miss us?
This show sucked but I liked it.
No.
No go away you weeb shit
>>82439619
but /co/ and /a/ are literally the same autism
better than this new shitno srsly
>>82439619
>muh weeb shit
do people even remember what weeb actually means?
>>82439797
People used to, but everything changed when the Reddit Nation attacked.
>>82439574
PPGZ looked cute and had some nice music.
I liked it.
>>82439574
WOAH WOAH YEAH SUNSHINE POWAH!Despise its flaws, I liked this show.
>>82440064
Only the Moot, master of all forms of faggotry, could stop it, but when the chan needed him most, he vanished.
>>82440821
So moot has to learn all the four forms of shitposting?
>>82441107
>them mindbreak faces on the right
Why didn't anyone like this style? It's good.
>>82441314
go away you foot fetish faggot.
>>82441249
is there a 'vanilla-esque' mind break doujin in the wild? where the girl voluntarily submits to hypnosis or whatever because the guy is really into it?
it would hit all the right spots for my dick
Someone want to see more lolicon PPG than a cartoon is so lame.This.... is....disgusting.
>>82439619
It only hurts in the beginning.
>>82441372
The art style is good indeed, but not the story
>>82442626
There are only 2 seasons, and they still haven't gotten the direction right in the first season
>>82441372
The style never really clicked for me
>>82441372
It's only good when in 2D. 3D models was bad as fuck for this. And it had nuPPG teir shit writing as well. Not as bad, but close.
As it stands: PPG, PPGZ, PPGD, PPG Fusion, Dance Pants PPG, nuPPG. You are objectivity wrong otherwise.
>>82439797
4chan is the graveyard of words. Any word that gets popular here will sooner or later lose all meaning (e.g. literally everything is autistic, but nobody can explain what it means).
>>82439632
This, there's no difference between /a/ and /co/ stuff, you're pretty much just a racist if you shout weeb and other nonsense yet come here.
It's all the same shit being inspired by each other back and forth.
>>82445255
>It's all the same shit
So true
>>82439574
>new season/reboot/sequel never
>>82440821
>>82441104
What in the fuck is a moot?
>>82445588
It was something before your time, anon.
>>82445588
The sad part is that people will actually ask this unironically
The japaese Buttercup/kaoru matsubara was my favority, also, because I have a Tomboy fetish
Too bad there is like just 4 good doujins and just 1 doujin of Kaoru.
>>82445836
>Too bad there is like just 4 good doujins and just 1 doujin of Kaoru
Links please. I need more Kaoru in my life.
>>82446016
http://exhentai.org/g/266284/b15d4dd8bc/
>>82439574
>The once reviled PPG anime is now better liked.
>All because the reboot is absolute dogshit.
I love it when things like this happen. People always think that it can not get any worse, but it can. And, in the case of Powerpuff Girls, it DID!
>>82446064
>>82446073
Any link so I can download PPGZ?
I dont think is in crunchyroll
>>82439776
No it wasn't. The beginning showed promise and the end was awesome. Most of the show was people learning to like who they are instead of trying to be different, except a few weeks later they were back at it again. Not to mention the fights could have been good if anyone looked like they took actual damage beyond "I'm dirty and my clothes are roughed up". The music was amazing, but the show isn't remarkable. The new show can be annoying, and flat with their characterization, but even it's side characters are more developed that the main characters of PPGZ. The episodes so far have been very different from each other unlike the completely formulaic PPGZ. I watched every episode of PPGZ and liked it, but you sir or ma'am have shit taste.
>>82446064
More PPGZ doujins please.
>>82446676
http://exhentai.org/g/495338/2d450639dc/
>>82446338
At least PPGZ has adequate production values.
>>82446338
Well that's certainly a unique perspective.
MEANWHILE
>>82439574
Honestly? Yeah, a little.
Don't get me wrong, your show was not very good. But you TIRED, at least. There was clear effort put into making something at least mildly entertaining.
What we've got now isn't even putting out that level of effort. Like it can't even be bothered to try because the people making it just straight-up don't give a flying fuck.
>>82447979
Damn i thought i would never say this but i prefer PPG Anime over this shit.
>>82448114
Why?
>>82446064
>>82449368
>>82449384
Buttercup always looks best in alternative art. Whether it be anime, that fan online manga, or that cross over video game, she always comes out looking the best.
>>82447979
Was this actually from the show?
Not a shitty fan animation, but a real clip?
>>82449864
looks adorable in the original as well
>>82450034
I am sad to have to confirm this but, yes, CN actually thought this was a good idea
The OPs and EDs were GOAT tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ruPVcVo0c
They're oddly cheery and are good pickmeups when I'm feeling lazy and bummed out.
The show wasn't perfect and the villian and plot retellings were often shit but the show itself was still a fun watch and the mahou shoujo take let them try different angles with the characters and show. It wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be.
Only thing you should be wary of is watching the dub because it is shitastic.BlueberryBlackberryRaspberryStrawberry
>>82450034
Were you living under a rock or something? The twerking thing is real and caused a lot of drama.
>>82450069
That's a given. But, it's more even in the original, because the designs are more simpler.
>>82450034
Yes, though for whatever reason no one cares about the context, which I feels makes it a lot less of a big deal than people keep making it.
>>82449864
>>82450069
>>82450160
See, this is >>82450260 what I'm talking about?
>>82450148
Also I was fucking sold in the pilot the moment the vests showed up in the transformation sequences. Especially when they did shit like snapping their fingers to materialise parts of the vest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6jTGLNH_pw
Seriously, the vests are fucking awesome and I don't know why. Whoever designed their costumes needs a medal or three.
>>82449864
>>82450069
>>82450160
>>82450358
See?! Again, it's Buttercup >>82450358. The eyes always get's drawn to her. She's the eye catcher.
>>82450360
The music is really unusual for a transformation sequence.
>>82450360
>>82450460
the sequences and costumes really are nice.I like the skirts too
>>82450360
God, everything makes me want to see this show, but every time I try it never keeps my interest.
>>82450460
I think it's supposed to be like how they have different motifs in the original's theme song.
>>82450460
I guess it's actually supposed to be their theme songs or something.
>>82450502
I watched the show as it aired so one episode a week seemed like the right pace for me.
>>82450418
Also, I'd like to bring up that ending where they're all like fucking buff and shit. Again, it works to Buttercup's advantage.
Also, dat Sedusa.
Best trapshttp://gogoanime.io/demashitaa-powerpuff-girls-z-episode-42
Kaoru is best girl
>>82439574
i laughed my ass of in the first episode just because how bad it was
>>82450360
That'd be Miho Shimogasa. She's Sailor Moon alum, currently working on Kaitou Joker.
Though that's a standard manga adaption so she had less leeway with the designs.
>>82450502
>>82450525
I mean this is the kind of music I've heard before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRv6KBqSpqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1xAPQgGZ0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF1ek8uzHZo
>>82450675
Agreed.
I like Blossom's design the best but Kaoru still edges her out in my heart.
>>82450630
>>82450651
>Boomerang
You are bullshitting me
>>82449384
>Bellum is blonde..
>>82450767
Yeah, I like how "pop" and "disco" it is. Especially Buttercup's which reminds me of early Daft Punk.
>>82441107
>hypnosis picture
muh dick
The PPGZ girls reminds me of the Saber Marionette J girls
>>82450148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC9LT3NtD1I&nohtml5=False
not posting the full thing.
>>82451986
I wanted the animated ED too.
The ED animation sequences are also good and complement the song and featured PPGZ very well.
Can't say no to the cast dressing up in fancy outfits.
>>82439574
i dont know why you guys complain so much, the target demographic loves the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjP9sQi1C0
>>82452010
got me there.
anyone remember the girls trying to be Ken's mom?
I fucking love PPGZ
the japanese designs make me wish the reboot had been an action cartoon instead of a trashy comedy but action toons are dead.
>>82441720
http://www.tsumino.com/Book/Info/87/1/saimin-note-de-yaritai-houdai-zettai-fukujuu-sex
Your dick is welcome
>>82451457
Source?
Official DVD art
>>82446707
>>82446064
Can't get past the panda.
>>82456384
I don't recall.
>>82456483
I can but not at work. Hope this thing is still alive some 8 hours from now When I get home
http://ppgcom.gooside.com/ppgz/ppgzop2/index.html
>>82452150
The opinion of a bunch of mentally unstable people is irrelevant to my desire to talk shit.
>>82456823
Yeah, I'm never finding that again.
>>82439574
I forget that you even exist.
>>82439619
>weeb
Westaboo.
Reminder that Craig was totally okay with the anime and his only request for it was for it "to be different than his cartoon".
>>82450360
>That Buttercup's transformation song
It remind me of WipeOut Fury soundtrack.
>>82459595
Well, that was hardly his only request.
Apparently, if he hadn't said anything, the show wouldn't have even had the Professor.
>>82441372
It was good in stills, but it was literally nauseating in motion. I felt like puking.
Anyone have that picture with all the proto designs on it?
>>82459980
I like Hammer Pants Blossom and Buttercup, as well as the Big Jacket versions of them
>>82459980
>>82460298
>>82460312
>>82460325
>>82460312
>>82459980
>>82459474
So that's where the kimono variants came from.
>>82460342
>>82459980
Makoto Buttercup, fuck yah.
>>82460364
>>82460377
>>82460395
>>82459980
Oh man the scarf designs are totally rad
>>82460395
> Super Saiyan RRBs
> Mfw
>>82459595
>>82459692
Here's an interview Craig did concerning PPGZ
NRAMA: One last thing. There’s this show in Japan called Damashita! Power Puff Girls Z. What is your involvement in that?
CM: That got pitched to me a few years ago. What happened is in Japan they wouldn’t air our version of Powerpuff Girls on their network television because it wasn’t produced in an Asian country. At the same time, the Girls were airing on satellite TV over there and it was a hit. So a lot of the broadcasters were coming to us saying this could be a real profit center for us, but for us to get it on TV Tokyo or any other network, we would have to produce it here. So we would like to produce an anime version of the Puffs. What do you think about that?
So I thought, well, Batman has been reinterpreted about a million times, and they are all viable versions of Batman. As long as they stayed true to the heart and soul of the show, I would be fine with it. So a lot of studios came up with their own versions and pitched them to us. So I met with them, and with Damishita I only had to make a few basic notes. From there, I really didn’t have that much else to do with the construction of it.
>>82461798
NRAMA: This is all interesting, being you did a lot of the real animation of Powerpuff Girls in Rough Draft Korea. Last I checked, that was part of Asia.
CM: Yes. What I actually was saying is it actually had to have some sort of Japanese connection. That’s the only way you can air a cartoon on a network in Japan. That’s the way it was presented to me.
Also, they wanted to age it up a little bit. Over that I told them that it still had to be a kids show. It could not be adult. It could not be sexual. Also, the first time they presented it to me, Professor Utonium wasn’t in it, and I told them that wasn’t going to happen. They had to have a father. They had to put that character in it. You can’t have the Girls without the Professor.
That’s an important point of the show. The Girls have tons of power, but they still have a parental authority. So they kind of put the Professor in it. I’ve seen some of the episodes and I have to admit it’s kind of surreal looking at it. It’s like it’s something I’m incredibly familiar with, but at the same time I just don’t have an idea of what’s going to happen next.
NRAMA: And it’s not available in the States in any way, right?
CM: No. It hasn’t. I understand there are plans for it. It’s already aired in Japan and there are DVDs out. In fact, I just got a three-DVD boxed set. They really are on top of it that way. It seems there is a real diehard anime fan base who have embraced it.
So I would love for it ultimately to be shown here. I don’t know if there are any plans for that yet.
>>82446064
This one is honestly one of the best oneselection out there. Unless someone can provide links to a better one than this, this one is still the best.
>/co/ finally realizes PPGZ wasn't that bad now that there's an even greater evil
>>82461815
> So I would love for it ultimately to be shown here.
> Instead CN made Memepuff Girls instead of bringing the (butchered, but still valuable) Dubbed version of PPGZ on their channel.
Fuck everything man, that man just cannot win anymore.
>>82461997
Why did people think PPGZ is bad?
>>82461798
>What happened is in Japan they wouldn’t air our version of Powerpuff Girls on their network television because it wasn’t produced in an Asian country.
>>82460364
Ms.Keane is cute.........CUTE!!!
>>82461798
Heart and soul of the PPG is obivously the Professor and his goals...
>>82456474
Would want this
>>82461798
>>82461815
>Wanting the series to stay somewhat true to the original while still allowing the new creators to have some creative room
>Willing to put up with all kinds of weird Japanese Network bullshit so that he could help the new team with their ideas
>Wanting to keep the Professor in it because he genuinely cares about the importance of family connections
God, Craig is just such a fucking bro.
Has he said anything about NuPPG other than that thing with the side-views looking awkward?
Is the artbook available anywhere?
>>82462215
>>82446338 does a good job of saying why. Not really bad, just kind of boring, outside of the novelty.
>>82463129
I just get the impression that it's easily better than either of the American ones. They have such piss poor aesthetics.
>>82439574
Not going to lie, I actually really liked their designs in the anime.
I don't remember ever watching it though, I'm sure it was garbage.
>>82449384
Why the fuck does the new show not have miss Bellum?
>no reboot of ppgz with the current sailor moon art
just end my life already
What does Craig think?
>>82463484
Out-of-Universe: The reason given is that she doesn't fit the message they're trying to have with the series, so interpret that as you will. They add that it didn't fit that she was smart, capable, and "supposedly" beautiful, but she never went higher than the Mayor's assistant.
In-Universe: Forced vacation days that add up to about 2 years
>>82463690
Not that anon but basically it panders to not smart, fat and not good looking womyn?
>>82462254
Nippon pride.
>>82463690
>They add that it didn't fit that she was smart, capable, and "supposedly" beautiful, but she never went higher than the Mayor's assistant.
They didn't even have anything to do with the original series so why are they complaining? Nobody ever had a problem with her before but because she triggers some idiots they removed her? Just because she was more capable but decided to stay an assistant how fucking stupid can you get just because you are capable of more doesn't mean everybody would choose to move up? And what message are they trying to send with the PPG twerking.
>>82462369
Well, there was pic related.
He apparently doesn't even considers nuPPG a true PPG, if so than I objectively don't blame him.
>>82463736
>>82463839
Keep in mind, these are the same people who said an episode was an analogy to trans people, when apparently the episode was never supposed to be anything like that, so their wordis questionable.
They have a voice, and the people working on it know how to write her role, judging from the few scenes she did show in, so it doesn't make sense.
No but seriously, they made a bunch of Kindergarten-aged girls start twerking. I'm surprised their studio hasn't been burned down yet. Anyone issued any apologies or get fired yet?
>>82461798
>>82461815
Man, if Craig wasn't on the ball about making PPGZ actually resemble PPG, it would've been some sort of awful clusterfuck like nuPPG.
Sounds like PPGZ was just clearly a low-effort cash grab instead of an actual serious attempt at a retelling/reboot.And even then, PPGZ did so many things wrong.
>>82464435
Come on, I doubt anyone that does have the main man/woman in charge of their creation, it's always doomed to be shit (nuPPG withstanding, as there's your prime example). Sonic Boom anyone?
The fact they did more RIGHT afterwards proves it's a ok show. nuPPG doesn't give a shit and is and forever will be shit because of it.
>>82464729
I meant that Craig was probably the reason PPGZ didn't turn out to be unrecognisable trash. It's good that he managed to steer them in the right direction so that it turned out alright.
>>82464772
Yeah, you're right, although I was mostly replying to that:
> Sounds like PPGZ was just clearly a low-effort cash grab instead of an actual serious attempt at a retelling/reboot.
Bit. And besides, even if Craig's involvement wasn't there to guide the show to a better direction, it still would have been better than nuPPG period, Japan has better standards even for their lesser shows.
>>82464832
I meant that it seems like it was the intent from the Japanese execs from the start.
>Japan wants an easy half-assed cash grab, asks Craig for permission and help
>Craig says okay
>Japan makes pitches
>Craig says wait wait wait what are you doing
>PPGZ is released
Given the pre-production designs and the list of changes Craig had to make them implement, I feel like it could've been way worse. Just because it's made in Japan doesn't mean it's automatically good.
>>82464900
Compared to the shit tier art the US version has, it's automatically good.
>>82439574
Why did this show make Blossom the hyperactive ditz and Bubbles the calm smart one?
>>82464917
Ehh. I never liked the "It could be shittier, so it's good" value judgements. Hard to argue your case of "It's actually good on its own" when all you're saying in its defense is "At least it's not shittier".
The show doesn't need to put down others in order to stand on its own.
>>82441107
Hypnofags kill yourselves, tia
>>82452150
but the people in the video didn't like it
>>82463859
>even Craig's lego persona has a tired, disheveled look to it
it's a cry for help
>>82465172
No ordinary and happy man could look that miserable in such close proximity to two pairs of big ass titties?
>>82462353
Be afraid.
Be VERY afraid
>>82462353
I hate how stretched out the picture is on that cover. There's gotta be a better way to edit it in.
>>82439574
I enjoyed this about as equally as the original and to this day, I still don't understand why it even gets all of the hate it does.
Who's the best PPGZ girl?
>>82465826
This. PPGZ had some good episodes (although most of them were pretty boring sometimes). It was nice to see the PPG in a different way.Also it had lolis, so that's a bonus for me.
>>82466671
Kaoru desu.
>>82465826
blahblahblah anime sucks blahblahblah
That's the generic complaint after people watch half of the admittedly silly pilot.
Then there are the legitimate complaints like how the girls and the Professor are no longer related, Mojo too, etc.
That and I think that a lot of the haters watched the dub which is extra bad.
>>82441670
>>82445588
>>82466784
>Then there are the legitimate complaints like how the girls and the Professor are no longer related, Mojo too, etc.
Those complaints are silly. This show was meant to be it's own thing and not a direct copy.
>>82466913
Those complaints aren't silly at all, a big part of the series is how sisterly the girls are and how parental the Professor is, if that isn't there in the slightest, it simply isn't Powerpuff Girls.
>>82439797
>weeb
>troll
>cuck
Par for the course, I think.
>>82445588
newfag detected
This happened js desu
>>82444080
>PPGD
Kill yourself
>>82446838
Not really. It has just as many animation errors
>>82463859
>He apparently doesn't even considers nuPPG a true PPG
Source?
>>82464832
>Japan has better standards even for their lesser shows.
>>82464900
>>82464942
Again, give me any example of Japan making a shit designed show as bad as something in the States. I'm not trying to judge, but you sound like your just trying to have a reason to hate on PPGZ specifically, since there isn't any real way to know how "fucked up" PPGZ would have been without Craig's advice. As far as I'm considered, PPGZ, with or without Craig, would have shit on nuPPG period, and on it's own, would have been nothing more than Sailor Moon; PPG edition. Which is already what it is to some degree.
>>82469354
? Why you mad?
>>82469552
Can't you read? Putting "PPG" in quotations means something.
>>82469606
Prove?
>>82456483
http://srv6.filesdownloader.com/o.php?u=http://exhentai.org
>>82470498
Because it's not the same show retard
>>82470498
Prove what?
>>82471011
Which post are you quoting from?
>>82471035
> Japan has better standards even for their lesser shows.
>>82471781
Not him, but are you being serious here? The production values in anime are way higher than in almost every American show, to say nothing of bottom-of-the-barrel productions like PPG.
These screenshots are from 2002's Ojamajo Doremi Dokkaan!, a morning show for girls. At least visually speaking I would regard it as a lesser show.
![[glass shattering].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VOzCmSr.jpg "[glass shattering].jpg")
>>82472248
>he's serious
>>82472248
And also here is Ushinawareta Mirai wo Motomete, a late night show from a year or two ago. It's a very poor looking show by late night standards, and these shots are from the first episode.
>>82439574
It's a shame only PPG got an anime adaptation. I would have loved to see KND or something get that treatment, it would probably look great.
>>82472442
>>82472292
If you're referring to my post and not who I was replying to, yes I am of course being completely serious.
>>82473522
>>82449368
Fucking phwoooar.
What episode was this? I need to wank this boner off.
>>82476192
>>82464935
Bubbles was still the ditz but she was an ojou-sama. Blossom was really just a genki nerd in the vain of other leader types in Majou Shojou groups like PreCure.
>>82472326
So are you saying this is good?
>>82472248
>>82472326
You misunderstood who's what here. I didn't say >>82469606, I said the exact opposite >>82464832, multiple times. Read more before posting, that's really annoying when you're accused for something you didn't fucking say.
And Magical DoReMi is basically my example in the first place, shows that are "lesser shows" that STILL shit's on (meaning much better than) 'Merica's shitastic memefest they call cartoon shows.
>>82478380
It's poor by late night anime standards, but compared to PPG it looks incredible.
>>82478456
How is DoReMi a "lesser" show? Also shit like http://youtube.com/watch?v=YZtvS_HGPMk and pic related still happens in modern anime.
>>82478456
I did read and could hardly make sense of the confusing clusterfuck of replies.
>>82472248
>The production values in anime are way higher than in almost every American show,
Not even close especially since PPGZ was animated by fucking Toei. PPG had a style that made use of its limited budget by hearkening back to shows of the 60's which made the show standout from other American produced shows at the time. PPGZ really didn't look good at all outside the transformation sequences and it doesn't help that the show was a huge flop and budget was allocated to other shows at the time.
>>82478674
Yeah and even the transformation sequences had animation errors that they didn't fix till much later in the show
>>82478674
>Not even close
Pic related.
PPGZ is a Japanese show based on an American property, and I never said it looked amazing. But it does look massively better than PPG.
>>82478846
That's suppose to look good? Seriously?
>>82478940
Yes, seriously. You're just pretending it doesn't because you know it completely blows away the likes of SU, AT, GF, PPG and Gumball.
>>82478982
>Simplistic backgrounds + computer made filters
>good
Ok. SU's backgrounds blow all of those away btw.
>>82472248
>>82472326
>It's a /a/ vs. /co/ episode
>>82478982
>>82478846
>Wants to prove that PPGZ looks good
>shows screenshots from other anime
Not sure what you're trying to prove especially since none of that shit is even from the same studio that animated PPGZ. Pic related is from the studio that animated PPGZ and how 90% of anime look like.
>>82479064
>U's backgrounds blow all of those away btw.
No, they don't.
>>82479095
>Wants to prove that PPGZ looks good
>shows screenshots from other anime
Except I wasn't trying to prove PPGZ looks good, so I don't know what you're talking about here.
>Pic related is from the studio that animated PPGZ and how 90% of anime look like.
That's not even representative of 1% of anime.
>>82479214
>That's not even representative of 1% of anime.
Not even /a/ is this stupid. Hell I'm not even sure you're from /a/.
>>82479214
I don't think it's really fair to compare, when a lot of the times, for anime, the stills are amazing, but the animation or the character design, themselves, suffer from the effort took into them.
But I don't know what I'm talking about.
>>82479601
It's not representative of anime. And what is that webm supposed to argue?
>>82479672
Both the animation and character design in anime are way beyond American TV animation. And as far as movies go, about the only advantage Disney for example has it that the animation is perfectly smooth.
>>82479758
The fact that you don't even know is proof enough that you're a shitposter,
>>82479808
So you can't explain what the webm is supposed to argue? Then why did you post it?
>>82479832
>Pretends to be an expert on animation
>doesn't even know the problem with that webm
Keep it coming.
>>82479758
I'd like to interject for a moment that this is the shittiest character design I have seen in years.
>>82479875
You're the one who posted it, but can't explain what significance it's supposed to have. Don't try to project your problems onto me.
>>82479877
Ok.
I honestly don't understand how anybody can say that the western cartoon industry is in any better shape than the anime industry.
If you don't like anime or Japanese, that's one thing; but in the age of nuPPG and SJWs and Cal-Arts style and unshaded, saturated, noodle-limbed Flash cartoons it doesn't make any sense.
>>82479959
>I honestly don't understand how anybody can say that the western cartoon industry is in any better shape than the anime industry.
The Anime industry has stagnated heavily within the last decade that people by in large don't look to it to innovation like they do in the 90's and early 00's.
>>82479939
>still nothing
I guess I shouldn't have expected any better.
>>82480042
This is a myth. You are just repeating something you heard somewhere from people who were just repeating something they heard somewhere from someone, and so on.
Very few Westerners watch anime anymore beyond a couple of shows here and there, but they act like they know all about it.
>>82480079
Again: YOU posted the webm and YOU cannot explain what you mean by it. This is fact.
This show was so damn cute. I wish the story was a little better.
>>82479959
Western industry has a thriving creator driven market that keeps growing. Anime has stagnated to the point that you're watching three of the same fucking shows every season.
>>82449368
I don't remember that in the dub version
>>82480127
Here's a (you) just because I pity you at this point.
>>82480858
>Western industry has a thriving creator driven market that keeps growing.
It's nowhere near as creator-driven as anime.
>anime has stagnated
Meme. You don't know what you're talking about.
>you're watching three of the same fucking shows every season.
There can be as many as 50 new half hour long shows in a season, and anime is subject to trends like anything else. So there can be shows that are very similar to each other.
You complainers never so much as acknowledge the existence of shows like Joker Game, Shouwa Genroku, Perfect Insider, Erased and Concrete Revolutio. Probably because you've never heard of them (because you don't actually watch anime).
>>82480929
YOU posted the webm and YOU cannot explain what you mean by it. This is fact.
>>82481060
>anime
>creator driven
KEK
>>82481060
>It's nowhere near as creator-driven as anime.
This is proof enough that you don't know what you're talking about. Anime is pushed and manufactured by a committee that's own by corporation not a single creator which is why we get a shit load of adaptations than originals. It's the very opposite of creator driven.
>You complainers never so much as acknowledge the existence of shows like Joker Game, Shouwa Genroku, Perfect Insider, Erased and Concrete Revolutio.
You listed 5 shows out of 50 that gets made per seasons three of which are shit. Congrats.
>>82481060
Do you even know what creator driven is? It sure as fuck ain't this >>82480858
>>82481184
Large portions of TV anime are adapted from manga and light novels which are authored by one or two people who have full rights over their work and can participate in or interfere with the production of the anime.
Television networks aren't really involved in anime production (in the case of late night anime, i.e. most of today's anime, they often don't do anything except sell a timeslot), and everything I've ever read suggests that production committees also don't really interfere in anime production.
>>82481286
See above.
>You listed 5 shows out of 50 that gets made per seasons three of which are shit.
I didn't list 5 out of anything. Those shows didn't/don't air during the same season, and I said that an anime season can have up to 50 shows. I didn't say they always do, nor did I mention any specific season.
>>82446142kissanime
That's all I'll say.
>>82481388
>and can participate in or interfere with the production of the anime.
Wrong. They only have rights to their own work not what gets adapted, the anime is in the hands of the committee and sponsors involved not the creator (see the case where the director of Bokurano hated the tone of the manga and decided to change against the creator's wishes) and that's still not creator driven since you're adaptating an existing property through a business negotiation all the mangaka does is sign off while the committee does whatever the hell they want with the property.
>Television networks aren't really involved in anime production
Wrong again. The stations in which the anime is broadcast on is always listed on the committee because that's where broadcast expenses come through and they can interfere if they feel content is too racy or to remove an episode on air (Osomatsu-san's 1st and 3rd episodes were pulled/ heavily altered due to copyright violation so they can no longer air on TV)
>>82481606
There may be different kinds of contracts but I have heard of instances of manga artists working with the anime producers, interfering with the production (for better or worse), or signing off on something the anime producers want to do. Authors have a lot of control over their works in Japan.
>that's still not creator driven since you're adaptating an existing property
I classify it as creator-driven, and there's not necessarily a substantial difference between a director adapting a manga and adapting a screenplay someone wrote.
And there's more to the process than just the story you're working with. For example, the director of Grimgar wrote all the scripts himself (based on a light novel) and personally directed the voice acting and even did a bit of key animation IIRC. Hayao Miyazaki also excercised a lot of control over Future Boy Conan (you can just see at a glance that it's his work, even down to the mechanical designs). Then there's people like Masaaki Yuasa and projects like Space Dandy.
>Wrong again.
I mean they don't get involved in the actual production of the anime, like the writing or what the characters should look like or how the episodes should be ordered. Obviously networks can pull episodes off the air, or may be forced to. That should go without saying so I don't know why you're bringing it up.
My understanding of late night anime production is that the network may be on the production committee, but when they aren't they are simply selling a timeslot to the production committee (as they would to infomercials) and that's it. Daytime anime is another story.
oh my god you're all retarded
At least we all can agree that Anime is better than Western Animation doesn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D35VDIfBF5Y
>>82482413
Somewhat but everything Japan has done with animation the west has done a million times better with cinema.
>>82482784
True, although that only applies to the amount of money earned
>>82482413
Anime tricks you because they spend all their budget on a handful of scenes (usually the fights) and those are the things that stick out in your memory.
80% of each show can barely even be called animation, more like clip shows with speed lines.
>>82482983
Not in all cases. There are just with only 12 that look pretty good all the time. Usually the shows that look like garbage are long running shows like for example Naruto or OP.
>>82483190
Denpa Kyoushi's production quality sucked ass, yet it's a two-cour popular show.
One of /a/'s favourite "high quality" fap shows, Monster Musume, is basically 90% clip show with the camera jiggling around while doing pans on frame equivalents of pin-up posters. That was only one-cour.
>>82482784
Live action hasn't done everything anime has done, let alone in the same way. They're also different artforms.
>>82482983
It's less a matter of budget and more a matter of how to allocate your time and animators. Putting a lot of effort into important scenes and taking it easier with less importance scenes is just the smart thing to do. Otherwise you just end up with consistent mediocrity.
But there's a lot of instances where unimportant scenes have above average animation, or a whole episode has above average animation even though it isn't really important. It depends on the animators.
>80% of each show can barely even be called animation, more like clip shows with speed lines.
This is a myth.
>>82483350
One and two cour shows can have bad or mediocre production quality too. Though Denpa Kyoushi was a daytime show and those tend to have lower quality than late night ones.
Monster Musume has less animation because many of the character designs are very complex.
>>82483363
>Live action hasn't done everything anime has done, let alone in the same way.
The themes people praise Anime for having explored have been done in film in a much better way.
>>82483363
>This is a myth.
It's true though.
I'm not the guy who said it but I've sat through enough frame-by-frames to tell you that a lot of shows, regardless of quality or budget or popularity, have a shitton of stationary scenes where the only "animation" that occurs is the camera doing linear movements across short distances.
>scene of character talking
>headshot
>camera moves upward by 50 pixels over 15 seconds
>camera switches to second character
>repeat
>this character does a 3-frame body turn action
>camera switches to overhead angle
>room rotates 30 degrees over the next 10 seconds
etc. etc.
There are a lot of tricks employed to save time and effort. Not saying that using them automatically makes the show low-quality but saying that shows don't employ these tricks a majority of the time is incorrect. People just notice the tricks more in western animation because of the perceived lack of detail or just the fact that Flash animation makes it extra obvious.
>>82483721
If you just want to "explore themes" then you don't need a visual medium for that, and why should all fiction even be about "exploring themes"?
And like I said, live action and anime are different artforms. You could do a shot-for-shot remake of K-On with actors and it wouldn't be the same thing anymore.
>>82483781
>It's true though.
No, it isn't. It's a myth.
>camera moves upward by 50 pixels over 15 seconds
>room rotates 30 degrees over the next 10 seconds
Too long.
>There are a lot of tricks employed to save time and effort.
Nobody said those techniques don't exist, but their existence is not the same thing as:
>80% of each show can barely even be called animation, more like clip shows with speed lines.
Which is what we are actually talking about here.
>>82483974
You're right.
It's more like 90%.
>>82484072
No. It's a myth. You just think it isn't because it's repeated so often that it seems like a fact. But it is, in fact, a myth.
