It's over.
>>82614497
It's been over since X2
>X-Men: The Last Stand is X2: X-Men United compared to X-Men: Apocalypse.
I don't believe this reviewer
not because I believe Apocalypse will be good, but because I think it's ludicrous to think anything could make X3 look good in comparison
>>82614497
The trailers looked like pure shit, is anyone surprised by this?
>>82614530
I agree. It would take some hilariously incompetence to make a movie that bad. This just looks like another boring generic action movie which is what I gather from most of the other reviews too.
One day they will understand Xmen work best in CGI cartoon style, like big hero 6.
Actors can't deliver the raw style required to make shit like Beast not look like Dobson cosplayer
fuggggg
>>82614497
The fuck is real
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_apocalypse/
what the hell just happened?
i swear if Alice 2 gets anywhere near 60% Disney is waving checks at critics
>>82614497
So. Whens fox selling the rights back to marvel?
>>82614615
>worse than last stand
so Feige wins again
>>82614638
Apocalypse is in it, did you really expect it to be any good? Easily the worse Marvel villain.
Well fuck. It didn't look good.
Obviously, the characters being recast in a prequel didn't help an already mediocre series. Future Past worked so well because it connected to the good part of the series. Sansa just looks fucking stupid with her stupid cock sucking red ass lipstick mouth.
>>82614615
>Scott Medelson
i rather trust Faraci and Johnston
>>82614497
I wonder how much Disney pays to keep all the critics on their side
>>82614615
I don't get these kinds of comparisons. What if someone reading the review hated First Class (not me, mind you)? What are they gonna get from that? It's all subjective so why bother.
>>82614649
Is that why other Fox superhero movies scored well?
>>82614658
Only the fantastic 4
>>82614497
quick add deadpool to every x-men movie fast
>>82614658
I would haev considered this a serious possibility (they'll hire a yes man for the next one and the series will continue to decline), but Deadpool made too much money. If they can bank on Deadpool and the X-Force they'll be able to manage without Marvel.
Only one good superhero movie so far, will Doctor Strange and Suicide Squad be shit too?
>>82614649
The only worthwhile thing in the Alice trailers is Pink's White Rabbit cover.
Pink Rabbit
>>82614497
Yes!
Soon Mutantverse and F4 will be back home to Marvel, baby! No boy candy lover Singer needed.
>B-but they're wearing their costumes!
>for like a minute
>at the end of the movie
>and it looks like cheap paintball gear
>I-I believe in Singer!
>>82614726
Deadpool Cinematic Universe when
>>82614746
Not Disney Strange but Suicide Squad in addition to not being disney probably has references to BvS so that's probably going to bring back painful memories for critics and hurt the score
I wonder what'll happen if it ends up as low as BvS.
I also wonder why (assuming the conspiracy is real, and It is indeed Happening) Disney didn't pay off critics for Deadpool. Maybe they assumed it would have flopped out of the box.
>>82614578
Fuck off, the X-men films probably have the best acting among all the comic book movies that are not called ''The Dark Knight''.
Even Wolverine Origins was't that bad quality and actiong wise copared with Thor 2 and Iron Man 3.
>>82614718
no one expected Deadpool to do that well with critics and box office
after that is when they went into panic mode and smear the shit out of BvS and big up Jungle Book and Civil War
Alice will corroborate all this
>>82614497
YES
BURN
>>82614810
Why wait for Alice when you can already see the Jungle Book's score?
>>82614615
Shit. Harsh words from someone that I get the feeling was a fan of the X franchise.
>>82614497
oh this does not look for Fox.
At least Deadpool was good.
Safe to assume it's the fault of this.
Blech.
>>82614718
This could be a new thing going on.
Other studios are starting the shared universe thing so they want a monopoly on having the BEST.
They are even reports about a SINGLE person going into movie theaters and buying all the seats that haven't sold on any showings that wasn't full, so they can inflate the numbers on the box office.
People don't know that the box office money is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to studios making money out of their properties, they make 3 times more with merchandise alone
>>82614872
Well that's just rude.
>>82614789
>actual x-men costumes
>real violence
>Colossus looks and acts like Colossus
Joke you may, but I wouldnt mind the Deapool staff taking over the X-men films
>>82614810
>Disney is the illuminati guys
>>82614872
That, or Katniss hogging all the spotlight.
>>82614810
>after that is when they went into panic mode and smear the shit out of BvS
>>82614884
I mean Sansa is pretty but that fucking lipstick... I just don't know why she's so unattractive in this movie.
:(
>>82614649
I don't think that Disney pays to have critics give competitors bad reviews.
I do think that they pay to keep the reviews on their own films high, though.
>mai waifu will forever be remember as that one red shirt that died in that one awful X-Men movie
>>82614872
that's not Munn
>>82614907
>Batman vs Superman is now the go-to title comparison for bad movies
That's just glorious.
>>82614746
>one good superhero movie
Surely you meant two. Deadpool and Civil War were terrific.
>>82614497
I remember a post. Anon said Disney's movies have completely warped everyone's opinions of how Superhero films should be done. Another anon made a response; that was paranoid as fuck. But since BvS didn't do that great with the critics, we only have to see what kind of scores X-men gets before we can start wholly blaming Disney.
I think we've reached a point where we can say that the MCU has single handedly destroyed this subgenre.
>>82614930
Turns out /co/ was right after all. We WILL be talking about BvS for years to come!
>>82614935
Or maybe there were just two shitty movies?
I mean hell you people love spewing MCU LOOKS LIKE A TV SHOW memes but Apocalypse has Syfy Original tier costume design and we're supposed to suck it up?
I don't really mind, I like the X-Men movies to be bad and cheesy.
>>82614907
BWAHAHAHAAHAA, this is hilarious though
>>82614615
>that knowing smug profie picture
Let's say so far that Bryan isn't going to get his daily shipping of twinks from the Fox executives seeing that review score.
>>82614658
Never ever.jpg
>>82614615
That nigga has the most punchable face I've seen
>>82614810
>this delusion
>>82614905
Compared to Famke Janssen she's just ugly.
>>82614981
>>82614658
Oh fuck. I didn't even consider that. I reeeeally hate this thought but I hope Wolverine 3 flops as well so maybe we can get that ball rolling.
>>82614935
BvS was shit. And not because it wasn't MCU, it was a plain badly written movie. X-men 3 and Origins was schlock too, not to mention F4. It's not that hard to believe Fox fucked up again.
But no, I bet it was Disney. Actually I'm 100% sure every single one of those negative reviews were written by critics being held at gunpoint by a group of Disney executives led by RDJ.
Wonder if it will fall lower than BvS
>>82614907
but nooo no conspiracy we swear
>>82614518
this
>>82614993
>>82614709
>hated First Class
Show me that person, I'd like to laugh at him.
>>82614649
To humor your conspiracy theory with the water tightness of a fishnet first of all Tim Burton always wins, it doesn't matter the property he's built up a little cult since before Alice or Disney, secondly people don't know or care what Alice was, is or will be about anymore but everyone loves any Alice in Wonderland spinoffs, references, etc. Again building off public favor. Thirdly it's got a bunch of faces hamming it up. Again building off pre-existing public favor.
Now don't get me wrong, I detest every last thing above the above checklist but the fact is it draws gullibility and money.
Don't need to say anything about Bryan and Brett really. If you like them that's fine but we're talking public favor. The public seeing their names behind Returns and Last Stand isn't pulling much favor.
X-Men's visibility and favor in the public eye is questionable right now. 00s, 90s, 80s this would have an automatic 80 and up just for being X-Men. Today ain't those days of future past.
The Star Power can only do so much.
More importantly at the end of the day the rating on a site like RT is only so important. Whether or not it makes a return or profit, not in comparison to other things but just itself, and how critics receive the entry and direction is all that matters but if I'm honest I honestly want Bryan off and someone with a different approach to helm this thing. Doesn't have to be Marvel or Disney, just someone with something that doesn't make me feel like I've been watching the Mutant Harry Potter series.
>>82614905
Because it's a Bryan Singer film and she's not a teenage boy.
KEK
MCU XMEN/FOURTASTIC WHEN
MCU XMEN/FOURTASTIC WHEN
MCU XMEN/FOURTASTIC WHEN
>>82614969
You don't think it's a little strange that every capefilm not done by Disney is getting fucked over by review sites?
>>82614552
None of the X-Men trailer looked good yet most of the movies were great.
The majority of X-Men movies are shit though
>>82614935
Or, more studios should strive for the quality of the mcu instead of rushing out shared universes in the most pathetic game of catch up I've seen in hollywood
>>82615064
>Deadpool
>>82615064
>deadpool
>>82615034
Or maybe BvS's notoriously bad word of mouth was because audiences in general hated it. I've yet to meet a person irl who enjoyed it.
>>82614930
And hilariously stupid. We've had loads of actual god awful superhero movies, BvS isn't that.
>>82615089
You have a very close knit group of friends then.
>>82614932
You must be 18 or older to post on this site
>>82615023
Anon, BvS may have been poorly written and directed, but most critics couldn't shut up about how the movie was too dark and grim. The MCU has undoubtedly warped audiences' minds and is cashing in on the public's aversion to anything mean-spirited.
>>82615064
No because so far the movies that have been shat on by critics have been accordingly bad. If BvS truly was a kino masterpiece, you might have a point, but it was shit and deserved to get shat on.
>>82615023
I'm literally shock. I thought Deadpool was going to suck major ass and Apocalypse be great.
Instead Deadpool ended being the funniest movie of the year and Apocalypse looks like it going to end up a pile of dreck. I'm feeling sorry for Oscar Isaac, here's hoping that Poe will redeem him in Episode VIII.
>>82614497
Rotten Tomatoes can't be trusted.
>>82615064
>>82615034
I actually really liked BvS. But you're wrong.
>>82614552
The advertising for every X-Men movie looks like shit, but the Singer ones were all good.
Just put Vaughn back.
>>82615092
The public begs to differ
>>82614552
it was, like, trying its hardest to hide that it was x-men
the only x-men movies that feels x-menny at all were first class and first class 2: back to the first class
>>82615146
BvS wasn't shit though. it was at least a nice salad
>>82614789
Batman is in SS. But it should be inconsequential. A critic should judge a movie on it's own merits. It reminds me of when a critic who hated BvS said at least she had Civil War and X-Men to wash the taste out of her mouth, she had decided what movies would be good before even seeing them and now it turns out X-Men is a giant pile of shit
>>82615092
Ah, but those movies weren't trying to be the culture changer that Batman v Superman was. BvS fell and it fell from a very, very, very, very high point. Which makes it that much more laughable.
>>82614905
Part of it is lighting. That desaturated blue "look how serious we are" lighting ages people like milk in the best of times but when you do it to gingers it makes them look fully zombified.
Amy Adams suffered in the same way in Man of Steel. That lighting makes her look a decade older than she is.
>>82614930
GOD TIER GIF AND CAPTION MY NIGGA. I KEKED MY ASS OFF
So another trilogy shit the bed in its third outing.
Why is everyone surprised?
>>82615011
Always thought she looked like a wood carving.
>>82615063
Like I said last night, if they could work out a deal with Sony and Disney, FOX would be stupid not to go for it - having Marvel make all their films and get Spidey in a new FF film would be amazing for them.
>>82615138
Or maybe the movie actually was too dark and grim?
>>82615105
Nah but they can tell when a movie is shit.
>>82615079
Anon, how are they supposed to do that if they keep getting shot the fuck down in their first weeks?
>>82615105
I also know no one that liked BvS. We liked the potential of BvS, and the cast of BvS, and the underlying themes of BvS, but the execution/actual part of the movie that mattered was god awful. Fuck Zack Snyder and fuck David Goyer.
>>82615199
Eeeeh. She still looks 120% fuckable though. Must be the fact that she has infallible female ginger genes.
>>82615175
I have a hard time trusting RT as it is. I don't trust it at all when it comes to movies that were released before it existed
>>82615175
>no consensus yet
That says it all right there: The bad reviews are a kneejerk reaction.
>>82615217
By not being shit
>And yet again are we treated to the same tired, patronizing metaphors. Mutants are people of color, mutants are queer. Any potential poignance in these blunt messages is obliterated by dizzying, rote CGI sequences that while trying to impress more often than not make you want a nap.
>[...] Where the criminally and suspiciously underrated Batman v Superman respected its audience, asked of them, this movie asks only for your dollars, gives little in return.
>>82615187
What ended up biting BvS hard in the ass was how much Snyder and WB had hyped and praised it prior to release. People were expecting something game-changing, a movie that would, so to speak, BTFO of capeshit and Disney.
What we actually got was mediocre and did nothing but end up a laughing stock.
>>82614497
I can understand reviewers calling it underwhelming, but
>LITERALLY not Civil War
>ITS THE END OF THE LINE!
I'm starting to understand DC fans were saying with critics being childish
>>82615064
I don't, because I haven't seen one that's gotten an undeserved poor review yet. This movie looked cheap to begin with and BvS 's only merits are headcanon and memes.
>>82614930
The reason BvS failure was so important is that Synder fucked up a movie about BATMAN FIGHTING SUPERMAN!
That's like redrawing over the Mona Lisa with crayon.
>>82614497
>>82615064
Strange but great
>>82615242
He can't seem to get that BvS cock out of his mouth.
>>82615064
>deadpool
>>82615220
Same with me and my friends. We were all disappointed by BvS. I don't think any of them even want to see X-Men before and now with these reviews I know they wont be. In the shadow of Civil War, X-Men will be extremely luck to make 700mil
>>82615233
Okay
>>82614552
That's nothing new though. The DoFP trailers made it look like absolute dog shit, and it turned out to be the best X-men movie yet.
>>82615138
Or maybe you just read whatever you wanted to in those reviews ike you people are prone to doing rather than accepting that maybe Snyder isn't a shining god from the heavens sent to earth to deliver the truth of capekino and you're going to justify your homolust for him and your contrarian faggotry however you can.
>>82615068
End this meme.
>>82615206
That's what I say. People like only comfy, "fun" mindless fluff without stakes, conflict or drama. Anything else triggers their delicate sensibilities too much.
>>82615092
>>82615229
>>82615233
Haha, jesus. DC fans may not be the most delusional fandom ever but they're certainly up there.
>>82615064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBcehv2Xh8o
>>82614497
We get Bingo yet?
>>82615251
>BIGGER than a Civil War, X-Men Apocalypse
they actually said this
You don't get to scream Disney conspiracy when Deadpool was so well received by both critics and audience.
Stop being faggots.
>>82615263
>cowardice
Hahaha, literally what?
>>82614658
Never, and I don't want them too. Just throw J-Law's ass to the curve, start embracing the comics a bit more, and they'll be good to go. Fox has proven that they can do good X-men movies.
Now Fantastic Four on the other hand, that shit needs to get sold back since Fox clearly has no fucking idea what they're doing with the property.
>>82615189
>A critic should judge a movie on it's own merits. I
Funny how you guys all says this but as soon as the movie gets bad reviews it HAS to be a big conspiracy and literally everything else but it is to blame.
Man up, no johns. Just take the L.
>>82615297
I actually don't mean for DC. There's a lot of examples of critics giving good movies bad reviews
>>82615105
Not him, but when I went to see Civil War I heard two guys in the movie theater bathroom trash-talking BvS.
>>82615138
The very idea of Batman versus Superman has always been received as too dark and grim. Frank was relying on that reception when he injected it into TDKR.
You could have nothing but snuff and smut films put out back to back to condition your audience and people would still see it as that. We're talking Superman and Batman here. They have a range of interpretations sure, but most people are familiar with them being do-gooders. Granted the idea of BvS can be executed well with the right team behind it but the point is it is an inherently precarious premise to begin with. No one who is uncertain should be behind such a balancing act.
>>82614615
That's something not easy to do.
X-Force when?
>>82615189
Batfleck wasn't bad in BvS. People criticized bullshit main conflict, disjointed plot, too obvious setup for Justice League, and everything about Lex Luthor - but generally Wonder Woman's and Batman's performance was liked.
>>82615242
I'm willing to bet that once White sees that everyone else hates it too he'll recant and print a review that praises it's depth.
The people of co should be jumping for joy! This begins the end of fox's tyranny!!!
>>82615327
Did I say BvS wasn't a bad film?
>>82614497
What bothers me is these directors and writers just HAVE to know what's good and what's not, so WHY do they keep writing shitty movies!? By now the formula is well established! It's there for everyone to see!! WHY DO THESE SHITTY MOVIES KEEP BEING MADE!?!?
"Okay, so we want to make a blockbuster awesome movie that'll make us a lot of money! What do we do!?"
"Let's put a lot of action and violence in it! Kids love action and violence!"
"Let's put a lot of sexualization in it! Kids love sexualization!"
"Well we did all of that in our previous movies,and they got shitty sales and bad reviews!"
"What!? How did it get shitty sales!? People will go watch shitty movies so long as it looks cool, and they don't know before hand that it'll be shitty. That's why we pump millions in commercial advertisements!!"
"Yeah, but reviewers from all around watch the movie and give it low reviews. They keep talking about lame things, like how there's no plot, or that the characters are flat and boring."
"HUH!? Nobody watches action movies for the story or the characters! They want explosions, and sexy ninja chicks in latex beating up robots and stuff. This is America."
"YEAH! I mean we're talking about total idiots here! I didn't attend Cal Arts for years worth of training in educating people only to be told by others what they actually want!! They want what I TELL them they want!!! Cal Arts told me so!!!"
"Dooohh I wish we could somehow stop those reviewers from informing others on how terrible our movie is...they're infringing upon our ability to steal money from stupid teenagers and neckbeard losers!!"
"The first amendment protects those reviewers."
"OH POPPYCOCK everyone knows the first amendment exists only as a way for us to say whatever we want so Christian parents can't stop us from making shitty sexy movies!! Whoever said it also protects their rights!?!?"
"We need to hire more Jews! That'll fix things."
>>82615319
I'm guessing their unwillingness to take risks.
>>82614930
No, it's not. It's just very recent and loud disappointment in the same genre.
>>82615128
Why are you complimenting Deadpool, then?
>>82615158
Warner owns the RT site, but not the reviewers who all have their own blogs and can be seduced.
>>82615308
Kek
>>82615370
>people actually want Disney to swallow up X-Men and Fantastic Four
>>82615242
He does it again. How can one man be so right?
>>82615401
Nice pasta.
>>82615291
BvS had no stakes. The big death was undone before the body even cooled.
Apocalypse has no stakes. Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, and Wolverine will all survive.
And this is ESPECIALLY a problem because anyone that's read any X-men knows that plot armor is an A List mutant power. They wanna end the world? They wanna up the stakes? Kill J-Law. Kill Xavier. Don't just give us a bunch of new students and blow them up on a bus.
>>82615370
It won't end shit. Fox is still going to make money of this and they made a fortune on Deadpool. It's not like X-Men hasn't had bad reviews before
>>82615370
Fox is better than Disney
>>82614497
This looked like shit in the trailers desu senpai
>>82615242
>and suspiciously underrated
Jesus, if you're going to talk about subtly practice it my man.
He makes a point though, they've drained the Mutants : Minority well dry. It's not that it shouldn't exist as a background element but to constantly keep pumping that shit as the motivation for characters and plots is going to start to feel redundant or one note.
>inb4 attempt to note the irony with the rehashed themes and arcs in MCU
Hey, like I said the issue isn't having recycled material it's knowing how to garnish it up behind some other appeal.
>>82614530
X3 wasnt that bad desu at worst its mediocore but its not that bad compared to thentruly shit cape films we have
>>82615077
This right here.
1: good
2: good
3: sucks
First class: bad
Days of future: meh it was okay
Apocalypse: bad
>>82615370
>This begins the end of fox's tyranny!!!
You'd have a point if Deadpool was bad, but it was a huge hit both critically and commercially.
Man, if Deadpool flopped, Fox would be in deep shit right now between that, Fan4stic, and now Apocalypse.
RT may be biased, and critic reviews may be paid off- I won't debate that.
But user reviews are something else entirely- and while they weren't as harsh with BvS and MoS as we are and critics are, they still didn't like those two movies as much as CW and Deadpool.
I'm intrigued to see what people think of Apocalypse, but I usually agree with RT scores, and this isn't looking good.
>>82615217
He's said "rushing out shared universes".
So, presumably...
>>82615401
Civil War had hardly any quips in it. Hell the last moments had literally no jokes expect one at the end.
>>82615424
>>82615416
You forgot Civil War
FC and DoFP were seriously a lot better than what came before, it's disappointing (but I think inevitable, in the wake of Singer assuming more and more control and the studio getting nervous about Fantastic Four) they've reverted in quality.
I don't think Disney is paying anybody off, I don't think there is a conspiracy. But I do believe that because of the MCU's success that critics believe that a Superhero movie should be an action comedy and if it isn't comedic it's failed
>>82615439
X3 was the worst cape film of all time.
https://www.thewrap.com/x-men-apocalypse-review/
>Where “Apocalypse” falls apart is with its titular villain: He’s generically evil, setting out essentially to destroy everyone and everything on the planet, a plan that’s not only difficult to take seriously but also gives screenwriter Simon Kinberg (“Fantastic Four”) no metaphorical meat. Previous “X-Men” installments used the mutants and their struggles to comment on everything from the civil rights movement to coming-out in the LGBT community, but all we can take from this film is standard-issue superhero battles.
>Those skirmishes are perfectly fine, granted, but they don’t amount to much since the bad guy is such a blank and since we never feel that Apocalypse is going to succeed; you’ll find more genuine stakes in “The Angry Birds Movie.” Even the film’s action centerpiece — Quicksilver rescuing everyone from an exploding building in cheeky slo-mo — feels like an exact copy of a better sequence from “Days of Future Past.”
Didn't we all say that Apocalypse was a lame excuse for a world-destroying villain who always jobs? I feel like people who knew about the character have been saying that for years.
>>82614518
days of future past was better than X2
>>82615375
>What bothers me is these directors and writers just HAVE to know what's good and what's not,
Why do they have to know that?
And even assuming they do, movies don't work that way, bro. Producers have their list of demands, actors and agents have their demands, and little by little all those demands fuck with any script and then you're left with shit more often than not.
>>82615175
>>82615233
>>82615278
Oh man. Were you holding that back for the specific case where an anon would give that reaction?
That's good.
>>82614658
they will probably sell them to universal or warner, Fox hates disney
>>82615257
You're acting like a batman/Superman fight is something interesting but it never was.
>>82615319
>>82615263
>>82615377
Yeah, and I'd agree with him. Lately, I haven't been coming away from MCU movies wanting to talk more about them. They're just something to get hyped about and wait for the next. I'm really hoping Doctor Strange can break the mold.
>>82615409
Implying it's not the best thing to do.
>>82615370
With Deadpool as their Winter Soldier they're just going to pull a Marvel and redirect future concepts around a similar approach.
I'm not sure if they'll hamfistedly make Deadpool the center of things but expect X-Force, Wolverine and the like to follow similar beats to DP with or without his presence.
>>82615424
Notafter Tranktastic 4 they're not.
Anyone who thinks Disney is paying anyone off is a moron, seriously. I hate how people always jump to conspiratorial bullshit when they don't like an outcome.
>>82615284
Or maybe BvS isn't as bad as people makes it out to be.
>>82615424
> last stand
> origins
> all 3 fantastic 4 movies
> better than disney
stop using THC, it's bad for you bruh
How far into development was DOFP before Matthew Vaughn dropped out and Bryan "Two Fingers" Singer was brought on to direct?
looks like Jlaw has shit up the place
Her celebrity has really hurt these movies
>>82615377
>risks
>Add Batman, our only successful character!
>risks
>Don't kill McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawerence, or Jackman. Do kill off a bunch of C and D list mutants nobody recognizes in the same movie they're introduced in.
Please. Dark tone isn't a risk. Collateral damage isn't a risk .You know what was a risk? Deadpool. That's why thy didn't shove a ton of money at the project and let the cast and crew do their own thing. It's why that movie had a shoestring budget; because when a project is ACTUALLY risky Hollywood isn't going to spend a ton of money on it!
>>82615375
>By now the formula is well established!
You just answered your own question; people don't like sticking to formula because it gets dull. You might have a good hamburger recipe, but you eat it every day for a month you'll get bored.
Of course, a lot of experiments fail. BvS tried to experiment with the superhero movie formula but it also had the studio trying to keep it within formula and Zack Snyder having a lot of genuinely bad ideas, so it ended up falling down.
Deadpool went against formula and was actually a pretty good film, all things considered.
This is an odd case, in that it's very much formula but after two X-Men films that weren't as much, it comes off quite disappointing as a capstone to this trilogy.
>>82615489
Well it was their first live-action debut together onscreen for the first time, and they fucked it up.
>>82615409
What Fox has done with and to the FF is a human rights violation. There is very little anyone else could do worse outside a porn parody,which would still probably have its moments in comparison.
>>82615409
Maybe Fam4 but X-men would feel to cluttered
>where are the Avengers?
>why don't the X-men just stay with Stank?
>my head hurts
>>82615077
>X-men 1
Good
>X-men 2
Good
>X-men 3
Bad
>Wolverine Origins
Bad
>First Class
Good
>The Wolverine
Completely average/neither good nor bad
>DoFP
Good
>Deadpool
Good
So of the 8 X-men movies, only 2 of them are bad. 3 if you count The Wolverine. Even if you don't count Deadpool and count Wolverine, that's still 3/7 bad, so no, the majority of X-men movies are certainly not shit.
>>82615315
I liked Deadpool as much as the next guy but whoever said it was a gamechanger should be slapped silly.
>>82614497
No way! Not only did this movie get virtually no hype and received little advertising, it's also going to get panned by critics? I'm starting to think Fox knew that this movie was going to be bad
>>82615538
Deadpool isn't a risk. He's been super popular with casuals for years.
>/co/ seems to be hating on X-Men Apocalypse since day one because of shitty costumes and Jennifer Lawrence
>reviews come out saying the team is shit
>REVIEWER HAS TO BE A SHILL
>>82614497
>last year I thought this year would be the best
>Deadpool was okay
>BvS was offensively bad
>CW is okay but nothing near TWS
>Apocalypse looking bad
>the only thing left is a movie comprised entirely of villains
This is 100% Darkseid's doing and an extranarrative game summoned by Morrison
>>82615539
>You just answered your own question; people don't like sticking to formula because it gets dull. You might have a good hamburger recipe, but you eat it every day for a month you'll get bored.
I'm pretty sure when he says formula, he's talking about the formula for what makes a movie shitty.
>>82615463
Nobody ever claims that has "stakes".. Just that it's entertaining.
>>82615105
Not that anon, but the general audiences' distaste for the movie was clear in my theater.
At first people were excited, some even cheered at the title screen. As it went on, everyone fell deadly silent, no americlaps, no laughing at the jokes, no excitement over seeing these iconic characters together on screen at last. People were yawning, texting on their phones, began laughing at things that were supposed to be cool and/or serious (Wonder Woman guitar riff, MARTHA, LOIS IS THE KEY!!) sending each other 'what the fuck was that?' looks constantly over the bizarre choice that was Eisenberg-Lex.
You could see the disappointment in their faces when leaving the theater. One guy in front of me turned to his friend and said 'well I like Batman too much to hate it....so uh.. yeah..' None of the 4 people I saw it with (2 of them casuals) enjoyed it.
And for the record, this was on premiere night, before the bad reviews started coming in.
>>82615539
I'm bored of the X-Men. The absolute worst Idea was to have them all in one continuity. First Class should have been a clean reboot
>>82615565
Deadpool and CW were great
>>82615446
I worry about Deadpool now. If it ends up being the only thing Fox can reliably sell they might get very hands-on with the sequel and ruin it.
>>82614497
Gotta say getting sick of critics tear apart non Marvel capeshit for stuff that Marvel is guilty of
>>82615446
Hopefully the take away from Deadpool is that putting love and craft into their films while not being scared of embracing the comics while letting the creators have more control rather than having a bunch of forced executive meddling will result in great, well-received, and commercially succesful movies.
However, I fear their big take away will just be "make it R-rated and stuff it with dick jokes. Kids love that shit."
>>82615242
uniquely armond is now on the majority with his pition
>>82615564
>Marvelcucks shitpost about every non Marvel movie
>hurr durr /co/ always hated it!
back to /tv/
>>82615416
>BvS had no stakes
Are you some kinda retard anon?
>>82614497
>Fox doesn't pay reviewers
>WB doesn't pay reviewers
Fools.
>>82615599
>tearing apart non-Marvel capeshit
>Deadpool is universally loved
>The X-Men movie right before this one is universally loved
WOW
O
W
>>82615565
There's also strange
>>82614746
Doc Strange is shaping up to be a pretty big clusterfuck.
>>82615581
It was technically, it's a part of a new timeline
The worst part about this is that it means instead of X-men movies and a healthy side of Deadpool, the suits will start only shoving Deadpool down our throats from now on.
>>82614935
Dark Knight is STILL the most acclaimed superhero movie in history, and people DO remember that - in fact, BvS had a lot of comparisons to The Dark Knight.
Also, Deadpool was highly acclaimed too. Just suck up the fact that superhero movies are big business now, so many decisions will be made by money people, and money people have no goddamn idea how to make art but like to pretend they're relevant.
I think that might be the thing, MCU is exactly as concerned with making good movies
I mean, many critics were disappointed in Age of Ultron, and it has gotten only 75% RT but somehow everyone forgets that (for the record, The Dark Knight Rises got 87% RT).
Similarly, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 were accepted as "decent" rather some mindblowing revelations.
Like, everything about Dr Strange sounds like it's gonna be terrible - Tilda Swinton and Benedict Cumberbatch might be the most miscast choices ever made - I doubt it will flop, but I doubt it will do exceptionally well either. I think decision to cast Cumberbatch came mostly from attempt to bank on his viral fame, and noone was bright enough to realize that viral fame doesn't last long (all fangirls that drooled over Bingdick Cumslut now drool over Chris Evans).
>>82615477
No...?
>>82615486
Yes, please. We need a JLX movie.
>mfw this thread
>>82615477
Worse then elektra ghost rider green lantern batman and robin daredevil spiderman 3 johna hex bvs superman returns hulk any of the 3 fantastic fours and wolverine orgins?
>>82615475
Does that really apply here? A lot of reviewers seem to go to the Fox-Men movies for the socio-political commentary which is smarter than the MCU or DC. This one apparently lacks that, or is poorly executed, and just has low-stakes, big disaster movie destruction scenes.
Remember that time the First Class and Days of Future Past were critically panned because they weren't reminiscent of MCU films?
Oh wait no? They weren't hated?
>>82615637
How so?
Man, how come WB and Fox are the only retarded companies who can't pay critics?
I mean, only Disney does it? Something doesn't add up.
>>82615591
Deadpool was okay, it didn't blow my mind but it was really funny. CW is insanely overrated. Not even close to the focused character piece that TWS managed to be. The only time I felt involved in CW was when Spider-Man showed up and in the final battle (where it managed to make me root for Iron Man somehow).
>>82615634
>Strange
I keep forgetting this one exists
>>82615479
>we never feel that Apocalypse is going to succeed
It doesn't help that the end of DoFP is a flashforward to the 2020s with everyone doing great.
>>82615631
>First Class before the MCU plagued the genre
>DoFP came out in an opportune time where critics didn't get to unfairly attack it like ASM2 and had time to reflect on the experience without it being muddled with bias
>Deadpool was an MCU movie outside of the MCU moreorless
>>82614497
I blame JLaw entirely for forcing them to give her a bigger role in these films even though Mystique is just a supporting character.
>>82615479
>Didn't we all say that Apocalypse was a lame excuse for a world-destroying villain who always jobs? I feel like people who knew about the character have been saying that for years.
We did. Hell, before BvS came out, everyone was saying Age of Apocalypse looked like cheap generic phoned in trash albeit with a QT Jubilee. At no point was there high hopes or hype for this movie. It was going to be a 6/10 at best and we were all making fun of Ivan Ooze Apocalypse, Cosplayer Olivia Munn, and J-Law's Diva refusal to wear the makeup and do her goddamn job.
Now though? Now because some douchebag in marketing did the whole "IT'S EPIC AND EDGY" a bunch of faggots from /tv/ can use Apocalypse as an unsung heroic underdog to prop up their Disney Illuminati conspiracy shitposts.
This movie looks to be performing EXACTLY how everyone expected it to and now there's just a fag or two that wants to play contrarian like always and act like that wasn't a case to further console war bullshit and hate on what's successful.
>>82615257
Dude, not a single goddamned person on the earth EARTH ever thought that batman vs superman was going to be an interesting fight.
The only people who actually think that are full on degenerate batman fans. And even they think batman winning in a straight up brawl is fucking retarded
BvS was only thought to be a 100% slam dunk by absolute fucking retards.
I agree that it's stupid the suggest that Disney are buying critics to hate on non-MCU movies and I also agree that Civil War is much better than BvS But I'm gonna play devil’s advocate and say I can't help but think that some MCU movies are massively overrated on RT.
Iron Man, TWS, GotG, Antman and Civil War were legit good but I can't for the life of me understand why movies like subsequent Iron Man movies, the Thor movies or Age of Ultron have such high ratings. They're not terrible, but they ain't that great either.
Didn't Deadpool have less Fox involvement, if so then we should keep it that way which I think they said they would do
>>82615554
Cause the "R-rated capeshit movies would never be successful" meme was put to rest
>>82615707
>unfairly attack it like ASM2
>unfairly attack it like ASM2
>unfairly attack it like ASM2
>unfairly attack it like ASM2
>>82615409
they will just take F4 back for the villains and they are easy to put in.
Xmen is different: not having mutants mean they would need some weird explanation for it, maybe using House of M and scarlett witch as the center
>>82614497
If this movie had a 100% on RT, how many Anti-Fox drones would be on suicide watch? Would it be another Days of Future's Past?
>>82615703
This. I'm almost sure this is why I don't care. We all know the heroes will be fine but don't show us for fucks sake. I still think the second trailer for BvS cost that movie a lot of money
Ha.
Suck it, Olivia Munn.
>>82615741
ASM2 was good though
>>82615721
What? The idea of Batman fighting Superman is great and filled with loads of potential. It's just in the movie instead of making it an ideological clash they forced Superman into it (and then gave us a 2 minute long fight with a 6 minute long epilogue) and ended it in the most retarded way possible.
>>82615242
>the criminally and suspiciously underrated Batman v Superman respected its audience
This guy is the Christopher Priest of film reviews. Thank you /co/,
>>82615757
Why do you hate her?
>>82615757
Shut the fuck up, Boco.
>>82614497
I don't give a shit, still seeing it.
>>82615741
ASM2 was just a typical MCU film. Full of padding for future films, incredibly simplistic and treats the audience like children
Somehow, ASM2 is bad and Ant-Man which is guilty of all of the same crap is underrated. I wonder why THAT is?
>>82615482
Why do they have to know!?!? IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB!!!!!
I'm aware outside forces screw up the script-writing process for many movies, but I refuse to believe there exists people who work in movies who DON'T know what makes a good movie, regardless of what changes they want. Look at all the lessons being taught!!! Look at all the money and credibility being lost!!!
Do you know why Disney keeps making so much money on their action movies!?!? It's because Disney knows damn well that they need to STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE MOVIE MAKING PROCESS and let those they hire who KNOW their audience and have the PASSION to write great adaptions will make them WAY MORE money if they just STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!!
Butting their nose in the creative process costs them WAY MORE money than if they just LISTEN to their audience! Everyone knows this....they are just at the point where they want to pump out shit intentionally and hope they make a profit because it's EASIER and requires having a SOUL!
I'm glad the trend is killing them. In enough time they'll eventually be consumed by their own obscurity and lackluster void of competence.
>give Jlaw more screen-time
>movie ends up getting lambasted
Is there a connection here, I wonder?
>>82615773
She's an unprofessional bitch.
>>82615775
Yes sir...
>Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique leading the team
>Olivia Munn
>Sansa's horrendous American accent
>Those team costumes
>Scott getting the shaft in all marketing
>The CGI in the trailers
Literally who thought this was going to be a good movie?
>>82615333
You're not wrong, but it's almost always because those critics are being intentionally contrarian so their blogs get more hits. See: Armond White or the guy that gave the first rotten Civil War review then pretty much explicitly admitted that he only shat on it for attention.
No one pays attention to the hundredth positive review of a well-received movie, but people definitely pay attention to the 5 bad reviews of a well-received movie, and vice-versa. A universally shat on movie will have the positive reviews get more attention because they stand out. Even Norm of the North got some positive reviews.
>>82615521
It was, if you cut out all the blatant sequel hook fanservice, still only a 6/10 at absolute best.
>>82615242
What does he think of Black Panther? I need to know.
>>82615251
>X sucks because it's not Y
Jesus, where do people learn to analyze movies nowadays?
Psylocke Bad barely had lines
Jubilee barely in it
Mystique lol Jlaw don't care
So much promise left on the floor
>>82615656
I see this, and raise you - the first time a black comic superhero was adapted on screen, and everyone forgot it - for a good reason.
... I just realized that both of these movies are Superfamily characters.
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>>82615763
>ASM2 was good though
>>82615798
Fox shills.
>>82615784
And now The Xmen will suffer for their hubris. Disney will punish them with Alice.
>>82615491
I agree they got stale but I'd say this movie already broke the mold
>>82615719
>albeit with a QT Jubilee
>We'll never see more of her because of this mishandled mess
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
>DOFP trailers and prerelease all look terrible
>film comes out and it's great
>Apocalypse trailers and prerelease all look meh
>film comes out and it's trash
There's an inverse correlation between how good an X-Men film looks before release and how good of a movie it is
>>82615563
Dude, they fucking cast Reynolds as Deadpool.
Let's make something clear. Reynolds is not a box office draw. He's a nice addition as a jokey guy if it's the right movie but not a draw.
AND his name was mud in comic land after the GL debacle.
HOWEVER his personality and acting style perfectly meshed with the brilliant Kelly Deadpool. It's basically one of the only things in the Wolverine movie that everyone agreed was a 100% highlight.
This was a MAJOR risk.
And you know what.
They knocked that shit out of the park.
They really really did.
>>82615784
>ASM2 is just as bad as Ant-Man
>>82615792
Call me a fag, but please olaberate
I think we all (Well the majority) knew what films looked good and what looked bad when the year started
>Good
Deadpool
Civil War
Suicide Squad
Strange
>Bad
BvS
Apocalypse
>>82614789
>Suicide Squad in addition to not being disney probably has references to BvS
They reference Supermans risk in the trailer and Batman is in it.
I don't think SS will trigger BvS PTSD in critics though.
>>82615703
Oh shit, yeah that's hilarious. I don't think I thought of that since the movie was announced and revealed to be set in the 80's.
>Future Beast: Professor, remember that time the world almost ended, but we completely prevented it, making the things turn out great now?
>Future Charles:I do indeed Hank! Good times, good times.
>>82615763
>>82615784
>people think ASM2 was at all good.
>>82615757
For once you are right
Worst casting in the film
Have we just decided to let olivia munn happen now
>>82615538
Deadpool is Fox not MCU.
