Bringing Homestuck to Hollywood
Oh gog Jesus
https://youtu.be/wxGDu0xcZKA?t=6m50s
Homestuck 2.2: This Is (Not) Stupid
>>82670019
Make is stop.
All this Dante Basco posting made me rewatch HookIt doesn't really hold up
>>82670237
It didn't even hold then
>>82670237
It's okay. It didn't deserve all the hate it got from critics. Hussie never put things in his comics because they were good.
>gog
>>82670249
That dave could really use some work.
>>82670282
Oh John will work on him alright
>>82670269
Jegus
>>82670249
>dave became sbahj
a dream come true
>>82670297
John will probably segregate Dave from Karkat and lock him into a room with Jade who recently just ate some icecream that had aphrodisiacs in it, while Karkat gets sent into the punishment room.
>>82670308
FUCKASS
>>82670019
Homestuck: The Animated Series when?
>>82670377
2018
>>82670345
Jade doesn't need drugs. She threw on a low cut dress the minute he came over. She thirsts mightily.
>reddit and tumblr love this character
How?
>>82670408
>womens sex drives get stronger with age instead of weaker
>jade is immortal and already craving cock like water in a dessert
there will come a time when she does nothing all day but fuck and still isnt satisfied
>>82670492
Do you even need to ask?
We need Proasheck Guide to Homestuck: Ending edition
>>82670492
Davepeta's non-binary, and that's a substitute for being a likable character.
>>82670492
They think combining two good things into one makes something better. This isn't always the case.
>>82670492
>im suddenly confused about my gender
basically purified reddit smw bait
Is Karkat a Page now?
>>82670492
I'm just happy Nepeta got to do something
>>82670534
He has evolved into the Cuck of Space
>>82670534
he invERTED
IT's obVIOUS
>>82670497
She got janes need to breed alongside whatever dog stuff was done to her. You know she'll be the first pregnant out of all the girls
I'm the best
Simply...
the best
what if blood just makes you useless
>>82670620
What a shitty fucking aspect then
>>82670606
I was a little surprised she didn't turn up in the alpha session with Davesprite's two-year-old babyMaybe that's why he dumped her. She was trying to get pregnant.
>>82670616
Void powers OP please nerf
>>82670492
i like because it's unlikable
>>82670620
if there was such thing a blood powers we would have seen them, so blood has no powers
>>82670606
If she died in childbirth would that count as a heroic death?
>>82670616
FUCK OFF MOM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>82670693
Why would she die during that? she's immortal lol
>>82670641
Davesprite died before they entered a relationship
>>82670520
That didn't happen at all though, Davesprite got fused with pure concentrated shit for this.
>>82670658
It's yet another disappointment that they never addressed the idea that maybe Karkat has red blood because he was a Blood player, which simply gave him the most universal and strongest kind, which defaults to red.
>>82670712
God Rose you were a piece of work you hot-pocket ruining stupid lousy shitty fuck
I hope Mom renounced you with her dying breath, God knows she was too caring and sweet to do that
So the HEROIC and JUST systems mean that the best way to play is True Neutral, right?
That way your death never sticks
>>82670712
God, Rose is the brattiest brat in the comic. And Caliborn was designed specifically to be the brattiest brat EVER, keep in mind.
>>82670759
It means if you so much as defy a mildly villainous type you're going to die like a fucking chump because it was 'heroic'
>>82670759
what if sburb has some cruel sense of humor when it comes to morality
like just by witnessing a murder and not doing anything about it, your next death is just
>>82670693
Jade is far too healthy and built to breed for something like that
Rose would probably die, the dumb fuck
>>82670792
>Roll(5d100)+0:
>34,37,32,18,22,+0
FUK yea
>>82670641
How would Dave have reacted? Would he raise his alt self's son?
>>82670862
You could write an entire story as long as Act 5 about that universe
>>82670755
Someday this version of Rose will be the only one I remember.
>>82670862
would you still be a cuckold for raising that child
Since it's still YOUR child with YOUR own genes
>>82670759
Or just be a nice guy who's also a gigantic pussy about dying. Like, would it count as heroic if you sacrificed yourself but became a really bitter crybaby about it and died with snot and eye boogers all over your face? I think Jake came back like that once - or maybe just because he was caught off-guard like John.
>>82670792
25% chance none of the 75% chance people die.
>>82671011
you sure do think about nothing but cuckolding
hell of an obsession you got there
>>82671011
Ultimate selves
>>82670943
It's all I remember now. Rose died sometime in Act 4. Now we have this retard to make fun of for the rest of her miserable, pointless, unwanted existence.
>>82671038
wtf i just got here
>>82671075
and yet, the very first thing you can think of is cucking
>>82671068
she died in the doomed timeline where dave was.
Alternatively her doomed timeline self merged with rose, effectively killing the good rose's thoughts and processes
>>82671011
That isn't even what that fucking word means stop memeing or kill yourself.
>>82671025
I think the idea is that the possibility of multiple deaths instead of just one exists. If you're unlucky on one side, a guy duys. If you're unlucky on the other, you could be looking at a greater tragedy.
>>82670534
>Karkat's transformation into a Page
>he starts wearing shorts
>and sandals and socks
>and openly cries in public when Vriska or Terezi bully him
>Everyone telling him how great of a leader he will be
>needs mommy Kanaya and Dave to constantly support him
>>82671098
u win this time
>>82671136
Fuck that I want to punish those assholes for not grinding hard enough to abuse the system to score at LEAST a 95% damage reduction rate I mean come ON
>>82670492
I think there is a major difference in the way fans across the community think of characters in stories.
Some readers think of them as people, and others think of them as characters in the "literary concepts" sense.
"Character-people" fans care more about their favorites being happy and safe, even if they don't learn, whereas "character-concept" fans care more about said faves growing, improving, and generally fulfilling an arc in the story, even if they don't find happiness by the end.
So, two paths to two very different senses of satisfaction.
You see what I'm getting to: I think people on HSG are overwhelmingly character-concept type readers, whereas on tumblr and reddit character-person fans are the majority, or at least more vocal (hence why "everyone on the new universe seems happy, so the ending didn't bother me that much" is a popular sentiment on tumblr).
And what was Davepeta in the end? The sprite fusion was a magical ticket to happiness for both Dave and Nepeta, even though they learned absolutely nothing. Dave found a sense of internal peace. Nepeta found... a sort of drive to find her place.
They just happened to complete each other's personalities like that, and benefit from the weird-ass transcendental insight granted to sprites-squared by SBURB.
So, tl;dr magic fixed their problems and made them happy, which is a perfectly fine resolution for them as people, and a spectacularly shitty resolution for them as characters in a story.
Personally, the loss of identity that comes from characters being fused together squicks me out a little, so it's also one of the reasons I dislike Davepeta. Homestuck has a lot of horrifying implications that float to the surface when you think about anything for more than two minutes, and this is one of them. Or maybe it's just me.
Navigating your god tier death options
>>82671105
I'm still not sure why that didn't doom Rose. Doomed Rose would have made for a much more fun antagonist for an Act. Made more sense, too. She was legit afraid of just being alone forever.
>>82670620
I don't think Kankri was supposedly useless
He just spent a lot of time getting triggered over basically nothing
>>82671228
>Nepeta found... a sort of drive to find her place.
anyone who says nepeta gained anything from the davepeta thing is kidding themselves, nepeta was used to tie up the loose end that was davesprite, that's all that happened
>>82671260
No we can rest assured Kankri was COMPLETELY fucking useless
I want to post my shitty ocs again
>>82671241
Fuck, that middle one is good. You both have to coordinate to kill one of you and have the trains collide instead of pass each other and kill 6 more people.
>>82671344
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>>82671361
>>82671372
Cute! CUTE!
>>82671361
>>82671372
One of the most fuckable fantrolls I've ever seen t b h
>>82671361
>>82671372
thicker
>>82671387
What about Minami? Where does hairslut rank?
>>82670862
Would it be part sprite, or normalish human
this is my fantroll Burgus Gresel he is a burgerserf and his strife specibus is condimentkind
his horns are spatulas
>>82671446
bretty gud
>>82671446
not enough pimples and greasy hair
>>82671436
Right up there with her. Love hair.
>>82671330
>>82671344
>>82671361
>>82671372
i like them, the blue blood is very cute
>all those classpect theorists call Karkat a shitty example of a Knight and Blood player
>when those fuckers praised him as a good example back then
JUST
>>82671676
I hate these fantrolls
>>82671603
It's because they have no fucking clue what Blood is about. They completely dismissed what he said about warrior spirit, and insisted it's "relationships."
Warrior spirit powers sound like being in a fight makes him stronger. Relationship powers sound like he'd just be useless in a fight no matter what.
>>82671228
Hm. I think the thing about the whole 'literary concepts' thing is that if you're not careful it can end up being kind of arbitrary.
Like, I thought this character would have a certain arc, but they didn't, so they're shit. Not that that's necessarily wrong, but it's really dependent on an argument.
If you say, 'I think Kanaya is cool, so I'm happy that she ended up happy,' that's kind of an objective point. It's a clear, logical reason to hold an opinion. The moment you start trying to bring up character arcs, and importance to the story, than you'd better hope you know what you're talking about or you'll come across as kind of a moron.
And of course, there's nothing saying that you can't enjoy seeing a character happy while also wishing they had a better part in the story.
I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE HOMESTUCK ENDED THAT BADLY
HOLY SHIT
>>82671676
Gross
why are poeple still talking about homestuck
on 4chan
its over
>>82671995
S U C K E R S
>>82671940
Blood is relationships because blood symbolizes relationships. It's not a combat class. Blood has never symbolized combat in any culture.
This isn't hard to understand.
>>82671940
Isn't the only thing we know about Blood is its ties to vitality and leadership? I can't remember where it was brought up, or by whom but the phrase stands out in my mind. If so then Karkat can be praised for his work in his session, given that the trolls didn't even play the game properly, but were corralled into usefulness by Karkat enough to wineven if it's likely due in part to Aradia and Vriska's individual contributions.
That's a solid example of Karkat successfully weaponizing through the process of leadership, which should be in-keeping with his status as the Knight of Blood. The problems obviously come later when he has no influence on anything and willingly gives up his position of leader to fucking Vriska of all people, whilst saying he's okay with that situation then being passive aggressive about it. That's some grade A shit right there.
>>82672108
what cultures is light is luck, lamo
>>82672155
Pretty much all of them you stutid fuck
Blood powers let you give your opponents HIV.
Honestly I feel like there's NO WAY Andrew didn't intend to piss us off with that ending.
Vriska lives, never faces consequences or learns? Sure, alright. Trolling us to the very end. I hate that, but I understand.
Terezi conspicuously absent from the epilogue? Already very difficult to defend.
Jack Noir lives while Spades Slick dies? Now that's outright A-grade bullshit. Why would he do this but to make us angry?
Was it just his way to flip us the bird, ollie outie, and drop Homestuck forever with a cathartic "fuck you"?
>>82672064
When you finish reading a book do you just stop thinking about it forever?
Do you stare at /vr/ all day, baffled at the fact that people are talking about games that someone has already finished?
>>82672155
Lucky stars are in like every culture, just off the top of my head.
>you will never pull her pants down
>>82672431
>you will never shove your face in her bush
>>82672431
>No one in the story will ever pin her to a wall and teach her humility
John. Kanaya. We were counting on you, you stupid fucks. God damn it.
>>82672109
>given that the trolls didn't even play the game properly
The trolls were a race that was basically designed to play the game properly. The excelled in pretty much all regards. The one thing they messed up with the the frog breeding. They did have pretty much a max difficulty session, after all.
Reminder they forgot all the dead god tier trolls' wings in Collide.
>>82670755
calm down steelcorridor
>>82672487
Also reminder that the dead Tavros in front of the army in act 7 isn't even wearing the right outfit
>>82672472
They didn't do any denizen quests and they prototyped a horrorterror. Plus everything involving either Sollux or Aradia. Those are not normal.
>>82672472
They didn't even do their choices or listen to then
>>82672352
I don't get it. It seems like with every decision Andrew is simultaneously trying to destroy his fanbase and profit off them at the same time.
>>82672431
>>82672449
>you will never brutally murder her, get your Terezi back and defeat Lord English with your leadership skills
>>82672449
>you will never taste some blueberry juice
just fuck me up, fampires
>>82672579
not to mention he likes men
like... every other troll besides kanaya
>>82672030
What a shitty anime couple.
>>82672579
He defeated clover. Some thing not even the midnight crew could do
>>82672660
the midnight crew isn't exactly the height of competence, to be fair
>>82672579
>he had a character arc
He wanted to become a great leader, and in the end he could barely defeat Clover. What a great character arc.
>>82672579
>this is why theyre so horrified by karkat. he had a character arc, and he had a happy ending, but he didnt do anything that cool in the final fight so hsg is FURIOUS
you realise that's literally one anon, right
>>82672472
They bruteforced the game, which was likely the intent of the alterations Doc Scratch made to Alternia. So they had the skills to assure they'd win, but not in the way that the game itself intended. This lead to the cracks which LE likely exploits to insert himself into sessions to propagate his existence, in this case Karkat's negligence with the frogs.
>>82672702
>character wants something
>character doesn't get it in the end
>LOL WHAT A SHITTY STORY!!!!!!!!!!!
>>82672533
>>82672543
The denizen quests and choices are optional. They seem more like workarounds for weak players.
>>82672702
Don't forget Karkat humiliating himself in front of the army by getting off'd first by Lord English
>>82672659
Whatever board you crawled from probably isn't too pleased that you're reading and discussing Homestuck.
>>82672737
>The denizen quests and choices are optional.
hahahahah this guy
>>82672579
>he had a character arc
W,
>>82672759
why the fuck would anyone give a shit what a random anon does. This isn't a forum or something retarded
>>82672732
>Character has goals for half the story
>Gets dropped so he can be butt buddies with someone
Great """"writing""""
>>82672579
>he had a character arc
Except it turned in on itself and went backwards, that's likely to annoy anyone who actually cares about the characters motivations, emotions and additions to the story.
A lot of characters suffered a similar fate with stagnation of development, even if they end up happy, which is obviously something fans would hope for their characters of choice, it doesn't make up for their lack of relevance to the story or the loss of their character arcs meaning. That last sentiment relative to the character in question of course.
>>82672732
>character gets fucked over through the whole story
>you expect Vriska to suffer in the end, but it was still fucking Karkat
>now reduced to Dave development tool #2 and half-assed male Rosemary bait
>>82672840
>>82672874
>le marketable homo
You guys really think everything's a ploy for money huh? How do you wake up in the morning?
>>82672911
neither of those posts even mention money
>>82672768
But they are. Winning Sburb seems to require three things.
1. Beat the Black King and Black Queen before the reckoning destroys the battlefield, and toss their rings into the volcano
2. Breed the correct genesis frog
3. Release the grist hoards, either by killing the denizens or bartering with them
Of course, we've never really seen a completely normal session, and there may not even be such a thing.
>>82672954
half of the critiques for post-retcon homestuck is "it got bad because he pandered to faggots for money"
>>82672579
In retrospect it's kind of weird that HSG likes (liked?) Karkat more than Tavros.
Despite being a massive nerdweenie, Tavros shows frequent hints of improvement and eventually accomplishes something cool.
He's got the qualities that (possibly) made Mituna popular, too. That is, he's a foul-mouthed, unapologetic dork who's "broken" in a way, suffers from some asshole's horrible abuse, and also has a good heart and a strong sense of right despite how much of a joke he might seem to be at first glance.
(I kind of want Mituna and Tavros to talk now. That would be hilarious, can you imagine?)
>>82672976
well thanks for telling me but the posts you replied to sure as shit didn't say that
>>82672911
>>82672976
You're right, Andrew would never do anything for money.
Admit it, you don't like Karkat because you project as Dave and don't like being considered gay.
>>82672991
karkat was great, and tavros was too much of a weenie
What did she mean by this?
>>82673025
Speak for yourself.
I project as DD.
>>82670249
>Dave and Karkat's hands aren't outstretched to one another
So close.
>>82673026
why do people keep saying this? like did everyone forget the horrific abuse he went through? he was in a fucking wheelchair
>>82673051
ALL YOU NEED IS VRISKA
ALL EVERYONE NEEDS IS VRISKA
LOVE VRISKA
VRISKA WILL FIX ALL YOUR PROBLEMS
>>82673077
obviously HSG doesn't give a shit
see: dave
>>82673077
the reason for his weenieness doesn't matter, he's still a weenie
>>82673051
>you don't need him to cum on your feet... you need me
>>82673077
look, it only matters if they're not a cripple
>>82673089
hey man look, there's all these unique and cool characters that could make the comic interesting BUT LOOK VRISKA IS HERE
>>82673077
>he was in a fucking wheelchair
He's hadicapable
>>82673103
>the reason for his weenieness doesn't matter
>>82673077
He was a weenie well before his crippling. That's part of why he got crippled. That and bluh bluh huge bitch
>>82673184
>whole arc is off-screen
gj andrew
>>82672991
It takes him way longer to get to the point where he shows progression with his issues. Whereas Karkat was someone with clear goals and challenges from the get go, and it seems like he was moving towards those goals given how he was clearly respected as a successful leader on the meteor after his efforts in the troll session. His character development stalls a bit and is nearly obliterated by the retcon. He never really deals with her personal challenges either which is a real turn off as well.
Tavros on the other hand starts off a weenie, but one you wish the best for, problem is he never really makes much of a dent in facing his challenges as Vriska is just too invested in him. I understand why he struggled so much, but that doesn't absolve the distaste it brings seeing him act as a doormat for so long. Eventually however, he comes into his own and starts to realise he can make his own choices. Then his development is great to see, it's a highlight of Act 6 for me.
>>82673184
>wow yes hsg yes you are exactly as angry as i said haha yes!
what the fuck do you dumbasses think karkat's character arc was about? he starts as this self hating everything hating angry 4chan nerd who rages constantly and wants to be an epic badass just like you fucks do. then, slowly, without totally throwing away his ragey ways, he starts getting more comfortable with himself and others, gives up on the dumb badass shtick and starts building some real relationships. hes not that good of a fighter so he gets a token fun appearance in the final battle, but hes on the way to becoming what we're outright told will be a great and cool and caring leader of an entire race in the distant future.
you guys just get ass-pained by the implication that being a lonely internet rager is a bad thing and growing out of it is in fact a positive character arc, because then you'd have to look at your own dumb lives
The fuck did I just read?
>>82673216
he was a weenie that tried his best and was on his way to slowly developing into what he wanted before having that torn from him.
>>82673261
again none of that is his fault, though. it feels like people here (though really it's hussie's faults) are downplaying the shit vriska did. fucking hell, caliborn didn't pull crap like this.
>>82673294
>and wants to be an epic badass just like you fucks do.
once again, that's literally a single anon making those posts
>>82673184
We don't see him become a leader and in that log near the end with Kanaya he talks about his weak denizen and how he knew he was worthless and just wanted to sacrifice himself for someone important at that point. He didn't become a mature person with real relarionships; he just gave into depression.
>>82673294
>you guys just get ass-pained by the implication that being a lonely internet rager is a bad thing and growing out of it is in fact a positive character arc
karkat didn't fucking grow out of it, his final moments in the comic were him trying to be a cool fighter, he didn't grow towards leadership in the slightest
>>82671372
I raise you one fan kid
>>82670019
I don't dare to click this link. Can someone summarize?
fuuuck he's hot family
>>82673420
Bringing Homestuck to Hollywood
I still say Hussie's going to make a Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff show on Adult Swim.
>>82673502
That's the only Homestuck tv show I might approve of
>>82673301
I see where you're coming from, and yes I agree Vriska is the primary reason for Tavros not challenging his issues or reaching for his goals. She's toxic and drags him down despite thinking she's actually toughening him up.
My point is that in terms of endearment, making the reader care about the character, Karkat does a better job of it early on as we're shown the struggles he faces, his own and those forced upon him, and how he willingly reaches for his goals despite the troubles. Tavros doesn't do that, we know what he wants to do and it's pretty damn obvious what challenges he faces, but because of the presence of Vriska and his own meekness he doesn't show enough willingness to obtain what he wants. Understandably people connect more with Karkat due to his impetus to face his challenges, the issues start when his impetus to meet said challenges stalls and then regresses.
>>82673525
oh i don't disagree, especially given karkat's focus.
>>82673436
cherubs confirmed for no nipples
>>82673051
thanks doc
>Karkat's current epilogue status:
>no moirail
>constant self-loathing and embarassement of being beaten-up by a midget
>mentality tied down with his relationship with Dave
And now let's see what happens when Vriska comes back and bullies him or Jade/Jane steals his Dave away.
>>82673554
They're covered by the suspenders. They obviously have swirl nipples of their blood color.
>>82673569
>>no moirail
He doesn't need one you dipshit.
Seven fucking years and people still think moirail is "best friend LOL"
>>82673051
The retcon was basically Terezi getting John to fix all of her personal issues.Would have been nice if this didn't work out totally for Terezi.
Like, in the epilogue, Vriska is dead and Terezi realizes that she isolated herself from all of her friends to spend three whole years with someone who left her because she'd rather kill the bad guy than be happy. And now she has to learn how to move on and live without Vriska. This won't happen, of course.
>>82673549
Yeah, I'm just trying to put it into perspective. It's one of those things where you identify and care for characters that are introduced early, and sadly for Tavros he didn't have a very strong introduction primarily thanks to everyone's favourite character Vriska. Though there are other issues obviously, but queen bitch is once again primarily at fault for an issue with the comic.
>>82673603
But Hussie clearly thinks that moirail is "muh sibiling relationship".
>>82673569
>>no moirail
The reason that the other trolls have trouble placing the quadrant that Dave and Karkat landed in is because they're filling the role of both matesprit and moirail for each other.
Would you suck Hussie's purple pecker if it would change how the comic ended for the better?
>>82673637
i just think its baffling how hussie resolved this whole thing. all tavros gets out of this is a funny dance and an eternity of being dead.
Vriska<>Terezi is probably the most toxic moirallegiance in Homestuck, they literally do the opposite of what moirails like Equius<>Nepeta or even early Karkat<>Gamzee are supposed to do by enabling each other so hardcore.
>>82673392
nahh, he just grows towards being a good guy. the leadership shit is far in the future. you can be a leader working towards most goals even as a total cunt, but the only way to become a moral leader of people is to become a fairly good person yourself first. like a philosopher or some shit. basically karkats gonna be gandhi except shouting and saying fuck a lot
>>82673603
He quite clearly needed a supportive relationship of some kind given his constant aggressive bursts and self loathing, and effectively had one in Kanaya and arguably Dave. It was just never actually acknowledged for whatever reason.
>>82670249
12 billion hours to fix your suck.
Sincerely,
A davekat shipper
>>82673715
Looks like they inverted their quadrant
>>82673703
Pre-GO Tavros is double dead and post-GO Tavros is going to live a life of torture if sprites get to enter the new universe. Thanks for playing.
>>82673569
>epilogue is just Vriska fucking everybody in the ass
>>82673569
Jade already stole him
>>82673569
kanayas blatantly set up as his moirail
>>82673051
It was meant to hint at Terezi's destructive tendencies to emotional dependence.
She thought the guys in her life were the problem all along and she never considered that Vriska would exploit her and chip away at her self-esteem.
Because that's what Vriska does. No one is off-limits to her, and she naturally sees relationships as resources she can exploit for personal gain.
Terezi never figured it out. That's what it means. She trusted Vriska and she paid the price everyone pays for doing that.
>>82673077
Boggles my mind, too. I think it's hard for people to factor the consequences of abuse into a character's personality, especially when said character is a guy and guys are expected to not be victims.
So the only explanation people come up with is "oh, Tavros was a weenie from the start" (like >>82673216) even though that's kinda wrong. Tavros would make a perfectly well-adjusted, nerdy thirteen year old (and he would seem that way if he wasn't surrounded by supernaturally competent psychos).
A lot of readers think of Tavros as an already "broken" whose brokenness caught Vriska's attention and caused him to let her walk all over him. That's the easy, low-effort perspective, and it's a form of victim blaming.
We we should think of him as a regular kid who was worn down by an exceptionally nasty bully who was relentless, obsessed with him, and completely in control, until it became clear that he'd only survive by letting her do what she wants. That's how abuse works. Acting like a weenie is a defense mechanism you develop to survive in those situations.
Tavros was exceptionally resilient. He humiliated himself with every attempt to stand up, but he never stopped trying. And then he succeeded. Or at least (Tavros) did.
And in my mind that's more difficult and admirable than killing off some generic bad guys. Not to mention way, way more relatable. That's a kind of everyday-badass role model we need.
>>82673742
:^(|)
>>82673725
>nahh, he just grows towards being a good guy. the leadership shit is far in the future. you can be a leader working towards most goals even as a total cunt, but the only way to become a moral leader of people is to become a fairly good person yourself first. like a philosopher or some shit. basically karkats gonna be gandhi except shouting and saying fuck a lot
well i mean, great headcanon but none of that was being worked towards in the comic
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>>82672919
Why the fuck was your comment deleted? That was actually pretty insightful and I don't see any rules you broke, plus i agree with your point 100%
>>82673768
Kanaya is going to fuck him silly
>>82673703
Hey, I think the original Tavros came out of the whole situation with one of the few complete character arcs with meaningful payoff. He finally realised what he wanted, realised he could make those decisions for himself and do things his way and he did, whilst also sticking it to Vriska. He also stood up to the ultimate bad guy, good end in my books. Post-retcon Tavros however.. well let's just not think about that sordid situation.
>>82673810
>Why the fuck was your comment deleted?
It was posted in a Homestuck thread
>>82673798
>none of that was being worked towards in the comic
What do you think was going on with the Kanaya and Karkat meeting Echidna plot?
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>>82673810
Janitor loves Karkat a little too much.
>>82673732
o boi
nice
>>82673798
disagree. in fact i thought it was almost too obvious like hussie was spelling it out too clearly as he sometimes did with characters emotional issues in act 6
>>82673715
The weird thing is Terezi seems to know it as well, makes me feel sorry for her given her other friends are either taken or dead.
>>82673838
a whole bunch of shit that is completely dissonant with what karkat does immediately after
>>82673843
I think we need to do something else. If any of you know any mods, or know someone who knows mods, please reach out. This is getting ridiculous. This has been ridiculous.
>>82673822
How do you feel about him bowing down to Meenah?
>>82673703
>baffling
Not really. Having a meek character get one over on an abuser and playing it straight would be way too unironic. He wouldn't know how to handle it.
>>82673732
Heh, looks good.
>>82673897
Maybe if multiple people complain every time it happens we will annoy the other mods into action. I don't really know how this works. I do feel like they've let up on deleting our threads lately, though.
>>82673822
i see what you mean, perhaps i just feel it's a 'too little too late' kind of thing.
>>82673901
i wouldn't have minded if tavros did have a tragic end though, as long as it was, you know treated that way. retconning his abuser into life and making her the hero didn't sit right with me.
>>82673732
NO MO HOMOS
>>82670019
the time has come
ban all homestuck threads
report all homestuck threads
delete all homestuck threads
>>82673810
i think the poster deleted it to repost with dancing tavros
You fucking idiots, the jans didn't delete the Tavros/Karkat post. The original poster just deleted it to upload a dancing Tavros gif he forgot to add.
>>82672991
>>82673952
>i wouldn't have minded if tavros did have a tragic end though
Yeah, the original death of Tavros, where he finally stands up to his abuser and she kills him, worked pretty well. And Vriska's death was good too. Then dream bubbles became a big deal.
>>82673777
I think you're letting your obvious bias against Vriska color your perceptions a little.
>>82673810
I fixed two typos and added the dancing Tavros gif! It's right here. >>82672991
>>82673624
>she has to learn how to move on and live without Vriska
Man I wish the retcon had never happened and Terezi's arc had gone that way. No cloun bullshit, just Terezi escaping her spiral of guilt and letting the wounds heal.
It would have been so good. So fucking good. God damn it.
>>82673885
MMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOODDDDDSSSSSSSS
>>82673899
I'm not sure. I can't tell how it was intended to be taken, ideally it was Tavros making the decision on his own to give it to Meenah in a way that he knew would work for her. So, he flatters her and makes her seem like the most important person in the bubble which ensures she'll take the army off his hands, whilst also pissing of Vriska who likely thinks she should be the most important person in any situation. It makes sense to me, given that the rounding up of the ghost army was Tavros talking and convincing them to help, not everyone is going to be won over by being nice, so it stands to reason he had to be a bit sneaky with some of those people, like Eridan, Equius and the dancestors.
On the other hand it could just simply be he was happy to hold that position and preferred Meenah being willingly in command then forcefully, sends off the wrong message and all that.
>>82674015
Vriska is presented consistently as a godawful person to everyone including Terezi, the person who brought her back to life; hating her is natural, not a weird and irrational bias
>>82674015
>bias against Vriska
Vriska is an abuser, a murderer, and just a plain bitch. She tries to do one or two good things when she wants to kill Jack Noir and when she wants to kill Lord English, but it's hard to say how much of that is altruism and how much is her hogging the glory. Vriska is a rotten person.
>>82674015
>bias against Vriska
gee now why would anyone have that
>>82672991
Yeah man, I may not really like Tavros because he reminds me of me, but at least he tried.
The fuck did Karkat do? Yell at others, jerk himself off in front of a mirror, and make a poor attempt to hide his blood color?So much for being a leader, eh?
>>82672911
But Anon.
Hussie created Meenah to sell Pisces shirts.
compare and contrast the (direct) harm caliborn and vriska did and it's fucking incredible
if anything caliborn would have gotten tavros a golden wheelchair with a pimp cushion or some shit. jesus christ.
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>>82674032
You can delete posts? I've been on this website for a year and I had no idea that was a thing you could do :/
>>82673899
it fucking sucks but if he hadnt done it i'da thought there was some serious out of character shit going on. people dont turn around THAT hard that suddenly. hes spent his life being bossed around by an angry bitch, at least this one is marginally better than vriska.
I can't tell if Hussie thinks the post-retcon scourge sisters relationship is good or not. He makes it pretty obvious that Terezi is emotionally dependant on Vriska but that Vriska doesn't need Terezi and takes her for granted, but at this point I can't tell anymore if Hussie thinks that's a bad thing or not.
>>82674142
Vriska abuses all her quadrants. Why do you think Ghost John left her?
How come at the end of The Blind Prophet someone yells "bobby"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClhUae7DMs
>>82674142
considering how basically everyone acts towards vriska on the frog platform, he probably genuinely thinks their relationship is fine
>>82674168
becausedreams don't die
>>82673952
>a 'too little too late' kind of thing.
Exactly, those fans who liked Tavros were rewarded in the end, and even those who may not have liked him early on likely appreciate his efforts to develop later in the story. I think the lack of focus is perhaps just satisfaction, there's nothing much to complain about as pre-retcon Tavros' eventual character arc is solid, so people stay quietly content.
Even just him facing up to Vriska is a good end for him, especially if he'd been more of a supporting cast troll. But it seemed the intent with him was as more of a main character troll with Karkat and Terezi so it wouldn't have be an ideal end in my mind.
John "Slay The Gay" Egbert is now 100% canon. How differently does the plot go?
>>82672991
I used to hate him, but then I realized that was only because I hated Vriska so much and I associated him with her.
Tavros would have been a much better character without the spiderbitch.
>>82674213
No one survives.
>>82674179
>John interupting Vriska's monologue to thank her.
>>82674115
Caliborn is a lot worse than Vriska, but it's understandable not to feel that way because all we see Caliborn do is be funny and we only get kind of a vague, nebulous idea of what he's responsible for. He's responsible for the death of a shit ton of universes, but we only see this play out in Universe A, and he plays a very mysterious role in it, mostly acting through Scratch, who in turn acts through lots of other smaller scale threats.
Jesus christ, I forgot about sleep tight. I wish it stayed that way,
>>82674266
>John interupting Vriska's monologue to thank her.
oh christ, i forgot about that part, didn't john tell vriska she was a terrible person a few hours ago from his perspective?
>>82674142
i wish we got to judge all the relationships for ourselves like this. there were quite a few where hussie came out too explicitly and stated through a character that he thought they were good/bad. its better when you can assess for yourself rather than trying to work out what the authors opinion is.
>>82674115
I love Caliborn, but he probably would've filled Tavros with bullets on sight just because he could
>>82674266
This is one of the most jarring things. I mean at least all the others have an excuse to accept Vriska's bullshit since they've been on a rock with her for three fucking years but then here comes John who less than 24 hours ago said he hated her is openly thanking her. Like what the fuck?
>>82674213
This >>82670249 and this >>82670345 happen, John kills Dirk and Jake, and exiles kanaya from their universe so Rose can become part of John's harem
>>82674320
Don't worry, he goes back on hating her ass when she threw a tantrum of another (Vriska) existing. He mentioned her dead-last and almost forgot about her.
what did he mean by this
>>82674332
jake isnt gay, hes pretty much asexual. what do you think john's conversation with him on the lilypad was for? he was kindly nudging jake away from dirk's influence so he wouldnt have to kill him.
>>82674142
Terezi is just a broken person. There is no timeline where she gets a happy ending.
>>82674266
John is a simple person. He put his faith in Terezi and saved Vriska, and because of this, his friends are all alive. He's thankful for that.
Never mind whether saving Vriska was necessary to success or not.
>>82673732
Another victory for John "Cocksucker Crusher" Egbert
>>82674416
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>>82674426
Jake's not asexual, he got a boner from seeing Aranea.
