What was he doing during most of the airport fight? they charge at eachother and then he's... gone.
did he just hover around until Giant-Man showed up?
>>82577014
Yeah, that and Zemo not being Zemo were the only problems I had with it. And Vision is clearly OP'd.
>>82577126
>not having a problem with how forced the romantic aspect is
He's still a fucking robot for the most part, yet very aware of his feelings for Wanda.
>>82577014
>did he just hover around until Giant-Man showed up?
He was just watching his waifu, and could you blame him? She has rockin tits.
>>82577014
>What was he doing during most of the airport fight?
He has the same problem as Warmachine, in that both of them had tools that are very difficult to be applied non-lethally. He strength and phasing, he also has a death ray beam. Phasing is great defensively but if he use it offensively it would kill. And when he tried to use his beam he nearly killed Warmachine.
>>82577481
B cups at best.
Subpar.
I've talked to a lot of people who say he was nerfed in this movie. Is that true?
>>82577532
Seems that way. He was looking at a fucking cook book for a recipe.
>>82577532
He can get super-dense and incredibly strong, like punch it with the Hulk strong. This is possibly what Wanda was activating when she sent him through the floor.
>>82577532
>I've talked to a lot of people who say he was nerfed in this movie. Is that true?
He lost his "worthiness", according to the writers. He is learning both good and bad things now that he is no longer just a computer program, and he had to learn how to be a good person from scratch. Right now he is struggling to deal with the fact that good intentions is not enough.
>>82577512
He could just be heavy and punch people? It's not hard to show his density powers offensively by showing how the ground cracks as he lands, or his heel digging into the asphalt as he braces for a punch.
>The scene with him and Wanda cooking
A will-they-won't-they couple cooking food together is the cutest god damn thing in the world, holy shit.
>>82577014
pym particles, aint gotta splain shit
>>82577581
>He could just be heavy and punch people? It's not hard to show his density powers offensively by showing how the ground cracks as he lands, or his heel digging into the asphalt as he braces for a punch.
He could, but he doesn't actually want to USE superstrength here. Really, most of Team Cap's side don't have much endurance and any amount of super strength can do real damage.
>>82577014
I think he was making sure no one would escape, when team cap was trying to go to the quinjet, he is the one who stop them. Then Scott use Giant-man as a diversion and he is forced to fight him
>>82577618
MCU is going to save Wandas legacy
I love this scene. Seeing Vision reduced to spaghetti pouring out of his pockets was adorable.
>>82577645
Yeah that's what I was thinking too.
>>82577463
He's actually not a robot. Since he's got free will and can choose his own actions. A robot, by definition, can not.
Sorry for being an autist.
And he might very much be able to love Wanda. We have no clue about how he works, and neither does he. As stated in the film. But he has the fucking Mind Gem. So he might very well be more cognitive than any human, ever.
>>82577014
Same problem as Martian Manhunter. Way too strong so he either has to be nerfed or forgotten so he can't stop everyone in mere seconds.
Vision holding back makes sense seeing as nearly everyone else was in that fight. Wanda even commented that Clint was pulling his punches. So I don't think he was nerfed at all, since he was devastating when actually using his powers.
The one who really felt nerfed was Pete, since he was getting out-muscled by people that have no business even matching him for strength, but I suppose that could just be explained by him being so new at all this that he doesn't really know what he's capable of yet.
>>82577907
Pete is new and Tony probably told him to go easy.
And Vision seemed like the one who wanted to be in that fight the least of all of them. So he probably only went in when he thought it necessary so the entire ordeal wouldn't completely spiral out of control.
>>82577014
He was holding back.
Saw what happened when he actually starts fighting?
A NIGGER NEARLY DIED
>>82577968
>So he probably only went in when he thought it necessary so the entire ordeal wouldn't completely spiral out of control.
And yet...
>>82577014
Same thing Thor was doing during most of the Sokovia stuff in AoU: taking a nap.
That's the issue with disparaging power levels, but I don't really mind.
>>82577014
Did he technically rape Scott? He just went inside and through him without permission, imagine how poor Scott feels?
>>82577841
Apology not accepted.
I'm well aware he's NOT a robot, I meant his personality is all very robotic (unemotional, you autist). Which is exactly why him having "romantic feelings" felt very forced and contradicting of his character.
>>82577528
>b-cups
One day you will learn about boobs and boob sizes.
>>82578689
>implying anons will ever even clue into the relationship between cups and straps
>>82577014
he was jacking it to Wanda's ass from a distance
it's what makes him worthy
The entire scene was disjointed shite.
Wanda would disappear for what felt like minutes at a time (probably more like 20-30 second chunks, still felt significant), seemingly doing nothing at all despite not being shown to be in any way occupied either when they cut away from her or when they cut to her.
>>82578223
He can still feel
>>82577907
>The only one who really felt nerfed was Pete
This. It's not enough to ruin the film, and you're right that it's not inexplicable, but it did bother me.
>>82579314
>>82577907
>he was getting out-muscled by people that have no business even matching him for strength, but I suppose that could just be explained by him being so new at all this that he doesn't really know what he's capable of yet
That and super strength doesn't negate physics. A lot of the times he was being "out-muscled", the person he was fighting was just exploiting pivot points and other movement control techniques. Cap especially did that well.
>>82579772
Wouldn't the tears burn a lot more if they were liquid metal?
>>82579314
>>82577014
Trying to phase into Wanda.
He said he was pro-life in AoU didn't he?
A single punch from him could literally obliterate anyone in the airport.
>>82578223
Having control of ones emotion is not the same as having no emotion.
>>82577463
Vision isn't a very robotic robot. He never has been.
>>82578223
VIsion's not unemtional at all, he's just sophisticated.
>>82577841
He is still a robot he only seems to have the illusion of free will and choice. His conscious is probably limited unless the gem gives him some type of transcended presence. No soul.
>>82577512
I agree, but I think think the directors were just very negligent. Every one gets their own little funny/ranking fights (we now know spidey is PHYSICALLY stronger than cap and bucky, and that black panther is at the VERY least on par with those two) while vision just sorta sits there, they could have at least showed him and Wanda having a struggle or something. Not that I have much to complain about, loved the movie, this is just something I noticed.
>>82580852
>while vision just sorta sits there, they could have at least showed him and Wanda having a struggle or something
If I was Vision I would just sit there too. You think he WANT to hurt his former comrades? Vision outright said that he wanted to be non-threatening to stop people from being afraid of him. So naturally he couldn't bring himself to really fight his friends, as that would oppose his personal goal of looking safe and friendly.
So I got a couple questions about the movie.Since there isn't a sticky, I think this is the place to do it:
When Clint meets Cap right before the airport battle (when Lang is introduced to the group), he mentions that he's happy to help because he owes Cap. What is he referring to?
And right before Tony goes to New York to recruit Peter, he asks Black Widow if she has a plan. She answers yes, and that it is downstairs.I don't get it..
>>82580808
In this case, this is really more your hangups on AI than a problem with the character.
>>82580981
Black Widow immediately goes and tells T'Challa they know where Bucky is. He's her plan.
>>82580981
Nat meant Black Panther was downstairs and he'd help them stop Bucky.
>>82580981
Cap saved Hawkguy in Avengers
>>82577618
too bad she doesn't give a shit about him.
>>82577014
>>82580937
>>82580852
Vision really didn't have the conviction to bring out his all for this fight. He knows he's one of the more powerful members of the team, and without proper control, he could lethally harm his friends.
Like, rather than taking downGiant-Manhe just phases through him to see what's going on, even though he very well could have.
His primary concern for most of the movie was keeping the team cool and safe, and there may have been some affection for Wanda.
When explaining his reasoning for supporting the Accords, he is calmly just trying to rationalize and think through the situation. He doesn't claim he has the one true solution, but he's taking what he believes is the best option for the team for the time being. He's not emotionally convicted to the cause like Tony or T'Challa
So yeah, lots of reasons he isn't doing much physically.
In the movie, Black Widow apologizes to T'Challa for Nigeria. When did they ever go to Nigeria?
>>82581162
I'm sure she did, then he arrested her
>>82581206
Opening Avengers sequence was in Nigeria
>>82581206
In the opening of the film when Cross Bones attacks the Nigerian SDC. Did you watch the movie?
>>82577014
Beating off to Wanda
The airport fight was in Germany right? Where does Tony live? California?
>>82581227
Huh?
>>82581235
So they attacked a Nigerian building in Lagos?
>>82580808
>he only seems to have the illusion of free will and choice
He's a human, then. What's the differnece between free choice and illusion of free choice? Our choices are defined by our personality and feelings, so we don't choose any of them.
>>82577907
I can believe that a teenager who has had superpowers for six months could be outclassed by three combat-experienced soldiers with their own tricks.
>>82581334
>Lagos /ˈleJɡɒs/[11] (Yoruba: Èkó) is a city in the Nigerian state of Lagos.
>>82581334
>Lagos(...) is a city in the Nigerian state of Lagos. The city (...) is the largest in Nigeria, as well as on the African continent.
I assume all buildings in Lagos are Nigerian
>>82577014
Why was Red Tornado in this movie again?
Are they leading up to justice league?
Why bother fleshing him out?
Its confirmed Thanos gets the gauntlet and Vision has a stone in his forehead
>>82577014
Being stuck in a hole.
>>82580739
>Vision isn't a very robotic robot. He never has been.
He's also infused with human DNA but everyone seems to forget this.
>>82577528
>B cups at best.
>>82578689
>One day you will learn about boobs and boob sizes.
We need to settle this argument . . . .
>>82581675
I hate her ugly, pug-nose.
>>82581739
DELETE THIS
>>82581739
No you don't.
You love her and you want to hug her.
>>82580808
>implying all "free will" isn't an illusion
>>82577532
Nah he isn't weaker he just isn't present in the fighting. He bullied hawkeye when he tried to fight him like he was a fucking baby and it was satisfying as fuck
>>82582287
I want to fugg her
>>82582434
Respect her purity pls.
>>82577512
>Phasing is great defensively but if he use it offensively it would kill.
Comics Vision always does that partially-solidifying-inside-the-chest to incapacitate but I guess they didn't think it would work in live action. Also, it's really cheap.
>>82582594
I want tohug_her
>>82577532
No, he wasn't nerfed, just mysteriously neglected as OP said. Otherwise he would have dominated the fight.
>>82582740We all do.
>>82577553
>Seems that way. He was looking at a fucking cook book for a recipe.
If I use a cookbook for a recipe instead of Googling it on my smart phone, am I being nerfed?
>>82579826
>That and super strength doesn't negate physics. A lot of the times he was being "out-muscled", the person he was fighting was just exploiting pivot points and other movement control techniques. Cap especially did that well.
This gets forgotten a lot. However, Spider-Man really should have been able to overpower Captain America with speed and strength, but he didn't because it's Cap's movie and making people job to him is his greatest power. It happens in the comics all the time.
>>82581334
>>82581347
>>82581367
I think he's confusing Lagos with Laos.
>>82577126
I liked MCU "Zemo". Sure he has nothing to do with Zemo but he was an interesting villian and is probably my Nr 2 MCU Villian after Loki.
>>82577014
I assumed he held back because he could have easily killed pretty much everyone and they were trying to avoid that.
>>82582399
Do NOT bully Clint.
>>82583086
I thoroughly enjoyed quipeye getting beat up
>>82577014
He was too strong to be prevalent in the fight.
I'm surprised he was handled as poorly as he was, especially since there were multiple angles they could have come from and it would've been fine. They could have played up his earlier comments on how conflict breeds catastrophe and had him stay mostly neutral, only intervening when Captain was escaping in the jet. They also could have had him locked in combat with Scarlet Witch, since she was the only would who could have even touched Vision.
Instead he just seems to be hovering over the entire conflict and occasionally intervening, even though logically he should have been able to break Captain America's legs in like one second and end the conflict right there. There's also no reason he wasn't able to instantly put down any of the others except for Scarlet Witch.
>>82577014
Plot induced Stupidity, hes too strong to make a fighting script so the director has him do nothing offscreen.
>>82583223
>quipeye
Wut
>>82583227
>even though logically he should have been able to break Captain America's legs in like one second and end the conflict right there
Then you completely missed the fact that no one was going to break ANYONE's legs. And if actually believe breaking his legs was on the cards then you missed the entire point of that fight.
>>82577014
Protecting people from getting hurt, watching to make sure no one dies. Every thing he did in that fight was purely defensive until he was directly asked to fire a beam. And the ONE time he does something offensive it fucks up and cripples someone. Clearly, Vision will not be using any sort of offensive power on anyone for a long, long time if ever again.
>>82582856
Nah. He didn't because hes a kid who has never fought outside street brawls, which his powers make equivalent to beating up a toddler. There are physical setups and combinations you can't avoid with speed or strength unless you already know them. Spidey is punching him? Sweep a foot as he shifts his weight and follow through on the huge opening. Or take the hit, grab the hand, and shoulder throw. No matter how strong you are, if cap puts you in a shoulder throw you are hitting the ground hard unless you know to hip block. Spiderman definitely doesn't know to hip block.
>>82583626
The strength can be dealt with, but Spider-Man should be too fast for Cap. However, the MCU Spider-Man might not be as unfairly fast, which would make balancing his fights much much easier.
>>82583696
Man, you just totally ignored what I said. Ok, spider-man is faster cap, who cares? How do you dodge things you don't see? How do you stop counters based on prediction of your movements? How do you defy the laws of physics when you don't have the power to fly?
Look at the end fight between stark and rogers. Roger was way faster, beating the shit out of him, and all it took was ONE predictive block to turn the fight and fuck him up. You think a guy who's entire life is fighting people hand to hand can't see the patterns of the greenest rookie to ever fight an avenger?
Unless spidey has 360 vision, the ability to change his mass, and can dodge bullets, I really don't see a way for him to avoid every single attack cap can perform on him. (Which, to really hammer this down, WILL NOT BE DIRECT AND BASED ON SPEED)
>>82583696
Here, let goku educate you on how to fight speed.
https://youtu.be/oYOpc4kZ_-s?t=221
>>82583978
oops, 3:40 timestamp
>>82581675
Those are Cs. People get this false idea of what "large" breasts are from comics and video games, but my gf's sister has Ds and they're not much bigger than Olsen's.
>>82584373
angles matter
>>82584373
>Those are Cs. People get this false idea of what "large" breasts are from comics and video games, but my gf's sister has Ds and they're not much bigger than Olsen's.
It helps that in fiction the females exaggerate their cup size by having proportionally impossibly tiny waists. So even if the cup sizes are the same the fictional portrayal LOOKS larger.
>>82577907
>The one who really felt nerfed was Pete, since he was getting out-muscled by people that have no business even matching him for strength
Playfully stopping Bucky's robot arm and cooing over it established pretty clearly the relative strength levels, spidey was outmaneouvered by more experienced fighters, not outfought
>>82580981
Clint owes Wanda a debt, not Cap.
I guess this is the main Civil War thread? I got a bit of a question. When Bucky noticed the newspaper clerk running away there was something like a USB drive on top of the newspaper but he just tossed it aside so he could look at the headlines. What was the deal with that? Just a random paperweight or did he know that guy and got sold out?
>>82586937
It was a lighter.
>>82577014
The thing about the airport fight is simple:
Everyone was holding back.
Vision and Scarlet Witch could have ended the fight for either side with vicious and merciless results but it would have ended in death for people they considered their friends.
This is why both Vision and Scarlet Witch did so little. They knew they could stop it, but they didn't because they didn't want to kill their friends.
>>82577014
Ant-Man shrunk him in the initial clash and he spends all that time figuring out how to regain his size.
>>82587272
>Scarlett witch can literally control several people at distance like she did in Age of Ultron
>Vison could easely get to Bucky and fly away with him and noone could do shit.
>>82578223
>not building your robot with a massive cock that needs to be serviced
>>82582434Thanos already did.
>>82577014
>What was he doing during most of the airport fight?
He was marveling at what Airports sell behind security now.
No the question that needs answering is where the fuck Loki was during all this. Haven't seen him in ages.
>>82578223
>I meant his personality is all very robotic (unemotional, you autist)
MCU Vision has been thoughtful and philosophical since he pretty much appeared in AoU.
He's like barely a few seconds old and he's gazing wistfully out at the city.
If anything he's a big softie.
>>82590486
Pretending to be Odin, worrying about Thanos coming to push his shit in.
>>82577014
He was struggling to figure out which black guy was which. He's got too much subconscious racism.
It's why he accidentally hit Rhodey instead of Falcon.
When will he get screentime?
>>82591382
when he isn't being a faggot
>>82581162
She does care for him but has alot of problems to deal with.
I think they are going in opposite directions and meeting in the middle. They are both insecure about what and who they are.
> Vision is trying to become more human.
> Wanda is "falling toward apotheosis" and becoming less human.
Ironically Vision may be what helps her hold onto her humanity.
>>82577996
Vision is a COP
>>82589044
>>Vison could easely get to Bucky and fly away with him and noone could do shit.
kek
