What should I recommend for someone who says Supes is a boring character?
>>82581457
Recommend they read something besides manga.
>>82581457
Nothing you show them will change their minds. People only hate him because he's a boy scout. It's the same issue for Captain America.
>>82581457
A kick in the bum and All-Star, in that order.
Recommend manga. It's superior.
Unless they came to you looking for a recommendation don't even bother. If that's the way they feel and have no intention of considering otherwise then anything you push on them will just fall on deaf ears.
>>82581457
Kingdom Come. So that they can confirm their beliefs.
>>82581497
But Captain America is still likeable since he is not literal Jesus. DC characters suck so badly.
>>82581502
Somebody got lost. Steven Universe thread is that way>>>
>>82581457
The door
Superman the Animated Series.
Superman: The Animated Series
Recommend him something else.
>>82581470
Manga characters are even more boring most of the time though. They'd probably see Supes as interesting.
>>82581457
Injustice
>>82581553
I'm sorry, SU is for people who have shit taste. Maybe I should recommend the thread for you.
>>82581584
Not every manga is shounen.
>>82581584
>>82581553
>>82581470
Really defensive/10
>>82581457
INJUSTICE: NYARRRGGHHS AMONG US
>>82581534
>+1 hipster points
>>82581540
>Jesus
He's not even really Christ-like. It depends on the context of the story and how the author portrays him.
I'm sure when Shuster and Siegal created him they had little bit of Moses in mind though.
>>82581612
>I'm sorry, SU is for people who have shit taste.
Oh good. You got my joke.
>>82581457
A high five
>>82581457
A really boring story of their favorite character
>>82581584
>They'd probably see Supes as interesting
I guess if they like sentient planks of wood.
>>82581679
I know and you should go there.
>>82581715
Why the fuck would I go there? They make that cartoon for faggy people. Like manga fans.
>>82581457
Superman: The Animated series.
Provide beer and chips if they hang out and watch it with you.
Rainier beer if you're cheap. Nobody really hates that stuff.
>>82581715
>>82581746
Anons please. You're both fags and should therefor fuck off to >>>/lgbt/
>>82581746
>They make that cartoon for faggy people. Like Supe fans
ftfy
>>82581457
These: >>82581515 plus the following:
Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes
Escape From Bizarro World
For The Man Who Has Everything
>>82581772
Stop
>>82581499
>people STILL suggesting All-Star as a way to make people like Superman
This is why nobody takes Superfags seriously. You're absolutely delusional. It's a great book, but only if you already love the character.
>>82581457
Don't recommend anything. Most people will never change their preconceptions about characters. Humans are stubborn and don't want to admit that they're wrong. Especially about something as trivial as liking a superhero.
>>82581470
>that passive aggression
>>82581457
Superman - Emperor Joker (2016) (digital TPB) (Glorith-Novus-HD).cbz.zip.001
http://www18.zippyshare.com/v/kF55TDqd/file.html
Superman - Emperor Joker (2016) (digital TPB) (Glorith-Novus-HD).cbz.zip.002
http://www18.zippyshare.com/v/fJl4GPOb/file.html
>>82581612
SU is actually for patricians with discerning taste.
>>82581457
If he's a manga fag: One Punch Man
If he likes movies but not thsoe by the big 2: Unbreakable.
If he likes vidya: Freedom Force
And then, and if you really want him to like Superman: All-Star Superman
>>82582690
First you recommend Superman stories that don't involve Superman. Then you have the nerve to recommend the one story that embodies what detractors say is wrong with Superman.
Fuck you.
OP, Superman: Secret Identity or Superman New 52 volume 1. Superman Earth One is also a nice option.
>>82582776
Well, I assumed OP wanted to break his friend slowly into capes without using the Big 2.
And besides, have you actually read All Star Superman? It's pretty comfy.Arguably the best Supe comic ever.
>>82581457
Superman is a boring character. It's his cast that makes superman stories.
>>82582920
I read it. It's a love letter to the Silver Age. It's light, campy and over-the-top. All good things for its purposes. It's an enjoyable read.
Stop using "comfy" to describe shit. It's lazy and says absolutely nothing.
>>82581457
You let him live in peace, you fucking zealots.
Worse than religious fags trying to convert everyone, do you go around houses asking if they accepted Superman in their lives yet?
>b-but he is wrong and I have to correct him because this is my mission in life
Kill yourself
>>82581457
Vs the Elite movie
>>82583030
lol this guy
>>82583065
Ah yes, the movie where superman defends his boring ideals by being the strongest and winning without trying. I'm sure that detractors will see how great Superman is and not thing that Manchester Black was cool and should have won.
This
>>82583030
Comfy is a nice term. Its a way of saying something is an enjoyable read. Its short for "comfortable"
Like, I wouldn't call Watchmen, while great, comfy. But I would call Marvel 1602 comfy.
>>82581457
Why do superman threads always end up being filled with trolls? As for the question, for starters I'd advice last son, Brainiac, or War of the supermen. Or Morrison's JLA.
>>82583061
>Reccomending stuff to people is being a zealot.
Don't be so defensive.
>>82581540
>I don't read comics.
>>82583318
One of the best Supes stories. I would recommend it for anyone who doesn't understand the character.
Is it wrong to say that AS S isnt a good introductory story into Superman?
In my opinion it has a good Superman but it has so much baggage from the Silver Age and Morrison stuff i dont reccomend it because you really dont fully enjoy it unless you know the lore.
and if you can fully enjoy it on a first read then why reccomend it.
>>82581771
What episodes?
>>82584147
OP here, I'm with you.
I've found that the most recommended Superman stories are usually the exact ones that make people hate him.
IMO, Superman fans don't understand that -- to an outsider -- he's basically treated like Felicity on Arrow. For example, when people call Superman a Mary Sue/Gary Stu, the fans focus on the fact that he's invulnerable or a writer/audience stand-in -- they never acknowledge the fact that he's WAY too overpraised/overmythologized, or the fact that every recommended Superman story makes him out to be the most important character to have ever lived, or, the fact that every big Superman story is essentially about Superman and nothing else.
In comparison, Batman stories usually have Gotham or crime or something else as their centerpiece -- they're not about the superhero as much as they are the city. Even with Batman frequently being more capable than Superman, he's rarely a Gary Stu because his stories are rarely *just* about him.
Superman: Lois and Clark is kind of breath of fresh air in that regard, and it's no surprise that people like it. It's less about Superman himself (pre-Flashpoint Superman, in this case), than it is about his family and their relationship with the New52 multiverse. Besides Lois, there's no one who even can overpraise this particular Superman -- otherwise, he'd be revealing too much of himself.
Going back in time, the original Superman run by Siegel and Shuster (forgiving the pacing and feel of Golden Age comics) is also a good showcasing of the character. Their Superman existed when there weren't superheroes and when, weirdly enough, NPCs didn't give a rat's ass about superheroes, either.
A Smack in the mouth.
>>82584147
I agree. Plus someone who thinks that superman is boring isn't going to like a relatively slow paced story with lots of feels. I'd advice something less dense and more action packed. Only a person who is willing to give the character a chance can like ASS.
>>82581515
Friendly reminder: Pre-Crisis Superman > Post-Crisis Superman
>>82584260
Well then there's Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, infinite crisis,, legion of superheroes, JLA and others that focus more on his supporting cast/ othr superheroes while still portraying superman in a positive light.
ITT: Bored non-Supes fans troll easily b8ed (and probably autistic) Supes fans.
You would think you guys would've stopped countering their autism with your own by this point, come on guys.
>>82584260
>In comparison, Batman stories usually have Gotham or crime or something else as their centerpiece -- they're not about the superhero as much as they are the city. Even with Batman frequently being more capable than Superman, he's rarely a Gary Stu because his stories are rarely *just* about him.
This is completely untrue, fuck off you gigantic casual, the most recommended and read Batman story is The Dark Knight returns which is about how Bruce is da best, the city went to shit without him, he can beat up Superman, he turns all of the gang members in the city into Batfags
Just fuck off with your bullshit
What's So Funny About Truth Justice and The American Way
>>82582776
>Ever recommending Earth 1
Die
>>82584585
Didn't read the "usually" in the original post, did you?
>>82584707
Never read that. What's wrong with it?
Tell them to watch STAS
He's just a cool dude really
>>82581457
You won't be able to. The things that fans love about him and the exact same things that other people hate about him
>>82581457
OP, what you gotta do is ask yourself, what would Superman do?
And then, you gotta realize that Supes wouldn't give two shits that people don't like his favorite character, and would instead say "Well, to each his own." with a half-assed smile, then drop the subject.
>>82584585
If that's all you got out of TDKR you should read it again. Bruce is show constantly to be old and past his prime. Plus the Superman fight has everything stacked in favor of batman and Supes still tanks everything that is thrown at him and lets Bruce fake his death because he never wanted the fight in the first place.
>>82584260
>In comparison, Batman stories usually have Gotham or crime or something else as their centerpiece -- they're not about the superhero as much as they are the city. Even with Batman frequently being more capable than Superman, he's rarely a Gary Stu because his stories are rarely *just* about him.
Go away Scott Snyder
>>82584987
Superman in Returns was kind of a sweetheart, I dunno why people saw him as a villain at all.
>>82584987
Way to dodge the argument. So basically, what you're saying is that TDKR is, in fact, just about Batman
>>82585107
There's also a lot about Superman, Gotham and his rouges. Batman is the protagonist so of course he's present for much of the book but that doesn't mean that there isn't also a lot of focus on Gotham, Superman and the villains.
I was mostly responding to your implication that TDKR is some kind of nonstop batwank which is far from the truth. TDKR bats is old, fucks up multiple times and his final "victory" is faking his death and running away.
>>82584987
I was being hyperbolic to make my point, but glad that you agree the book is indeed all about Batman.
>>82584768
But that's not true either, Legends of the Dark Knight has a storytelling style like that but Batman proper comics, the most popular ones: O'Neil, Morrison, Miller; they all focus on Bruce's character and his inner struggle.
>>82581470
literally this
>>82581470
Oh shit! You just know anyone who says this is probably an avid Manga reader, too. Fuuuuck.
I got into Superman with Brainiac by Geoff Johns like 2 weeks after BvS. I hated the movie but I thought I'd give the character an actual shot.
I then went into All Star, Birthright, Whatever Happened, For the Man Who Has Everything, For All Seasons, Up, Up and Away, What's So Funny, Red Son, and Secret Identity.
I'm not that experienced, but personally if I had to start again, I'd go with Brithright as a starting point, Up, Up and Away, For All Seasons, Brainiac and Secret Identity.
I'd personally recommend reading All-Star last. While I did enjoy All Star, I don't think I fully appreciated it.
My two cents as a new comer to Supes. Feel free to call me a faggot.
>>82581470
It's sad how true this is.
>>82581640
kek
American Alien
>>82581515
Man, Kryptonite is such an underrated book. Though that could just be me being biased towards Cooke and Sale. It's kinda disappointing that the New 52 Superman doesn't really have much going for him, other than Morrison's run and maybe Unchained, which was pretty fun even if it gave us the dopiest Superman suit ever.
>What should I recommend for someone who says Supes is a boring character?
recommend them this dick…
no seriously
after that good sex hand them Elliot S. Maggin's Superman run followed by Cary Bates
for that old school camp fun give them some Otto Binder issues and Kirby's work in Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen
Hereafter
Superman IS a boring, bland character so nothing really.
>>82581457
Is there a superman series where superman dies and stays dead?
>>82591208
No, because continuity is lie and unnatainable is this medium.
>>82587451
I like you,faggot
>>82591208
it wouldn't be a series if superman ended, would it?
>>82591442
It would make me happy because Superman is too op
>>82588069
Post the page where batman gets btfo
>>82581457
Suicide
>>82591208
>Permanently killing off an iconic character sure is profitable right guys? amirite guys?
>>82581515
American Alien needs to be added to this.
That one story where he hangs out at a coffee shop with some cop
American Alien. It'll be the most effective story at grabbing new superman fans
>>82591886
>Ruining the very concept of death in comic books won't hurt the industry greatly for decades to come, right? Right?
>>82591208
technically new52's earth 2 but they just replaced him later on.
>>82591956
I'm surprised I didn't think of this before. That would be a good idea.
>>82581540
>DC characters suck so badly.
Confirmed to only read/watch Marvel comics/movies.
>>82581515
Brainiac and Kingdom Come, while good stories, don't show Supes himself as being particularly interesting.
t. Someone who thinks Superman is generally boring but is open to being proved wrong.
>>82585080
So you're saying Snyder is right about Superman? What that anon described is EXACTLY why casuals think Superman is boring and a bad character. Sounds to me like you can't remember what it was like to be one of them.
>girlfriend and I are randomly chatting about superhero shit one day ont he way to work
>she says Superman is a dumb jock
>prod a little to find out where she got this notion, turns out her only exposure to him is the first Superman movie and the time she fell asleep watching Man of Steel on TV
Monitoring this thread for ideas. She's not opposed to comics (I got her totally hooked Ms. Marvel. Can't seem to make anything DC stick, and I thought Batgirl would be right up her ally..)
>>82581470
What does that have to do with Superman specifically? Besides manga being more easy to get into and accessible than comics now
>>82593228
It's because on a month to month basis superman is pretty boring. it takes an elseworld or a crazy mini to really make the character shine.
Only superman I've picked up that has come out recently was the H'el on Earth crossover, wasn't bad.
>>82587451
Agreed on All Star. Reading it before the rest is like watching Bizzaro before the rest of Sealab.
>>82591583
>major media companies should write stories specifically to make ME happy
Good lord
>>82585517
But Lex Luthor has more focus than any of Batman's rogues and more character exploration
I'd say it's clear that you haven't really read any Superman comics from before 1990, because then you'd see that there's a lot of focus on Jimmy Olsen as well, but you'd see the focus on Lois Lane since the marriage in post 90's comics. Basically you're a fucking casual who doesn't read Superman comics, and then classically arbitrarily claims that Batman is better.
>>82595486
I'm a different anon from the one who made the claim about superman comics and their focus, I just disagree that TDKR is batwank that doesn't focus on characters or places not batman.. Hell one of the most mentioned comics in this thread (ASS) is more a showcase of silver age characters and concepts than Superman himself
>>82581569
>>82581571
this . Superman the Animated series shows a really good Superman that is close to the comics.
All of Loeb's Superman/Batman, especially the second TPB, Supergirl.
>>82582690
>Freedom Force
You are, and always will be, my nigga
>>82583296
>Manchester Black was cool and should have won
Talk about bad taste.
>>82583318
Thread should have ended right there.
The continuation is pretty great too.
>>82581457
Up, Up and Away by Busiek and Johns.
>>82581457
I don't understand. You've posted a pic of best Supes already.
>friend says Superman is boring because he's invincible
>almost every episode of TAS and Justice League is him shouting then falling down
>>82598524
So he's boring and weak. Not exactly a better combination.
>>82581540
As a DC fag, i think the exact opposite. But fuck you and your console wars.
Why doesn't Birthright get any recs?
I'm reading it now and loving that shit.
>>82598630
Eh, it's okay. There are other Superman stories I like better, but I enjoy how Waid writes Supes and Lex's relationship.
>>82598524
And according to Superman fans TAS and JL are shit because Superman jobbed always
Do you even read the thread on /co/?
>>82587451
So Waid into Johns into Morrison?
>>82581515
I'd recommend the first trade of New 52 Action Comics for 'early years'. The rest of that arc is good, too, but it gets too heavily MORRISON FIFTH-DIMENSIONAL for a comics noobie
>>82591208
Infinite Crisis golden age superman.
>>82587451
It's funny, I basically did that in reverse. /co/ had like two weeks of Superman storytimes leading up to MoS (before the hype trail derailed).
>Morrison Action Comics
>All-Star
>Up Up and Away
>Secret Identity
>Red Son
>Birthright
>>82598664
I'm loving his Clark Kent. The scene where the staff at the Daily Planet lie about getting work drinks to avoid Clark because he's kind of weird and he is sitting across the road at an empty dinner table and listening in with his super hearing with a sad look on his face broke me.
>>82581515
>>82581457
I've used allstar and birthright before and both have worked
Except in one weird case where Byrne's man of steel worked where the others didnt
>>82598829
I did an Action Comics story time around then. I was so damn excited. I'd stood in line at my local Walmart to get the advanced showing tickets and everything.
I don't know why I'm acting like I was devastated or anything, I actually kinda enjoyed Man of Steel, and a lot of stuff like the Krypton scenes, and the battle with Zod actually had me on the edge of my seat. I think most of the responsibility there lies with the score though, because hot damn it was stirring.
>>82581457
The Iron Giant
