I'm not sure what to think of this.
http://www.newsarama.com/29144-rebirth-green-arrow-writer-ollie-is-a-social-justice-warrior.html
Ollie was always liberal as hell so it makes sense.
>>82500365
This makes sense.
>>82500365
>I'm not sure what to think of this.
If you read comics you'd be like, "seem like this writer is gonna be writing Ollie like he has been since the 60's"
>Warrior
Check
>Wants justice check
Why can't he be? Aren't all heroes inherently social justice warriors?
There's inequality out there
>>82500365
Seems perfectly in-character. As long as he's smug as hell about it.
So he'a gonna sit on Twitter all day and whinge about titties in comic books?
>>82500429
Lots of people on /co/ don't so expect an abundance of Tumblr boogeyman shit in this thread.
>>82500432
No, Ollie is much more political than the average superhero
Try actually reading comics
>>82500440
Honestly I want to see him argue with Hawkman again
>>82500440
Do you idiots actually think social justice is about online shit?
"Social justice is the fair and just relation between the individual and society. This is measured by the explicit and tacit terms for the distribution of wealth, opportunities for personal activity and social privileges"
>>82500365
He always was insufferable.
>>82500440
>get your hate speech off our city
>>82500365
Ollie is actually doing something which makes him an actual social justice warriorand not a meme one who only ever use their mouth.
>>82500484
>Do you idiots actually think social justice is about online shit?
I think they know better but it's easy to shitpost about
>>82500365
>Oliver Queen campaigning for social justice
SHOCK! GASP! This cannot be! What next, Wonder Woman comics that explore feminist issues? Stop the fucking presses.
Seriously, people, why are you surprised that superhero comics often serve as platforms to explore sociopolitical issues? That's half the reason capes exist in the first place.
how young are you, OP?
>>82500484
She's never going to sleep with you.
>>82500365
Green Batman has always been a terrible character, this isn't news.
Green Arrow's natural evolution as a character from super liberal to super social justice warrior
>>82500471
Greatest friendship never explored.
>>82500484
Probably because non-issues become issues under "social justice" lenses.
>inb4 but those aren't REAL social justice warriors
>>82500365
"social justice warrior" refers to someone who was hyper aggressive and militant; who uses social justice as an excuse to bully others.
It's NOT just someone who wants equality.
Someone who isn't an asshole about it is a social justice advocate.
>>82500567
they both believe the ends justify the means, that killing is necessary/can be heroic
put them both in the justice league and they're the only ones with those opinions (aside from wonder woman, who only shares the latter)
Whoa, are we in the 70's again?No, seriously, how is this news?
>white man with beard
yeah, that's pretty much what most SJWs are
>>82500432
Batman beats everyone equally, but he'd probably get called a rascist every time he hit a black thug.
We all know he only hates italians.
>>82500612
Green Arrow's always been an asshole about it.
>>82500438
SJW's are always smug as hell about it.
>>82500484
No. That is what it should be. What it is are self-declared victims crying about how opressed they are and how unfair society is and how wrong someone is for an expression they made as though they did it to intionally be malicious, who really don't do a damn thing to bring about the change they seek.
>>82500625
Rich white leftist.
Pottery.
Isn't this usual for Ollie?
why put such a shitty label on it?
>>82500623
>No, seriously, how is this news?
Do you really think /co/ reads comics? Most people here just shitpost and whine about "muh tumblr boogeyman"
>>82500669
Percy is clearly unaware of the connotation the term has taken on.
>>82500656
Yeah...
>>82500365
You think this guy chose "Social Justice Warrior" just to cause a fuss and get clicks?
>>82500687
Indeed.
Being called a SJW isn't a good thing nowadays.
The goatee is back!?
For all you people saying that it makes sense, I think you are missing the point. Things have changed - it is about context.
Grell's Oliver Queen was quite liberal but also very brutal. Conflating his old position then we more modern ideals of social justice is like comparing fruit to a car. A liberal in one day might be a conservative tomorrow. The injustices he thought then are different to what many social justice people fight for today.
I loved Grell's Green Arrow. This annoucement? Well, we will just have to see how it goes. I am not very hopeful. I enjoyed Lemire's brief run on Green Arrow but I feel like there are very few creators out there with ideas for it.
This just seems like another move to drum up some semblance of interest in a character with a show that is increasingly rocky and a not very good recent foundation.
>>82500484
>>82500505
Social justice is the same as feminism. It ignores actual injustice in third world countries because it's much easier to invent issues and "combat" them at home, in a cozy developed society. Only fucking retards believe there's social privilege that stems from anything else but money. As for existing issues like taxation and such, I don't see any sort of educated opinions on the subject. Only bullshit that sounds like something from 1922 Russia.
>>82500432
Because social justice and democratic socialism are to justice and democracy what the Democratic people's Republic of North Korea is to a republic. Social justice is inherently unjust because it seeks to forgive people of crimes because they are poor or gay or black while punishing straight, white, rich, and men who haven't committed a crime
He will kill white people .
>>82500365
It's probably just clickbait. I doubt they are using the term the same way you would use it. He's probably not shooting people in the head for manspreading on the subway.
Newsarama thanks you for your clicks.
What's with the faggy bow they keep giving him?
Longbow Hunters more like Compound Amateurs lmao
>>82500365
it's the natural progression of his character
he's grown to be super liberal to counter Batman's heavy right wing values
>>82500612
THANK YOU! Since GG though, this is what the mainstream Internet thinks it fucking means.
>>82500484
That's not justice, that's social Marxism
>>82500365
Sounds fine to me. This is who the character has always been really. It will be interesting to see how far off the tumbler edge he goes though.
Regardless, this is the right character for that.
>>82500840
>he's grown to be super liberal to counter Batman's heavy right wing values
You mean Hawkmans.
"My chosen name is Olivia Queen. After years of living a lie in hell, I returned to my preferred gender as a demi-genderflux female with only one goal: to save my city from the patriarchy. But my old approach wasn't enough. I had to become someone partially female, I had to become something partially male. I had to become... the Green, Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue, Violet, and Indigo FemArrow!"
>SHITLORD, YOU AND YOUR MICROAGGRESSIONS HAVE FAILED THIS CITY!
>>82500815
You have a very cartoonish view of what democratic socialism is.
It's not about punishment or reward. It's abput the fact that what rich and poor people are capable of is not equal, and that you can't pretend a free market by itself is just.
>>82500776
I would really like to see a Green Arrow storyline where he becomes a kind of Che Guevara figure, travelling from country to country helping the locals rise up against despots.
>>82500904
Something something something ethics in bow wielding
>>82500527
underrated post
>>82500776
>This just seems like another move to drum up some semblance of interest in a character with a show that is increasingly rocky and a not very good recent foundation.
Ir, as they've repeatedly said about Rebirth, it's about bringing back classic elements of characters and the world that people loved but were so far missing since the reboot.
>>82500876
He says Batman because he's a casual.
Honestly, if this somehow results in Schmidt giving Dinah a cock I'll be happy
>>82500920
Grell GA deals with this to an extent after a botched job lands him as a terrorist for a while and he's out of the country.
>>82500915
Democratic socialism is a form of slavery just as all socialism is a form of slavery.
>>82500915
This. Even people who support a true free market admit that it isn't fair. The invisible hand is more than just where you shop and who you buy from.
When you really think about it, no modern superhero can be progressive or even liberal, because as works of fiction they always maintain a status quo, which is inherently conservative.
>>82500935
>Ir, as they've repeatedly said about Rebirth, it's about bringing back classic elements of characters and the world that people loved but were so far missing since the reboot.
What they have said and what they will do are completely different things.
The modern Green Arrow has been very tainted by the show trying to make a younger sleeker version of the character who was, in my opinion, best when middle aged.
>>82500776
Important to note that this isn't an announcement. They took a line from the preview and made a headline out of it. It's not like Percy or DC is the one pushing the narrative, no one is out to prove something here.
>>82500973
Just and fair are too different things. Socialism is not just because it forced people into slavery
>>82500963
And then there are terms like "wage slave." No one is truly free because anyone can find slavery in everything.
>>82500365
Same per usual
His beard is now ironic
>>82500768
It was /never/ a good thing. It existed in fandom circles since around 08. It was sarcastic term used by left-wing people to call out the toxic extreme ones, that pervert the cause of "social justice" into extreme hate and bullying. It's only post 2014, that it get refers to anyone even slightly left of the political spectrum/those who talk about social justice issues.
All that's caused now is a whole bunch of cross-purposes, because people don't know what definition you mean when you use it. "SJW" now means many different things to many different people.
>Shitshow
>>82500365
He's more of a Social Justice Ranger
>>82500979
>by the show
That had nothing to do with the show, that was just every character in New52
>>82500979
>What they have said and what they will do are completely different things.
Rebirth hasn't even come out yet. This is the first preview we've gotten of GA. You know knothing about what they're going to do other than what they said they're going to do.
he always seemed to care a lot about stuff that doesn't really matter.
>people reading Green Arrow at all ever
>mfw
>>82500365
Cue all the fake comic book bros that will get their panties in a twist over this because of their witch hunt mentality.
>>82501000
I'm not going to convince you.
Property is robbery.
Telling me to shut up is censorship.
Stop raping me.
>>82501047
Hal pls.
>>82501026
yeah but it's probably no coincidence that Amanda Waller was made young and slimmed down when they were doing the same on the Green Lantern film.
>>82501026
>That had nothing to do with the show, that was just every character in New52
The direct of the comic has changed thought, in part due to the show.
>>82501034
Yes I know. I haven't said I know what will happen. It is an assumption partly based on past experience.
>>82500438
Basically. I mean, Ollie has always been my favorite, and it's exactly because of that. He's the conscience of the Justice League, but man...do you ever HATE telling him that he's right because he will never let you forget it.
>>82501068
Only when it came to adding Diggle who was entirely different from his show character. Kreisbergs run was just him trying to ape his own show and everyone ignores that hot garbage
>>82501068
Only for a few issues because they literally got a guy from the show to write it. Percy's GA is nothing like the show. He's a fucking werewolf right now.
>>82500776
Doesnt it make sense for Ollie to be an SJW if thats the case? Shouldnt he be getting progressivly more liberal as time goes on. He would seem more moderate if he still belived in the ideas he had during Grell's run
>>82501001
Wage slaves aren't a thing. You signed a fucking contract. You voluntarily agreed to work that job for that contract. No one is forcing you to do anything
Where as in socialism you are forced to spend part of your day working for free to pay the state. People are forced to take jobs they don't want because the state requires it, where as in capitalism people would only take a shitty job if there was proper compensation
>>82500471
They met in such a classic Green Arrow/Hawkman way. With Carter smashing him in the face with his mace.
>>82500365
i`m glad i stopped reading DC and marvel last year
>>82501056
Forgot to add "taxation is theft" to the list of "I don't like it so it's suddenly something else."
![237090-114420[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dxfM1Uv.jpg "237090-114420[1].jpg")
>fuck you hal. You disagree with me and you're a cop so you must be a nazi!"
Ollie was a ultra liberal socialist.
Does any have that comic where Hal calls out his bullshit for shiting on billionaires when he fact is one?
>>82501017
It's pretty frustrating to see the slippage of a once-useful term.
>>82501127
Good thing you never read them in the first place
>>82501127
Don't lie, you never read comics.
>>82500771
Yep. He got it back when he caught werewolfism.
>>82500365
dc what the hell are you doing?
>>82501109
What do you mean people are forced to take jobs they don't want? Wouldn't the same thing happen in capitalism, but because you have to survive?
>>82501047
>mfw
Some people just straight up like to eat shit, anon. They also watched his terrible show LMAO.
>>82501179
Writing Green Arrow in character?
>>82501103
>Doesnt it make sense for Ollie to be an SJW if thats the case?
Well I believe it doesn't.
If you want to go back to the roots that made him them fighting injustice is a big part of it. But the kind of injustice described under the modern connatations of social justice is not the same as what Grell Arrow fought.
Also I think we should remember how challenging Grell's Green Arrow was. Not just about the politics but the killing and depictions. What about the abuse suffered by the Black Canary?
The difference is: the old Green Arrow challenged ideas. Making the new Green Arrow agree with them is different. One is about creatively thinking about things, challenging preconceptions. The other is about vacuum chambers.
>>82500365
Well I mean he is a fucking hippie.
>>82500963
>the social contract is tantamount to slavery
Fuck you and fuck Ayn Rand.
>>82500935
Why doesn't Ollie buy the apartment building and pay for the repairs, and give everyone free rent? Why is he harping on Hal, and calling him a Nazi?
>>82500365
I sure hope he has a license for that bow and it is registered with the proper authorities.
>>82500633
>We all know he only hates italians.
Hey now, his most common persona is that of Matches Malone, obviously an Italian-American.
>Oliver Queen is a billionaire
>dons a persona to go "stand up for the little guy" while shitting on billionaires such as himself
sounds like good old Green Arrow was the original SJW.
>>82501109
Not familiar with the gilded age I see.
So I guess it's clear only 1 and 5 people in this thread have read O'Neil's Green Arrow.
>>82501224
how is it in character?
unless you mean that GA will now shoot with his tweet instead of arrows?
is he going to have now a hashtag?
>>82501247
Same reason Bruce doesn't use his money to buy all of Gotham and make it into batopia. PLOT
>>82501281
Most people here are fans of the show or have only read the New52 run.
OLLIE'S A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!
>>82501262
Yep, limousine liberal, champagne socialist, that's our Ollie.
>>82501294
Everyone knows Batman doesn't because he's mentally insane.
>>82500365
>doesnt even post the page
>posts a fucking jewsrama article
Go fuck yourself, you obviously don't care about the comic or the character, just fuck off with your us vs them garbage
>>82500963
Never post right wing opinions on neotumblr. You my be right, but /co/ only cares about feelings.
>>82501313
Greatest insult of all.
>>82501313
So are a lot of SJWs.
>>82501242
Yeah, especially given the "the rich can just fucking leave your system if they want" moral. You'd think with how loose this word can be, these people would join the SJWs since they at least identify as slaves.
>>82501330
>us vs them
That's just the way it is now, and you're clearly with them.
>>82501321
Huh. In my country they're called caviar leftists.
The smug liberal who is perpetually angry at the government and calls anyone who disagrees with him a Nazi? Big shocker.
>>82501206
Nah in capitalism you can make your own company or decide how much compensation you need. You have choices. In socialist countries there are bread lines and no extra incentive for people to do jobs. If I got a basic income why would I be a garbage man when I can just jerk off all day instead? They have to force people to do certain jobs. Plus taxes are slavery
>>82500484
social justice is about the problem of women in their 20s not being able to play call of duty because a 12 years old kid my yell suck my dick to her on the mic.
>>82501361
>>82501360
>>82500365
I'm honestly looking forward to those to choose to pitch a fit about "PANDERING" and out themselves as plebs in the process
>>82500365
Racism and Classism and financial inequity and anti-authoritarianism where his big soap boxes back before the internet was a thing.
So this is fine. I don't see the problem?
>>82501374
Right?
"A small percentage of my overall income is used to pave roads, put children through school, protect my family and our entire nation. This is literally the same thing as being owned by another person and forced to work at gunpoint until I die of exhaustion."
All politics aside, it's the Robin Hood character. Stealing from the powerful is okay if it's for a good cause in these stories. Which is morally questionable, like killing a crying baby to help hide a large group of people. It's hard to find a right answer and it makes for interesting characters.
>>82501418
>fighting "racism" and "financial inequality" while simultaneously being anti-authoritarian
Geez they really did get the retarded liberal doublethink archetype right.
>>82501290
>Ollie being liberal and smug
>How is this in character?
Fake geek boys at it again.
>OLLIE IS GOING TO ACT LIKE HOW HE DID BEFORE THE SHITTY SHOW AND NU52!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Fucking idiots.
>>82500432
ann campea is a qt
>>82501418
>>82501475
I think you can tell which people in the thread are just people from /tv/ pretending they read comics.
>>82500904
Oh god
>>82501391
Taxes are just rent paid to the government. As long as you live there you consent to it.
>>82501446
You can fight those things without wanting more laws to enforce equality.
Like, you know, by making the laws that exist be respected, fighting white collar criminals seems perfectly fitting for a character like that.
>>82501260
Ah yes the Bat equivalent of a Blackface.
Face it, Batman is a Spaghettophobe
Green is my favorite color. It makes me so disappointed that every single hero with "Green" in their name is always shit.
>>82501260
wow, talk about cultural appropriation!
>>82501391
>If I got a basic income why would I be a garbage man when I can just jerk off all day instead?
Because basic incomes are small and things cost money. If all you need is shithole apartment, a can of beans a day, cheap internet, and bargain bin computer then I'm sure a basic income will suit you fine. For those that don't they can go and get jobs. It's entirely possible that the job market will be far better due to the portion of people content to slum it on basic income dropping out of the labor force, increasing competition and raising wages.
>>82501446
Depends entirely on how you go about fighting racism and inequality.
>>82501140
>>82501607
Red is the color of true heroes. All other colors are bourgeois scum. Except for pink they're revisionist scum, the worst kind of scum.
>>82501260
>>82501576
>>82501651
Guys, Malone is an Irish surname!
How did you misunderstand the dynamics of all those old gangster movies this wrong?! Jesus shit.
But isn't the title "Rebirth" extremely triggering and insensitive to MtF victims who can't give birth even once, much less a re-birth?
Fuck these shitlords, seriously!
Socialism is a fundamentally selfish ideology because it's built on the idea that you have a right to someone else's property.
>>82501715
This MUCH I mean. Whatever. I'm so disappointed right now.
>>82501656
For Ollie its often about arrowing criminals who terrorize low income neighborhoods, and also the white collar criminals who's malicious financial machinations are sinking the lives of innocent people in rather specific and robustly blatantly evil ways.
Also yelling at other heroes and forcing people who deal with space stuff to be more grounded.
Like when he dragged GL down to talk to people earthside and he introduced him to an elderly black man who asked him "Green lantern, I heard you help save the green people and the purple people, but when are you going to help the black people?"
>>82501715
Huh, fuck me. I always thought it was Italian.
>How did you misunderstand the dynamics of all those old gangster movies this wrong?! Jesus shit.
Maybe not everybody is an old gangster movie buff, geez wow.
>>82500365
Yeah that's Ollie
I don't know why this is a problem unless you think that all heroes should have your political point of view.
People can be good people and have completely different political ethoses from each other
>>82501713
Atrocitus pls.
>>82501739
>Ollie forces a guy who's job is to sop space crime and make him focus on cosmically insignificant greivances.
>>82500365
So...
Pre-New 52 Oliver Queen, then?
>>82501739
>I heard you help save the green people and the purple people, but when are you going to help the black people?
So what, she doesn't understand how much territory the Green Lantern is supposed to monitor and that two black people each other up is insignificant on the scale he works on?
What a complete and utter bitch, using the race card like that.
Fuck the writers.
So, they're going to have it match up to the failing /tv/ show then? Ya know, it was SJW pandering that ruined Batgirl, I don't think this is a great move. I don't want to hear Ollie bitch out Canary about wearing fishnets and sexuallizing herself in such a degrading manner because it makes women look like objects, or writing an angry blog about how Harley Quinn didn't do nothing wrong because it was all her boyfriends fault, He'll tell us that Harley always had the strength to walk away from him, but never found it until he left. I really wish DC would stop giving the SJW crowd, the ones who don't read comics, a voice and a say in how their comics turn out.
>>82501771
>People can be good people and have completely different political ethoses from each other
Oh boy, you opened one big can of worms there.
>>82501794
Ended up working a little too well.
>>82501770
It's understandable I guess, because it ends in a vowel and is therefore likely to be a filthy immigrant name. But yeah, go watch The Untouchables as a for instance and realize that Sean Connery's character starts acting racist towards Andy Garcia's because he (Malone) is playing an Irish guy and Garcia is playing an Italian, even though they're on the same team.
You know what is the single most impressive thing about Trump? It is how much he does with so little. He only spend $67,000 to win the primary in new york. He only spent pennies per vote. Bernie Sanders spent almost $8 million and lost. I guess that's the difference between a guy who could walk into any bank in the world and get a multi million dollar loan because of his amazing credit. Credit so great that he once testified before Congress on how to improve the credit rating of the usa. Vs Bernie "i've never had a real job" Sanders the sjw socialist.
I wish there was a Trump Batman. He would clean up Gotham for a fraction of the price Bruce wastes
>Pretend to care about social justice
>The writer has made clear that he will ignore the best female character created in an adaptation since Harley Quinn
Hypocrits. Felicity or bust.
>>82500484
Do you really think social justice warriors are actual activists? For anything that matters, instead of petty suburban problems?
>>82501726
No one said it was selfless. That's kind of why Ayn Rand isn't very relevant; her philosophy is a non-statement and if applied at its core, leaves everything the way it is. She's telling the weak and powerless to die and they're saying "no thanks, it is in my rational self interest to vote this way."
>>82500484
>Green arrow's new archnemesis the Glass Ceiling and the right wing death squad! Can our hero stop the gender pay gap before it's too late or will Patriarchy win?
And then the writers complain that nobody buys comics anymore
>>82501148
Fucking Ai! Even more frustrating when right-wing types "admonish" you for not "calling out your own". What do you think that term was fucking for???? GG took it for their own uses.
What's sad is, because of all these alternate meanings you don't know who agrees with you. I mean like before if a kid was being SJWbullied on Tumblr for a transgression (that may not even be a transgression) it was pretty easy to see those who defended them were social justice aligned, but anti-SJWery. Now, the person who uses that could be a literal fucking Nazi. Unfortunately, because of SJTumblr's mentality that could be used against them, which means that developing teenager who's afraid of being "problematic" will side with the SJW. It's horrible because they aren't being allowed to see another view point that neither of the far left OR far right. I still see people using the original definition, but it's few and far between. Failfandom_Anon are the only ones holding the fort. Yet, even some nonnies hold reservations about the acronym, because of how it's now read.
There's an interesting article about the term SJW and it's different contexts.
https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/against-the-word-sjw/
Problem is left-leaning people still need a word to call these people out, it certainly helped in the "RequiresHate" situation/controversy.
>>82501775
All must follow the Marxist-Atrocitus line of revolutionary thought, we will hang the guardians with their own constructs!
>>82501869
>since Harley Quinn
Stop.
>>82500776
>Grell's Oliver Queen was quite liberal
wrong
>>82500365
>A rich white man who pretends to care about the poor as an excuse to indulge violence.
He's perfect.
>>82501739
I'd love to see Hal turn that around on him.
>Gee Ollie, you spend all your time helping the poor and downtrodden on Earth, what about the poor and downtrodden on other planets? The Tech-Lords of Hyperthrax forcibly install machines in the brains of the poor and use them as biocomputers, are you telling me you're okay with that?
>Hal, I don't have a spaceship.
>Don't worry buddy, I'll take you there. Hop on!
>Wait, are you saying you're going to give me a piggy back ride to another planet?
>What's the matter, that toxic masculinity too entrenched to accept a piggy back ride from another man?
>Look, if you're not going to be serious...
>Dead serious. C'mon, man, Tech-Lords, hobo computers, platonic and heterosexual piggy back rides through outer space! Let's go save some poor people!
>>82501910
The "regressive left" took off after sjw became "anyone remotely liberal." It's a better term because they can't spin it as a positive.
Aside from this one dumbass >>82501933 why is everyone acting like people are bitching due to not knowing the character? The whole thread is people raging against imaginary shitposters who think this is out of character
>>82501923
Now I'll read every Red Lanterns appearance as commies spreading glorious revolution.
Pity Atrocitus doesn't have bitchin' mustache.
>>82501559
Haha yeah right.
>>82501948
Hal isn't sharp enough to do something like that. I'm not saying he's an idiot, but he's not the witty type.
>>82501715
Clearly Batman is culturally ignorant and was making commentary on how italians are just as subhuman as the irish in his eyes.
Open your eyes!
>>82500365
>I'm not sure what to think of this.
Fuck off
>>82500365
>OP is a faggot wanting to stir up trouble.
>Doesn't realize this is pretty much in character.
>>82500365
He's always like that.
>>82501951
I tip my fedora to you Dick Dorkins.
>>82501864
>pls stop
>his hands are cold
>is mommy scared?
>he just said he's going to eat me
>I wish mom would best feed me more
>that lady dropped a penny in mom's boobs
>I wish I was in my bouncy chair
>I don't even know who this old white nigga is.
>>82500391
Social justice warriors aren't liberal
>>82501951
The only issue is that I already see legit racists using 'regressive leftist' against anyone who disagrees with them.
I guess that's the issue with extremism though, they'll co-opt any term that reasonable people use pretty much as soon as it's in the public consciousness to appear reasonable themselves.
>>82501849
I'm not even American m8 and to be honest my first experience with the name are Moses and Karl Malone, who are both black.
Which I guess should have clued me in that it's not an Italian name.
>>82502094
Wait...they're not? I mean, sure, they're not classically liberal, but people don't use "liberal" on this board that way very often.
>>82501247
>liberals
>spending their own money
Hahaha haha hahaha he actually is a pretty spot on satire of your basic champagne socialist.
>>82501978
Because of OP.
>>82502039
I now totally want there to be an old Batman comic where he goes undercover as Matches Malone, Ethnic Gangster, and is just a mixed-up mess of criminal immigrant types. "Ey boyo, ye think I won't beat ye with my shillelagh? Fugghedabout it! I'll make the sidewalk as red with your blood as my mamma's saucy capicola!"
>>82500633
>but he'd probably get called a rascist every time he hit a black thug.
Which is why batman never, ever fights any black people
Which is funny for reasons I can't say because the racist /co/ mods will ban me again
>>82502114
There's a difference between "liberal" and "leftist."
>>82502114
I think that guy was all those strong censoring goverment shit
But I'm excited to read Rebirth GA and can't wait for him to finally meet Black Canary
>>82501025
keked heartily
Ollie's original level of liberalness is simply far to moderate for most modern day "liberals" so he isn't returning to form.
current "SJW's" are so far left that they border mental patients.
Wow, tumblr really has destroyed this place.
Look, we get it, Ollie is a Robin Hood-esque figure that fights for social justice.
That is NOT what a social justice warrior is. The term has long been claimed by suburban Iandwhales that think "fighting for social justice" is policing what fictional characters are/look like and throwing temper tantrums on tumblr when scientists use shirts with illustrations that trigger them.
They should definitely have used a different term to describe him.
>>82502135
Something something black crime statistics.
It's justified because there are no black people in Gotham, Thomas Wayne did an excellent job sterilizing undesirables with the help of Sam Raimi's Spiderman.
>>82501933
You forgot to add your reasoning.
>>82500484
Standing up for social justice and being a Social Justice Warrior are two different things that are only tangentially related.
>>82502135
That inspired Priest to write this, unfortunately the art is terrible and he hates how it turned out.
>>82500365
I am still waiting for the first genderneutral member of the Batfamily to be honest.
We have a batgirl a batwoman a batman but no batxir or batxer
>>82502164
>>82502203
No shit, read the thread before you post
>>82500840
>Batman
>heavy right wing values
No?
>>82501436
>20% of my paycheck gets taken in taxes meaning that I work a day for free, all so shaniqwa, Peggy sue and Josephine can feed their twelfth welfare check. I should be happy with this because eventually a pothole on a road I use may get filled in, a nice man in a uniform will show up to do paperwork after I get mugged and some other nice men will show up to soak the ashes that were once my house.
>>82502329
Batman is literally Donald Trump
>>82502329
Nah, Batman does have quite right-leaning values, to be fair.
The thing about Batman and Green Arrow is that they're both assholes, though.
If you really want an argument, ask people what they think Superman's political position is. Most of the time it'll just be 'it's what I am, of course'.
>>82502365
"We are going to build a wall around Arkham and the JOKER IS GONNA PAY FOR IT"
>>82502131
That would be hilarious
>>82502386
Leaning maybe, but not "heavy." He's more of a centrist while Green Arrow is far left.
>>82502364
Let me try to dig through your casual racism to try to find your point, because I still don't see how any of that is even remotely the same as being legally owned by another person who can legally work you to death, while selling off your children right next to cattle.
>>82502304
All I see are people saying it's perfectly natural for Ollie to be a SJW as if that term still meant anything remotely heroic.
It's no exaggeration to say that tumblr is the only place with that delusion.
>>82502415
please, old Ollie is practically moderate compared to the new Radical Left.
>>82502364
In the US the amount of the budget spent on welfare/unemployment is like 12% of the total.
>>82502364
>20%
For me it's more
>government eats a third of your salary
>indirect taxation eats another third
>public services still suck so expect to pay heavily for living with any decency
>>82502441
Yeah, but that's Ollie in the 70's.
Ollie's position has always been radical, which means that some of his views have always had to necessarily change.
>>82502386
I know Injustice isn't actually a good source, but Batman mentions to the conservative President that he voted for him. Could have been lying though, of course
>>82501715
he still worked for italian mobsters tho
>>82502456
With the overwhelming majority of your money being used to make obsolete weaponry that the Pentagon repeatedly asks Congress to not pay for as well as the rest of our defense department.
>>82501951
Nah, now they just use it as a very effective smoke-screen.
>You use the term SJW!? You must clearly be against all Social Justice and equality!
I saw this derailment used before, but now because of who uses it (I mean just look at the site we're on.) they now have an arm of validity.
>>82502485
>Batman votes at all
that's surprising enough
>>82501436
This is a dumb oversimplification
>>82502364
This is 10 times dumber though
>>82502417
You are forced to pay for others' livelihood with your work, and if you don't you get arrested while murders and cartels laugh at the justice system.
Meanwhile (at least here) the money isn't actually used to help these people in any sensible way, so it's not even worth feeling good about the nation and people benefiting from it, the money will be wasted and the status quo prevails while some politician buys his third or fourth ranch/yacht/helicopter/mansion.
>shithole feelings
> Marvel does SJW stuff
> "Fucking liberals and Femnazis!"
> DC does SJW stuff
> "I'm okay with this"
The fact that people and news outlets are using the terms "Social Justice Warrior" and "SJW" ironically drive me insane.
I'm not even one of those anti-sjw neckbeards, I just think its retarded.
>>82502415
All things considered, Batman's a New York Republican.
>>82502426
In the context of the interview Percy was using SJW as someone who cares about actual issues plaguing people and the common man, more like classic Ollie. Not sure if the word was used because of ignorance about the word or in order to create click bait but it seems like he doesn't mean Ollie is going to get triggered over things being "problematic" in video games
>>82502543
is this something new?
>Marvel replace a hero with someone else
FUCKING MARVEL
>DC replace Question with Montoya, Batman with Dick
BASED DC! I CAN'T STOP JERKING OFF TO DICK!!
>Marvel makes strong indipendent woman
FUCKING MARVEL!
>DC makes Batwoman and acts as if she has no ties to Batman to make her more unique
BASED! I LOVE KATE! BASED LESBIAN
I could go on all day
What pisses me off about this isn't because it's not Ollie, but because writer knew exactly what kind of public in what way this specific set of words would attract.
>>82502505
>being used to make obsolete weaponry that the Pentagon repeatedly asks Congress to not pay for
And which weapons would those be?
>>82502585
Isn't arm flapping when angry something legit autistic people do?
I thought that DC was getting out of the SJW phase
Oh well
On less book to read
>>82502536
Good fucking God are you stupid.
Guess what you can do if you don't like the American style of taxation, or the Canadian style of taxation or whatever the fuck. You can fucking MOVE. You can pick up your shit and go wherever the fuck you want. You can even do that if you're dirt poor. You know what they did to slaves that escaped their plantations? They got fed to dogs.
Not to mention that, if you make enough money in America, you can get away with paying NO TAXES AT ALL. Mitt Romney probably paid less taxes than I did last year. Same with Donald Trump. GE, as a corporation, paid NOTHING in taxes and they were legally able to do so.
So give me a fucking break with your bullshit Ayn Rand nonsense. You literally don't know what you're talking about.
>>82502621
tanks and IFVs
>>82502621
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/26/newest-u-s-stealth-fighter-10-years-behind-older-jets.html
>When the Pentagon’s nearly $400 billion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter finally enters service next year after nearly two decades in development, it won’t be able to support troops on the ground the way older planes can today. Its sensors won’t be able to see the battlefield as well; and what video the F-35 does capture, it won’t be able to transmit to infantrymen in real time.
>>82502636
>you can move
I am a third worlder with literally 500 USD on my bank account.
Off yourself.
>>82502032
10 hours stuck in a yellow cube before he thought to even try to use the ring to make a device to hear outside of said cube.
>>82502685
And?
>>82502605
A lot of people here hate Montoya Question and Phyla-Vell is a lesbian introduced through retcon who became Quasar because reasons.
Outside initial griping, it's not the change itself but how they handle the change.
>>82502505
Social security and medicare are actually bigger, but they're both really popular programs that you have to be old and have paid into to to receive the benefits for. Ayn Rand humbly took both after her libertarian philosophy failed to launch her into financial independence. Charles Koch sent Friedrich Hayek a letter telling him to get on social security.
>>82502636
>You can fucking MOVE. You can pick up your shit and go wherever the fuck you want.
You have a fair point about how large earners can get away with little taxation, but that isn't a good point, anon. Moving to a different part of the world can be a lengthy, costly process. Not to mention that different countries can be very selective in who they let in.
>>82502550
If you meant "unironically" I could agree.
>>82502605
Since when /co/ loves Batwoman?
>>82502705
>He gets the assist on the point
>Oh, and look at him push the point forward using compelling arguments
>AND THE SLAM DUNK WITH AYN RAND'S STUNNING HYPOCRISY
I just love being able to demonstrate where tax money goes and how much of it's wasted on expansionary wars that are mostly used to defend the interests of multinational corporations.
>>82502735
Very true. Moving elsewhere is really expensive (I looked up the process of moving to Canada out of boredom the other day, and...WOW), but my point is that it's still possible to do so, as opposed to what slaves are forced to endure.
And what I was getting at with the people who are dirt poor is undocumented immigration. True, it isn't legal and you can face severe penalties for doing it if you're caught, but nothing on the level of what happened to slaves.
>>82502701
>A lot of people here hate Montoya Question
I'm sure some do but it's always seemed that the majority was at least okay with her. Of course it helps that the transition happened gradually in one of /co/s favorite books
>>82502764
Since always. Rucka/JHWIII Batwoman was pretty great, the JHWIII was also pretty good.
>>82502699
"Hurr you should stop complaining that the government forces middle and low income people to pay high taxes for """"" the common good"""" and just move, despite having no money".
You are an illiterate tard.
The government wastes money more than it uses it well here, why should I be happy to pay high taxes? It'd actually be easier if they cut everything down and let people pay for things themselves here because at least we would get SOME services, like education or healthcare.
Instead they pocket it.
And what about capitalists? They are fucked too, the only ones who actually like the system are the ones who aid theft of public funds.
>good boy be happy you pay for a shitty government when people would actually be better of without paying hundreds of thousands per politician, and just keeping their money
>>82502854
Then I visit all wrong threads.
>>82502032
His friendship with Ollie is also reminiscent of domestic abuse so Ollie would just backhand him and tell him to get back in the truck anyway
>>82502153
Does that make all the super censorious right aren't actually conservative?
>>82502881
There's one guy who started shitposting about her once she showed up in the shitty animated movies. You can tell it's him because he tries to claim she's about being independent from Batman or something. It's pretty weird.
>>82501247
>>82502125
at that point Ollie had sold Queen Enterprises and donated most of the cash to charity after he found they were making munitions that were killing innocents
as has been said a few times in this thread: Try reading comics
>>82502648
Mike Sparks please go.
>>82502665
I'm sure next you'll post the software restriction reevaluation test as proof the F-35 will lose a dogfight to a F-16, conveniently ignoring the fact that it was a scripted setup and the F-16 had to have two drop tanks just to have enough fuel to finish the test. I'm also assuming you're going to ignore the fact that the F-35B is already a more capable aircraft than the Harrier it's replacing.
>>82502944
Then where does he get the money to replace the arrows?
>>82500365
http://archive.is/wCPni
>>82500527
kek
>>82502990
>most of the cash
>>82500484
Do you idiot actually think social justice and social justice warrior are the same thing?
SJW is a derrogatory term to make fun of people *think* they're fighting for equality and social justice by going on the Internet and being loud fucks whinning about videogames allowing you to kill women and other insignificant shit like that. The "warrior" is ironic.
>>82502905
Hal wasn't exactly a battered wife he fought back when it came to physical fighting and he would stand his ground too (can only think one incident where he didn't and that was the "I want my friend back" moment)
But yeah they did have an abusive relationship and Ollie was very dominating, it's not that acknowledge in the comics though, I can only think about Barry kind of alluding to it when he told Hal why he didn’t like Ollie.
>>82500365
I wonder if Ollie actually knows what that means or if he just heard it somewhere and thought "I fight for social justice, guess I'm an SJW."
>>82500440
See, this guy actually knows what SJW means, it's a pejorative term referring to people who are dogmatically committed to modern "social justice" causes. The sort of people who would be more concerned about this or that comic book character being dressed too sexily than anything actually affecting people's lives.
>>82500484
Yeah, except these days it's just used as an excuse for dipshits to get their knickers in a twist over minuscule shit, like the example I just gave.
I dunno pre-Grell Ollie was a bit of a SJW
Then again Barry and Wally were ultra conservatives too.
>>82500935
> break the law
> get jailed
> 'he a poor boy he dind do nuffin'
And this is why I never liked Green Arrow.
