>It picks up after issue 30!
>>82690791
>I'm buying it for the art
>When you read it collected the pacing problems disappear
>>82690791
>Youn don't need to read the tie-ins to enjoy the story
>>82690985
isn't that a good thing?
being forced to read extra to fully enjoy a book seems kinda shitty...
>>82690927
>reading single issues
>its a slow burn but the payoff is worth it
>>82690997
It's usually a lie.
>>82690791
>it's a Bendis book.
>It gets good after the first season!
>>82690791
>rushed end to the arc to make way for the event tie-in
>it's good if you ignore the ending.
>>82692108
>>rushed end to the arc to make way for the event tie-in
Bendis?
>>82692162
It happens quite a bit. Some writers have long story arcs and then they have to wrap it up in time for the event.
I know the Slott got screwed over by Civil War during his She-Hulk run. And JMS specifically told Marvel not to fuck with his Thor ongoing and they went and did Siege.
>just ignore its flaws
>>82692207
He did manage to get a substantial amount of time, which was unusual, but the way that Siege was done almost seemed like an editorial version of vengeance.
>Okay, you can have your little piece of the playground all to yourself
>But the moment your time is up, that plot is shot.
>>82690791
>STATUS QUO
>something new
>STATUS QUO
>character development
>STATUS QUO
>STATUS QUO
>STATUS QUO
>>82690791
>it makes perfect sense to me, you're just stupid
First it was Morrisonfags during Final Crisis, then it was the the Hickmanfags during Time Runs Out. You couldn't criticize anything to them.
>>82692390
Time Runs Out was pretty straight forward
>>82692390
>First it was Morrisonfags during Final Crisis
I'm a morrisonfag and I still have problems understanding Final Crisis.
>>82692097
>It's gets good in the third season, we swear!
>>82692390
Final Crisis is not at all hard to follow.
>>82692446
It was pointless and took twice as many comics to tell a story any other writer could've told.
And it was all for doomwankery.
>>82692483
I'M GETTING FLASHBACKS TO THOSE THREADS
STOP IT ANON
GET OUT OF MY HEAD
>>82692097
>>82692481
>The first two seasons are great, but seasons 3-16 are shit. It's worth slogging through them all for the great final season though.
>>82692097
>>82692546
This is almost as retarded as
>the game gets good 30 hours in!
Nigger I work all day and have shit to do all weekend, fuck off
>It gets good after x amount of episodes just skip them
>>82692539
But it's true. You might be retarded if Final Crisis confused you.
![nier-cover[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6zTivyz.jpg "nier-cover[1].jpg")
>>82692568
>it gets better after the the third playthrough
NO
>>82690791
>It's a Marlel book.
Ain't nothing wrong with a slow burn every now and then.
>>82692627
I hate those pesky marlel books!
![b92[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/DjyoX9t.png "b92[1].png")
>>82692589
10/10
It's like I'm there again.
>>82692162
Not just Bendis but most events and shit
Grayson just got rushed so they could relaunch it after the Rebirth one shot
>>82692642
You should have listened back then.
![Drake-Hotline-Bling-meme-614x307[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dtoKX6L.jpg "Drake-Hotline-Bling-meme-614x307[1].jpg")
>>82692629
>Ain't nothing wrong with a slow burn every now and then.
>>82692642
>I didn't read Superman Beyond, Submit, Morrison's Batman or 52 but im still entitled to an opinion on Final Crisis
While it's not your fault DC made ot difficult to get all of ut, claiming the comic is inherently bad is pleb shit
>>82692546
>it's only 120 episodes
>only
>>82690791
>The "Minority character" is doing better than the old "white character"
It's weird but I hate it when people say 'Wait until x issue' but I have no problem with the 'The first season is the weak season' excuse.
>>82692546
It's your own fault for watching anime, anon. You should have outgrown that shit in middle school.
>>82692725
>>>/pol/
racist piece of shit
>>82692688
>You need to read the tie-ins for it to be good
>>82692688
>make superman beyond required reading
>never mention it
>darkseid defeated
>MANDRAKK OUT OF NOWHERE
I seriously hope those two issues are in the Final Crisis book.
Besides, even Morrison admitted he fucked up.
>>82692773
That's not what be said. Work on yor'e reading comprehension.
>>82692773
This is what's keeping me out of comics, to be honest. Every event seems to have a dozen or more different stories attached to it that I need to read to get the entire story. I guess a self-contained story is too much to ask from capeshit, gotta push those other garbage runs that are selling like shit!
>>82692725
>I want solo book of gay character
>I didn't want solo book of said character while he was straight
>>82692825
>This is what's keeping me out of comics, to be honest.
>/co/
>>82692794
It's like I'm in a Hickman storytime thread.
>>82692842
I should have clarified: It's what's keeping me out of capeshit.
Also, /co/ is comics and cartoons.
>>82692842
/co/ - Just comics
>>82692794
It kinda is tho. Saying >you're not entitled to am opinion on it if you haven't read those
To somebody who disliked or didn't get FC basically says he would like it if he had read them.
>>82692855
Indiean pls
>when it really does pick up after a couple of issues
>when it does get GOAT after the first season
>>82692880
>when it gets cancelled in 6 issues
>when it doesn't get renewed after the second season
>>82692318
>Walking Dead
>>82690791
Ive never heard that
>>82692931
>got cancelled because the toys weren't selling enough
>>82690791
Oldfag here.
When this came out massive hype & tepid reaction DC told me on the phone "It gets better by the 7th issue."
>>82692615
Fuck you
NIER is a masterpiece
>>82692788
They are and so is submit
>>82693009
No, they'll tell you it's shit, go buy X-Men.
>It's cute and fun
>>82692875
>still forcing this meme
>>82692097
>It's only good because of that thing that makes it good. If you took out the thing that made it good, it would no longer be good and therefore it's bad.
>>82693109
>it's only good for the waifu
Now I'm not saying I watch shit for that reason but...
>>82692108
>When you can practically taste the writer being told to wrap it up with every page
I don't know if there's anything that disgusts me more than watching the annual group fanfic steamroll everything happening just so a lot of bloated nothing can happen.
It's like going to a buffet and enjoying the various dishes each chef made, then some asshole storms in, throws all of it into a blender, serves it as soup, walks out and you're still expected to pay because he owns the place.
>>82693109
Well, thinking that a story should have more than one good element is kinda legit, especially since
>it's only good because
Even implies that people saying this actually like it.
>>82692832
>>I want solo book of gay character
>But I'm not gonna buy it even thought it's what I wanted.
>>82693221
>I want solo book of gay character
>I don't like comics
>>82693221
I really wonder how would Iceman: Gay Edition's sales compare to Midnighter. I doubt he's that popular among X-fags.
>>82693257
Or
>I don't read comics
Those fuckers deserve public impaling.
>>82693221
>>82693257
>I want solo book of a gay character
>I won't buy it or support it outside of talking about it on the internet and then cry when it gets canceled
>>82693301
Christ, this pisses me off. You get these armchair activists and keyboard warriors whining up a storm about how something isn't inclusive enough, that it doesn't represent this group or that group, and then the milquetoast doormat writers cave in to pressure and include it, and then the motherfuckers don't buy or support it at all.
>>82693618
It really pisses me off, like especially if I wanted the same thing or if its a character I like/a genuinely good book. It's the worst.
Or then you get the opposite where they actually DO buy it and it's just terrible (example: Gillen's Young Avengers was fucking terrible, but people actually bought it and it was relatively well-received)
>>82692481
>that picture
Is this real?
That's not real.
Right?
>>82692568
>>the game gets good 30 hours in!
This, now this shit right here. Fuck that shit. If a game isn't fun to me in at least the first 20 minutes in, I drop that shit. I make some exceptions here and there but overall, fuck this trend that a game needs to be a slow burner for the first 2-3 hours.
>>82693287
Impaling by its very nature is public, don't you think?
>>82694220
I've privately impaled a few people myself.
>>82694403
How does one go about doing a private impaling?
>"_____ is dead and he's never coming back"
Yeah nigga relax Captain America/Spider-Man/Wolverine isn't gonna stay dead clown.
>>82692162
>Bendis
>rushing
Bendis is usually behind everybody by one event. When Infinity happened he was still doing AoU.
>>82692162
Bendis doesn't get rushed. Marvel lets him do whatever.
He's usually still doing event tie ins after the event is done. Right now, the Road to Civil War II in IIM is still going on while Civil War II is happening.
>>82690791
>When does it end?
>Issue 32
>>82692481
I love the series but that character was so retarded
>>82692162
Bendis?
>>82694617
Bendis.
>It gets a sales boost from being popular with 4chan fetishists but gets canceled 2 issues later.
Anyone remember Glory?
>>82692097
First seasons of comedies and/or non continuity-reliant shows are usually meh. Whenever someone tells me that I just skip the first season.
If a continuity-heavy show has a bad first season, it can go screw though.
>>82694628
The Brian Michael Bendis?
>>82694700
Woooooooo lawdy. That was deep kek, thanks anon. Almost forgot.
>>82694700
>canceled
Glory ended because the writer and artist finished their story and wanted to work on other projects.
Sales were not the problem. Just look at Prophet. Four years later and Prophet is still going.
>>82694767
Yeah that's what he said, Bendis.
>>82693843
It's real and was deemed something SHIELD should be called in for.
>Claim X is good
>Only reason talk about it is for waifus and shipping
>not interested in characters
>"You should read their X story."
>read X
>didn't like X
>"You didn't look at enough. Also read Y an Z.."
>read Y and Z
>didn't like Y and Z
>"You just don't get the characters!"
>>82694454
I'll never understand how people still get so upset over character deaths. Is it just every single new fan throwing a fit every time?
>>82695134
That perfectly describes Star vs The Forces Of Evil
>>82690791
>following characters
>not writers
your loss
>>82695713
This applies more to writers than to characters.
>This show is good, but here is a list of what episodes to skip.
>>82695713
>mfw Superman and Wonder Woman fans say that shit all the time
>>82692855
>>82692825
I remember about half a decade ago here, an anon said
>If you're not already into capeshit, there's no point in getting into capeshit.
It was one of the wisest things ever posted on /co/.
>>82692832
>I want a solo book
Solos are shit
>>82693287
Scott is the only member of the O5 who isn't shit
>chaos is the best team at high TV
Fuck that shit I specifically play undead because I want a team that's good out of the box. I'm not playing 20+ blood bowl games to get a good team
I have no idea what this is called but it pisses me off.
I recently bought a bunch of Ghost Riders and I only buy comics once a year, so they better be good.
Issue #41. Dan's mom gets kidnapped by Centerious.
Issue #42. Johnny is also kidnapped by Centerious now. Read Spirits of Vengeance #1 to find out how!
Issue #43. A whole bunch of shit apparently happened between issues. At the end it says to read the conclusion buy Spirits of Vengeance #15. Am I supposed to buy a whole separate series to figure out what the fuck is going on?
This happened a few years ago too. It was a three parter of Ghost Rider and the X Men vs. the Brood. To find out what happens in the middle I better have fucking known to buy an X Men comic too.
>There's nothing wrong with the artist also being the writer!
>>82696368
I prefer duos and teams, but I don't know, solo is... SOLO! Making it to the big leagues and shit.
>>82696443
It'll always surprise me there are people who love Angel when he isn't Archangel.
>>82690791
>It picks up after T'Chala fucks Sue!
>>82696498
What the point of mutations even if everyone picks fucking claws anyway? Chaos my arse.
>>82696662
I wish mutations were random. Also there is a BB thread/league on /tg/
>>82696554
I spotted the pleb.
>>82690791
>I don't want to get into comics because there too hard to follow
I don't get this, when you go looking for a comic you pick out which one you want as in you pick out a story that you feel you'd enjoy. You don't got to read any tie ins or spin offs to get the story, only if it's like a volume series it would probably be reasonable but, the other volumes don't pertain much unless it's a big event. The other stories don't matter it's the one you bought that matters. Why can't more people think like this?
>>82696554
there isn't. I wish more western comics creators did that.
>>82696826
Imagine if someone said
>I don't want to get into any movies at all because Marvel and DC movies are too hard to follow.
>I don't want to get into any television shows at all because Marvel and DC shows are too hard to follow.
That would be ridiculous.
If someone says
>I don't want to get into comics because there too hard to follow
then you should explain to them that "comics" are more than just Marvel and DC, and that almost everything outside of Marvel and DC is much easier to follow.
>>82696929
Hell, they could even read contained series like Watchmen or Bone. Not all comics continue forever.
>>82696545Continuity porn?
>>82696554
Depends on the artists. Plenty of artists have made the jump to being great writers, or vice versa.
Reed is the biggest c...
>>82697020
you where saying?
>>82692825
>>82692788
>>82692773
It's really fucking simple. You look at the writer. Grant wrote Sumbit, Superman Beyond and Final Crisis. Why would you read Final Crisis without reading the other stuff, obviously a part of the whole story by the SAME GUY? Like if it was another writer's tie-in I'd understand but damn
>>82692629
Slow burn means it has GOOD build up
Slow burn does not mean it's shit until halfway through
>This run is so shit they ruined the character
>Why do you keep reading it then?
>Because I like the character, dumbass
>>82697105
>daredevil looking shocked in the opposite direction
>You don't read, care for, or know [my favorite comics]
>Therefore you don't read comics
>>82699079
>You don't like superheroes? Pretentious much?
>>82696545
>be reading through Amazing Spider-Man in its entirety
>pretty good, really enjoying Roger Stern era
>1989 hits
>Michelinie takes over, stories stop being impressive
>EVENT NAME, part 1 of 6
>read it, hit next issue on tablet
>EVENT NAME, part 5 of 6
>wait what
>look back at 1/6
>EVENT NAME continues in 'WEB OF SPIDER-MAN' , 'PETER PARKER, SPIDER-MAN', 'SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN', 'ADDITIONAL SPIDER-MAN BOOK' and 'TALES OF SPIDER-MAN'S LEFT FOOT'
>skip 5/6
>next issue is THE EVENTENING 2/4
>skip until I get to an issue without this shit
>Spider-Man: Man, life's been pretty CRAZY since I went to ANTARCTICA with WOLVERINE and my new COSMIC POWERS
>what
>skip until JMS takes over
>realize I just skipped a whole decade of terrible comics
>>82699568
You did the right thing
this entire thread
>>82699975
Is your pic supposed to be related?
>It gets really good after the first 150 issues but don't read the last 100
>>82690791
To be fair, some stuff does have a weaker start mainly due to the creator trying to find their feet.
An average but promising Volume 1 can be forgiven. Great if it gets good.
If it's still weak in Volume 2, it's time to drop it. Regardless of if it "gets good" later.
Les Nombrils is an example of the former.
Scott Pilgrim is an example of the latter.
>>82694934
The same Brian Michael Bendis that works for Marvel?
>>82700170
Scott Pilgrim is relatively weak in the beginning compared to the later volumes but it's still at worst inoffensive. Besides, it's cool to see O'Malley's style improve over time.
>>82700217
Brian Michael Bendis works for Marvel?
>>82699568
I relate entirely to this.
Luckily the books that crossover wildly aren't the ones I buy as much these days so I count myself lucky.
>>82697105
But not Doom, it's Reed in the Doom suit because he was having one of his insanity fits.
>>82692757
No all anime are shonen anon-kun!
>Just think of it as a separate entity from the source material
>I'm definitely going to buy [insert comic] because it stars [insert character], even though the creative team hasn't been announced
>>82690997
>being forced to read extra to fully enjoy a book seems kinda shitty...
>forced to read extra book seems shitty
Nigger, you don't deserve to read.
>>82696826
I agree for the most part, but
> read OTHER COMIC #4 to see what happens next
Is bullshit.
>>82700258
Brian Michael Bendis... works for... Marvel?
>>82693843
We have this discussion every time this picture gets posted. It is real.
>>82694154
Same but there are exceptions, like Earthbound takes a bit longer than that and then it's amazing the rest of the way through.
>>82696554
Mike Mignola tells you to go fuck yourself.
Jim Starlin and Frank Miller would, but they're past their prime and are kind of mad.
>>82700731
This fucking bullshit is why I can't read Spider-Man.
>>82690891
and?
>>82692725
What the fuck does that even have to do with the topic at hand?
>>82700797
Brian Michael Bendis works for Marvel, dumbass.
>>82696968
Doesn't watchmen have pre-spinoff series of all there characters contained into 5-6 volumes?
>>82690791
>It's not for you!
>>82694442
Impale them in a location no one can view.
What's so fucking hard to understand about that?
>>82692097
>It gets good after episode 24!
>It has cute waifus
