Was bee and puppycat just a scam?
>>82538812
yup just like labelless tin can and mighy no 9
>>82538833
I just saw all the episodes thought the show was bland but i keep seeing all these comments about how they took people's money and just like you someone compared it to mighty no. 9
Probably not, just a victim of poor planning.
Technically no, practically yes.
>>82538812
nah, it was just extremely poorly-thought out
>>82538937
>>82538937
How so?
>>82538812
The feet remind me of CWC a little.
>>82538812
New design is better. Old design was sloppy.
/co/ is just upset because she's less fappable now.
Turns out SJWs aren't good at real world activities like planning or finances.
>>82538812
who the hell drew the new one
the old one has the perfect proportions for that artstyle, and the new one is just fat for no reason
>>82539455
less fappable, less effort, less animation, less everything
boy, aren't we just petty about all these things
less is more and how dare people get upset that the thing that they paid for looks nothing like the thing that they got
Didn't they get cheap and get another animation team to do the rest of the episodes?
>>82539488
Natasha designed both
The new one was a redesign so that people don't have to try hard at animating shit
jesus christ I want this cancerous art style to die already.
I was never even a fan of the old design, but the new one looks like complete garbage.
>>82539525
but the first one doesn't look hard to animate at all, and they are supposed to be profesionals, also they can just leave the animation to koreans
actualli i think the second would be harder to animate because it looks flat as fuck im not asying that the old one is really 3 dimensional but at least it has something that actually looks like hair over her head
No, it was just run by a bunch of idiots who had no idea how to run a show.
>>82539696
It's not hard to animate, but less easy to animate
There are too many features and details to keep track of
If you compare the pilot to the final product, it's obvious that the same level of quality wasn't upheld
>>82539696
putting the hair behind her ears allows them to just use a single symbol on a layer under the body for the hair.
the feet and hands are simplified too.
>>82538812
not gonna lie left has more appealing proportions despite having tumour legs idk why /co/ bashes it so hard
i doubt any character design artists browse /co/ but it'd be nice to get their 2 cents
>>82539525
>The new one was a redesign so that people don't have to try hard at animating shit
It must be so difficult animating Adventure Time-era designs, those poor babies
>>82539845
The only thing left has going for it is the design is tighter and more consistent than left, they've gotten rid of all the non necessary features, other than that it's a terrible redesign.
>>82539525
Both of those are incredibly simplistic.
When your job is an animator, you should strive for challenges
>>82538812
>>82539056
Switched studios mid production. Being made in Japan.Episode update on kickstarter: "This isn’t the final version, though. The episode is still in retakes at OLM, and when the animation is done, the audio will need to be mixed. The process takes a while"
>>82540063
>The process takes awhile!
Then why does it look like such shit?
>>82539455
Stan-Sized chin is the definition of the word sloppy
>>82540117
because animation is time consuming no matter how you do it.
the problem is that its taking way too long for the results they deliver.
>>82540117
No clue. Seeing the updates give me a small glimmer of hope. But I backed this pile of dogshit so I'm buckled in for the ride.
>>82540041
You can still see that the new design is even more basic than the old
Shoes changed into sneakers, clothing becomes tucked in and drawn close to the body, smaller details disappear and limbs/hair increase in size
All because it's hard to keep up the smaller things
Also, I'm assuming you haven't seen the difference in animation between the pilot and the series, so go watch them
Google it if you have to
post yfw you didn't give a dime to this piece of shit project
>>82540304
>>82538812
>Kikestarter
Yes
>>82538992
Poor planning indeed. There's no conceivable way to fund a series on that much money. Obvious Avatar was higher aiming, but for some perspective, a single episode of AtLA was about $1million total.
>>82540760
A single episode of Invader Zim was about 900k total.
Hell I think Father of the Pride cost 2.5 million per episode.
>>82538812
Why does the voice actress sound like she's not trying? It feels like what would happen if I asked my mom to voice act for my show. She doesn't know dick about acting, but it's just going along because the idea is cute.
>>82540304
>>82540304
The show is boring but pretty is that what they're aiming for?
>>82540304
>At least I didn't donate to B&PC
>>82540304
>>82539484
Who knew, right?
The tie-in comic is now cancelled.
>>82540304
>>82541246
Didn't they already release some?
Kek, when is Nat going to show her face at a convention next? Will she even dare?
>>82541170
Uhh, excuse me, shitlord, it's not "boring", it's "safe", okay? Just because you can't appreciate comedy that doesn't rely on conflict, irony or any of those problematic things that make comedy funny, doesn't mean it's not funny, okay? Ugh, I can't even.
>>82541278
#10-11 were released after many months with drastic creative team changes.
>>82540304
>>82541355
0/10
So out of curiosity I checked this out and it feels like the main character got brain damage after the pilot episode for some reason. Also Bravest Warriors seems like another failure
>>82541459
Cartoon Hangover realised that they can make the same amount of money quickier and with less risk just by taking 20 something facts about a random cartoon series and stretching it over 107 entries.
>>82541512
The weird thing is people seem to be watching those videos.
>>82541076
You ever notice that on a lot of these shows the voice actors also tend to be writers and such? It's because the entire thing is a giant circlejerk and it's a way for the creators to get their friends work as much as anything. And it's way easier (and cheaper) to just get Caitlyn the Writer, Adam the Storyboarder or Brent the Intern to voice your characters instead of a professional voice actor.
>>82540231
What a difference a Japanese studio makes.
I'm thinking whoever drew the bottom portion should be in charge, not the person who drew the top half.
>>82540118
It has nothing to do with sloppiness. Her current design actually has her mouth at a set point, where her old mouth slid all over her face and was drawn without any though as to how her jaw existed underneath.
>>82539508
New one has more balanced proportions (not as in realistic, but as the distribution of shapes), a stronger silhouette, is cleaner overall (which is EXTREMELY important for a storyboard-based show) and most importantly: A much better sense of how the character is supposed to look from all angles and poses. You can actually tell where the joints are.
>>82540231
Around when did they switched from korea to japan?
>>82540041
>When your job is an animator, you should strive for challenges
Not when you're operating with a small team and a limited budget.
>>82538812
honestly i don't give 2 metric shits about the designs the only thing that red white and blue ballsed me is the writing
>>82540304
>mfw I tried to warn them
>mfw they didn't listen
>>82540304
>mfw I thought it was tumblr/weeaboo trash from the start
>mfw the tumblr/weeaboo crowd got BTFO
>>82540304
>>82540962
>>82538937
>>82540760
Leave cartoon hangover shills
>>82540760
>Poor planning indeed. There's no conceivable way to fund a series on that much money. Obvious Avatar was higher aiming, but for some perspective, a single episode of AtLA was about $1million total.
This is what they say on their Kickstarter:
>Our minimum goal is to produce six, brand new, six-minute Bee and PuppyCat cartoons.
That adds up to 36 minutes. I guess with the stretch goals they're supposed to make 9 episodes, or 54 minutes. If the six minutes includes credits or an intro or something, then it would probably be more like 45 minutes. Their production quality also seems to be very low.
They shouldn't even need Kickstarter for this, they should be able to do it on their own. People have independently published much more demanding animation than this.
>>82541611
How's that weird, anon?
People have been eating that kind of shit up for a long time now.
>>82540231
What the actual fuck, thats fucking savaged, you don't do that shit, who in the right mind thought top was a good idea. Guessing the excuse is "under-budget"
>>82540304
>>82541980
>It has nothing to do with sloppiness.
Yes it does. Speaking of sloppy, does anyone have that gif of Bee's magically shrinking arm?
>>82540304
>>82543319
The chin size is a choice.
The arm shrinking is an example of sloppiness, but the design is not.
>>82543115
>They shouldn't even need Kickstarter for this, they should be able to do it on their own. People have independently published much more demanding animation than this.
That, and they're fucking Frederator! You can't convince me they need a Kickstarter when they have Adventure Time bringing them money!
>>82543319
Got you covered
>>82543602
I'm looking at this again, it's not just her arms that shrink. Her legs, her head, her whole fucking body scales down as she stands up. Look closely.
>>82543602
> >:T face
Which was the bigger blunder, Hiveswap or Puppycat?
>>82543965
To be fair, she has something in her mouth.
>>82543602
>>82544125
her arms also shrink/transition terribly. Pretty bad inbetweens
>>82540304
>>82541355
This reply is gold omfg
>>82538812
>>82539455
>>82539508
>>82541980
>>82540118
>>82539488
>>82539525
the artist got fatter so she made her self-insert fatter
>>82540304
>>82545254
People keep talking about her design in the show when she's moving it doesn't look too bad but the issue is lack of content and story?? What's even the plot? Is it really a comedy? If so it's super bland
>>82539525
>Natasha designed both
Bullshit.
Her nuBee looks way better than that piece of trash. Notice how she has a little sideburn unlike the other one who has a naked ear. Notice the face and feet proportions.
>>82542377
>>82540962
I'm not shilling, I'm stating the fact that shows are expensive as fuck to make.
They should have either gotten more money or not been so ambitious in their promotional artwork.
>>82545479
The thing is shows are expensive to make do to paying people if they should've kept it a small team
>>82545479
Did you read >>82543115
>>82538812
It turns out animation ridiculously expensive and making a television show is difficult.
>>82545294
I guess its comedy, but its the worst humor and lazy writing I have ever seen. My friends 6 year old likes the show, its just noises. I was done after cleavage crab, I laugh at dumb shit online but that was TeH PengUiN Of D00M stupid.
>>82545548
get out of here, thats baloney
>>82545548
Yeah, its not like they were a studio who had made animated work before and knew what they were doing or anything. These are 6 min shows with hardly any complex art or animation, a small team of 5 people could have cranked these out in just months.
>>82538918
because mighty n°9 was quite the scam mate, not only the game doesn't look anything related to the final product the game itself looks terrible and they delayed it inumerous time. not only that but the creator also had ANOTHER kickstarter going on at the same time that FAILED but a chinese company ended up paying for the project anyways, apperently they were going to receive money from that company regardless and they wanted to get more shekels out of people.
>>82545611
I'm so mad I paid for that "game" my fanboy for Megaman betrayed me.
>>82545548
Meanwhile in Japan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_DyGOtXKRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9sWa7n8dsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwBcyUGXI2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC119ND1FTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-840keiiFDE
>yfw you DID give money to this shit
goodbye $20. You could've been 2-3 meals.
The pilot wasn't even good, never understood what people saw in this at all.
>>82538812
Regardless if it was meant to be or not they didn't keep their word, so of course people are gonna be mad.
>>82540304
>>82545675
It had 2 good jokes and some decently cute art and people were hopeful for more.
That's about it, really.
>>82545649
Bright and colorful doesn't make it good animation most anime is badddd for the still images with literally a mouth opening and closing besides studio ghibli the only time anime from a show has impressed me is from the naruto fight scenes where the frame rate is high as fuck
>>82545710
Nobody said that "bright and colorful" makes something good animation.
>most anime is badddd for the still images with literally a mouth opening and closing
This is a myth, and you obviously did not look at any of those videos.
>besides studio ghibli the only time anime from a show has impressed me is from the naruto fight scenes where the frame rate is high as fuck
I'm pretty sure your views regarding Ghibli and Naruto are irrelevant to this thread.
The point here is that those videos are all self-published, amateur and/or one man projects. The first one is just the first part in a so far six part series, and the episodes are ~16 minutes long:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLJxhZ2Dhag
Shit is seriously fucked when someone raises over $800K to animate some shitty looking six minute long episodes and then something goes wrong and people are like "well it's so expensive and difficult to animate things, can't be helped!"
>>82545611
>tfw legitimately forgot about MN9 until I heard it was delayed again
thank you con man
>>82545673
>2-3 meals for 20$
God, how I envy first-worlders.
>>82545883
Where are you from?
And why?
>>82538812
It wasn't a scam, but it did highlight all the things that are wrong with Western animation today.
This was a concept rather than a fleshed out story. Frederator saw a potential property, not art. Either Nat didn't have anything meaningful she wanted to say and simply indulged in her affection for drawing cute characters, or her ideas were muted and bastardized through committee. Either way, the end result thus far is something more meandering and shallow than the creators seem to believe.
On the visual end, Western companies don't do enough on the animation side before they hand everything to the Koreans. There is a real shortcoming in technical know-how. The animation production was actually quite competent, but whatever they sent to the overseas studio was barebones, and the studio did not have or want the responsibility to correct issues like >>82543602 . Compare this situation to the Japanese, who can do everything in house, or Korean studios who are given creative control, such as with Korra. If Frederator isn't going to put in the work, then the animation studio needs to have a say in creative matters beyond just what they can do given the budget.
That said, this >>82540231 is looking very promising. It's clearly by a company that can do better than whatever the Frederator crew gives them, and isn't afraid to do it.
>>82540063
You were supposed to be finished years ago.
How do you fuck up this badly?
>>82543115
God damn this.
Some YouTube animator will put out higher quality, faster, on his own, with no funding at all.
>>82545822
The first video is full of cliche bad anime animation they barely even move! It feels so still like im reading a picture book
>>82546109
Why are you trying to make things up?
>>82546170
Are you trolling?
>>82546217
How exactly do your attempts at making things up make me a troll?
>>82546233
Yea you're a troll and you had me for a sec. Gr8 b8 m8
>>82545673
>>82545883
I assume he meant 2-3 meals eating out.
If you spend $20 for 2-3 home-made meals you're stone-cold retarded.
I'm filthy rich and $20 is what I can live off a week on while being /fit/ and hitting a bodybuilder's macros.
>>82546246
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>82540231
Jesus Christ, you can't even tell Bee is crouching in the Before without noticing that she's crouching in the After
>>82546247
I'm also a racecar driver and I've climbed the world's tallest mountains and I'm married to a super modelon 4chan I'm everything I've dreamed of
>>82540231
the first one is a storyboard, to get the idea across, show basic framing and camera angles. The bottom is a layout, which is like a blueprint for what will actually be on screen. Animatics get updated as production moves forwards with more and more complete versions of shots, so you'll see storyboards getting replaced with layouts.
>>82539455
Fat woman detected.
>>82541980
>Her current design actually has her mouth at a set point, where her old mouth slid all over her face and was drawn without any though as to how her jaw existed underneath.
That has nothing to do with design you dumb animal. You're talking about animation.
