Introducing the All-New, All-Different, All-Original, All-Beef, All-American Wasp!
Helmet looks retarded
>>82664989
I'm just glad Jarvis hasn't been replaced with an AI yet.
>>82665120
>Jarvis' not muh
>while surrounded by no less than 3 legacy characters (is Miles a legacy character?)
Totally called herbeing a kid from Hank's 1st marriage
I'm happy, hope this is a turn to more continuity stuff. It could be a good mix with the kids who are consistently the best part of the book
>>82665145
Honestly, I'm surprised he hasn't.
The "old British butler" thing is kinda worn out.
Figured he would have had an "accident" and be uploaded.
>>82664947
You forgot all-under-Heaven.
>>82664947
>All-American
Yeah, about that...
>>82665221
Ey there's the stuff.
>>82665177
The other ones got the seal of approval of their predecessors
>>82665268
Rich gave the thumbs up to Sam?
>>82665265
Oh Bucky, you'll never stop fucking people over in flashbacks, will you?
>>82665268
How exactly did Nova get that?
Or did they assume Speedball's was close enough?
>>82665239
I love how Ms Marvel lets people explain these continuity deep cuts.
Also don't think the years actually work but whatever
>>82665265
>Red Room
>her name means Hope in English
I want MCU sinergy to die
>>82665265
sounds like a fucking fanfic
Reminder that Nadia means Hope
>>82665354
Sliding timeline
>>82665311
>>82665342
Nova wasn't an identity, he was part of the Nova Corps. The title was never his.
Also Jarvis didn't know Rich.
>>82665337
I like that Waid is straight up doing a plot involving evil soviet russia. Throwbacks
>>82665265
>is a "I was created by x goverment and I am perfect in everything" origin story
>>82665435
You know, if her dad was anyone but Pym, I'd call this cheesy.
>>82665364
>He's family
You got me. Even though I'm not working out that tree
>>82665370
The MCU didn't invent the Red Room.
It makes perfect sense, Pym's wife was kidnaped by the Russians
>>82665370
Your a fucking retard
>>82665186
For some reason shit like this break down my suspension of disbelief in regards to the sliding timescale, Hank's wife was already dead when he first showed up back in 1962, her kid would need to be at least in her 50's.
And that's a wrap. Next issue: Space!
Hope you all enjoyed the storytime
>>82665515
>>82665482
so how long til she says she knows the black widow or was trained to kill like the winter solider or for that matter the russians come back looking for thier "weapon" or do some brainwash stuff to turn her....
>>82665528
So stuff like reeds kid being stuck at the same age for 60 years doesn't bother you?
>>82665555
That's why I said it's weird, I'm used to comic book characters not aging before my very eyes, but when someone shows up for the first time and her age doesn't coincide with what it should be, I have a hard time with it.I just really hate the sliding timescale
I really love Waid is putting a Wasp at around the same age Jan was on the team but who's going to actually act like a kid. She's got Pym smarts too. For balance
>>82665528
I'm no prizing she was froze like Bucky as a baby? and only recently got out. But then again it might be a plot point eventually? Red Room would mean like Bucky and Black Widow age
>>82665555
it doesn't take anything away for me I just think it's fun talk about. remember when ben and reed served in a war.i don't budge at Punisher and vietnam though
>>82665472
Isn't Pym still in space in an Ultron suit?
Did Jan die again?
>>82665311
Nova corps is a thing, but eitheirway a lot of people who knew Rich gave their seal of approval even Rich's own parents.
>>82665695
Nope, she has her own life
>>82665680
He'll be back soon enough.
I can't wait to see Ultron getting jealous of his sister
>>82665695
She's still alive, Waid says she'll officially pass the torch to Nadia
>>82665680
I think he's coming back to Earth soon
>>82665186
A lot of people did.
>>82665517
Oh cute, it's directly tying into Nova's book now.
>>82665656
Punisher is quickly approaching a point where even the Gulf War was too far back for him, soon he will become a veteran of the Iraq war.
>>82665725
>>82665739
>I think he's coming back to Earth soon
...in next week's Uncanny Avengers
>>82665772
>Nova's book will be doing the Bendis ordered Civil War shit
>ANADA Will be continuing the main plot of Nova's book.
I'm okay with this.
>>82664947
So even though this is MCU-synergy, I don't mind.
Nadia is almost nothing like Hope, and her origin is based on established Marvel continuity.
>>82665265
Fucking really?!
>>82665120
He didn't get this mad when Hank was the wasp
>>82665364
How the shit does she know all this other Avengers stuff but not about Kang?
>>82665480
I guess Vision would be like her nephew.
Still the fact that Vic is connected to Hank is enough for him to be her family I guess.
>>82665872
That's a very good question. You'd think she'd remember that time Kang the Conqueror nuked Washington and took over the world. And if she was isolated until recently, you'd think it would have been in any wikipedia article about Pym, Wasp and the Avengers
>>82665145
I was expecting them to make him more Agent Carter-like.
Haven't read a single issue of this. Only picking this up for Pym's daughter and the hope of him eventually showing up. Here's hoping it's good.
>>82665472
>The rest of your family
And that would be...
>>82665872
Reminds me of how Bucky had no idea who Kang was after at least 2 years of being out of the ice and active in the superhero community.
>>82665854
Because Hank wasn't some random nobody walking in to take the identity.
>>82666008
>Bendis can't write _____
Surprise, surprise.
>>82665994
Jocasta, Vision's kids, Wanda, Grim Reaper's corpse under Vision's rug.
>>82665994
Wasp, Victor Mancha, Jocasta, Wiccan, Speed, Wanda, the Vision family and her forgotten half-brother William Nelson.
>>82665931
all the invasions would kind of start blurring together I'd imgaine
>>82666062
Willie Nelson?
>>82666078
Kang is the only villain that has actually succeded at taking over the world. Unless you count Doom using Purple Man to brainwash everyone.
>>82666111
Tigra's son
>>82665994
From Hank's "Relatives" section on the Marvel Wikia:
Angela Pym (paternal grandmother, deceased);
Brad Pym (father);
Doris Pym (mother);
Maria Trovaya (1st wife, deceased);
Janet van Dyne (ex-wife);
Vernon van Dyne (father in-law, deceased);
Ultron (creation, "son");
Ultron-1 (creation, "son," deceased);
Dimitrios (creation, "son");
Alkhema ("granddaughter");
Jocasta ("granddaughter");
Victor Mancha ("grandson");
Vision ("grandson");
Vision (Jonas) (personality engrams of Vision);
Thomas Maximoff ("great grandson", deceased);
William Maximoff ("great grandson", deceased);
Thomas Shepherd (Speed) (reincarnation of "great grandson");
William Kaplan (Wiccan) (reincarnation of "great grandson");
Wanda Maximoff (granddaughter in-law);
Machine Man (grandson in-law);
all regarded by Ultron as part of his "extended family" due to their familial connections with the Vision
William Nelson (genetic son);
Busy family.
>>82665265
At this point I'm surprised that Colossus wasn't trained by the Winter Soldier, since obviously all the Russian characters know each other. It's not like the Soviet Union was huge or anything.
>>82665160
>come on, lemme help. Vision and me are practically cousins!
>>82666148
Reminds me of when Bendis created Jessica Jones with ties to literally every superhero at every corner of her life.
>>82665120
Cute
>>82666133
What about Tigra's son?
>>82666148
I think every russian hero who was involved with the government knows each other. Colossus was a child of some farmers who went off to America to fight Sentinels and shit.
>>82665854
Waid doesn't care for that phase in Pym's life. He's ignored it till now. The whole Slott/Gage era was pretty good for him though.
>>82666208
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/William_Grant_Nelson_(Earth-616)
>>82665160
Why are Kamala's hands ove rher mouth as if she just heard some dirty secret?
>>82666222
Colossus knew Darkstar, Vanguard, Ursa Major and one of the Crimson Dynamos I believe
>>82665313
>never talk to me or my dad's son's son again
>>82666254
She's fangirling internally and containing her squee
>>82665181
If she gets an original last name that's not Pym, I'll be upset.
>>82666232
>William was conceived by Tigra and Criti Noll, a Skrull agent posing as Henry Pym.
Tigra sucks
>>82666262
At this point sure, throw the Winter Soldier in. Why the fuck not
>>82665186
>Totally called her being a kid from Hank's 1st marriage
Wow anon. Just from her name that's obvious.
>>82665528
>her kid would need to be at least in her 50's.
It was retconned that Peter was Spider-Man around 13 years when Original Sin came out, in comic-time it's been 16+ months since that, the age seems about right.
>>82665528
Comic book time.
In universe, Reed and his family got their powers around 16 years ago.
a very short issue
and sadly, the plot seems to be retarded
>>82665480
Her nephew. It's not hard, you retard.
>>82666133
Surprisingly no connection to Summers' family.
>>82666489
Well Janet does have that thing with Havok.
>>82666489
All it takes is one link and now the two sprawling trees will be unified.
>>82666133
Genetic son should be in quotes too
who is the Wasp's father?
>>82666370
>in comic-time it's been 16+ months
8+, at being generous. Secret Wars sent back time to moment before Hickman's New Avengers #1. 8 months timeskip from Time Runs Out and 8 moths timeskip betweenSecret Wars and ANAD is the same 8 moths after the reset.
>>82665354
>Also don't think the years actually work but whatever
Child characters have been fucking retarded ever since they introduced Hulkling (in the sense that, since there's no mention of accelerated aging in him, we now can confirm that the Avengers have been around for as long as he's been alive).
>>82666509
Victor Mancha needs to knock Hope Summers up.
Let me guess, Bucky murdered Pym's first wife?
>>82665872
She studied Pym and his family, which, if you know anything about Marvel, is the most convoluted family tree except maybe the Summers. She probably knows about Immortus though.
>>82666592
To quote Kieron Gillen:
Every time you try to make sense out of Marvel Timeline, Dennis Hopeless kills a teen hero.
>>82666616
With his robot seed?
>>82666620
I thought the same thing.
>>82665528
important events, particularly origin stories, get dragged behind the present. time literally does not work how it does for us.
>>82665543
>I have only one complaint: Redwing isn't in this book enough
Charlie knows what's up.
>>82665775
There's canon explanations, he's been deaged when turned into an angel and when Frankencastle happened at the least.
>>82666564
...Hank?
Or Vernon if you're talking about Jan.
>>82665872
I have a strong suspicion the Vision thing was a smokescreen to distract them and keep them from thinking up important questions. That is to say, this kid is from an alternate timeline and just got shunted her by Kang as a sleeper agent.
>>82666672
Apparently he can. Last issue ofRunaways BKV wrote had q&afrom creative team and BKV went on how he sees the future Runaways with a pair of Victor and Nico's kids. So yes, Victor can make a girl pregnant, according to his own creator....
Even have this moment when you stop typing and just sit there, realizing you don't believe what you are talking about?
>>82666736
McCoy?
>>82666559
Even though the father is technically a Skrull, his DNA was identical to Pym's in every way, so Pym is basically a sperm donor.
>>82666188
Alias was written with Jessica Drew in mind, and JJ was shoved in as a crude ersatz when he wasn't able to use her.
>>82666698
That's the kind of pseudoscientific explanation to comic book idiosyncrasies that I hate, like the literal grid of bad juju around Gotham explaining why it never gets better.
>>82666620
DAMN YOU BUCKY! STOP DOING SHIT IN FLASHBACKS!
>>82666799
>there was time when Bendis wouldn't get everything he wants
>>82666652
Are there any other Marvel "kids" who's births are directly tied to an event in the Marvel timeline besides him?
Related note, I actually read the Kree-Skrull War during my Mar-Vell reading, we never actually see Mar-Vell and the Empress meet.
>>82666746
>yfw she's actually Wasp and Havok's daughter
>>82666841
OTPfag, go away.
>>82666800
if you're talking about this grid, Batman of Zurr En Arh is batshit insane and represents all of Batman's neurotic obsession with seeing patterns and trying to 'solve' them. the grids aren't real.
>>82666685
He's the ultimate orphan-maker.
>Tony's parents in the MCU
>Daken's mom
>Nadia's mom
>Electric Ghost's dad from his solo run
>>82666874
I don't know what to believe in anymore, fucking comic books, why couldn't I get into a simpler hobby.
>>82666883
>>Tony's parents in the MCU
How long until someone at Marvel makes him also responsible for Tony's parents in the comics too? Not for Maria and Tony but for his new biological parents whoever they may be.
Also I find it kind of interesting how Wolverine forgave him for Itsu but I guess knowing Bucky beforehand and having been brainwashed to kill himself kind of made Logan more sympathetic.
Kind of wish they had never dropped Daken's anger towards Bucky tho, I thought about him finding out about Bucky being WS was going to lead to something, because he got severely triggered by it.
I think this book kinda sucks
>>82665993
If you want Pym read Uncanny Avengers starting next week.
>>82667061
you're not wrong;. on the other hand there's been more actual plot in this chapter than anything prior in the run.
>>82666489
There used to be when scarlet witch was magneto's kid, with Pym>Vision>Wanda>Polaris>Havok
>>82667054
>I thought about him finding out about Bucky being WS was going to lead to something, because he got severely triggered by it
To be fair, Daken might be quick to anger, but he's also intelligent, so he's more likely to blame the one who ordered the kill, rather than who carried it out.
>>82666841
>implying Alex should be with anyone but Lorna
>>82665120
And there's the movie synergy at work I'm guessing.
>>82665177
Granted this does make his rant a little silly.
>>82665472
I like how her whole shtick is trying to save and rally up the fucked up dysfunctional pym family
>>82666133
>three Williams
>four if you include the larger ant-family
Jesus Christ, there's a lot of characters for a franchise that has only a few years worth of comics
>Waid is writing another Russian character
Does this mean we'll get more google translate Russian?
I kinda like Nadia.
>>82667527
She's Hungarian.
>>82667566
Me too. But too early to tell.
>>82667589
Her mother's Hungarian. She obviously grew up in Russia.
>>82666577
Nah man, they were separate 8 months. Everything up until the final incursion happened, and everything after Secret Wars is 8 months after that.
Other than the people on the liferaft, everyone "thinks" the final incursion was stopped, but nobody remembers how it actually happened. It's just that mysterious thing that happened 8 months ago.
>>82666226
Is nobody going to comment how much she looks like Marvel Adventures Giant Girl?
>>82667831
Has that come to affect any of the liferaft survivors in any meaningful way?
>>82666008
>WE WUZ KANGZ N SHIIET
>>82667898
Nope.
>>82667898
its very confusing for them and they choose not to think about it. the only people who remember SW are Doom, Reed, Franklin, Sue, Valeria, and Molecule Man, and of those only Doom is on Earth
>>82665543
Huh. I'm not even a fan of this book but I'm kinda excited about what's next.
>>82667967
also one of the Thors showed up in A-Force last week, bringing the number of Mjolnirs in 616 up to five, I believe. Six if you include a time clone.
>>82665239
>She's Hank's Best Wife's child.
>Jarvis suddenly is perfectly fine with her.
Fuck you, Janet! You are the worst thing happening to Hank!
>>82666182
Shes his aunt
>>82668245
Her siblings are kinda shit, though.
>>82666111
jesus?
>>82668330
Except Mark. He was a good son.
>>82667566
I like Nadia too. I don't however like this new Wasp.
>>82668415
>black rule 63 Shinji
>>82668477
Shinji is a white rule 63 Nadia actually.
>>82667404
He wanted to deal with Bucky specifically (probably didn't know he was brainwashed) but first he had the whole Madripoor thing.
Also Daken is irrational when it comes to his mom.
>>82668477
Other way, actually.
>>82668025
5 ?
>>82668818
the main one, the ultimate one, one brought back from an AIM pocket dimension by Ragnarok (the Thor clone), one I keep forgetting where it came from, and the one brought from Secret Wars by Dazzler-Thor (though it's called Lightbringer rather than Mjolnir)
and there's one in New York somewhere that's stuck in a time loop where Jane Thorster drops it, gets send to the future, picks it up and uses it to travel to the past, uses both of them against a Kang, then leaves one behind so that it's there for her to pick up when she gets sent to the future.
>>82668477
>predates NGE by years
>>82666800
Gotham doesn't keep from being better because the grid, she stays bad because she's trying to make Tim Drake crazy for her.
>>82667967
Also Thanos and probably Loki, too.
>>82666226
Seriously, Hank!Wasp was where I started loving Hank. As an aside, it is amazing to me that the same Slott that was great on Mighty Avengers is so shit on Spidey these days.
>>82669077
Thanos died part-way through Secret Wars and spent the rest of it falling in love with oblivion. Loki bypassed the whole thing and skipped ahead to 616-8 because he couldn't give a shit.
>>82665265
YIKES
>>82665517
Maybe along the way they'll find Dick Rider too?
>>82665313
I laughed at Sam's "I'm good" comment. He really is just kind of a dumbass little shit and I love it.
>>82665364
It'd be pretty amazing if she just showed up like this and then immediately died. It'd be the freshest thing to happen in a long time.
>>82665602
It's a 4:1 scale. The math checks out to me.
>>82665372
Welcome to Big 2 cape comics.
>>82669116
I blame the different editor... or lack of thereof.
A good editor would keep Slot's ego in check and make sure he doesn't make stupid blunders.
>>82666638
>except maybe the Summers
Reminder that Wasp and Havoc had a kid together, so those two are connected as well.
Pym family reunion when?
>>82666062
Well, if you want to count extended family, then there's also Thor.
>>82669787
Wasn't she a fake?
>>82669824
Yep.
>>82666509
Alex Summers and Janet had a daughter that was kidnapped by Kang.
>>82668554
>asian
>white
>>82669824
It was ambiguous at the time!
Guys, is there something like a netflix for comics? I wanna read the civil war comics.
>>82666734
But here's the issue with both of those, and its the same reason that Magneto's de-agings doesn't actually fix the problem with his sliding timescale.
Both of those events happened WITHIN the sliding timescale, meaning that it doesn't actually de-age him enough for those events to still make sense since it would mean that Punisher's first appearance had him be a middle-aged man.
>>82669939
What an odd thread to ask this.
But yes, Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited. Has thousands of comics and adds new comics 6 months after they're published. It has every single Civil War comic on it.
>>82669986
Too lazy to start up a new thread, but thanks for your reply.
Kamala, Miles, and Sam would have been used better on a Young Avengers team imo
>>82670321
The teens are the only good thing about the book. If this was purely focused on just Kamala, Miles, Sam and now Nadia, with maybe a rotating cast of adult heroes coming in to train them then it'd be a lot better.
Thor, Falcon, Iron Man and Vision really aren't doing anything for me in the book. They're just kind of wasting space that I'd rather be spent on the teens.
>>82668687
To be honest, I don't remember much from Daken's run. I do remember Bucky shooting him in the brain on Logan's request though.
>>82666874
Tim saw the grids, too.
>>82665221
>Maria Pym
Oh Lordy.
>>82665265
>Daughter of Hank and Maria Pym
>Found by the Winter Soldier
>Trained in the Red Room that Black Widow was trained in
She's Mary-Sueing pretty hard sir. These levels are off the charts. I've never seen anything like this before.
>>82672694
Damian Wayne still beats her by a country mile.
>>82672694
she needs something Gamma-related and something Asgardian-related.
Then she's Avenger Girl.
>>82665364
>Knows all about Hank Pym
>Doesn't know who Kang is
C'mon girl, get up on this stuff.
>>82665699
Nova Corps is a dead thing
>>82672763
>>82672762
Eh what the hell.
Any Wasp in a storm.
>>82665221
>>82665221
>Maria?
>WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
>>82673108
Chill out Shadow the Hedgehog.
>>82669866
Well, the only place where asian are yellow is in cartoons...
>>82666008
I hate Romita Jr.'s art
>>82666232
Never talk to me or my skrull impersonator's son ever again.
Didn't the FCBD thing with her show her to be kind of evil?
Calling it now. There was no Kang influence on Vision. Wasp set this all up for some long game reason.
>>82677536
>>82677024
This is gonna be a fun ride
>>82665221
>Maria
>HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME!
>>82665364
Oh sure, let's all listen to Tony Stark about who's NOT working for Kang.
>>82678028
Hey man, we all agreed that we wouldn't talk about The Crossing.
I like her.
>>82665145
With JARVIS becoming Vision in the MCU, and butler Jarvis appearing in Peggy Carter, I wouldn't worry about it.
>>82673038
Maria's Lee/Kirby canon, dude. It's not something they freshly made up.
>>82666839
Define "meet".
>after 50 years Wasp's finally going to get an ongoing
>It's not Jan
>>82667831
I'm willing to believe the guy you're replying to is essentially right and inconsistency can be put down to Dragon Break Beyonder timewarp fuckery.
Not like it matters at the end of the day. Give it a few years and the "gap" in its entirety will be 8 weeks.
>>82666592
Gunbuster dude.
Alternatively Interstellar.
Time flows differently in different parts of space.
This looks like the Ultimate Wasp. The one that had her son tossed out the window after she stabbed her husband and then was promptly gangraped for hours.
>>82665181
>Nadia
Well at least its not Hope
>>82664947
>New Wasp
>steals Pym's tech to take up the mantle
Are Pym Particles like Thor's hammer, but only the felonious can wield them?
>>82665268
Neither Kamala nor Miles asked for permission, either. Same as this Wasp.
>>82680136
>Well at least its not Hope
Nadia
Means
Hope
>>82666799
I would prefer it if neither Jessica was around, personally.
>>82680203
Scott Lang and Eric O'Grady say yes
Bill Foster says no but nobody cares what his dead ass thinks
>>82669849
So what. Kang kidnaps all kinds of kids.
He's also got a copy of Vision and Wanda's kids too.
>>82666148
Russia in general was pissed off at the X-men for grabbing him before they could use his shiny metal ass on a superhero team.
>>82678057
But Moonraker was 10/10 best new character of 1994.
>>82669705
>>82669116
It's because of Marvel's "master" plan of increasing sales via making readers mad. From time to time he still shows that he is perfectly capable of writing a good comic. That's what is so bad about Slott. It's not that he's a bad writer. It's that he CHOOSES to be an awful writer and that's what Marvel wants.
>>82682612
Nah, that's more Bendis problem, wherein he's a good writer that's just become so insanely lazy that he's stopped bothering putting any effort into his comics and just shits out scripts in 5 minutes then hands them in and Marvel just kisses his ass up and down for it.
Slott's problem is that he ran out of Spider-man stories to tell years ago but WON'T FUCKING LEAVE. Slott's non-Spider-man stories are still perfectly fine. His Silver Surfer may not be the best thing around but it's competently written, if a bit too "doctor who-y."
>>82665145
Well there was a Jarvis AI once in the Rescue armor but it went crazy and was destroyed. Now it's Friday
>>82682699
I don't think he's run out of good ideas.
He made a good story/issue out of nowhere during spider-verse. He's clearly capable of still making good issues and chooses to not do so or is too lazy to bother.
I have to disagree on Silver Surfer even if alot of it is due to how Norrin clearly is a new character pretending to be the Silver Surfer.
I notice a similarity between Slott's Silver Surfer, Bendis's anything, and Arron's Strange is that they only make sense in an absolute vacuum as the more you understand any character/setting/etc involved the more you realize everyone is acting retarded.
Hank crash-lands to Earth in the preview of Uncanny Avengers #9: >>82683581
If she is a Russian and a Wasp-type, why isn't her codename Red Wasp?
>>82683711
She's not Russian, she was just raised by them. And she wants to be Hank Pym's daughter The Wasp.
Also because she's Hope.
>>82681542
William Foster, Rita DeMara think the same.
Goddamn, fucking everyone with Pym Particle powers stole them.
>>82665120
How old is Hank Pym supposed to be? I thought he was supposed to be in his ambiguous mid 30s like most adult superheroes. It seems iffy if he had a teenage daughter with his first wife assuming this isn't a robot. Not impossible but it does make me question things.
>>82685649
He's older than most of the heroes.
>>82677024
No, the FCBD made it look like she was attacking the Avengers and trying to destroy the Vision, here we get context that reveals that's not the case.
>>82678028
Hey, that was technically not Kang, that was Immortus pretending to be Kang. Although technically Immortus is also Kang.
>>82686837
Maybe it was Iron Lad?
>>82669149
The Loki in Mighty Thor isn't the same one as the one from Agent of Asgard. They're drastically different characters so I wouldn't be shocked if the Loki we're seeing there was recreated when the 616 was.
>>82686995
Agent of Asgard one is only alright anyways
Gillen's Loki is better than Ewing's
>>82667967
Is there really any point to remembering SW? Nearly everyone wasn't actually there and everything including the incursions still happened just without everything dying.
>>82685649
He should be around 10 years older than most.
Viceversa, Jan should have met Hank when she was barely legal.
>>82687091
Jan did meet Hank when she was barely legal. She was eighteen/nineteen at best and like Reed and Tony, Hank was in his late twenties/early thirties. We also don't know how old Nadia is supposed to be or how much time past since Maria Pym went missing. So if ten or so years have past and it's been heavily implied that Tony was captured in Afghanistan like in the movies due to the sliding time scale. The math sort of works.
>>82687136
If she's like ten or so then there's barely an issue. I thought she'd be like about 16 or so like Kamala and Miles, that's around the point it gets iffy unless Pym is notably older then everyone else.
>>82687136
Last hard-time age we had was Peter being 32, so around 16 years passed in-universe since the start of the F4.
Have Maria "dying" 3-to-5 years before Jan and Hank meet and she'd be 19-to-25. Which looks her age.
The only problem would be the Red Room, but just have it continuing its work even after the fall of the USSR, if in a very limited capacity(explaining why Nadia wasn't brainwashed)
>>82687182
Hank, Reed and Strange are supposed to be older than most heroes, by ten years or so.
>>82686837
>>82687182
>unless Pym is notably older then everyone else.
That is indeed the case. Always has been.
>>82687231
They established a while back that the Red Room is a Russian thing, not a USSR thing. Hell, Black Widow is doing something with it in her most recent ongoing. The only real sketchy part of Nadia's origin is that apparently Bucky was involved with her growing up. Which is odd since they froze him pretty frequently between missions. She also mentions that they shifted her training from being a spy to being a scientist when she showed that she was as smart as Hank and Maria.
>>82686995
>They're drastically different characters
He has a role to play. Yeah he could just use his powers to fix everything in Asgard, what sort of shitty god of stories would he be if he did that?
>>82687250
The answer is really fancy masturbation.
