Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows.
Don't group DD with the Flasher.
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>>82521649
>Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows.
I'm waiting...
Red Batman season 2 was okay. The whole Elektra/Hand stuff was handled poorly and should have been either a secondary plot or its own five episode miniseries with Elektra as the main character. Other than that I'd say everything was great.
>>82521649
Parts of DD season 2 were bad but overall it was decent.
Fuck off. Elektra stuff wasn't as strong as Punisher stuff but that doesn't make it bad. I also actually enjoyed watching it unlike Flash S2.
And we got Punisher series out of it
>>82521774
I think it's less that it shouldn't have been there, it's just that it should have been better. For instance, Nobu, who seemed like a middling boss in the first season, not necessarily the leader of the entire Hand, is now the big bad. We're not informed of whether he leads the whole thing, but we see no one more important the whole season, and not only that, he remains flat, even more one note than in his minor Season 1 appearance. Then, there was some stuff about his attitudes toward battle and respect for his opponent, but now he's just kind of an obstacle, making him a huge step down from Fisk.
The Hand's mythology as well was poorly explained, and many elements introduced this season had no resolution, in fact, nothing really had any resolution, given the final scene with Elektra's body.
An what the heck was with how stealthy the Hand ninjas are supposed to be for Daredevil? Seriously?In season 1, when Nobu hid from Daredevil, it made sense, but this? He can pickup images around him by feeling heat and air currents on his skin, but somehow he can't sense the guys right in frot of him if their footsteps are quiet, or they're breathing softly.
And what's with the costume downgrade? Nobu wore a kickass red Hand Ninja suit in Season on, and now we just get skintight black. It's garbage. I actually wanted more Hand stuff in Season 2 after seeing Season 1, but that's because I thought it would be handled the way it was in Season 1. Disappointing.
>>82521793
I want my Constantine back..
DD should have been the Punishest all season
>>82521933
Poor Nobu
>>82521649
Daredevil season 2 was great until the last two episodes, at which point the quality dropped like a fucking rock.
>>82521774
>>82521794
>>82521933
The ending of the Frank plotline was worse than all of the the dumb ninja shit combined.
>>82521933
But Nobu isn't the big bad anon, its that shirtless dude that looks huge in S1. Nobu was the big bad in this one to show off the whole immortal warrior aspect of The Hand. I agree with most if your points though, maybe the hand and black sky will be better explained in S3.
>>82521794
I've seen both and some episodes of S2 Flash have been more hype and enjoyable than any of the episodes in Daredevil S2.
>>82522165
Are you talking about Stone? He's not a villain at all.
>>82522165
Are you talking about Stone?
My biggest problem with both season 2's is that the main villain is a big step down from the previous ones. Past that, they're fine. Certainly not mistakes.
>>82522165
No, the Hand's never really had a leader villain that's stuck. Like ever. Even when Elektra was in charge it felt weird.
Both seasons have pretty bad pacing problems. Their main plots drag on for way too long for contrived reasons and you end up not caring anymore when they do accomplish something so they can move forward.
Picture not related.
Flash S2 has had a lot of misses but it's still great. I just think they wrote themselves in a corner with yet another Speedster villain mentor.
>>82522113
This. The only saving grace for me is Fisk's scenes and the set up for Born Again in Season 3
>>82521649
What about Gotham? i just watched the first season, how it's now?
Is Barry dead?
>>82522338
Born Again in Season 3? i think it's too soon
>>82522539
Fisk is getting out of prison soon and he's gunning for Nelson and Murdock, Karen's past has been brought up multiple times and she knows who Matt really is now, Elektra's already dead, Bullseye is out there and so is Nuke. They've already laid the groundwork, the question is if they'll do it this season or next. We've still got a Punisher series and the Defenders to come, we'll see how quickly that moves things forward with Matt.
>>82522402
Course not.he's just stuck in the Speedforce.
>>82522291
>>82522300
What happened to Stone, anyway?
S1 played him up as Stick's superior.
>>82522291
But he's only had like one appereance in the series. Maybe they'll write him like a bad guy on this one?
>>82522310
Maybe it'll end up being the same in the series.
>>82522709
Fisk really doesn't need Karen to spill the beans on Matt to want to destroy Matt's life. And I doubt they'll allow Karen to become crack addict and porn star because women aren't allowed to be weak and wrong.
>>82522772
>But he's only had like one appereance in the series. Maybe they'll write him like a bad guy on this one?
Why would they? They hypothetically could, but there's no reason to think they would.
>>82522865
>And I doubt they'll allow Karen to become crack addict and porn star because women aren't allowed to be weak and wrong.
No, it's more like that the character doesn't seem to be going in that direction. (But who knows, right?)
I'm sure the show that's as chocked filled with as much gore and violence isn't unafraid to be a bit offensive.
>>82522865
It kinda seems like she was there before, because everytime they bring up her passed she gets shifty and fearful. Like in season two when the editor showed her the files Ben had on her she looked like she was about to cry, but then he said that Ben didn't care about that and neither does he
>>82521774
Karen Page simply can't act, she is consistently awful.
>Red Batman
Confirmed for never reading Daredevil
>>82521649
their costumes are pretty cool
>>82522113
>>82522338
What was wrong with it?
>>82523183
1.) The ridiculous coincidence of Frank's commanding officer and only contact from the trial being the Blacksmith who is both tied to the Hand plotline and responsible for Frank's family's death
2.) All that build up for Frank finally getting the skull and full gear, and all he does in the last episode is shoot two ninjas that Matt was already beating up and then leave. I barely even realized he did anything by the time he left.
>>82523116
Oh the ironing
>>82523264
>Frank gears up
>big fucking gun
>"oh shit, he's gonna mow down some damn ninjas!"
>lol no jk
I'm still a little upset
>>82522402
god i fucking hate that costume
>>82523352
I think they ran out of money.
>>82522918
They did make him a villain in the Elektra movie, and we all saw how that turned out
Post yfw Fisk showed up
>>82523465
>>82521649
For me Flash season 2 is much worst then season 2 of DD (and season 2 is still grate). Because they didn't do such a stupid thing like Barry giving up his powers when he's stronger the Zoom and Wally is safe. I'm still angry. Next up is a Felicity episode.
Predictions for how flash season two will finish off Zoom:
1. They plug him so full of velocity drugs his head turns inside out and he explodes into speed force
2. Wally vibrates through him and he explodes into pieces.
3 . Caitlin shoots herself in the heart, making Zoom explode into a paradox (if it worked once before...)
4. Barry does some speed force trick/uses a Cisco Gadget to drain all of Zoom's speed. Freezing him forever.he then explodes
My actual guess isthey pump him full of velocity drugs, meanwhile Caitlin threatens suicide from somewhere far away. Now Zoom races to save her, but with 3+ speedsters intercepting him, he has to push his speed too high and explodes into speed force
>>82523465
>The high points of both seasons are the appearances of Fisk and Letscherbard/Wellsobard.
POTTERY.
>>82522023
Me too, but your shit Constantine media keeps getting in the way of good Hellblazer stuff.
>>82521738
This, as bad as Flash can get at least is not DD
Punisher's story arch finale wasn't neither a finale nor a coincidence, we're going to find out more of why it happened and what it had to do with that disc. You plebes really don't know how story seeding works do you?
>>82525433
How was it not a massive coincidence?
>>82524733
> muh DC
>>82525433
>The sequels will be better!
>>82525433
You don't have an origin story whimper off like that.
>>82525458
Because Clancy Brown's character apparently wanted him there to get killed at the park for either not joining in with their little group, or for having the incriminating data disc, or for reasons we've yet to learn. Did you even listen to their dialogue after Frank runs a car into him?
They're setting the ground work for the continuing drama in a future series.
>>82523352
>>82523264
>2.) All that build up for Frank finally getting the skull and full gear, and all he does in the last episode is shoot two ninjas that Matt was already beating up and then leave. I barely even realized he did anything by the time he left.
I was kinda disappointed too, but it IS Daredevil's show. Frank had plenty of ridiculous badass scenes, he doesn't need to steal the finale as well.
>>82525493
I honestly don't even think it was that bad for a stand alone cut and dry conclusion (even though it arguably isn't), maybe a little rushed without it being dragged over six episodes, but I honestly thought it was kind of clever. The only problem with DD S2 was it lacked the pizzaz that the first season had in its finale.
>>82525509
That wasn't the end of his origin story, the conspiracy is still unraveling as implied by that disc he gets from his home.
>>82521761
How is he wrong?
>>82525666
Because DD S2 was godtier even for some of its faults.
>>82522368
Season 2 of Gotham is way better than Season 1, and I loved Season 1.
>>82525682
It really wasn't. You're just a delusional MCUck
>>82525520
>Because Clancy Brown's character apparently wanted him there to get killed at the park
How does that make any sense? Frank going to the park wasn't something Frank was told to do by anyone else, or something the Blacksmith could have known long enough in advance to schedule the 3-way meeting.
>>82521649
Heroes.
Just...Heroes.
>>82525588
It's still the end of that plot thread on this show. Having 2/3 of a season revolve around a plot thread that only gets concluded in a different show is awful storytelling.
>>82521649
>Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows.
I don't watch Flash, but DD season 2 was a ot funner than the last season. Hell I loved everything about it, even the shoehorned ninja bits, because you bet your ass Stick makes everything fun.
>>82525750
Says the company war fanboy
>>82525755
We've yet to find out apparently, ergo the disc in the picture.
>>82525807
It was a pretty satisfactory conclusion for the little taste they gave us.
>>82521649
The first four episodes of DD S2 were good enough that I really can't consider the whole season to be a failure.
>>82525842
Stick's a jackass who needs multiple punches to the face.
>>82525892
And he gets those various times through this season. I'm sorry but DD season 2 wasn't bad. Far from it.
>>82525880
>We've yet to find out apparently, ergo the disc in the picture.
You're assuming it wasn't a coincidence when there's no plausible way it wasn't.
>It was a pretty satisfactory conclusion for the little taste they gave us.
Frank popping up, shooting two inconsequential henchmen from offscreen, and then leaving isn't remotely satisfying.
>>82525943
> You're assuming it wasn't a coincidence when there's no plausible way it wasn't.
So that disc was just there for no reason?
> Frank popping up, shooting two inconsequential henchmen from offscreen, and then leaving isn't remotely satisfying.
It's the Daredevil show, not Frank time, while it would have been killer for a bigger blow out finale with the Punisher it wasn't necessary and would have presented it's own issues with storytelling and setting the tone for the next season.
Really it just seems like you're flipflopping between two ambiguous points trying to treat it like it's own terrible flaw.
>>82526027
The disc doesn't suggest any connection to the death of Frank's family. And as I've already mentioned, there's no plausible way his family's death could have been planned.
Stealing DD's thunder isn't necessary for a conclusion better than what we got. It was so inconsequential that you could cut those five seconds out and no one would even notice.
>>82521649
Season 2 of DD fell so hard. The blacksmith shit was so out of left field and had no buildup to it. The final fights was shit and Punisher was wrapped up weakly. It felt super rushed and dragged the entire season from a great to an okay.
>>82526112
Then what was the disc for?
mfw I enjoyed DD S2 start to finish.
ITT: DD S2 wasn't perfect so that means it's AWFUL FOREVER!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!
>>82526229
>says the overly defensive MCUck
>>82526156
It could be anything, but there's nothing suggesting anything to do with the park massacre.
It's almost certainly related to Microchip, who Frank will probably utilize as a resource.
>>82521649
They're just trying to avoid Arrow's fate by sacrificing S2 to make the rest better
>>82526229
That's the logic /co/ is applying to S2 of "The Flash".
>>82525750
The Punisher stuff was good.
The ninjas and Elektra stuff was bad.
So the show is only half bad.
The ratio on The Flash is more than half bad because they aren't using Eobard at all.I still like Flash though.
If you want to see the real "Season 2 was a mistake" material, watch Human Target.;_;
I still find it hilarious that Elektra's entire character arc in the third act is her angst over being the Black Sky, but they still haven't explained what the fuck the Black Sky actually is. It would be like if they never actually explained what the fuck a Jedi was in A New Hope. You can't base an emotional arc on a vague mystery, you're building a mansion on a foundation of sand.
It's actually a good cousin to the Flash S2 issue of Zoom basically being the season MacGuffin because they refused to give him any character at all until the reveal. TV writers need to realise that LOST is over, we don't need you to jerk us off with season-long mystery that serves no purpose. Just write a fucking story.
>>82526327
S2 of The Flash isn't "not perfect", it's downright bad.
>>82526346
Don't remind me man, talk about the blunder of the fucking century.
>character literally named Poochie
>>82526348
I wish there was no mystery with Zoom at all.
I wish he was just Michael Myers with speedforce. He wasn't a very good villain before, but now he's downright comedic in how evil he is.
>>82521933
They should have had Kirigi for Season 2 instead. They said they almost used Kirigi instead of Nobu for Season 1.
>>82526361
So is Daredevil's.
>>82526396
>pic
Are you trying to say my waifu is some sort of blunder?
>>82523465
>frank walks into weight yard
>see fucking 500lbs getting benched
oh shit
>>82526436
>Implying that's a bad thing
"I love being evil" Hunter is way more fun than "I'm slowing to a crawl and I must speed" Hunter.
>>82523465
9 and 10 were the best episodes of season 2 by a country mile because of Fisk. Please have him back as the main for season 3
>>82526436
Remember when we thought it was Barry's Earth2 dad?
Man that was interesting. Could have really sold the doppelganger drama.
>>82526449
No, I was just using her expression for emphasis. I have no issue with Emily Thorne: Agent of CIA.
>>82526436
All of his sub-Frankenstein's-Monster shit with Caitlin makes me want to swallow glass.
>YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ME CAITLIN
>mfw
>>82526274
I find that just as ludicrous if not more so an assertion than than the Blacksmith being pure coincidence.
>>82526444
No it sin't.
ITT: "If Flash Season 2 was bad then DD Season 2 has to be bad too!"
So what was the deal with Stick wanting to kill Elektra?
>adopt girl who you know to be a Black Sky (whatever the fuck that means)
>she kills someone in self defense
>"no don't worry she's just a confused girl I can handle her"
>"don't worry Ellie I'll protect you even if it means fighting my own homies"
>train her to be a ruthless killer to fight in your war
>years later send her to team up with Daredevil
>she decides she likes Daredevil more and doesn't want to kill for you
>"she is TOO DANGEROUS. SHE MUST DIE"
>>82526654
That was a bit out of character, yeah, he was trying to prevent her from falling into the hands of the HAND, but still.
>>82526654
Honestly the show did so much damage to Stick they should have killed him off, the character is ruined no matter how many angry zingers Scott Glenn barks out.
I would have preferred Nobu killing Stick, then maybe the season would have had some stakes and we could have been spared his nonsense character arc.
>>82526694
Plus what the fuck was the deal with him being so attached to Elektra as a kid but intentionally cold and distant with Matt as a kid? Maybe I could chalk it up to character development but I don't know which kid he met first.
Season 2 Was Disappointing Because Season 1 Was So Perfect:
The Shows
>>82526923
Season 1 wasn't even perfect in either case.
>>82526758
He discovered Elektra and chose to adopt her. Matt was kind of foisted onto him.
>>82526758
Elektra was his adopted daughter.
Matt was a job.
>>82526986
It pretty much was, GOAT origins, GOAT arch-nemeses.
>>82527038
Both had subpar finales though and Flash had a lot of CW padding and shitty one-off villains.
>>82527081
Both had "padding" because that's how television works.
And both finales were consistent with the progression of the stories.
>>82527038
Reverse-Flash and Autistpin are shit, though.
>>82527176
>Both had "padding" because that's how television works.
Truly perfect TV series don't.
> And both finales were consistent with the progression of the stories.
No they weren't. Fisk wasn't brought down by any of the investigating they did over the season; it was a last minute asspull where they brought back the one cop who SOMEHOW knew detailed info about everyon who was secretly working for Fisk, not just other corrupt cops but the people in the newspaper and shit. It's pretty much the opposite of being consistent with progression when all that progression was meaningless and a last minute solution falls in the protagonists' lap.
And in Flash the finale was weak as fuck; most of it was just people standing around talking about their feelings and shit, like we hadn't already seen 24 episodes of that. And then after waiting a whole season for time travel they pull the "but changing the past is wrong" cliche. What was even the fucking point of all that buildup? They could have not built a time machine at all and saved us the trouble.
>>82527574
It's called character progression. In the last minute, Barry chose to do the right thing.
>>82527620
The timeline had already been fucked with by Eobard so it's not like he gets points for preserving the "original" or some shit. Also I reject your assertion that not changing the past is automatically the morally superior choice unless you are willing to admit that he should have let Cisco die and the whole city get reked by Weather Wizard
>>82527694
Reverting the events of the day before are canonically established to be much less severa than changing the events from 15 years in the past.
>>82526334
>The ninjas and Elektra stuff was bad.
Cod forbid a show based on a comic actually have the shit that's actually in the comics. Why are we watching again? Will you complain when Bullseye shows up too?
Wait...you don't actually read comics do you? Silly me
>>82527988
>As long as it was in the comics its good, even if the execution is severely lacking
You what
>>82526606
In what possible scenario could it have been planned?
>>82526923
>>82526986
>>82527038
Both first seasons had awful finales.
>>82521649
The OP likes to trigger the broad with his shit opinions: the thread
