How do you fix Cosmic DC?
>>82482244
Forget about the colored corps, they were pretty nice, but now everything is cosmic dc is focused on that shit.
Go back to the days of invasion! and Legion.
Bring back Lobo nd explore more planets, Cosmic DC doesnt need fixing, it needs to cameback and stop being about the fanfic johns did when he was 7 years old, i get that said fanfic means tons of toys, but i don't care about that, give me back aliens, xenophobia and more mythos, even if that means more imperiex.
By accepting it's death
>>82482415
Holy shit, nearly everything you said is the exact opposite of what they need to do
>>82482477
Sure faggot, we need more light war crap that goes nowhere
>>82482244
Nothing but GL sells and DC is apparently okay with it selling half of what it did six years ago now that they can push other properties.
>>82482524
No dickhead, as in DC needs to trash their cosmic altogether
Build off of Omega Men, LEGION could do well in the chaotic system they have currently going there.
Bring back real Lobo
They need to bring back the diversity it used to have (actual diversity as in a lot of different stuff and not just colour corps this or that) and they need to find a way to market it, which is the hard part of it all. Maybe they could use the Star Wars hype to their advantage?
I mean, the biggest issue at the moment is that most DCs readers don't seem to want to read anything that isn't Batman and co. So you have to be able to find new readers or convince Batfags that cosmic DC is cool if you want it to survive.
>>82482553
>Nothing but GL sells
Our Worlds at War was just 4 years before sinestro corps. So no.
What do you guys consider to be "Cosmic" ?
>>82482757
>t most DCs readers don't seem to want to read anything that isn't Batman and co
that's not the case, the problem is that Batman readers are loyal to the brand since they know it wont be cancelled. DC has lost the trust of the older fanbase so they just buy trades.
Less focus on the various corps, but don't just get rid of them like some idiots keep saying.
Other than that, I'm not sure. Maybe something like the Books of Magic miniseries, where it was just a tour of the various realms of magic in DC with different guides. Except space.
>>82482916
>Set outside or almost exclusively outside of earth
>deals with intergalactic politics, society or some other indication of a connected group of alien planets completely unlike our own
>has a generally "epic" story or at least is space sword and sorcery if not
>Most characters are not earthlings
>>82482916
Heroes/villains/teams who mainly operate in space or on a planet that is not Earth. Sometimes LoSH and people who primarily time travel (eg. Rip Hunter) too, it depends a little on the context.
>>82483013
>but don't just get rid of them like some idiots keep saying.
No one said that, the idea is to let them exist and get rid of the terrible focus on them.
>>82482845
And GL was their number 1 property 4 years ago. Things change pretty quick mate especially when reboots are involved.
Look at how Legion did, then Ravagers, now Omega Men.
You're living in the mid 00s if you think cosmic sells at all on the DC side now.
>>82482244
Stop using Darkseid
>>82483013
How about Magic in space?
>>82482579
Fuck You
>King
>DnA
>Cuckwing
>>82483201
No one said that, i'm saying that not only GL doesnt sell anymore, the fact that it was among their biggest selling comics for a time it means that ANY BOOK can sold right when is backed up. If it doesnt sell well know it doesnt mean it can't sell well tomorrow
>>82483191
>No one said that
Not in this thread at least, but it's been suggested before.
>>82483251
Maybe, but it doesn't quite fix the problem.
But I'd love to see what kind of space suit Zatanna gets put in, and Constantine trying to find some planet's closest thing to tobacco so he can get a goddamned smoke.
>>82483229
This.
>>82483359
No, it means putting a big name writer on it and having them tell an actual awesome story will propel a property to new heights
But as >>82482953 said there's an issue with doing this now
Need more good cosmic heroes, as of right now the only A-list space hero DC has is Green Lantern (maybe Martian Manhunter but he stays on Earth most of the time). So you really just need more books to generate interest in the cosmic scene. Something like an Adam Strange book, more things like Omega Men, bring back darkstars in some way. One of the reason Marvel cosmic sells is that there are established characters and factions that are set there, but the GLC's reemergence fucked a lot of that shit up. Something like a team book, like someone starts a new Justice League and they mostly deal with space shit.
>>82483517
What about a story about the Starheart? Like someone is trying to free all the magic stuck in the starheart or trying to cobtrol it.
>>82483918
Wouldn't it be weird to do anything with the Starheart without Alan Scott?
Or rather, with the condition he's in?
>>82482845
Is Our Worlds at War worth reading?
>>82482244
Don't let anyone use the New Gods ever again.
>>82484178
oi fuck off
To start with print the adventures of darksied
Just tales of darksied conquering planet after planet
It's not all that needs to happen but it's a start
>>82484129
If you endured Brightest day or Civil wat Our worlds at war are OK.
It's a good read for people that didnt read comics back, it's a good way to grasp how DC was before identity crisis.
Is not good, but can be enjoyed.
>>82483987
As it is now Alan Scott is stuck in Earth-2 powered by the green.
>>82482244
>Nerf the Lanterns for a bit. Not permanently, and not with the ferocity or finality of Emerald Night, but just make them not the focus for a little bit.
>In the abscence of the GLs, Darkseid starts expanding into the edges of the universe. No New Gods are seen for the entirety of this story arc, because they are overused and not really essential as more than cosmological forces.
>How we see the effect of this is pretty much an arms race between all the petty dictators, empires, Mongul, The Citadel, Rann, Thanagar, everybody is scrabbling to protect themselves or expand their dominion
>Get a couple of books following different heroes as they deal with it.
>Build up a more cohesive, expansive universe
>Reintroduce Lanterns and New Gods in a later sequel that is regarded as inferior, but leaves the cosmos more orderly and all round improved by the whole thing
>>82482244
I'd start by revamping the Color Corps and give them a solid characterization with good and bad points:
>Green Lanterns: intergalactic law enforcement and peacekeepers with a history of bad actions and a cold indifference
>Blue Lanterns: space faring knights errant and ronin limited in scope of action and bringing unforeseen consequences
>Yellow Lanterns: brutal totalitarians who will bring order to the galaxy unburdened by concepts of morality
>Star Sapphires: peace and harmony through brainwashing and the occasional bit of ultraviolence
>Red Lanterns: byronic figures driven by vengeance and tragedy unconcerned by the consequences or collateral damages in their efforts to redress injustice
>Indigo Tribe: mindwiped individuals forced to atone for their crimes through unending servitude
>Larfleeze is fine
A consistent tone and direction for the GL stuff to build a good base from which to branch out into other Cosmic titles.
>>82482244
>Insanely Twisted Shadow PLanet
Have Big Barda become a porn star and make a movie where she gets fucked by Superman.
I know it sounds crazy, but it's the only way.
>>82485002
I honestly thought you were dead, John Byrne.
This is more of a comment of the magic side of dc, but they don't have to tie everything together. I know its a way to boost sales, but I like it when there there is just weird standalone stuff happening in the background.
>>82483013
>Books of Magic but for space
I love this idea, but who would all be in it? Off the top of my head,
>Adam Strange
>Lobo
>Space Cabbie
>Space Ranger
>Chris KL-99
>Captain Comet
>The Omega Men
That's all I can think up.
Has DC ever had an era where they write stories about all their cosmic elements just interacting with each other on a galaxy-wide scale, without worrying about how it connects to Earth, like Marvel from "Annihilation" to "Thanos Imperative" because that was pretty cool, And I'd love to see Dc do something similar.
>>82482244
Three pitches for ya
1. Green Lanterns as originally intended meaning Space Cops. Yes treat it liking fucking Gotham Central in Space you can even get that cuck Greg Rucka to write it. Just stop with the inter ring warfare shit, and get back to doing some goddamn police work.
2. Action Comics takes Superman out of Metropolis for a year on an Epic Space Journey.
3. Starman.
>>82485461
Why is Greg Rucka a cuck now?
Three little words, my friends.
Space Canine Patrol.
>>82485558
With Police Chief Krypto, I assume?
>>82485461
>and get back to doing some goddamn police work.
This is a pretty important thing, i'm sick of reading ring warfare
>>82485533
>Why is Greg Rucka a cuck now?
He loves arabs having sex with his cuban gf
>>82485608
He what now?
I'm going to need a source on that.
>>82485558
I prefer calling them the Dog Stars.
>>82485637
>Source:his ass
>>82485787
Are you saying that anon is an Arab who got pegged by Rucka's Cuban gf?
>>82485874
Yeah, she was drilling for oil between his sand dunes.
>>82485776
>KRYPTOOOO
>KRYPTOOOOOO, THE SUPER DOG!
>KRYPTOOOO
>RUFF RUFF AND AWAY!
>KRYPTOOOOOO, THE SUPER DOG!
>>82485411
The thing is anon that Earth, Unlike in Marvel, is actually important. You got motherfuckers like Darkseid coming hy looking for the anti-life equation in our collective unconsciously and Martians messing with our metagenes out of jealously.
The Sandman: Overture had some pretty neat cosmc shit going down.
>>82486062
Why is Earth so important for the Anti-Life Equation?
>>82486260
Humans are the most edgy and self-loathing species in the universe
>>82486260
Because the Anti-Life Equation has been found in humans like Sonny Sumo. You would look in places where you've seen it before instead of places that you've never seen it.
>>82486158
I know. In fact it's weird how Morrison and Gaiman are always pretty on synch even when they don't work with each other. While Johns pretty much contradictes everyone else when it comes to gods. magic and story of the universe.
>>82486360
Probably because Morrison and Gaiman draw from the same well. Most of the British invasion brought a little more esoteric knowledge to comics.
>>82483337
>DnA
They are never ever getting back together!!!!
>>82484398
wait scratch that make it the starro chronicles same thing but with starro
>>82486566
Now you're talking. For some reason, New Gods don't seem cosmic to me. They feel above that, if that makes sense.
>>82486360
Have they ever worked together?
I've tried figuring out just what the difference between how Gaiman and Morrison write, but I can't put my finger on it.
Like, they both like to write meta-narrative, but beyond that I can't put words to it.
And Johns writes good stories, but it's nothing on a higher level like Gaiman and Morrison.
Darkseid War for instance. When Morrison says he's going to make the Justice League gods, he's talking about Apotheosis and Ontology.
When Johns does it, he makes them Omnipresent and Omnipotent.
Two different interpertations of a vague statement.
>>82483229
Yeah.
I instinctively avoid anything with Kirby's stuff in it written by anyone other than Kirby and Simonson.
>>82486635
Morrison writes epics, while Gaiman writes legends.
>>82486635
Johns is bit too hollywood, not like that's a bad thing but Morrison and Gaiman are more prose writers so it leads to more poetic language in the narrative.
>>82486859
What's the difference?
>>82486880
To me at least, Morrison's works feel like grand epic, the biggest event of your lifetime. Large scale events that will change you. After reading it you will simultaneously be glad that it's over and hunger for more.
Gaiman's work feels like a legend scrawled on ancient papyrus long ago, something said before and that will be said again. Not that there's anything wrong with that, for is repetition not what makes a legend a legend?
At least that's how it feels if I just write it out from my heart. I don't know if this makes sense at all.
>>82486635
Whatever happened to the caped was pretty much part of the bat-epic, and it was REALLY impresive how perfect it was to the themes of the run, if you took Last Rites and whatever happened to the caped crusader you couldnt have guessed the writters were in different continents and didnt really condinated it.
Johns is heavy into modern american sci fhe isnt the most cultured guy when it comes to history, literature, philosophy, religion and mythology.
While Gaiman is into psychology, fantasy and medieval religion, Morrison is big into mythology, metapsychical interactions and interactions between us the fiction.
>>82484938
They should just do away with the colored corps altogether.
>>82484938
God fuck you, we don't need more focus on them, it has been 10 years, let them rest
Restore Pre-Flashpoint continuity
>>82486062
Tis a problem yes
>>82487184
Nah, they just have to find them the right role to play cause right now they're just color coded lanterns.
>>82487350
Anon... they're never going to have a real role to play. They're a cliche that should have never happened.
>>82487381
I like how everyone knew since the start that someone will became a white lantern, it was pretty cringey
>>82485411
Rann Thanagar Holy war, elements of 52, some parts of LEGION
>>82485411
well there was The Rann-Thanagar War and all that stuff with Lady Styx. It just felt very directionless with no game plan aside from updating characters
>>82484480
The worst thing the popularity of marvel cosmic did was make intergalactic war seem like the only way to do cosmic stories and that fucking sucks.
Give me a travelogue about Adam strange touring the universe. Give me a Lantern Corps cop book. Give me an interesting Doctor Who rip off.
Just for the love of God no more asshole vs asshole intergalactic war books
what I would like to see them do is start small maybe use anthologies such as Mystery in Space or Strange Adventures
>>82485776
>that fucking tooth
Even as a kid I thought it looked extremely painful, they couldn't make it a bit smaller?
>>82482244
When I think "Marvel Cosmic," I think dealing with big deities and anthropomorphic personifications of things. I think Galactus and Celestials and dimension hopping being routine.
DC's Cosmic books being weak is really odd because that's the kind of stuff they are best at.
>>82489034
Well, in that case you're talking about New Gods and the Endless.
>>82488572
>extremely painful
for tooth
>>82489034
Indeed
>>82482244
I expand into the Multiverse. DC's Multiverse is so much more interesting, and thought-out than Marvel's. Though I don't know if I'd consider that cosmic per se, but it's a similar concept.
Basically what Morrison has been doing with stuff like Final Crisis and The Multiversity, I expand on that. Write more cosmic, multiversal shenanigans. Maybe bring back the Monitors, only not make them retarded like in Countdown.
>>82489034
>DC's Cosmic books being weak is really odd because that's the kind of stuff they are best at.
No it isn't.
DC's cosmic has always been absolute shit. It never grew beyond it's geeky ass golden aged buck rogers thing.
>>82492152
>Maybe bring back the Monitors
They are now called anti-mobius according to Johns
Give it to Marvel.
>>82482244
>How do you fix Cosmic DC?
Start having the write/art teams study the Kirby works. They can go on from there, but they'll need a good solid foundation of action and power.
>>82492182
>It never grew beyond it's geeky ass golden aged buck rogers thing.
How is that bad?
>>82492195
Honestly I always felt like Monitor and anti-monitor was pretty lame names.
>>82492195
Wait what? What the fuck is Geoff Johns doing?
>>82489122
Yes, exactly. And Morrison's work like Multiversity, too.
>>82492213
LOL
oh you're...serious?
awww
that's just..
awww
>>82492182
>DC's cosmic has always been absolute shit
Are you fucking shitting me? Or do you just think "Cosmic" means "happens in space?"
>>82492221
The anti-monitor is not a who. Is a IT. It was like being called "constant" or "event".
the names were good since they implied they are not just "characters" but actions in character forms the humanization of the anti-monitor was a terrible mistake.
>>82492182
>>82492235
>marveldrones
>in charge of having a single goddamn collective braincell
>>82492274
This.
>>82487783
The biggest selling cosmic thing in DC for litteral fucking decades was a giant fucking space war that aped marvels thing kinda hard.
One of the biggest most influential cosmic books dc ever had was a fucking war.
What kind of Cosmic? Like just space and galactic stuff people refer to with Marvel cosmic?
Establish some intergalactic empires. So far it's just single planets and the corps are the only ones that span the galaxy.
Make a Starfire comic where she returns and manages the space empire interacting with tons of other races.
Follow up the Omega Men on the Vega System.
Send the hawks to space to do a Thangar series.
Unfortunately you'll eventually have to cross the over but make it just the space series where the Vega story, Green Lanterns, Starfire and the Tamarans and the Hawks and Thanagars all intersect but no Earth.
>>82487783
>Give me a travelogue about Adam strange touring the universe
Those kinds of stories don't flesh out a universe. They just give you a series of isolated planets not a vast interconnected living universe.
Introduce a bunch more Lantern colors.
The Red-Orange corps could be a conceptual combination of the red and orange lanterns, being like angry pirates, for instance. You could do that with all the different combinations.
Give everyone in space a lantern ring. Have them collect, trade and fight over rings.
>>82492387
Massive intergalactic empires tend to be setting breaking and strip the story of interesting political angles.
Who would be the best character to fight space pirates, /co/?
>>82482757
>the diversity it used to have (actual diversity
You mean when all their space characters were either New Gods or just grungy looking gangsters you'd see in the Mos Eisley Cantina?
Yeah, great fucking diversity.
>>82488572
I feel like you look at him and you're not sure if he's in resigned and chronic pain, or that he's chillin and loves his big ass tooth that gets him lots of bitches on his home world.
>>82492776
Adam Strange with some of the omega men and maybe a weaker new god or two, some kind of space pirate busting squad
>>82492776
In the current timeline that would be the GLC, Darkstars, or LEGION/REBELS. A large chunk of DC Cosmic takes place in a future timeline.
>>82492235
are you having a stroke anon
>>82492531
i was going to say thats retarded but that last line really redeemed the idea
Maybe we could have a series where the Earth Lanterns who are on the honor guard (Guy and Kyle, right?) are a part of some sort of "veteran unit" that helps newer Lanterns with issues they can't really handle on their own? It'd still be Lantern based but they'd be able to travel around large parts of the galaxy, meet a lot of different characters and species, and the book could be divided up into 1-3 issue long stories that are somewhat easier to jump on/off than normal books.
>>82483337
>Cuckwing
No.
>>82482244
Not by making good stories I can fucking tell you that
>>82485411
rann than holy war had a lead up from a bunch of series
>>82484226
I'm not saying that because I dislike the characters.
>>82494500
that could work and you get to have stories about smaller characters that actually sell
>>82485297
>Voodoo
>Mikaal Tomas
>other alien characters who are technically Earth based but rarely get used
>characters from Treshold
>>82485297
gavyn
this could've been it but lemire was so bad on it
