Mary is back!
>>82405026
So is willis talking about himself because it certainly feels it. He really needs to gain more selfawareness.
Willis has added ANOTHER gay couple to the strip
>>82405026
>blue haired girl has Willis' haircut
He's not even trying to be subtle about the self-inserts anymore.
>>82405026
Using what looks like boozles for what I'm assuming is alcohol withdrawal is a little awkward.
At least there's no hideous profile drawings in this one.
>>82405199
You're being too generious. Willis literally only has 3 hair cuts at his disposal. Her haircut is literally the same as every other person's, but short. Hell, Mary's got a slightly more angular version of that exact same haircut.
>>82405160
What makes him think that Mary is expecting an award? She makes a distinct point that no one is getting one.
>being a nice person is supposed to be a charade
again, why are we supposed to like Ruth?
>>82405026
>willis will never cure his sameface or samehair
>>82405264
Just so you know, posting anything from the comment section is a bannable offense for some reason. Just to avoid future issues with this.
>>82405582
Willis seems like the kind of guy who has had the same haircut for twenty years. He probably cuts it himself.
Do we have any news from Patreanon?
>>82405026
I thought the red haired one with glasses was a lesbian and that the dark haired christian one knew she fucks girls. How could she be faking sticking up for queers when she's gay herself?
>>82405026
I hate stories that do this shit, characters that hate each other intiating conversations with the person they hate
>>82405866
Mary's referring to Carla as queer. It's kinda weird for her to say that since she'd be the type to lump everyone under the queer label, but there are gay and trans people who reject the queer label for various reasons.
>>82405026
This will be useful for later.
>>82405260
I seriously thought she was just a blue Leslie.
>>82405939
I'm going to get some mileage out of this one.
Mary is literally the only sane character.
>>82405320
because she has grrl power and also she is a lesbian
why are you against such rich diversity
>>82405026
...are we sure he has no self-awareness?
wait isn't the redhead trans or did I mix her up with another character
>>82405199
>Drawing himself as a lesbian
So what's he going to call himself after the sex change?
>>82406078
I read this comic pretty much only when I see these threads, and the only character I like in any way is Mary
the other characters are swarmy unlikeable douchebags who try to one up eachother in being douchebags in every way
guys we need more hourglass expansion pronto.
>>82406170
Shit how would his kids react?
>>82405866
Mary is doing reverse of "homophobes are just repressed homos". She thinks Ruth was only doing lesbos to win libertanian/sjw points.
>>82406197
They'd grow up to make webcomics about awful parents and tranny strawmen
>>82406126
was that not already obvious?
>Early Joyce and Current Mary are only likable characters in the whole comic
I don't get it, I thought you guys said Willis used Christians as strawmen
>>82406197
>Yeah, that sounds like something dad would do.
>>82406236
and the cycle continues...
>>82406241
he has a voice in the back of his head that whispers louder and louder with every passing day
some day, it'll eclipse all the other voices and he will be sane
>>82406249
it has been foretold now,by Cycle Cera
>>82406219
You don't get libertarian points for doing lesbos, you get libertarian points for not caring about people doing lesbos.
>>82406236
>>82406249
>Willis's children will be conservative Christians
>Their children will be hippie communists
>Their children...
>>82406236
Wouldn't the anti-thesis of Willis be an inconsistent but interesting and well-characterized webcomic?
>>82406327
Yes.It's called Blaster Nation
>>82406327
So... It hurts!!?
>>82406348
>Blaster Nation
>Good
Just... Fuck you, man. Fuck, I don't know what to say here other than fuck you. Ugh.
>>82406348
>>82406382
What is this one about?
>>82406350
Mm yeah, also hits the opposite on "nothing really bad sticks to the characters" to "shit's done fucked up yo, AGAIN AND AGAIN"
>>82406382
>Ugh
>>82406382
>Blaster Nation
>Badhttps://soundcloud.com/anusfarts/grand-it-up
>>82406414I don't know how else to explain that it wasn't an 'angry' fuck you, but an exasperated, 'I can't be doin' with this' fuck you.
>>82405026
>blue haired Lesbian Willis
IS THERE ANY OTHER "LESBIANS" THAT I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?!
>>82406160
The redhead is an alcoholic lesbian.
>>82407973
Bisexual
>>82406241
he's not very good at it
>>82406413
>What is this one about?
Slice of life about mostly terrible people, but the story also makes sure that they do stumble and have to make good of themselves at times.
Rock Cocks is about degenerate sluts fucking and making music that prompts fucking. It's lovely.
>>82405195
Grace and Mandy have already been shown as a couple. Fucking casuals, not keeping track of every minor character in DoA and coming in here talking nonsense
>>82406170
UltraCarlamus Prime.
>>82405026
BASED MARY
>next comic:
>willis tries to pretend that what mary just said is wrong
>>82405260
i never thought i'd be defending willis about anybody, but it is just retarded to claim he doesn't have an adequate selection of hairstyles
>>82405320
Because she's got red hair. Everyone in this strip with red hair is meant to be one of the good guys.
Note that I said "mean to be".
>>82406219
>>82406279
You're both wrong; you get libertarian points for getting offended at homosexuals getting the same rights as other people and being pissedoff at rape victims for a) wanting their rapist to be convicted and b) getting raped in the first place
>>82408211
Ok I admit I am not very keen on the political parties of the murricans.
What are the pro-sjws called?
>>82408115
>Carla suddenly shows up and gives Ruth a literal merit badge
Take THAT, Mary!
So wait... what IS the charade?
What am I taking away from this comic?
>>82408353
Ruth is suddenly pretending to be nice, especially to the lesbians, and pretending to do her job properly after months of being a rude lazy bitch
>>82405060
It's even worse than that. The comic literally only makes sense if you assume Ruth is a stand-in for Willis.
I mean, Ruth is in bisexuals with Billie. Mary fucking knows that. So the idea that Ruth's being nice for liberal brownie points is absurd.
Dammit Willis, I knew you were incompetent at writing
>>82408353
Ruth is putting a charade of acting nice.
Mary thinks that her supporting LGBT rights was a charade.
>>82408295
I'm pretty sure the only pro-SJWs are SJWs.
Hell, I'm liberal and I think SJWs are, at best, paving the road to hell.
>>82408416
But there's that Bernie guy, right? He's for LGBT rights, yes? What side is he on.
>>82408452
>apparently, some SJWs are considering dropping the G from LGBT, because according to them gays aren't as oppressed these days.
...that's some new favour of crazies. Not sure if crazier than truscum feminists or they still hold the cake.
>>82408537
In my country (Bongistan), we have a libertarian think tank/online magazine who shoves their oar into every political issue by taking a completely contrarian stance, for no other reason than to piss off the dumb old liberals.
They got in the news a few years back when one of them claimed that all the people who got molested by Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall et al. should just let it go and stop making such a fuss. Their editor once made a speech in Parliament saying that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry, because they hadn't protested the issue in the right way, then got pissy when polticians started laughing at him.
>>82408729
Well that's where your country differs from America, where the Libertarians by and large just want the government to leave them the hell alone. Small scale isolationists, you might say.
>>82408729
Sorry, forgot links:
http://www.freezepage.com/1462189088OCKWCMZPZT
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmpublic/marriage/130214/pm/130214s01.htm#13021470000269
>>82408816
I see...
>>82409148
In the middle of this comic, I had hope arise that Mary would try to help Ruth since she seems to be having trouble with alcohol abuse, but my first impulses are usually foolishly romantic.
>>82409145
>prosecuting pedos will destroy freedom!
>so let's take all these rights away from people who were raped/molested when they were young!
Christ... this is fucking ridiculous
>>82409662
Oh, it gets even better: you see that one book that she used as a citation? It was written by one of the former editors of Spiked, and the whole article came out a couple of months after that book had gotten a bad review
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/mar/13/moral-crusades-frank-furedi-review
Anywho, Mary's pretty badly written, isn't she? I mean, even by Willis' standards...
>>82406170
Joyce wharever his wife's maiden name was.
Must destroy all links to his brutal evil upbringing.
>>82410015
Not Jocelyne?
>>82406241
what about that bro who fucks every girl?
>>82405199
>dat figure
Come on Willy, let's be honest with ourselves.
>>82409713
Mary is the only well written character.
The problem is it is by accident, and we're supposed to hate her instead of sympathize with her.
>trying to study
>annoying tranny stomping through the halls on rollerskates
>ask her to stop
>nope
>glue her skates
>tyrannical RA gives you shit for standing up for yourself
>get dirt on her
>throw it in her face
>stand up for your beliefs no matter what people think, never back down
>>82408416
that's the thing, you can actually broadly agree with SJW on issues and not be one or approve of them.
SJW is a set of tactics and identities, not any kind of coherent belief.
>>82409713
>some guy in the comments section recommends Spiked's review of the instead
>somebody points out the conflict of interest
>Y-YEAH, WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN THIS HATCHET JOB!
My sides are on the far-right AND the far-left!
>>82411456
Mary is also a classic bigot asshole though
Like you can support trannies right to use what bathroom they want while still hating how much of a shit human being they are, but that's too much for Willis
>>82411456
Can a character be called well-written if the effect that the audience gets from her is the opposite that the author intends?
>>82406279
To be fair, he said, "libertanian," not, "libertarian." Which I think refers to the fabled promised land of high seas pirates.
>>82408211
You don't actually know what libertarian means, do you.
>>82412051
Do gay white guys avoid stupid shit like those societies?
>>82411864
That's just Willis trying to remove any kind of nuance or subtlety from his writing.
>Mary has a legitimate grievance? Better make her say something bigoted!
>Sal seems like an asshole? Better make Walky dumber/Amber angrier!
And so on and so forth...
>>82412056
A far-right movement that thinks it's centrist, that used to hate Communism but now just takes lazy shots at liberals e.g. acting like SJWs represent modern liberalism, and acting like they're the last bastion of free speech, even though the only opinions they'll defend are the ones they have.
Also, they hate any attempt to regulate big business, even though laissez-faire has been proven to be the main cause of every stock market crash since at least The Panic of 1873.
>>82411456
Mary is not well written, she is a simplistic villain with no depth other then stereotypical religious beliefs. But she is actually likable in the fact she is a somewhat relatable villain being trapped in a world full of hatable protagonists being clearly written by a bigoted author with no self awareness.
>>82412152
Most students in general avoid the stupid shit with societies, getting on with important things like getting smashed and not doing their essays, but there's always some. Generally speaking student politics is a cesspool filled with self-righteous, self-important idiots with half an eye to a junior position in the Labour party, and nobody in their right mind wants to get in on that, but if you leave them to it they just embarrass everybody.My lot got the university in the news quite recently having sombreros, handed out by a local Mexican restaurant as part of a promotion, banned from campus for "cultural appropriation". I despair sometimes, I really do.
![2011-06-20-dressed[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Eehwjjq.png "2011-06-20-dressed[1].png")
>>82405320
>>82408353
She's pretending to be a lot of things.
1. Nice
2. Sober (she's going through severe alcohol withdrawal)
3. Not depressed to the point that she just stays in her room not giving a shit about her job.
4. Good at her job (relates to 3)
Mary used to not have that hair bang prong that all his characters have. I guess he got tired of that variety.
>>82412393
Lefty Toons are usually a bit didactic for my taste, but in that example their wordiness works.
>>82412202
>>82412393
You guys need to quit basing your entire opinions on strawman comics. Libertarianism as a political philosophy covers both sides of the political spectrum, in fact it used to be considered a hard-left position due to its overlap with several forms of anarchism. It'd be like saying that Democrats and Communists are the same because they're both liberal.
>>82405026
Mary's response in the final panel really only makes sense if the redhead had said "That's what you think A charade is" rather than "THE charade".
>>82411456
>>82411864
>>82411944
>>82412314
Reminds me of Rob from B^U. Written with the intention of being annoying as hell, but was the only likeable character and decent human being in the comic.
>>82406126
Stuff like this happens because writers think their critics are so horrible and off base that they feel no needs to exaggerate their critiques. So they put them in stories word for word, but think they'll still come across as extreme and obviously wrong to others as it did to them. Because to people like Willis, that line itself is simply too unbelievable to take seriously.
"You're just doing it for brownie points" is a common accusation thrown around in internet shit fights. I know women MRA get slapped with it, accused of only wanting to ingratiate themselves to men. And men feminists get the exact same things thrown their way.
It's always seen as baseless shit flinging by the implicated party, and so it's a common "unbelievable" opinion to put in a strawman's mouth. They miss the fact that, in some situations, it's really hard to interpret someone's actions any other way.
This is pretty much always what leads to the strawmen characters in polemics gaining fans: writers get so wrapped up in their own perspectives, they don't realize that what they think of as extreme, absolutely obviously wrong opinions make perfect sense to a number of people. And these people aren't insane for holding those opinions. Mary's entire fanbase on /co/ is because of this: Willis putting some opinion in Mary's mouth that's supposed to be utterly terrible and turn the audience against her, but people totally agree with her anyway. Because what was supposed to be an example of a hateful person pushing stereotypes and bias against a minority's actions ends up reading as a reasonable person getting fed up with an asshole's bullshit. Mary is supposed to be going "too far" with all this, but a lot of people think her reactions are in fact entirely within her rights.
>>82414910
It's not even that, I don't think, it's that since Mary is written to be an asshole Willis expects everything she does to be interpreted as a negative due to her being an asshole. He ignores the fact that most people make a complete distinction from a person's personality and behavior and their judgment of said person's behavior. It's why people here think that Mary is in the right, even if she's been an uppity cunt about it once, and think that Joyce's mom was wrong for somehow expecting Becky to take over the expenses for maintaining her father's house. Mary could have called Carla a degenerate shemale and still have been in the right while Joyce's mom could have been the most loving and supportive person ever and still been in the wrong.
>>82415152
Yeah. Being a shitty person and being wrong aren't synonymous.
I want my Ruthless back
>>82415179
Reminder that anti-smoking laws were literally created by Nazis.
>>82415291
Ruthless wouldn't be bad if we got some actual resolution to her being a violent drunk.
>>82413434
Who was he?
>>82406078
>>82405026
Huh, apparently she's saying what people rightfully claim about Willis.
>>82415291
Ruthless deserved to be fired for half the shit she pulled.
>>82412314
>being clearly written by a bigoted author with no self awareness
Holy shit this. As a bisexual person I find myself rooting for Mary. Willis can go to Hell with his stereotypical sexual minorities characters. He's basically writing the awful stereotype of each (lesbians that either do it only for attention or are abusive butch dykes seducing previously straight girls, gay and bisexual men being limp-wristed, no spine pussies, black characters being criminals or sassy bitches and so forth), but presenting them as "good'.
>>82419447
>Cum Deus lo Vult
>>82419773
Sarah, while one of the worst characters in the strip, is hardly sassy.
>>82419915
>Sarah
>Worst character
How do you live with such shit taste
>>82408351
>Becky suddenly shows up and gives Ruth a literal merit badge
There's Becky!
>>82419773
>As a bisexual person
um
ok
>>82412051
It might just be my personal experiences, but lesbians seems to be more accepted in society than gay men are.
Lumping trans-ness in with sexualities is also stupid.
>>82408351
>Trannies get outraged at cis white male David Willis giving himself a merit badge
I would kind of like to see this
>>82414910
What's funny is "doing it for brownie points"* is a common attack on sjws by other sjws, and I think walky is getting close (not over it yet, but close) where the fags and trannies he panders to notice that he's a cis straight white male presuming to speak for them and engage in the usual practice of eating their own.
*their preferred nomenclature is "ally cookie" as in "oh look he met the minimum standards of human decency, somebody give him a cookie"
>>82419773
I was thinking more for Willis depiction of christians as either sheltered pushovers or mega bitches, but I see your point about the portrayal of the other characters. It seems that Willis doesn't understand both the religious community or queer community, aka the two communities who are/where his target audience.
>>82413463
Pretty much this. I believe there are libertarians outt here who aren't bigoted dickwads... in much the same way that Juvenal believed that black swans existed.
>>82414523
Aren't all the libertarians pinning their hopes on Trump, because he wants to remove kebab?
>>82419915
I assume Anon meant Sal
>>82421289
That shits been around for awhile. It was a pretty common gripe in feminism a decade or so ago before SJW became the face of internet American liberalism. And a general joke about human nature long before that. Chris Rock did a bit about it too.
>>82421377
Didn't Sullivan try to trademark "South Park republican"
>>82419773
>As a bisexual person
Sorry faggot, there is no bisexual.
YOU EITHER SUCK DICK or YOU DO NOT SUCK DICK.
>>82421377
Didn't Sullivan try to trademark "South Park republican"?
>>82422581
Superior comedian coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1yxFbI0hA
HE ACTUALLY DID IT
THE MADMAN
>>82414910
>>82415152
I refuse to believe anyone is incompetent enough to accidentally write well.
>>82422783
And yet Toe Dad already happened
>>82422783
Incompetence manifests in different ways. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists and doctors through out history who have not only been able to expand the frontiers of our understanding of the world, but also been a pack of loonies who believed in baseless shit. Even in the modern world, there have been scientists who denied HIV was an actual thing, and yet made headway in treating cancer. To be terrible in one aspect doesn't equate to being terrible in another.
By all accounts, Willis used to be able to actually tell a good story without getting bogged down in all this shit. Yes, standard, crazy, early 2000's webcomic absurdism and seat of the pants writing for a gag SoL that turned into some crazy sci fi epic. But a solid story and characters people enjoyed. When it comes to peoples deeply held beliefs, things start to get fuzzy. It's perfectly natural, expected even, that Willis is capable of creating a solid form and widely missing the mark on function. He writes the line in the third panel because, as a writer, he understands how to craft a good line. But to him, it means something wildly different than it does to us. That it solidly fits two different, very different, perspectives on reality is more a reflection on how much context and point of view matters than on Willis accidentally getting something right. The line by itself carries no special weight towards either interpretation, but both points of view have a lot of baggage that shapes their readings of it.
>>82423188
>third panel
Whoops, fourth panel.
>>82405026
>>82412381
Surprising. There aren't any gums showing in these comics.
I wonder if it has anything to do with Plebcomics taking a huge shit all over his comics and "style".
>>82422598
Yeah I think that was him. A bunch of 2000s liberals complained but I don't think they realized that Trey & Matt were pretty much Goldwater Republicans.
>>82423471
Are there examples of the gums being really bad in older comics? I don't remember them at all.
>>82423471
>>82423963
This strip >>82412381 is fairly old. I don't think he did the gum thing back then. Also, I think his art was a little bit nicer before? Something about it is cuter. I can't really explain why I think so.
>>82424175
The heads are bigger, The lines are thicker, and the characters are more exagerated making them look more cartoony.
>>82409145
This seems familiar.
>>82424836
Given that one has a patreon logo, I'm going to guess that one was building off of the other.
I think I've seen a counterpoint to the feminism one too.
>>82405026
I wonder how many threads would be derailed into bitching about Willis's hypocrisy if people used panel 4 as a reaction image regarding left-aimed clickbait?
>>82423471
Source for the Plebcomics thing?
>>82424836
>that obvious as fuck Christina Hoff Sommers pastiche
This is in rather poor taste
>>82425458
To be fair, she is as awful as they say she is.:^)
>>82408115
He totally will, though. Ruth will go on a whole tirade about how "It's just the right thing to do/basic human decency/whatever" even though it's already been established that Ruth doesn't give two shits about right and wrong given that she's fucking someone on her own floor and refuses to take responsibility for doing so.
>>82424836
I just looked that dumbfuck up and he literally made a comic about how he is a self-proclaimed neckbeard and how neckbeard shouldn't be an insult because it is "gendered" and "promotes bodily normalities."
These people expect me to take them seriously.
>>82426373
The dude's literally a /pol/ caricature: overweight, poorly groomed hyper-leftist jew with a massive nose. It's fucking surreal.
>>82426373
>neckbeard shouldn't be an insult because it is "gendered" and "promotes bodily normalities."
Funny, that's precisely why I think it should be an insult.
But then I'm not a feminist, I'm a misandrist.And a self-loathing neckbeard.
>>82425254
only because I like em so much
>>82427845
http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/tagged/comics
>>82413278
>Democrats and Communists are the same
They are
This took a turn for the stupid.
>>82431486
>The state frowns upon murder, sir.
>>82431558
Mary said a very loose anti-trans statement. That is on par with rape, which is worse than murder.
>>82431558
>DAMN THEIR OILY HIDES!
>>82431558
>Willis said there'd be no death in this comic because with the decompressed timeline the comic would have to spend the next year in mourning
>nobody would mourn Mary's death
>>82431486
>I can still do as I please.
OH NO! SHE CAN STILL DO AS SHE PLEASES! Which seems to include drinking a soda? Won't somebody stop her before she refills it!?
>>82431668
That madwoman.
>>82431486
Willis still hasn't explained how Mary totally definitely knew Carla was trans, and intentionally made a trans slur instead of telling carla that because she's acting like a boy, she'll take her to the boy's dorm where she belongs.
>>82428743
>middle class, educated, with seemingly every advantage, but who still feels aimless and dissatisfied
Oh look it's feminism in a nutshell
>>82431486
Oh boy I can't wait for whatever bullshit Carla will do
I'm sure it will be punishment to fit the crime
>>82411864
If I had a penny for every gender I'd have 2 pennies.
>>82431486
I love how Willis is writing Mary like a bond Villain because any amount of nuance would make you hate her less.
>>82431486
So I'm confused. Is Ruth trying to act sober to get back with Billie? Why did Ruth break up with her if Mary's evidence was gone? What was Ruth stopping Mary from doing before that now makes this a holding pattern? Didn't Mary just want to study and Carla was the one who was breaking school policy by skating in the hall? What possible contraption could Carla make to get back at Mary with that wouldn't look like extreme overkill and realistically lead to possible expulsion for what should have been a minor altercation? What can Ruth even say to Superiors about Mary? If Brother Dean can preach on campus with no consequences from administration I don't know what Ruth thinks her boss can do about Mary one time saying something. What operation is Mary talking about? Is it against the rules for RA's to drink? It wasn't at my college. What other operation could she be talking about if there is no connection between Ruth and Billie anymore. Am I dumb or is it this comic?
>>82431486
There's this thing in storytelling, comics specifically. It's an element of foreshadowing, or really, connecting the dots. I think Scott McCloud covers it in his book, but basically, if it shows someone holding a gun at someone else, and then cuts away with a bang sound effect, then between the panels, the author hasn't killed that character. The reader does, by making the connection of the bang and the previous context. The author doesn't HAVE to show them die, because we get it immediately.
By having Mary's last line be "You're not the hero." and immediately cutting to Carla, it's indirectly insinuating that she's the hero. The worst thing Mary has actually done is a slur, which may be against a zero-tolerance policy, but this is active harassment and escalation on Carla's part. In other words, Carla is no longer transitioning, she has completely become an entire cunt.
>>82433342
Cerebus would disagree with you.
>>82433415
Of course they would, they're a self-perpetuated victim and actual lunatic.
>>82406288
>Willis's children grow up and eventually rebel against him by becoming responsible, ambitious, productive members of society.
>They further this rebellion and contrarian attitude by attempting to maintain a healthy relationship with their parents, despite their father's disposition.
Please let this be a thing.
>>82433342
>Carla is no longer transitioning, she has completely become an entire cunt
Too badhe'll never one for himself
I honestly hope that this ends in Mary's death or otherwise permanent disfigurement, given Willis' No Death policy for DoA.
Why would I wish this on the only decent character in the comic?
Because it would put Willis in a corner in which his characters are reprehensible and unforgivable monsters who continue their daily lives as if nothing bad had ever happened to a person that they knew; worse yet if said characters were directly involved in whatever happens.
>>82433596
>impying these nutcases would do anything but praise willis for killing/mutilating someone
It'd help if he'd actually show what Mary is doing to take advantage of the situation like she's implying. All she ever wanted was to study in peace without a retarded tranny harassing her and everyone in the dorm. Presumably, she has that now? Has she been trying to throw massive parties all year but mean Ruth kept stopping her? Mary "winning" is merely Ruth doing her job and Mary getting nothing but a proper shot at an education.
>>82433646
A fair point.
But the seed is sure to be planted in their mind that the DoA cast are all complacent in this act of violence. Sort of like the beginning of a horror movie where a bunch of teens run over a guy and then make a blood pact not to talk about it, even after the guy comes back to life and starts killing them all.
>>82433685
That's probably the most egregious thing about it. Mary is being treated like Literally Hitler, but the worst thing she did was magically out a transsexual who had, prior to that moment, never let on in any capacity about their genetic makeup. Hell, objectively, the worst that she did was get glue on Carla's skates.
These threads always remind me that DoA has elements worth salvaging, if only somebody could distract Willis long enough that somebody else could wipe the website clean and begin again from the ground up.
>>82433685
She did try to get that bible study going with Ruth which had minimal turn out and fell apart immediately because "who gives a fuck" writing ended that conflict with no pay off. Now it should just be Ruth dealing with her own issues and Mary being by herself studying as the blackmail is gone and Ruth is to busy to pursue revenge.
Doubt it will ever happen, but:
I'd like to see a Bisexual, Lesbian, or Gay character introduced who also happens to have very conservative, traditionalist views in general.
Maybe they're Christian and strive to be virtuous, maybe they're gay but are vocally against SJW shenanigans, maybe they'd be like Mary and call other characters out on their two faced actions.
I dunno, just some character where you can't just go ahead and write them off as "wrong" the second they voice a dissenting opinion.
>>82433646
>Mary is horrifically injured by Ruth and Carla's revenge scheme
>every so often we are shown Mary's attempts at recovery
>as the strips progress it becomes clearer and clearer that Mary was permanently disabled by their revenge and will never return to anything approaching normal
>eventually strips featuring Mary will be nothing but four panels of her weeping softly surrounded by pictures of her former life
>>82433823
Was there even a resolution to the whole Carla thing? Or is that what this mad scientist Carla revenge panel is leading to? Did he ever show Ruth telling Carla to tone it down or anything? If Mary is seemingly content, I can only assume Carla has not continued to be a cunt, and if Ruth is seemingly being forced to do her job, I can only assume that she is somehow preventing Carla from being obnoxious any further for the time being (though that seems to be because Carla is busy planning to be super obnoxious very soon), but as I've said, I can only assume all of it because Willis won't show it.
Instead of showing any of it, he keeps skipping around to all the other characters' wacky adventures while the ones not shown continue off panel.
>>82433815
>I dunno, just some character where you can't just go ahead and write them off as "wrong" the second they voice a dissenting opinion.
Sure you can, it's called internalized bigotry.
>>82433730
>These threads always remind me that DoA has elements worth salvaging, if only somebody could distract Willis long enough that somebody else could wipe the website clean and begin again from the ground up.
Out of all things, DoA makes me want to write fanfic the most because it's very clear there is a foundation for a good drama/soap opera.
>>82433904
I hope Mary will merely be psychologically scarred and become a creepy goth girl.
>>82433963
>a creepy goth girl.
Ostro or Visi?
>>82433963
Goths 4 Jesus would be interesting. Kinda weird to balance the darkness that consumes the world angle with the bright and glorious afterlife promise
![2016-01-23-antagonize[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ziVESol.png "2016-01-23-antagonize[1].png")
>>82433930
>Did he ever show Ruth telling Carla to tone it down or anything?
Nope! She was right to be an asshole! Because everyone else is one (despite the fact that they're not at all).
>>82434138
Christian goths were a thing. I say "were" because goth in general is dying out.
>>82434138
Obviously her faith would have to be broken before she lets the darkness consume her. I mean, for the best revenge against her, you have to destroy the one thing she loves; her religion.
>>82431486
This is pandering to his commenters.
>>82431486
Also, who gets busted for language in a dorm?
Just confirmed with my wife who graduated from the very school this takes place in that it's not a thing.
>>82434298
I bet Willis whacks off to the idea of this every night while he's in the cuckshed.
>>82411829
I believe the word you're looking for is just SJ. Social Justice itself is not evil, but the "warrior" part is ehat ruins things for people. Especially since the "warrior" part is a reference to "keyboard warrior".
>>82434336
>implying he isn't in permanent chastity
>implying his children weren't conceived using a turkey baster, test tube, and cattle prod
>implying his wife even allows him the dignity of a cuckshed
>>82408437
Social Justice, minus the warrior part. Unsurprisingly, the biggest enemies of Social Justice happen to be their biggest proponents.
>>82428743
I love Wondermark
>>82424836
mr Buzzword reporting in
>>82431486
Nice IED you're working on there, Carla.
>>82434440
That's a bit of an oversimplification of the history of fairy tales. Disney toned down the violence, but stuck close to the spirit of them as morality tales.
>>82435122
Mr. Buzzfeed, more like
>>82431486
Figure B reminds me how dumb uses of trampolines result in broken legs. I can hear the rubbery jiggle of feet hanging off bone.
>>82411456
>>82431486
>willis thinks carla is the hero
>everyone in his comments section is rooting for her
>they can't wait for her elaborate supervillain plan
>they pray for her to succeed in inflicting horrible violence on another person
this is perfect
>character is a reasonable portrayal of values opposite those of the author
>some of the people reading the comic sympathize with the character
>the character magically turns into a villainous caricature of him or herself
I love it when this happens
>>82436410
>the character magically turns into a villainous caricature of him or herself
but she isn't a villain
>>82436551
you don't have to be a villain to be villainous
>>82436576
She is to Willis
>>82436561
she's not villainous either
she's heroically standing up to a violent drunk
>>82436591
sure
he's just wrong
>>82436596
We can see that, but Willis doesn't.
>>82424836
>Everydayfeminism
That website is seriously unbelievable
Every article reads like a parody.
>>82431959
>Willis still hasn't explained how Mary totally definitely knew Carla was trans
Sometimes you can tell by looking.
>>82433415
Cerebus can lick my ass.
>>82436354
I got in a "discussion" with some fans that maybe, just maybe, verbal "slurs" aren't equatable with actual violence, and that maybe a key component of stamping out bigotry should be waving off "slurs" or treating them as ignorant bile by ignorant people, i.e. beneath notice. In summation, I was told that I was wrong, that it was the most "horrible thing you can do to a trans person", that treating it as frivolous is the same as "driving on the sidewalk and expecting people you've hit to walk it off", etc.
And this kind of shit is what I'm afraid of. It's a fucking slippery slope wherein nutcase SJWs will see "bigotry = actual violence", and therefore justify violence as legitimate eye-for-eye "justice".
>>82437560
>SEXUAL HARASSMENT! YOU HEARD HIM, THE FUCKING CIS-SCUM MAN!
>He wants me to lick his ass!
>Do you know what kind of DISTRESS this puts on me?!
>I'm literally balled up in a corner crying.
>This is literally the WORST feeling anybody could inflict on anybody else!
>>82433775
It wasn't even a Bible study - she just wanted Ruth to say a prayer at the meeting that was meant to help everyone in the dorm deal with the whole "armed gunman" thing that happened a few days ago.
>>82434167
Christ, that whole strip was so stupid
>I don't have to be nice to people, because I'm trans!
>Also, I'll guilt trip you, even though nothing bad has ever happened to me before now
>>82434332
I'd imagine that it'd be a slap on the wrist i.e. you'd probably have to be sent to somebody above the R.A., who'd tell you to maybe not use phrases like that
>>82435739
I appreciate the allure of MaryxCarla, but there's something about MaryxBillie that I like.I suppose the fact that I'm not into futa probably has something to do with it.
>>82431486
MAKE MORE EDITS
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Usually the MSPaintretard challenge is to make the characters sound more human, but because Mary is already best character, the challenge was to make her sound more "symbolic", like a comic book character
be gentle /co/
>>82425687
No, she's worse.
>>82438412
That's literally already happening though.
Some girl got a bottle of piss dumped on her because she was saying some shit about genders and rape culture that didn't align with the SJW hivemind in public. People were treating that as a legit totally not insane response to an opinion they didn't like, because apparently words = assault, so assault in retaliation is perfectly a-ok and even JUSTICE to them.
>>82438412
This argument actually makes me mad.
Ok, I get that being misgendered as trans person can have incredibly negative conotations. Trans people tend to not be all there mentally in the first place (it comes with the territory) and someone calling you out on it might be harmful mentally or cause you some grief or fear of violence or something. Gotcha.
Violence is an actual physical assult. Words have a meaning. Don't just...change the definition of a word to make how it makes you feel seem more poignant. The difference is, violence is universal. Words are situational. If someone called me a faggot, I wouldn't give a shit. If someone broke my knees, me, and basically every person with working knees would feel the same pain.
>>82439095
The Steven Universe fandom on Tumblr drove an artist to a suicide attempt last year with regular bullying, and some dipshit defended it by saying that the artist's problematic art made them feel unsafe, and therefore it's a-okay to drive them to suicide. If you've ever seen the art, it's really fucking ludicrous that anybody would be that offended by it. It's run of the mill stuff like 'drew Rose Quartz too thin' and 'made a humanized Garnet look white'.
>>82439312
The scary thing about tumblr is the fact that anyone who believes that they're in the right and that it legitimizes their awful actions. Like that's the same mentality of evangelical christians and serial killers. "Oh they deserved it, so it's fine to be horrible to them". Fuck that mentality. You can't preach peace and love and act like you give a shit about people's mental state and then bully people who don't agree with you to such an extent that they try to take their own life or fall into a depression. And I've seen it happen to multiple people.
>>82418941
Rob was basically the CoD babby who worked in the game store with Ethan. He was in the strip to mock the obnoxious shooter fan, but he was so friendly and happy to talk about games with friends that he was immediately more sympathetic than every other characterexcept maybe Lucas, who realized he's surrounded by shitty people and that there's no escape
>>82439487
They care about the 'right' sort of people -- again, like evangelical Christians or any garden-variety bigot. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.
>>82411864
>Mary is also a classic bigot asshole though
she only even gave shit to Carla because she was giving shit to her. Why is that wrong?
>>82438812
Also, make even more edits!
>>82438812
>Because that's what heroes do: make peace and drink soda.
Inspirational as fuck.
>>82431486
Too bad Carla just horrifically burned his right hand, by holding that work piece while welding it (with a somehow curved electrode). He's not even welding anything together! He's just burning an electrode on the end of a piece of metal.
>>82440733
>>82441080
I learn so much from these threads... it's beautiful.
>>82440439
Having Mary do a kind of clever gender-based insult that you could misinterpret lowers the impact. It's still bad, but added to the fact that Carla's trans status has been talked around in the comic made a lot of people miss what was going on, and then have to react to the charged explanation given in ancillary stuff and reactions.
Part of it is he's trying to be 'subtle' (don't show, don't tell), but another part is that he's scared to offend his audience. He even closed comments on the "boys' dorm" strip to avoid any drama. It would've been so much better if there was an earlier or intermediate strip where you introduce Mary finding out that Carla was trans, or how she feels about it. Maybe establish some real antagonism, cause since that one moment she hasn't continued to antagonize Carla, in fact it's been just the opposite.
The whole thing ends up seeming like Mary was stressed about a test and reacted as such to someone making too much noise for her to study in peace. Especially, since she hasn't really done anything to Carla since then. Also, having her blackmail be "you're shitty at your job" to a bad RA who deserves it is not going to make her look terrible, even if the language she uses is fucked up. At the very least, if Mary is now in blackmailing crusade mode, you'd think you could show her trying to get to Carla more, or even just have Carla say 'Mary's been on my ass since that day' or something. Instead Willis has her giving 'villain speeches' while doing nothing out of the ordinary.
>>82431486
The really stupid thing about this is that RA girl has nothing to fear.
It's not generally illegal or even all that frowned upon for an RA to date a student. They're not in control of their grades, they're not really in a real position of power over them, and they're usually in the same age-range.
The whole situation could never work in the real world. There'd be no reason for RA girl to not report everything Mary does or says. I guess Mary could claim she's a drunk, but it's her word against the RA's at that point, and the rest of the dorm clearly isn't going to be backing her up.
>>82441631
>Mary's been on my ass since that day
I would read that fanfic.
>>82422356
>Chris Rock did a bit about it too.
Link please
Every-time he tries to vilify Mary she ends up being the most sensible character.and cutest
>>82441631
Yeah, if the Willis I remember tackled this story arc today, he'd at least show Mary trying to flex her blackmailing muscles and exert more influence over the dorm. Maybe have some sudents complain only for Ruth to catch sight of Mary smirking in the background and brush their complaints aside with a feeble excuse.
>>82441658
Really? I was under the impression that an R.A. having a relationship with a student crossed at least one line
>>82441658
It's against Indiana U's regulations, but the point is valid.
What is funny about the whole situation is that there's no real reason why Ruth is clinging so hard to this RA job. She hates doing it, she's not fit for work for *many* reasons, and regardless of Willis's throwaway excuse of Ruth being 'the only decent candidate', I bet that whoever replaces her would at least be sober.
It all speaks of obsession with the position over sense, and Ruth probably needs to see a shrink. Except that, you know, Willis prefers to have his mentally ill characters run around in superhero costumes rather than doing the sensible thing and getting help.
>>82441986
Okay, so we have...
>Ethan, who put himself BACK in the closet, because reasons
>Joyce, who was almost raped AND shot on two non-consecutive occasions, being told to hold her anger in check so that Becky, the most overtly blasé and "I don't give a fuck" of Willis' characters, doesn't have any negative repercussions
>Amber, who was traumatised by being involved in a violent robbery and immediately mocked by her own father for not doing anything AND stabbed the would-be robber in the hand immediately afterwards, creating another persona that almost got her killed in The Car Chase That Physics Forgot, and is pushing aside everyone who cares about her because she hasn't discussed the aforementioned robbery with anyone
>Ruth, who is a violent, drunken bully that holds onto a job she hates for no reason other than it gives her power, and basically dragged another student she victimised for no damn reason into a suicide pact... with sexy results!
>>82442180
>Joyce, who was almost raped AND shot on two non-consecutive occasions
Don't forget that they took place in the same fortnight, because Willis cannot into pacing!
>>82409148
why the fuck did this comment get deleted?
why?
it's literally someone pointing out earlier plot details from the comic.
jesus fucking christ, mods
>>82420897
we do exist, you know
>>82433904
I still don't get why Sierra was the straw that broke the camel's back, here. Mary wouldn't have even bothered with finding out about Dorothy's atheism if she hadn't first freaked out that oh my god oh dear lord this broad ain't wearing any SHOES!
>>82427845
For a pleb, she has a surprisingly patrician sense of humor
Unrelatedly, someone call NASA, they can see my sides with the Hubble Telescope
>>82442180
You missed Danny needing therapy so he can cope with his newfound bisexuality, Walky needing tutoring help and Sarah being a friendless hermit who can't make positive relationships
It really does piss me off that Willis more or less ignores how fundamentally broken and in need of help his characters are.
I mean, I'm not against characters being self destructive. Mountain Goat's Alpha Couple does it right and it's beautiful. But the Alpha Couple sticks to its guns about how terrible they are, while Willis wants to have his tragic characters and his quirky college students at the same time.
>>82441631
They're not even villain speeches, they're mostly just smug chiding.
>>82441658
Depends on the university, I know mine didn't allow RA's to date people they were in charge of. They also didn't allow booze in the dorms, violence against students, and underage drinking either.
>>82441684
http://pastebin.com/Npa9rVY8
>>82441658
>The really stupid thing about this is that RA girl has nothing to fear.
Except that she's a blatant alcoholic on a dry campus who has provided liquor to an underage student.
>>82442647
This is my favorite so far, good job
>>82443729
If I had to guess why Willis doesn't write any good college characters who are in control of their life, it's because he doesn't know what that looks like.
Mike was the closest thing, but he doesn't show up anymore.
Why is Willis defending his comment sections misogyny?
http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/143797749267/fifthfiend-here-are-some-dumbing-of-age
>>82443729
>needing therapy
Wait, when did they establish that?
>>82446604
Eh, I sort of speculated on that. At the very least, he does seem pretty insecure about his attraction to guys
>>82446955
He should at least look into maybe some on-campus counselling or support groups.
>>82446955
Yeah, that's one of the plot threads I'd like to see resolved. I predict now that he's single he's going to act on his feelings for Ethan, which isgreat.I'll bedelightedif Willis ever dares to go full homo instead of focusing on chicks.
>>82447194
Has he gone back to the LGBTBBBQ awareness meetings?
>>82446235
>>82446318
>Deleting your comment to make a more clickbaity line.
Really? Willis is dumb, but that's pretty stupid too.
>>82447605
Well... shit.
>>82444549
>http://pastebin.com/Npa9rVY8
Excellent.
>>82431668
she must be stopped
>>82442509
lol what the hell is this image? did she get into a fight with aaron diaz too?
>>82449672
Of course she did. Aaron Diaz is a loudmouthed SJW cartoonist too, and pleb's purpose in comics in mocking those.
>>82438412
Sometimes people get so obsessed over micro-aggressions they lose sight or ignore when a macro-aggression occurs.
I don't know, it just seems like there's some circles who think two wrongs do indeed make a right.
>>82439095
>Don't just...change the definition of a word to make how it makes you feel seem more poignant.
Unfortunately leftists have already been doing this. Racism has been reinterpreted to require institutional power even though the term institutional racism/oppression already encompasses that concept just fine.
>>82405026
This is not a charade, it's a enigma
I thought I'd finally get in on this edit dealio.
>>82454142
Mary called Ruth Mary?
