I would say it's the best rendition of the story out there
A hotly contested category to be sure.
>>82405988
>dat music.
10/10
Disney shouldn't have taken it off YouTube.
This is the first copy I found online for the lazy.
videoizle.co
/video/40169/john-henry-part-1-of-2
inb4 people let their racism get in the way of enjoying a good cartoon.
>>82405988
I'd say it's the only rendition of the story I've ever heard.
>>82405988
Man, I always liked this story. Its a prime example of the human spirit. Its something so basic anyone can appreciate it. Shame it'd just get crucified for being "racist" if it ever got brought up again.
>>82406157
It would probably be praised but heavily hated on 4chan
>>82406157
>Shame it'd just get crucified for being "racist" if it ever got brought up again.
Except no it wouldn't.
Who the fuck thinks the story of John fucking Henry is racist?
Whoever they are, they can go fuck themselves.
He was one of my first role models.
>>82406252
Tumblr would probably hate it because literally everything is racist. /pol/ would hate it because black people. /co/ would like it until it got popular. And the mainstream would probably condemn it because the only portrayal of black people they want is Beyonce-tier "empowerment," because who better to look up to than famous rich people who have nothing in common with you except skin color (assuming you're black). Historically accurate, uplifting, and interesting pieces of art are not really appreciated.
>>82406379
literally nobody, he's still a folk hero in our community. anon is just presenting a paranoid theoretical in which everyone calls a thing racist because he can't stop thinking about how much he wants to argue with people on tumblr online
>>82406379
>>82406330
It reduces the worth of a black man to how much work he can accomplish on a railroad. Sounds pretty fucking racist to me.I don't believe that at all, but I guarantee you'd see that on some shitty tumblr blog or Salon.com if this was released today.
Every time I see a still or am reminded it exists the song instantly pops into my head. So fucking catchy.
>>82405988
its great and there is nuffin raycis bout this.
i'm sure black people will like this.
>>82406157
>>82406391
this is on the same level as the people who "I bet this would trigger the feminists if it were made today" when discussing videos that have literally nothing to do with feminism
Please don't stir that pot man. It's kinda pathetic.
>>82406113
They threw it on Netflix bundled with a lot of their other short fims
>>82406458
>>82406157
You guys make it sound like people don't know who John Henry is.
Don't Murrican kids learn about him at the same time as Paul Bunyan and Johnny Appleseed?
I enjoyed the Gravity Falls version.
>>82406455
>>82406480
Okay; that's been laid to rest. Now can we talk about the cartoon or at least how hot John's wife is?
>>82406458
>Superman reduces the worth of a Kryptonian to how many people he can save
That's stupid, anon. No one would say that and you trying to emulate stupid people by coming up with stupid ideas is not a good thing to do.
>>82406526
John is hotter.
>>82406513
Yeah but no one's really read those stories since they were kids. I don't even remember the Johnny Appleseed story, but I recognize the name.
>>82406526
She is damn cute.
>>82406540
>No one would say that
You naive soul.
>>82406555
Planted Appleseeds while walking all over America.
I think he killed a bear.
>there are people ITT who don't get his name
>>82406606
That's why I've always really liked him. I liked how they combined this other American myth with the Superman story.
>>82406555
Same. I'm casually familiar with all three, but not as much as I'd like to be. Why did Paul Bunyan have a blue ox? What'd he do? I have no idea.
>Disney will never EVER do hand drawn 2D animation EVER again
>Generic CGI shit until the end of time
>>82406575
>coming up with stupid ideas just because you think someone else might come up with them later
You are being stupid yourself.
>>82406152
Holy Shit, I can't believe someone else remembers this pile o' garbage
>>82406682
>generic CGI shit
If you don't want to enjoy their movies, suit yourself. You're only robbing yourself of the enjoyment of their newer films. More for us.
>>82406675
Lumberjack, I think. Blue ox, who knows?
I remember him mostly from the Shel Silverstein poem.
http://www.familyfriendpoems.com/poem/paul-bunyan-by-shel-silverstein
>>82406707
I liked Tangled, I liked Wreck It Ralph (infact this one benefited from being 3D) and I liked Big Hero 6. I've yet to see Zootopia but it looks bretty gud.
Frozen can suck a fat cock.
That being said, it's all very generic and samey looking, I get much more entranced looking at the 2D concept art. All it does is make me sad because if it wasn't for retarded americlap consumers we'd have more movies in SUPERIOR 2D ANIMATION.
>>82406682
>generic CGI
Gotta say, Zootopia changed my mind on this one. Probably the first time I've thought a Disney film worked much better as a CGI film than it would have as 2D.
>John Henry thread
Welp, time to play that 10 minute loop I made of the mountain drill section
>>82406690
fuckyouilikedit
>>82406754
I feel you. Well-done 2D characters look more appealing than well-done 3D characters. I sympathize.
>Frozen can suck a fat cock.
I take it back. Go fuck yourself.
>>82406766
Post it
>>82406803
>Liking Frozen
Say what you want about the story and characters and whatever, but the art design is absolute meh, if not worse.
>>82406803
What are you? A 7 year old girl or an autistic?
I'm putting my money on autistic.
>>82406847he wants the let it go songand princesses
>mfw his hammers start glowing
>>82406736
>"Y'know, bein' dead wasn't no fun at all"...says Paul.
>He says, "Up in heaven they got harps on their knees,
>They got clouds and wings but they got no trees.
>I don't think that's much of a heaven at all"...says Paul.
>So he jumps on his ox with a fare-thee-well,
>He says, "I'll find out if there's trees in hell."
Kick-ass.
>>82406873You fucking know it man.
>>82406804
https://mega.nz/#!m8FVjSoQ!wgMi0VkPJvEeFhLzZlQBxXfPXktyAEgLdwaj829S9UU
>>82406675
He was a giant lumberjack who was commissioned by Teddy Roosevelt to clear out enough trees in Oregon to make it habitable. The Ox, Babe is blue because when first met her he saved her from a blizzard and she never regained her natural hue after being frozen solid. Along the way he accidentally creates many of the natural wonders of the american west, such as creating the Grand Canyon by dragging his giant ax across the ground when hewalks away in shame after failing his assignment
>>82407104
Aren't you some waifu-dependant psychological wreck of a "man", on the level of Twister and Boco?
yeah it's awesome but someone needs to post that song on youtube stat
>JOHN HENRY
>JOHN HENRY
>JOHN HENRY WAS A MIGHTY MAN
>>82406157
Eh could go either way the social justice warrior is an unpredictable creature
That said it's Disney Disney seems pretty good at avoiding there ire
>>82407336
he has the most posts of any tripfag on /co/. go look.
Ok, this seems like a good place to ask a random question. Does anyone remember the name of those old point and click computer games were a rabbit would tell you folk tales? He'd have a screen set up, and he'd pull up this old bindle.
Shit was comfy as fuck.
>>82406391
>the story of John Henry is historically accurate
>>82407104
Like it or not, this is 100% true.
Honestly, this is a better version, but the Disney one is pretty great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI0D44zYP-Q
>>82405988
HUMAN GRIT BEATS ROBOT MAGIC
>>82408863
FUCK THEM MAGIC ROBOTS. TRYNNA TAKE AWAY URR JERBS AND BUILD URR MURICA AN BANGIN UR WIMMENS UN AGEHREGAAGDKAGFAKGFDKA
>>82408898
Sorry bruh, but with minimum wage going up and being forced to pay your medical bills, it's cheaper to automate. Enjoy the welfare. You earned it.
>>82408968
Didnt John Henry leave his wife and kid a shitload of money he saved up when he died?
>>82408982
Death taxes, man.
>>82408992
Fuck.
I always wondered if they saved money by retaining the sketchy line work. I mean, clearly there was clean up, but was this a means to minimize it?
>>82406690
>garbage
This is a masterpiece of cinema alongside such classics as Avatar and Norm of the North both loved by Orwell's ghost
>>82406391
>>82406157
>>82407916
Tumblr LOVES this short.
Shows what you know cishets
>>82406754
Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 are apparently really good same with (HtTyD 1 and 2). Not sure what people's consensus of Kung Fu Panda 3 is though.
>>82405988
Most of that entire movie collection of shorts were top quality. I still don't understand the shit disney animation gets
>>82409837
>John_Henry_New_Frontier.jpg
>John Henry is wearing a KKK Hood, with a burning cross behind him and a noose around his neck.
>GEE MOM TWO HAMMERS
I swear that cape-comics writers include the worst writers of any know medium, including video games.
>>82410500
>I don't read comics but here's my opinion the post
>>82410665
>He thinks I don't read comics.
I wouldn't have as strong an opinion if I hadn't invested months into this shit. Comics are a really versatile medium with absolutely shit mainstream writers. The quality of the writing in every big cape event is worse than the fucking Star Wars Prequels. It's all stupid to the point of offensive, built around brand recognition. And shit like race/rape/whatever-is-edgy-atm is always well beyond their ability to depict (without fucking up horribly).
I fucking love comics, but mainsteam cape written worse than fucking reality TV and that image is a perfect example of those hacks' work. When amazing shit like Transmetropolitan is out there, I'm amazed the quality control is so fucked.
>>82410500
>KKK hood
Moron, people put bags over the heads of people they're going to hang, and he was clearly being hanged, judging by the noose.
It also gives him the look of an executioner
>>82410762
If you read the book you'd know he´s a Black vigilante who fights the KKK.
>>82406540
That's what a lot of people have been saying ever since Man of Steel came out.
>>82406644
I like him too, but they definitely jumped the gun trying to make a film of him so quickly.
>>82410910
There's no thought behind it, it's just a rip off from Hooded Justice frokm watchman and it's a completely retarded decision.
They also used those hoods in Spanish Catholic ceremonies. But Henry isn't in Spain. He's in the States in the 1870s or some shit, while the KKK was active. And a burning fucking cross? A noose around his neck? Plenty of comic writers are hardcore right wing, but I honestly think this was just abject stupidity. But if you know your history, it comes across as a weird, racist point. Hacks of this level can't get work in film or TV anymore, you'd never see anything that dumb unless it was offensive on purpose.
>>82405988
>Best rendition of the story out there.
Wrong.
>>82411111
>Plenty of comic writers are hardcore right wing
>>82410964
Yeah, this is totally fucking stupid.
Joh Henry core themes:
>Hard work.
>Man vs Machine.
>Industrialisation.
>Class.
>Stubbornness
But a hack doesn't understand that. A hack only sees that he's big and black, so they throw in some Batman imagery and make him fight the KKK.
>>82411120
But you at least agree Disney's was good even if it wasent the best right
>>82411193
>>82411111
>>82410762
>>82410500
>>82411161
But that's true. Comics and Newspapers pick up right winger writers way more often than TV or Hollywood, which leans left in a big way.
>>82411223
Do you have a list, my good Guy Fawkes?
>>82411219
John Henry being a vigilante who fights white racists is fucking dumb though. It's like Ben Grimm and Kitty Pryde teaming up to exterminate neo nazis in New York.
There's far more to a people and their culture than the group that hates them.
>>82411193
I suppose I can see where your coming from
Although I'm pretty sure at that point Henry just happened to be fighting the Klan it's not his normal enemy.
That said I have never read a john Henry story I'm talking out my arse can somebody with auctual knowledge conform or deny
DC's Version has a giant hammer he hits aliens with
Sorry Disney you lose this one
>>82411272
>Ben Grimm and Kitty Pryde teaming up to exterminate neo nazis in New York
Fund it.
>being a vigilante who fights white racists is fucking dumb though
I see you're quite the casual, anon.Or just some angry /pol/tard?
>>82411237
Morrison and Ennis have very right wing sensibilities, whereas Miller is so right he's off the fucking charts. And those three are beyong influential. That doesn't mean I don't like them, but it's true. Don't be fooled by all this tumblr pandering shit, that's just an executive ploy for money and it's clear they don't understand what they're trying to sell.
>>82411350
>There's far more to a people and their culture than the group that hates them.
Re-read that.
>>82411272
He´s not THE John Heny, it just has very heavy imagery.
>>82411237
Steve Ditko
Frank Miller
Bill Willingham
Chuck Dixon
Only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
>>82411360
>Morrison and Ennis have very right wing sensibilities
Shame on me for paying attention to you.
>>82406690
Wait a minute, are you tellling me that this cover >>82406152
isn't a shitty edit?
>>82411395
If they had him fighting steam punk industrial robots or scheming rail barons then it would be awesome. Bring race in as a secondary theme by all means, but using it as a primary one is pretty fucking lazy.
I mean, John Henry is a national treasure. Giving him an executioner hood is like giving Robin Hood an assault rifle.
>>82406458
Before projecting, could you actually find case that fit your supposition, because I have never seen anyone say something bad or akin to what you are supposing, there.
>>82406596
>I think he killed a bear
Nah, that's Davy Crocket.
>>82411450
Right wing doesn't mean racist, it means conservative.
>>82405988
what the fuck is john henry?
>>82411501
They're the same thing.
>>82406513
I never heard of him.
Its not like they teach folk tales in school.
The only reason I know Paul Bunyan is I had the Disney picture book as a kid. Otherwise I'd ignore it completely.
And johnny apple seed just gets tossed around as a phrase.
Kid travels the country planting apple seeds. Is there more to it than that? Its not a novel like Tom Sawyer.
>>82411471
He also is not the main character of the book at all, he's a side story.
>>82411458
I thought it was a pretty great movie at the time.
Its so odd realizing that John Henry actually was real.
>>82411514
No they fucking aren't. Morrison is as right as you can get in Scotland. He's super conservative about crime/punisment/rehab but he's responsible for some great gay characters, etc. Ennis is similar. Punisher MAX is one of my favourite all time runs, but it's right wing if it's not nihilist. My soggy knee is a huge issue in comics as well - cape character who put away their tits and ass tend to get raped or some shit and loads of women have 'ex-hooker' as their superhero origins, unlike any men. Except maybe Luke Cage, I dunno.
>>82411610
A lazy, racist side story. It would have been cool in the 70s.
>>82411504
http://bettermyths.com/john-henry-was-a-steel-drivin-man/
>>82406555
http://bettermyths.com/johnny-appleseed-has-a-kevlar-scrotum/
(Nice trips, by the way)
>>82406675
http://bettermyths.com/paul-bunyan-was-a-log-drivin-man/
>>82411673
Shut up, Millar.
>>82411703
Leave Millar out of this, he's not right wing at all.
>>82411728
I'm still annoyed that DC wouldn't allow this to be a Batman story. It would have been amazing.
>>82411760
People would mistake it wth DK3.
>>82406517
I can't not laugh at this it was gold.
>>82405988
animated, maybe
>>82406134
>not listening to the Johnny Cash version
>or the Tennessee Ford version
>>82409185
It happened when they invented some new way to paint cells, I watched on a doc how some liked it because no one had to clean the animators drawings so their linework would be exact but Disney hated the sloppines
>>82406546
True
Guys please don't derail this thread. Folklore is cool.
>>82411120
>Code Name STEAM
Came here to post this. Glad to see someone else had the same idea.
>>82406555
>People never sang the Johnny Appleseed song in school
JOHN CHAPMAN WAS A REAL MAN
AND HE LIVED LONG AGO
HE CAME FROM MASSACHUSETTS
THAT'S HOW THE STORY GOES
>>82405988
This version introduced the idea of John Henry melting down his slave chains to forge his hammer.
THATS FUCKING AWESOME
>>82411111
Seems pretty 90s
Needs more pouches
Nice quints
>>82406513
The only place I learned about all three was in this Disney package film.
Casey Jones was also included.
>>82411760
Is that a Batman story? I know there's a Batman: Holy Terror, but it's not the same one that that image comes from. The Batman: Holy Terror I know of is an Elseworlds title, where the church is the government, Bruce is about to become a priest, and he finds out the church has been doing some bad stuff.
>>82411120
>Ballad of John Henry is a story about a man vs a machine
>Best rendition is one where he is part machine
Naw.
Go back to /v/
>>82415517
I prefer to think of it as being about integrity vs selfishness
I don't think I could enjoy it otherwisw
>>82411273
>That said I have never read a john Henry story I'm talking out my arse can somebody with auctual knowledge conform or deny
John Henry's story is a complete mess. Thr only thing anyone agrees on is that there was a strong black man named John who fought against a machine.
Some stories make it a friendly contest, others have it with higher stakes. Some have him die at the end, others have him live.
American folktales are so shitty, holy fuck.
Is there anything akin to Fables or similar but more based around American Tall Tales
>>82406513
He's black, so no. Not so much. Might also be because his story is a depressing tale about a man killing himself because of his own hubris.
>>82406606
I love his story in New Frontier
>>82406510
What do I search for on Netflix? John Henry only gets me John Henry Cox in The Nanny Diaries.
>>82405988
>"Oh, the only guy who can compete with our steam engine died. Let's build another."
>>82417265
Try something like "Disney Shorts." It has Paperman too if you haven't seen that either.
>>82406513
Hahahahahahahahahahaah fucking good one m8.
>>82417265
Disney Animated Shorts Collection or some shit
It's part of a compilation video. You won't find it on its own.
>>82417265
"Disney" should be good enough.
>>82406513
Most people don't. Hell, most people confused him with John Hardy, an outlaw.
>>82417339
The actual John Henry survived and continued working well after the contest.
He died to some falling rocks from a TNT explosion and then burried in an unmarked grave outside of the bend so that they wouldn't depress the other workers.
>>82417342
>>82417388
The worst part about this collection is that it's missing Runaway Brain
It kind of makes me sad because it makes me realize we live in an era where it's unlikely that an animation studio would produce an adaptation of American folklore with a straight face anymore like they did this this, and the other shorts in >>82414414 Kids today find it edgy to make fun of and spit on American history, while adults seem to care less and less
>>82405988
I love the idea of turning his old chains into the hammer
This short film gave me a BBC fetish. No joke.
>>82417770me too
>>82417770
>>82417836Me three.
>>82415016
Miller's holy terror was supposed to be a Batman story. it's obvious if you read it, his not!catwoman acts like a cat and uses feline puns...despite having no cat gimmick in her costuming or name.
>>82417770
Is Gwen being into British programming some sort of new meme?
>>82417770
>>82417836
>>82417864Are you guys me?
>>82411360
Look up what situationism is and what its political alignment is, and then get back to us.
>>82406157
I don't remember this story at all.
>>82405988
>That music
>That steam drill
>That wife of his
All of it was great.
>>82417770
I wantDavid Attenboroughinside me.
>>82417770
How?
So I'm not the only one that thinks this would make a cool spin-off comic right?
>>82406596
Yes, he actually ran into a bear that wanted his delicous seeds and then kiled the damn thing with a knife, wrote a letter but given his hands were mangled he wrote the knife is a real 'ka bar' which lead to the legendary Kabar name. Also he adopted the orphan bear cub and named it Teddy, hence the start of the teddy bear.
>>82411547
I actually watched this in school.
>>82420623
>Also he adopted the orphan bear cub and named it Teddy, hence the start of the teddy bear.
That's not true. It was named after the president Theodore Roosevelt. It was inspired from a story of the president when he went bear hunting with some friends but didn't manage to hunt a single thing. Feeling bad his friends captured a bear cub and told him to kill it but Theodore refused saying that shit ain't sportsmanlike.
>>82420509
I can tell which class everyone is except for the newsman and the Cowboy
Is the Cowboy supposed to be Scout and newsman supposed to be Engineer?
>>82420770
The cowboy is Billy the Kid and the other guy Nikola Tesla. So yes, that's exactly right.
>>82420770
Newsman is Blue Scout, cowboy is Red Scout.
>>82420770
The newsman is probably Buffalo Bill and the Scout cowboy is probably Billy the Kid. I'm thinking the Demoman cowboy might be Dynamite Dan Clifton.
>>82420821
>the other guy Nikola Tesla
>Those aren't newspapers those are building plans
Shit, of course
>>82406157
It's tragic though
Because in the end despite proving he was batter than the machine he proved that the machine was better in the long run since you know he fucking died trying to beat it.
>Machine can almost keep up with John Henry working his hardest
>Can be replaced
>>82417900
>new
>>82415770
No I mean the comic character John Henry
Also where the hell have you seen a tale of John Henry where he survives
>>82421153
I think he won his fellow workers some sort of deal so they wouldn't be fucked over.
>>82411514
Fuck you and that attitude, bub.
>>82413655
>This version introduced the idea of John Henry melting down his slave chains to forge his hammer.
Did it? I distinctly remember reading the slave chains into hammer thing long before this short ever came out.
Like back when Johnny Cash was singing about it.
>>82411547
Where the hell do you live that you never learned any folklore from a relative at the least? I'm gonna assume somewhere urban.
>>82411547
You never learned the Appleseed Prayer as a kid?
Shame on your parents.
>>82406510
I just don't get why they are all bundled. internet streaming is the PERFECT medium for throwing random short films out there, its not a DVD.
Disney's short is really good. You can see that a lot of the people Disney hires are genuine artists, and the stuff only gets tampered with when executives and focus groups get into the picture. There is a picture book illustrated by Ezra Jack Keats that I really like, too.
>>82406682
>Generic CGI Shit
I miss 2D too, but come on.
>>82411120
I think Project S.T.E.A.M. is pretty cool but I hate what they did to John Henry.
Since feature films are more profitable in CGI Disney should make more traditional 2D shorts like this. Like a huge series of folk tales and fairy tales drawn in the classic Disney style. Folk tales like John Henry, mythology from different cultures, religious stories, the original versions of fairy tales they've already done as features, etc. That'd be so dope.
>>82415613
Classic Man vs Technology stories like that do have a bit of a deeper theme. Afterall, John Henry is wearing clothes likely spun from a machine and wielding a tool, if a primitive one. He's not punching the stakes into the ground with his fists. The important bit is that machine he faces is automated. Something built and constructed using math and knowledge far removed from the day to day experiences of the working man.
It's just as much about the man on the ground versus the pencil pusher out of town. The experience of a craftsman, as lowly as that craft may be, versus the generalized, interchangeable automation. A similar story could be spun out of a man who built him self custom robo parts and who spent his whole life tinkering with his own machines for specific tasks and a general automaton made by a committee across the country.
It probably wouldn't be as drammatic of a story. The story does rely on a more contrasting image of a man and a hammer and a complicated machine of industry.
>>82413637
He planted apple trees so people could have delicious hard cider. A true American hero.
>>82406513
I don't know about these other guys, but yeah, we did.
Paul Bunyon and John Henry we learned about a few times, like in middle school as well, when we were covering the industrial revolution. Don't recall if we went over them in highschool at all.
>>82414414
>the brave engineer
?????
Literally who
>>82420770
>>82420821
Is right
>>82427229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLHXwC7lkas
>>82427229
Casey Jones you clown.
>>82427229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Q9-Cgh9U
>>82427891
>>82428013
>>82428142
Huh. I've seriously never heard of this story, and yet I'm super familiar with John Henry and Paul Bunyon.
>>82428142
>what'ya know, she-mail!
is there some old timey joke I'm not getting here or something
>>82428297
The wiki is a pretty interesting read.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Jones
>>82411514
If you're a racist you're more than likely right wing, but that doesn't mean every right wing person is a racist.
>>82407612
That part of the song is the only thing I remember about this shit from seeing it in like 3rd grade.
God damn was it bad ass.
>>82406152
This should have been the title of the upcoming WDAS Jack and the Beanstalk rendition.
>>82421153
it showed that niggers may have animal brute strength but the white man is still smarter and can engineer ways to keep them in check
>>82429897
Very subtle.
>>82411120
>John Henry
>Half machine despite his character being about how he can beat any machine
>Doesn't even use a hammer
>Uses a fucking bear grenade launcher
>You know, the BEAR GRENADE LAUNCHER he's famous for?
I don't have any opinion on the game, but that's pretty retarded.
I can turn a jack, I can lay a track, I can pick and shovel too
I'll do anything you hire me to
>>82429966
the story was fashy as fuck all niggers can be worked to death and the white man can colonize africa and make it great again
>>82417173
The American Tall Tales were actually in Fables.
>>82420509
For those that don't know who they are, it's Davey Crockett, Fu Manchu, Sigmund Freud, John Henry, Billy the Kid, Alfred Nobel, Stonewall Jackson, Nikola Tesla, and Abe Lincoln.
>>82426107
I had the bible and books on the Greek and Norse myths. Never had exposure to folksy stuff.
>>82426143
Catholic. We don't get into sillyness during prayers. Only monotonous repetitions of dogmatic beliefs.
>>82421153
>It's tragic though
Well obviously.
But the idea that the pinnacle of human ability remains unmatched by any artificial machine is uplifting. Even if that human limit is ephemeral - reached reached only in a few fleeting moments of incredible willpower and inspiration - it is still there as something for others to strive for, a monument to human determination and strength.
There is a little bit of John Henry in every person who can claim to be a real master of their craft, from athletes and artists to engineers and scientists.
>>82430892
Unmatched
Henry was barely better than it and he killed himself beating it.
At the end of the day the machine still works and it works at a output of 0.999 John Henry's
The machine was better.
>>82433476
The machine was more powerful. The man was better.
The railroad company was using its resources put the men out of work so they wouldn't have to give them the land that they promised to give them. And before you say "that's the free market" remember that there is no way a former slave would be able to make or buy a steam engine. The deck was stacked against him. Only the rich were getting richer.
The rich and powerful were trying to exploit the laborers out of what they earned.
John gave his life to ensure that this didn't happen. It's a bittersweet story.I don't care if that's not how it was said to have happened. I'm just going by the Disney short.
>>82433476
In the long run, yes, the machine is better. What John Henry represents is the idea that the human "genius", whether physical or mental, is unique and can't be replicated by artificial things like machines.
Depending on how you look at it John Henry's death is a either pyrrhic victory or a romanticized failure.
>>82434198
>is unique and can't be replicated by artificial things like machines.
But it was replaced
Because John Henry was dead
>>82434745
Anon don't be obtuse.
The point isn't that it's more practical to use the engine, the point is the Machine will never have the spark that makes us human.
>>82434745
replicated != replaced
lrn2 reading comprehension
>>82435016
explain the difference.
>>82434795
How sappy
All that matters is who's still standing and it wasn't John Henry.
>>82435222
>>82434745
>>82433476
I wonder who could be behind these posts.
>>82435222I'm being baited, aren't I?
>explain the difference
Even if the machine replaces John Henry, it hasn't replicated him or his feat.
It's like if Bucky becomes Captain America then he has replaced Steve, but he hasn't BECOME Steve.
>All that matters is who's still standing and it wasn't John Henry.
But he DID beat the steam drill. That it cost him his life is part of the fable, part of the emotional symbolism. Does the idea of a noble sacrifice - of truly giving everything you have to your work - not resonate with you?
>>82435388
>it hasn't replicated him or his feat.
No just a feat almost as impressive a infinite amount of times.
>It's like if Bucky becomes Captain America then he has replaced Steve, but he hasn't BECOME Steve.
The machine's purpose wasn't to become John Henry though simply to prove it's better at his job which it is because in order for to beat it he had to work himself to death whereas the machine can keep it's pace forever.
>But he DID beat the steam drill.
Once
>Does the idea of a noble sacrifice - of truly giving everything you have to your work - not resonate with you?
Sure it does but be that as it may the claim of the machine was that it was better at the job and ultimately it was.
If I could offer you two guns before you are shipped off to a warzone, one that is a normal gun that can be fire for as many times as you have ammo and another that I assure you is very powerful but can only ever be fired once and after that it will be broken forever which would you say is the better weapon? Which would you entrust your life to?
John Henry's victory was hollow.
>>82435222
>How Sappy
Yes that's the point.
And obviously it isn't all that matters since if he hadn't done it all the workers would've been dicked out of their claims.
So it's both a moral and literal victory despite John dying and y'know the theme of his tale.
>>82435644
Obviously it wasn't. It lost the competition.
>>82435824
>Obviously it wasn't. It lost the competition.
But not the war
>>82435644
>>82435891
What point are you trying to make? Nobody is claiming that the machine is worse at its job than John Henry in the long run. We're just explaining the symbolism behind what John Henry did and why it's worthy of being a folk tale.
>>82435891
But he absolutely did.
His motive was to win his coworkers claims. He accomplished that.
