.
>>82713355
>>82713496
I think he's referencing something
>>82713496
Amerindian is more precise. Preference doesn't change that.
>tfw someone is talking about Indians and I'm not sure if they mean Native American or Asian Indians
Fuck Christopher Columbus, making everything so confusing.
>>82713445
That is the kind of the the US government is known for doing.
>>82713496
That's just like, your opinion, man
>>82713586
That, and he was a genocidal asshat.
>>82705714
I'm cool with it. You guys are pretty cool.
Polynesians > Native Americans > Non American Blacks > South American Hispanics > Japanese and Koreans > European whites > American anything
>>82705714
Jeff Lemire does his homework on First Nation issues and he screwed the pooch on JLU in general, but Equinox is Cree and seems to be well-done.
>>82713496
obviously the terms should be changed to red dot and woo woo to avoid confusion
My favorite Native Indian character is Turok. I'm sure there's more Native protags in comics and whatnot, but he's the only go-to one I've had experience with in my lifetime.
>>82713648
>non-american blacks > anything
They kicked out whites and then their whole continent went to shit, started to beg whitey to come back. Fuck africa in general.
>>82712886
They're Kachina dolls, aren't they?
I remember seeing some for the first time in a museum exhibit and the first thing I thought was "man, if those weren't invaluable artifacts of Native religion, I'd be collecting them".
>>82713739
There's some yaoi injuns in Twin Souls. Pretty much only worth playing that game to laugh, though.
>>82713623
I am liking this gif
I'm a third native american on my mother's side and have always sort of been fascinated with native american spirituality and culture. One of my many favorite /co/ related characters is Turok of all people and as far as I know, he's a fairly accurate portrayal
>>82713797
Don't forget them at they sold their own people into slavery
>>82713814
No! Dude, buy some hand made Kachinas from wood carver, the art is dying out and we need more people collecting them from. Real Kachinas, not factory made stuff, collect them all! Go, off with you!
The people of the Andes were pretty based. They grew more food on the sides of fucking mountains than Peru currently produces on the same land, they domesticated some of the best crops on the planet, got by with no beasts of burden, and some speculate that pic related was actually a research farm meant for breeding and testing new crops in a location that has significant temperature difference between relatively small changes in elevation. Also their masonry was amazing.
>>82713797
>implying it wasn't shit before
Whites didn't bring anything except for a few railroads for shipping all of Africa's natural resources out of Africa.
>>82713739
>>82713929
I just saw a reprint of the original Turok at a pirate site.
>>82705714
I legitimately don't understand why we still refer to Native Americans as Indians. I'm not even an SJW, I just know it's factually inaccurate. How long did it actually take for people to realize Columbus made a mistake?
>>82714042
Story time? :3
>>82714074
you should read through the thread
>>82713797
>implying Africa is the only source of black people
>>82712435
>>82713089
>pretending to know the race of people on an anonymous imageboard
>>82714074
They're numerically insignificant and don't complain about it. Also the US is pretty conservative so it'd have to be made a huge issue to get changed.
>>82714217
Sweden, of course.
>>82713952
What does that have to do with comics and cartoons?
>people get mad over the fact that Native Americans aren't Indian
Are these the same people who claim Egypt was black because it happened to be in Africa? Or is it just complacent laziness?
>>82711989
Underrated and based
>>82714356
guys...
>>82714343
I didn't have an Emperor's New Groove image.
>what's your personal opinion on Indian characters?
MLK says we should judge people by their character
>Would you watch a cartoon about Indians?
If it's well written sure
>Indians
No, I don't want a show about telemarketing. Now, if you're talking about Native Americans, then yes. Yes, I'd like to see them in a more modern capacity.
>>82706352
>>82708660
I would kill for a story about Nayenezgani. I also remember some 90s direct to TV movies that were American Indian mythology that I remember being really fun to watch
>>82706708
Look up the current J.K. Rowling drama
>>82714994
Do you have the name of those movies?
>>82715073
I DON'T and it really hurts that I don't know it, I just remember sitting on my grandma's bed watching it on TV as a little shota
>>82705714
I have a friend that claims to be part native american and is very serious about it. Like, I'm not about to ask her to pull out her genealogical papers and prove anything, but I'm kind of guessing she's at most 1/8th or something, and she doesn't seem to make the culture a big part of her life besides maybe having done some reading and slapping one or two tacky native wall art pieces in her house. But she is extremely uptight about it. She wants to do something on Columbus Day this year, but she insists on calling it "Indigenous People's Day" because she thinks the idea of celebrating Columbus Day is evil or something. She hates Peter Pan for being insensitive and spreading misinformation. So that's the kind of person I'd have to deal with when media representing native americans comes out. It has to be either be 110% accurate while also painting them in the best light possible and putting emphasis on the white man's oppression, or I need to hide my enthusiasm for it for fear of starting a shitstorm. Sorry for the rant but it's sorta been pissing me off.
>>82714074
Same reason we still won't switch to the metric system, I assume.
>>82713586
>tfw Indian and initially not sure if they mean my Indian or the other Indian
Let me tell you, it's always the other Indian.
>>82715364
Well that was just bad marketing coupled with conservatism. If the metric system hadn't been so heavily associated with the French at the time everyone was switching over we might be using meters and liters.
>>82705714
I think we need more delicious little brown gi... I mean, we need more diversity in inclusion and stuff.
>>82715427
Yeah, but at this point we don't change because we're used to it. It's not a perfect comparison because there would be some actually physical difficulty in switching to metric, but principally they are both things that started for historical reasons a couple hundred years ago and now we still don't just change.
>>82715238
It's okay, thanks anyways
>>82715332
Well nothing wrong with mix bloods, there are lots of 1/8s that are a big part of communities but she sounds like one of those who claim identity just because. I know a couple of 1/8th girls (and some adopted in whites) who have identity struggles because they're considered Indian to their family but not to whites. However, those who don't care about the community and and don't work to help their people out but claim blood for "muh heritage" reasons really suck.
>>82713739
what about the tauren?
>>82715056
JK Rowling is an Ethnocentric hack though who didn't even study the background of her own culture's mythology before tossing it into her haphazard book series
>>82715576
Tauren bother me but not nearly enough to actually be offended. It was just more of a bummer to go through their starting zone because most of their quests felt like they did a madlibs with Indian terms rather than actually doing any themeing.
Overall, about the same level of authenticity as humans representing medieval europe, was just a bit of a bummer because it could have been something a little more.
>>82715056
I remember that there was some harry potter fanfic set in burgerland that used native American mythology and something about sacrificing children to house elves but I forgot what it was.
>>82715998
>sacrificing children to house elves
lmao
>>82707530
>>82707883
I fucking hate public institutions south of the mason dixon line, not even because of the indoctrinated politics, because I can't pretend that doesn't exist up north, but because the south is just so shitty at running their own backwater excuses for local governments. This is especially relevant if they ruin themselves for the sake of "muh principals, or muh god"
This project I stumbled on on /co/ a while back seems relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OQkXzGx62I
>>82716376
Posting some pics.
>>82705714
Tiger Lily, Chel and Pocahontas pretty much cemented to my pre-pubescent mind in the 90s the fact that I will never be attracted to white women.
>>82716118
found it in the tvtropes fanfic rec list
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4684861/1/Alexandra_Quick_and_the_Lands_Below
>>82716376
Looks fun, let's keep our fingers crossed
>>82716629
You got an Indian girl yet?
>>82716649
God speed, thanks anon
>>82716788
Do you think I'd waste my time here if I had a gf?
>>82716423
>>82715998
Well, there were some Native American tribes that did sacrifice children. Don't know if there's a connection.
>>82711891
Pretty sure skin-walkers have already been used - in literature, films, comics, games (PnP and Vidya), maybe even cartoons.
That horse has long left the barn.
>>82706220
GRRM didn't create that rule and his books are mediocre pornography and you should feel bad for leonizing that fat hack.
>>82713161
Yeah, she took fire because she applied every native tradition to her pre-existing Western-influenced mythology of "witches" and "wizards".
>>82716928
>Don't know if there's a connection.
nah house elves are supposed to be like fairies. they try to trap you in magically bound deals. f you ever read the dresden files or any other fantasy book with fairies in them they're like the unseelie court
>>82716848
Yes.
>>82716848
Go get yourself a feathered gf, I believe in you anon, you can do it
>>82706289
>>82706293
He'd be of indigenous origin, but of Central American extraction.
>>82705714
What's the point? We never get to see real Native Americans, it's always the sensitive, in tuned with nature peaceful ones that get pushed all the time.
We never get any true depictions. I wanna see some blood and violence.
>>82705714
because there are no such thing as Indians,they where not unified people so making anything about them is like making a story about the European. Indians as fictional beings are very limited the same way a fictional cowboy is limited, the interest for them is down.
>>82711891
>skin-walkers
where did she use them?
>too religious
top kek. there is no such thing, it depends on peoples sensitivity but there is no taboo about any religious beings
>>82707871
you like them or your dick does?
>>82706367
around blacks never relax
>>82706220
also not many people are in touch with their ethnic religion so going to deep is not need but basic research is always good.Do you lose your shit when someone says they hacked their tv show it can show 8k despite the source vid only being 1080p?Do you rage when someone says they used their leet skills to combine all gaming consoles into one super console?now imagine that with religion
>>82715332
she is a retard trying to pretend she is part of something bigger.Im assuming she is middle class.
>>82719059
>you like them or your dick does?
Yes.
>>82719094
I think I may even place her leaning towards upper middle class.
>>82712519
>angels
christian stuff is never treated as taboo, you can have outright heresy and not be stopped but make leggings with hindu,tribal designed and they are taken down instantly.
This entire thread is the reason why we don't see Native American characters. You have Native Americans defending the reason why they want to be called indians and other Native Americans/people telling them why they're wrong for doing it.
Making a Native American character is opening a can of worms because we're not a confined people, race or even culture, we all hail from different tribes and societies but we're thought of as all having eagle feather headdresses and rain dancing.
Fuck off with that idea of mythology appearing in media because you're just making another noble savage from the plains cliche.
>>82719154
are you familiar with black hitler?rich kids often get that urge.
I don't think any cartoons really get Indians right. The sheer amount of ignorance about Indian culture is mindblowing, even among more progressive people. I mean, most American shows set in India don't even have designated shitting streets. What the hell Amerikkka?
>>82715332
>that girl at school who got offended when you made Polish jokes because she was 1/16 Polish
>>82719287
but what is the halocost?
>>82719242
generally progressives are annoyingly ingorant and don't even notice. I was reading reviews on young stalin and they are full of shit like "I did not like it because its full of unpronounceable Russian names(they names aint even Russian)" you look at young justice and their "diversity" equals each character acting like a pokemon where a Hispanic says ese every 2 seconds and Japanese girl only says gomenasai (20 times)
>>82705714
which natives? US natives? maybe
Mesoamericans natives? YES because WE WUZ LITERALLY KANGZ
>>82716979
Agreed.
>>82719156
They should be. We need to go back to the Inquisition days.
>>82705714
This is probably the first /co/ related Indian thing I remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MUuDFeoyvM
(Why the fuck don't they make cartoons based off poems anymore)
After that I don't know really but I remember being a big fan of Forge when I was kid. although his race didn't register until I was older, I just thought a guy that could build whatever he thought of was cool. And now I think it's kind of fucked up he isn't on a Reed/Tony level in regards to inventions. Just another example of THE FUCK'N WHITE MAN keeping the injun mutie down. In DC Manitou Raven was on the Justice League for awhile. Dawn Star is also DC but I just know her I don't remember reading anything with her. Then back at Marvel There's Dani Moonstone and Echo who was a deaf version Dare Devil I think. I can't remember how that worked but the art was crazy good in those books. I think it was with Marvel knights if that helps.
But I think Indians pop up often-ish in comics i know way more fictional Indians than I do real ones. So on that representation scale or whatever I think you guys do pretty well, But yea, Hiawatha I'm pretty sure was my first Cartoon Indian. AND I can't remember the name but Lonestar? Fucking future Indian cowboy with a talking horse partner.
Ohh I don't know why really but Nakoma has become my waifu and I'm trying to get a drawfags to make more art of her, but no one will bite.I think it's because they hate your kind.
>>82714074
To answer your question, the Italian cartographer Amerigo Vespucci was first to demonstrate these lands were not part of Asia around 1508. It's why they are called the "Americas" and not the "Columbias".
"Indians" stuck out of habit and because it distinguished the European colonist "Americans" from the Natives.
>>82705714
Indian characters work really well in coming-of-age and Man v. Nature stories.
I would love to see a cartoon built on a backdrop of exploring nature, surviving by fortitude and wits.
>>82715332
/co/ is not your blog.
>>82705714
>Would you watch a cartoon about Indians?
As long as it's good, yes. If not, fuck it, I don't need another worthless pandering shit.
>>82707650
Chakotay was thrown completely under the bus by the writers, and they never gave him anything but that fake "akoochiemoya, I am far from the bones of my people" crap. Robert Beltran is hilarious, and knew exactly how stupid the role was. His hobby on the show was fucking with the production team, but they were so retarded they never actually noticed. This pose has a 99% likelihood of being him fucking with the production team.
But Voyager was just a crapfest in regards to writing. Sometimes it's good by accident, but that's it.
>>82705714
Odawa Indian here
I can't say I particularly care about accurate or tasteful representations, or representations at all. At best, I feel like no one's really tapped hard enough into the "wise noble savage" cliche enough, think Turok. Badass Indian hunter that also has spirit powers. Shit, that could be a cool setup for a contemporary Van Hellsing type of story.
The stupidest things to happen in recent media regarding our people is California Indians throwing a bitchfit over J.K. Rowlings including a few paragraphs about the history of native american magic in her Potterverse. There was literally nothing offensive about it and it showed a decent amount of research and thought on her part. She figured out how to make Indian superstitions/myth fit into her larger magical world. And people were somehow upset about this. It really smacked of some college indians that just WANTED to be offended because it
I feel like all the indians that get all SJW about it never actually had to live on the ghetto-ass reservations. Our people have REAL fucking problems, and last I checked, fucking Harry Potter isn't real. You have to be going way out of your way to be thinking that was offensive or appropriation. Again, we have real problems that need to be dealt with using actionand money. Throwing a fit at supplementary Harry Potter material just makes it look we don't have enough real problems, and that's far more damaging than any sports team name.
Native here
Yeah. I would like to see more representation that ain't "princess" or wild savage. And NDNS are always gonna bitch and fight about what's right or not right. The best course of action is to consult someone if a certain tribe. Some of us have something like dead tribes tho. Lenni-Lenape hardly have history to speak of because we didn't write, it was all spoken word from elders or painted through pictures or through ceremonies. But that's probably not just my people,I think a lot of natives who were genocided to hell and back have this issue.
>>82724375
Outside of the more advanced mexican peoples such as Aztec and Mayans, a few tribes had simple writing. Wampum belts, off the top of my head.
I remember reading something about how out West there were some indians, in the midst of Louisiana Purchase colonization, at the last minute tried to impress the white man by becoming more like them. They made a system of writing and started publishing a newspaper and shit. It kind of worked but then gold was discovered on their land...
>>82718843
Dances With Wolves is the movie for you
>>82712296
It's [current year] guys, come on
>>82724264
>>82724375
Question for you guys, I'm 1/8 native and my family has a big name for themselves with multiple tribes. They do a lot for the community but I feel a bit afraid to be a part of the community myself because I'm white. No actual native people have made me feel bad about this, but I always feel ashamed around white people when I speak up or my ethnic background comes up. What are your personal opinions on mix bloods and adopted in "Indian" peoples? I thought I'd ask you first hand since I'm afraid of talking to my family about it.
To stay cartoon related, pic related is a damn good comic I recommend to everyone.
Croat here.
From my outsider perspective I think you Americans are overthinking this. Obviously I have nothing against Indians. Which brings me to this - remember all those old western godtier movies and so-called "bad representations" of Indians? It is precisely due to those that we here and in Europe as a whole know and are aware of Indians. Simply put from a close perspective you might think that a work of fiction is bad, but from an outsider POV we saw and see it as something potentially interesting, and are unaware of any faults. You might think this is a bad, uninformed thing, but the only bad stereotype I'm aware of about Indians is that they shouldn't drink firewater because they can't handle it. That's hardly a shocking hatefact and more of just a fact.
Furthermore, the Italians made shitloads of comic set in the Wild West and the Indians there were always depicted in a positive light, barring a villain or two. Zagor is a godtier comic for instance. Basically the whole of ex-YU grew up with comics such as that one.
Likewise, the Germans of older generations loved Indians and created much media about them. Looking back it seems this was trauma based.
Also, take Tiger Lily in OP. A SJW fucktard may rage and spewshit about various "problematic" things about the Indians in Peter Pan, but I and doubtlessly legions of others enjoyed it without any negative assumptions.
>>82712886
It would be cool to see a jrpg style game with those guys I'm interested in Indian mythology. By the way check out Shin Megami Tensei Soul Hackers that games plot has tons of native mythological stuff and a spirit guide demon named Kinap/Redman
>>82724988
I would say to rename the natives of America by something else entirely from Indian or Native American maybe something like Irimian race or something.
>>82725298
Thanks. Also, if your interested in this stuff you should really check it out for yourself. You can learn a lot, and most tribal people will be willing to talk to you if your brave enough to ask.
>>82720821
No way I like Christian imagery and mythology and stuff it's rad as hellI'm not just saying that because I'm a Christian myself
>>82725229
Hey, can you answer this for me? >>82725216 thanks
>>82725216
I'm mixed Polish and Odawa so my experience is similar to yours, except it sounds like you were never on the reservations.
In my experience, there are very few full-blooded Indians. In my whole family (just counting people descended from my grandma), there's like 5 of them. And I'm counting among dozens of cousins and aunts and uncles and nephews and such. Race-mixing is the norm, and there are tons of white indians and mexindians and a few black indians. So being white isn't really something to be ashamed of. Be proud of your heritage all you want.
As far as the credibility you have when speaking on your heritage, I think it depends on how much actual experience you have with your heritage. It's kind of like how black people will sometimes gauge each other based on whether they're really from the "hood" or not. If you've never been on the reservation or lived around indians, maybe don't speak up so loud because you weren't there. There are dudes more indian than I am that don't know shit about their heritage and never set foot on the rez. There are indians a lot whiter than me that lived their whole lives there, and I feel like I don't know shit compared to them and almost like I have no right to speak on native issues when they're around.
That's my take on it anyways, do whatever you feel is reasonable. If you think being proud of your 1/8th makes you look like a tool then don't be so loud about it. But if you don't care, do it up. Being 1/8th isn't weird at all, and if you were there then who the fuck is to tell you that you aren't indian?
I should read that comic.
>>82725676
You are asking me to solve your identity crisis. This is something I cannot do. I will however offer a standard bit of croatian opinion.
There is nothing we loathe more and despise more than second, third and so forth generation Croats who live abroad and have never actually lived in Croatia or basically know anything about it sans bullshit. My cousin for instance lives in Canada. He has never lived in Croatia, yet he has multiple tatoos of our banner on him, along with a few rosaries and a Virgin Mary. Not only is this spic tier but I have never witnessed something like that here. A veteran of our independence war might have the šahovnica tatooed on his shoulder or something, and it is obvious why. But this little shit once went out of his way to insult me and half of the village with his lunatic interpretations of patriotism and the 1990s. I stress that I lived through this total war as a child while he was a baby in Canada, sucking on the teat of opulence and socialism. Basically we despise these pseudo-Croats who somehow think they know more about the country we actually live in while he or she is actually 100% Canadian, American, Chilean, Australian or whatever. We hate them so goddamn much.
There's a moral in this story, and it is a simple know thyself. Are you white or Indian? Stick with one of the two - and if you are white I see no problem if you support and are active within the Indian community. Just never go down the cancer route of liberal guilt and whatnot.
Your case isn't isolated. Biracial people are always troubled. I am against race mixing of any sort, but this is a complex case that's well beyond the scope of my worries (cucks and third world shit in Europe) and doesn't carry the same punch.
As I said this is your issue and you must solve it yourself.
I used to read a lot of comics with Indians and cowboys as a kid. And the Indians were always these mysterious, spiritual and cool characters that knew a lot more about everything than anyone else.
That reminds me, can anyone help me remember what the name of a comic I've been trying to find again? It's from the 80's I'm pretty sure, about a native American tribe and the son of the chief. It starts out with him being born on a cliff and getting his name, later as a manhood ritual him and some other men hang themselves from meat hooks and swing around a pole. It was the first 'adult' comic I ever read and I can't for the life of me remember the real title, only what it was translated as in my country(Thunder warrior).
>>82705714
>Would you watch a cartoon about Indians?
depends on the genre. would I watch a seth mcfarlane-esque comedy about injuns running a casino? no.
would I watch a cartoon about indians fighting for their survival in a cyberpunk dystopian future? yes.
>>82726210
Thanks, I have never lived on a reservation because my dad did in many and decided fuck that for his kids. My dad's always worked for the Rez and I've been on and off throughout my life, I just get treated... weirdly by non Indians. Thanks, your answer is helpful. Also, you should check this comic out its God-tier.
>>82726647
>Are you white or Indian?
That's my main struggle right now, society doesn't want me to be both on neither. It's complicated. Thank you for your reply, I appreciate the advice.
>>82726690
>later as a manhood ritual him and some other men hang themselves from meat hooks and swing around a pole.
Oh fuck you I remember this but can't remember the name of the comic.
>>82726936
Basically, introspection. Or depending on your age putting that aside and forging your own self first, and then examining what you've become and deciding with the benefits of experience and time on your side.
>>82707637
>Calling USA:ians "Americans"
The continent isn't even the only america
>>82718368
Nah, most latinos are mixed race
Tiger Lily was my childhood waifu.
Up there with Alice.
>>82712296
http://nmai.si.edu/explore/education/did-you-know/#2
>What is the correct terminology: American Indian, Indian, Native American, or Native?
>All of these terms are acceptable. The consensus, however, is that whenever possible, Native people prefer to be called by their specific tribal name. In the United States, Native American has been widely used but is falling out of favor with some groups, and the terms American Indian or indigenous American are preferred by many Native people.
>Family has living Code Talker with us
>Show them MGSV and The Hamburgers of Kazuhira Millar
>Fucking ecstatic
The little rep we do get is cool sometimes
