Does /co/ want Frozen 2 to be about lesbians?
>>82389667
So like the first one?
>>82389667
I want Frozen 2 to actually be about Elsa doing stuff this time, instead of running away and looking stressed out for most her screen time.
I don't know if I want to bet on how Disney will handle her being explicitly homosexual, but I'd be happy with any slight implications for the fans to gazillions of art for me to oggle at.
uh i think it's a bit late in frozen 2's development for that, m8's
>>82389667
No.
If Disney wants to do an LGBT movie they should make it unambiguous from the beginning that the character is homosexual.
I haven't even seen Frozen, and I know that 4chan and tumblr looooooooooove their guilty pleasure incest ships, but it's really really REALLY becoming sad that a movie can't feature love between sisters without it being fetishized or appropriated by crusading tumblrinas or SJWs.
I don't want a Frozen 2. The first one was boring and bland.
>>82389667
>1 in 5 people are queer
That seems fake.
I want it to be a good story, I don't want it having lesbians in it as a substitute for actual substance.
Pic
Fucking
Related
>>82389667
but what about the queer guys?
>>82389863
...this pic I mean
>>82389826
Naw man, they'll go the hack way like Rowling and Bryke and announce they were gay only after the movie is out of theaters.
>>82389858
Because it is fucking fake. It's generous saying 5% are queer
Oh and look all the other princesses are brown and this is being pushed by white women. /pol/ was right
>>82389858
Probably true if you use tumblr definitions of queer.
So
>I had a homosexual relations once
queer.
>I kissed someone of the same sex once
queer.
>I jerked off to tranny porn once
queer.
>>82389667
what's lgbt?
There are better characters that need to be in a relationship. Pic Related
>>82389950
Acronym for Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender.
>>82389667
>Disney
>Company that feeds on international, all-ages, all-everything appeal
>Ever producing a LGBT movie
>Animated no less
Reminds me of when some journalist asked JJ Abrams "could the new SW feature some queer characters?" and he said "uh, maybe, these movies are inclusive of course" and so every article about it started screaming "YAY DISNEY IS GONNA GIVE US GAY PEOPLE FOR SURE THIS TIME"
>>82389950
Liquid Gas Bulbous Tank. It describes the shape of most tumblrites.
>>82390000
I thought gays had been kicked off the movement for being too privileged?
>>82389667
I'm up for lesbians, but make it something new. Frozen was boring as shit and that wouldn't make it anymore interesting.
>>82390077
I remember hearing something like that. Nice double dubs.
>>82390026
Starwars has multiple examples of different alien races, who may not even have male/female/other sexs, falling in love and fucking each other.
But even thats not enough for SJWs.
>>82389667
>but just imagine a biracial queer princess couple
It feels like I'm reading people asking for rule 34 pics to satisfy their fetishes
Why do people care about this shit? Ethnicity or sexual orientation shouldn't even effect the narrative of an animated movie aimed at children
>>82389667
Sure
>>82390196
Yeah, I agree ethnicity and sexual orientation shouldn't matter, so everyone should be white and straight.
>>82389667
You know, I'm gay, and sometimes I just wish we could go back to that late-90s/early-2000s period, where it was just be gay, know you're an abnormal minority that the majority of humanity cannot and will not accept, and enjoy the benefit of being tolerated and left alone that western civilization allows.
I hate that now all this bullshit is making homophobia come back two fold. The vast majority of my friends and family growing up did not care about homosexuals. They weren't for or against, they weren't morally outraged or socially supportive, they simply didn't care. It was of no concern to them. But now damn near all of them cringe the moment they hear about it now. They're so sick and tired of hearing about gays and trannies that they want to actively campaign against them.
Sexuality, gay or otherwise, has no place in a children's movie.
>>82390256
thanks for putting those words in my mouth
>>82389667
As long as it's Elsa/Anna scissoring eachother
>>82390000
the fuck
so they want a princess who's a lesbian
but also likes guys
and is a transgender
and they want 'her' to be the ice queen
>>82390256
They probably should be. Just look at the MCU everybody is straight and white with a few Black bff's thrown in and everyone loves it. Meanwhile fatdike Ghostbusters is hated by all
>>82389667
I would literally write Elsa into a gangbang scene where she takes 50 loads on her face willingly just to piss them off.
>People assume Elsa is gay
These will be the same people who think her and Anna have a romantic relationship. It's quite sickening
>>82389720
Underrated post
>>82389858
It is fake. About 5% of the US population identifies as Homosexual according to the census. They (SJWs) used a small poll, that included only Tumblr users, to show that heterosexuals are outnumbered by non-straight people.
The problem with Elsa being gay is that everyone just wants to pair her with her sisters and that is just too extreme for a Disney film.
>>82389667
Children's cartoons are not, and have not been since World War 2, a vehicle for any political agenda. Keep that shit out of children's cartoons.
>>82390594
BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, THOSE PEOPLE ARE JUST AFRAID TO COME OUT TO THE CENSUS TAKERS!!!Don't ban me mods, I'm just joking.
It's a shame that Disney is even doing theatrical sequels. I kind of liked Disney's integrity to not milk franchises (in the theater at least) it added a degree of pedigree to their films. As far as I can tell Rescuers is the only Disney property to get a theatrical sequel and I liked it that way.
>>82390403
this
I don't want Frozen 2.
>>82389667
Well I'd say that Moana is probably a shot at drawing the diversity crowd, which I'm fine with on account of not giving one damn about the film. Hopefully it comes across in a very natural and organic way like Zootopia did. But if it was hamfisted as hell then I still wouldn't care.
If Frozen 2 goes for the LGBT bucks then all I can say is I'm glad they're doing it with Frozen instead of making Judy Hopps a lesbian.
>Elsa
>Princess
She's a Queen
Fuck Frozen 2
>>82390444
Not sure if joking. LGBT is the umbrella term for those groups or their members. You don't apply all four labels to any one person (at least in theory).
>>82390600
The way I see it, all cartoons should be nihilistic and apolitical like Seinfeld. Any media that expresses any form of morality should not be tolerated
>>82390594
Well, that would be correct if you include anyone not absolutely, exclusively heterosexual.
If you would consider a pretty tranny for a second, you're in that number.
>>82389667
Twitter hashtags are newsworthy in the UK?
>>82389920
Didn't further analysis place the real number at maybe around 1 or so percent? Even lower than previous estimates, if I remember right.
>>82390026
>implying
>>82390447
>Meanwhile fatdike Ghostbusters is hated by all
>Everyone praised the movie when the cast was announced because DIVERSITY!
>Now everyone, SJWs included, hate it because the only black chick is a stereotypical, ignorant "HEWLL NAW" black chick
At our local Comicon there were some big balloons with the Ghostbusters symbol to promote the movie. The one in the middle of the convention kept losing air and fall over, so the employers had to bring it up in place and refill it over and over again. At some point i saw a bunch of them standing around it, keeping it up with their hands otherwise it'd fall again. I took that as a metaphor/prophecy for the movie's destiny
>>82389667
SHE'S NOT A PRINCESS SHE'S A QUEEN
REEEEEE
>>82389667
if lesbian and queer should accept their sexuality so should pedos so why not make her a pedo instead
>>82390766
that was what Bing Bong was
Disney doesn't have the balls. They might want to put lesbians into their movies, but they're worried about the response from fundies. Same goes for a lot of other companies.
>>82390638
I think current Disney is more trustworthy with sequels than, say, back when direct-to-dvd trash was their low budget bread and butter. A theatrical release actually has to do well and is of much higher risk, so there's solid incentive to make it actually good. And frankly Disney's been impressing lately on that front.
>>82390600
For one you are wrong, because all cartoons have a general moral lesson and all political decisions are based on moral assumptions. Two, featuring a lesbian is only a political stance because there's a faction of people who don't think they should exist. In a perfect world featuring a lesbian character would be no more political than featuring a heterosexual character but the only way to normalize such a world is to introduce more lgbt characters.
now you say something about degeneracy
>>82389667
I want Frozen 2 to be about Elsa being asexual and showing people that you don't need to have a boyfriend/girlfriend to be happy in life. I want her to gain better control over her powers, to make her a strong, capable yet approachable leader that cares about her people and kingdom. A leader that is willing to use her powers to protect her people. Making her a positive female role model like that will teach children a far more beneficial and lasting lesson than "Fuck who you want to fuck when you become an adult."
>>82390861
See I kind of always respected the direct-to-video choice because it didn't try to dress up the sequel as a artistic work. They were cash grabs and they were honest about it. Most theatrical sequels are cash grabs dressed as artistic outings.
>Script being worked on
>most approved ideas are as following
>Loli Elsa Adventure
>Elsa falling for a scrawny, clumsy squire
>Elsa traveling to Tangle-ville, seeing how the world views her powers
>Elsa disappearing with Anna and Olaf looking for her (again)
>tfw lgbt Elsa fags are actually making the writers/heads turn away from that shit
>>82390752
>>82390752
I'm holding out hope for Ghostbusters 2016. I like Paul Feig and Melissa McCarthy but I dislike Kristen Wiig. Honestly, Paul Feig is a great choice to direct a Ghostbusters film because the tone of Bridesmaids and The Heat is very similar to the style of the original Ghostbusters. I want the tone of the film to be closer to the original Ghostbusters rather than Ghostbusters 2 or the cartoon series because Ghostbusters 1 was a sex comedy with supernatural theming whereas the sequels and cartoons were wacky supernatural media first and character-based on a lesser extent.
Basically, if Ghostbusters 3 ends with one of the women getting a blowjob from a ghost then I'll consider it a worthy reboot.
>>82390907
shes already a real character matey. they want her to be turned gay for political reasons
>>82389667
Sure, I welcome Elsa's new gender and egalitarian sexual preference. I hope the WHOLE MOVIE revolves around her discovering himself.
>>82390848
It's not up to Disney to promote anything except themselves. It has nothing to do with "Having the balls" and everything to do with what makes them money
>>82390907
>because there's a faction of people who don't think they should exist.
...and maybe, just maybe, there's a faction of people that accepts lesbians but don't think they have a place in family-media? Some people accept polygamy, should the next Frozen make Elsa marry two people?
>>82389667
>let's change the focus from a good movie to a lesbian one.
Just watch lesbian porn for fucks sake.
>>82390907
They only assume shes gay because they think she wanted to fuck her sister. You do know that don't you?
>>82390996
>real character
wew that sounds retarded. She is fictional, so she's not inherently straight or inherently gay. Like all fictional characters she's subject to where the story takes her. Nothing about her sexuality was explicitly mentioned so it's fair game for the writers.
>>82391079
Then you don't accept lesbians, or at least you don't accept them in the capacity that they would like to be accepted. For the most part lesbians would like to be seen as normal relationships that children do not need to be shielded from. If you 'accept' lesbians but don't think they're something children should know about, than you probably still see them as a sexual taboo.
Applied to a real life scenario, how would you react to your child meeting a friend with two mothers? If you don't want your child seeing lesbians on screen surely you wouldn't want your child to meet them in person. Thus you are still ostracizing them rather than accepting them.
>>82390919
You're living in the wrong era. People give zero fucks about being a responsible adult. The majority of the population possess the "Let someone else do it" mentality. Leadership characters are seen as a negative thing unless they're portrayed as a minority.
>>82391103
Honestly any major character without an explicit hetero love interest will be pushed as gay by these groups. I won't pretend that they don't see homosexuality everywhere. Yet it does not invalidate the idea that making a character homosexual would be a step in insuring the next generations see homosexuality as a accepted and normal thing.
>>82391079
>there's a faction of people that accepts lesbians but don't think they have a place in family-media?
Sounds like some pretty heavy doublethink you're engaging in there.
>>82389667
>1 in 5 kids are queer
Literally no kids are queer. Kids do not have sexual attraction. They're kids. How delusional are these people?
I saw the hashtag trending on Twitter last night. I really wouldn't have cared if they made her a lesbian, but now if it happens, it'll just come across as pandering instead of being a surprise
>>82389667
I'd be ok with this honestly.
>1 in 5 kids are "queer"
Bullshit. though theyre probably going with some stupidly broad term.
>>82391253
Actually no. Thrusting homosexuality down kids' throats will just confuse them and have them misunderstanding how the world works. This world is already confusing but progressivists think it's a good idea to introduce all this alternative sexuality nonsense.
>>82389667
Why is LGBT "representation" in mainstream, Hollywood-run mass media with explicit mercenary interests so important? Can anybody kindly explain my third-world self how heterosexuality became so passé in the first world?
>>82391185
i dont take that attitude that you can make a fictional character do whatever you want and rather take their actual character at face value. i know it goes part and parcel with you depression posters.
when you write things that way, characters and things from fiction are basically just props to act out your fantasies. you want to see a gay fantasy and someone else with your attitude could write a completely different Frozen fantasy.
if you want a Frozen 2, you should probably ask the actual writers to come up with what happens if you want something decent.
>>82389667
not if it doesnt make sense. Disney wont do it though.. even if the static saying 1 in 5 people are gay is true, thats saying you're only going to appeal to 1 out of 5 of the people going to see this movie. they want little girls all over the world to want to be these queens/princesses, they want the majority, not the minority to identify with their characters so they'll beg mommy and daddy to buy Frozen breakfast cereal, band aids, and yard grade garbage bags.
>>82391282
https://youtu.be/ymIyrsniR6A?t=40
>>82391381
Virtue signaling, peaceful times, and guilt.
Also something something oy vey etc.
>>82391381
Two words: Anita Sarkeesian
>>82389667
If Elsa was gay that would be funny because the whole first movie was
"She's a witch! Get her!"
And then the next is
"She's gay! Get her!"
Of course they could just have her just be casually gay without conflict to the plot. It wouldn't be realistic but eh fiction should be able to get away with it
>>82389810
This. I want her to shine more and not to be a crybaby.
>>82389863
>I want it to be a good story
We can't have those anymore. Any work of fiction made in this era must be Diversity first, storytelling second. And works made earlier must be reworked to reflect this new era and not their own.
Authors and producers will have to coat their works with "body-positive" brown transwomen if they want their stories to sell. Writing for art's sake will be reduced to a niche. Because Sarkeesian forbid fiction is fictional and not representative.
>>82391185
The thing is, this thing is more complicated than anyone likes to admit. Yes, our society was built on heteronormativity. Yes, because of that, because of the mechanics of our human relations, i have an hard time putting LGBT people on the pedestal some of them wish. I don't want kids to approach the subject for the very same reason i don't want them to approach sex in general!
And before you ask, yes, gay relationships eventually lead to talk of sexuality. Think about it, kids do not ask themselves where they come from because they just know of the simple equation "mom + dad = me"
When presented with the idea of "mom + mom" or "dad + dad" they'd inevitably ask: why? And you'd have to say "because some people think different!", but different from what? Kids see relationships as a proto-marriage, they see them in their most simple form, family making, if the family is supposedly out of question then things obviously get weird for them...
I mean, i'm not trying to play psychologist here, it's just the perspective i've built for myself, i don't want to explain to a kid why Elsa kissed Anna for the same reason i'd prefer him not to explain why Michael Jackson turned himself white (i know, weird example), or why that one guy married two or more chicks, if it's out of the norm then it's hard to normalize it in such ignorant eyes without bringing in further confusion. It's the same reason why i'd avoid engaging in religious talk with a kid, some ideas are meant to be explored further down the line
I do not hate gays, trannies are more hard of a deal, but i have no problem with homosexuality, it existed since dawn of time after all. But that doesn't mean that aspect of reality suddenly has to invade every aspect of our society. It's not either "make everything gay" or "gas the gays!", there's a middle ground
>>82391253
I realize that, but what can i say, it's a complicated matter and it's hypocritical to think that only an extreme opinion on it can exist
>>82389667
No because...
>>82389826
I agree with this 100%. The original theme of Frozen was "don't trust Prince Charming just because he's good looking" and what do we get? People basically praising the movie for two good looking people interacting in a way they can masturbate too.
Also it's a damn kids movie. Being a lesbian is about having sex with a fucking women. It automatically implies sex and Disney sells sex to kids, but they're always subtle about it at least. Classy at least. This is outright sexual perversion and like you anon said, it's fucking sad and pathetic that we can't just have a story about two sisters or two guys being friends without endless insisting that they're fucking each other. And sexual perversion deviates from anything of actual substance? It basically becomes porn, when the plot isn't what you came to see.
I wish society would learn how to keep their genitals in their pants again.
Oh and we're never going to get actual, dyke, mean, rude cunt lesbians. Nope. We'll get the pretty, sexy kind that only exists in our sexual fantasies. So all in all it's still all about sex and who's attractive, not even about "diversity" or whatever spin they try to put on it.
>>82391391
In what part of the first movie did Elsa tell you she was straight? In which scene did the collection of pixels, voice acting, and script scream to you that she likes boys? Any good writer understands that fictional characters are at the whim of the story and only through execution can they seem to become real to the audience. People who think characters are inherently real create the sad works of the big 2 comics.
Anyway this operates under the assumption that writes can't produce good work on the suggestions of fans. Yet that isn't inherently true, especially considering the subject matter is controversial. If I'm a writers on Frozen 2 and I see that there's fans interested in seeing a lesbian Elsa, it may give me and the investors courage in exploring a story they otherwise would have felt to too scared to produce.
>>82389667
no
JUST NO
NEEDS MORE DEATH METAL "LET IT GO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtkGluLhnGU
>>82389821
I'm FUCKING ANGURRY
>>82391381
the kids grew up learning about women's suffrage and african american rights movements, which were pretty amazing accomplishments. Now that they've grown up, they suddenly feel the need to participate in their own social rights movements, no matter how petty it really seems.
>>82389821
IM FUCKING MAD
>>82389821
motherFUCKER
>>82390026
Nigga you dumb.
There's nothing adult about a girl getting together with a girl instead of a boy and I'm pretty sure JJ straight up said we're getting a gay SW character at some point.
Fifteen years ago I was convinced that this homosexuality thing was just a fad that would eventually pass. Now it's being accepted. We've come too far. We can't go back to the old ways. Our world has been corrupted permanently and there's nothing anyone can do now except bomb everything and start from zero.
>>82391381
It became a market. Seriously. Any feminist can write some shallow drivel into an article, give it a clickbait title and post it on kotaku or jezebel or themarysue or cracked and make enough chas to live off it for at least a few weeks, by which time they'll have their next piece of agitprop ripe and ready to upload.
Or ask for betabucks on Patreon.
That's why I doubt we'll see the end of this SJW Era. It pays too good to end. That's also why more and more creators are turning to the tumblr crowd.
>>82391671
We have had C-3P0 since the beginning
>>82391608
MUH NIGGA
THIS IS PERFECT
I want my daughters to be lesbians but not support gay men or trannies
>>82391671
Has there ever been a gay SW character? It's so weird to think of sexuality in the SW universe. I think it's because the most notable romance in SW I can think of is Anakin and that girl I can't remember the name of from the Prequels, and that was BLAND
>>82391727
Han and Leia's romance in Empire is 10/10, and that's reasonably saucy.
>>82389667
I'm conflicted, I don't want the SJWs to win, but my fetishes betray me
>>82391727
You mean Padme?
luke and leas mother?
>>82391684
Its becoming modern age Sodom and Gommorah, the fire storm will be everyone getting nuked by a natural disaster of the folly of humans
>>82391727
I wonder how my dad will react.
>>82391770
That's the one. yeah, her and Anakin had NO chemistry. I think it turned me off to the idea of SW characters being sexual at all
>>82389667
It will never, ever happen. Disney markets their films around the world and dubs them into every language. The majority of the planet still doesn't want homosexuality anywhere near them, much less their children.
>>82391727
>Has there ever been a gay SW character?
Does ti really matter? Theres different alien species lusting after each other and fucking each other with their weird alien species genders and genitals.
Does it even matter if somebodys homosexual in an intergalactic setting? I dont think anybody would care.
>>82389667
I want Frozen 2 to never exist
>>82390184
Because SJWs don't care about fantasy. If they did, they'd actually read all the comic books and play all the video games they love protesting. They are a remarkably unimaginative and dull people.
>>82389667
>let's shoehorn this in for the sake of being "progressive"
Yeah let's not
These people missed the entire point of the movie and just want to get their fucking grubby mits on something popular to push their shitty agenda
>>82391799
We had a flim about racism when most of the world is still pretty racist.
Why not m8
>>82391671
You don't get it. See >>82391799, i guess it's more clear
Now, we might discuss the morals of such an environment, but good or not this is the reality we live in
>>82391839
Zootopia is actually about how all the SJWs are secretly the majority and their war on masculinity will tear society apart. It's pretty obvious (if you have a working brain)
>elsa with a brown muslim girl
Absolutley haram.
>1 in 5 kids are queer
Yeah and 1 in 3 statistics are made up.
>>82391918
More like absolutely harem
I'm sick of SJWs demanding people pander to them. They're essentially puting Disney in an uncomfortable position, where they either have to do this or else they're bigots and they'll be bombarded with internet activism.
Make your own fucking children's cartoons. Don't demand other people make your fan fiction canon.
>>82391905
Only Angry Birds can save us now
>>82391585
>Being a lesbian is about having sex with a fucking women.
Not any more than being straight, and theres plenty of straight couples. Disney movies always have "love" without having to strongly imply sex
>>82391381
>Why is LGBT "representation" in mainstream, Hollywood-run mass media with explicit mercenary interests so important?
It is one of the most effective ways to spread it to the masses. Americans consume and media is a meal
>Can anybody kindly explain my third-world self how heterosexuality became so passé in the first world?
The Victim is a holy figure right now. Anyone who is part of a general group that has been treated negatively is The Victim
>>82392015
I guess that makes sense. I just can't see Elsa being a lesbian coming up without having to go into what homosexuality really means.
The alternative is to say that Elsa wants to "be with" another woman or some other semantic tiptoing.
Nope, if Queen Elsa hooks up with anybody, it should be Prince Hans. Redeeming a violently despised, shit-pull villain is a much greater writing feat than having girls frack.
>>82390907
>In a perfect world featuring a lesbian character would be no more political than featuring a heterosexual character
Don't give me that bullshit. SJWs and feminists WANT minorities to continue being cans of worms that they can open at their own whim, so they can stay relevant indefinitely. They want to be offended about everything forever.
>>82391828
>They are a remarkably unimaginative and dull people
>but also I can't imagine what would be interesting about featuring more non-white, non-straight and non-male characters
>>82392164
>MUH
>BOGEYMAN
Be honest anon, you want to say that they're cultural marxists committing white genocide
>>82391578
But sooner or later, they will see some dude holding hands with another dude or two girls kissing or something. Or hell, once of their playmates in kidnergarten has 2 daddies and they come home with the question anyway.
All I know is when I was five and I was gonna have a baby brother, ti was really important for me to understand how, so I ended up getting the (very basic) explanation. It didn't warp me but thanks to the langage my parents used I thought girls had dirt in their tummies the daddies "seed" grew in. Thankfully this did not lead to any embarassing moments before I figured shit out.
Point is, if your goal is to avoid sexuality, you've already lost.
Gay royalty are always in that awkward position where you need to get married and have an heir. Unless Anna has a baby and Elsa makes her niece or nephew heir. I think nephews have been heirs sometimes in Rome and maybe other places.
>>82389667
>Does /co/ want Frozen 2 to be about lesbians?
Sure. I'm reading a lot of people complain that "Ugh, you shouldn't make them lesbian unless the story demands it" or "I want good stories not movies with lesbian gimmicks to attract the SJW crowd". My problem with that everything needs to start somewhere. Who cares if we start with gimmicks? Eventually, they'll become the norm and then someone will actually make a really solid Disney film with lesbians.Besides, the first Frozen was shit so who cares if Frozen 2 becomes SJW bait
>>82392272
I can imagine stories that focus first on telling a story and not on pushing propaganda. Which SJWs simply cannot do. SJWs are about as imaginative as Tim Buckley: Buckley copies and pastes body parts into his panels to make his comic, SJWs write their characters around these catalog of parasexualities they keep beside them like a bible.Also, I'm not white.
>>82392316
...They aren't?
>>82392427
Why not start with sincerity instead of gimmicks?
>>82391727
Assuming Poe Dameron isn't a fag (he wanted that black dick), they did say one is coming. In EU there was a Mandelorian Dude who married another Mandelorian and that's not cannon anymore.
C3PO doesn't count, he has no genitals.
>>82391476
Anita Sarkeesian doesn't care about gays, only women.
She has a whole video explaining "Twilight isn't bad because teenagers call it "gay", it's because it oppresses women!" completely ommiting the homophobia. It's pretty funny in a sad way.
>>82392480
>freak out that minorities are giving birth at higher rates than whites
>keep minorities in poverty and deny them the same family planning resources that whites have
THIS IS THE MUSLIMS FAULT
>>82392481
how long must people wait for major corporations to produce sincere diversity before they say something? Why does the alt-right think its a crime to speak up about what you want to see in your entertainment? Isn't that free market in essence, voting with your dollar?
>>82392427
Problem is, if they really wanted to normalize LGBTQAXHJÞYKLD4CVΦ, they'd make a work like that from scratch. Twisting an existing work by injecting an agenda into reeks of cheap cashing-in tactics.
>>82392571
>keep minorities in poverty and deny them the same family planning resources that whites have
>I-I hope they believe me!
>>82392481
Because it's easier said than done. I'm not saying I wouldn't love to see a good Disney film with lesbians but if they want to just make it marketable to the SJW then I don't see any real reason to be upset about it. Hell, eventually it might not even be gimmick worthy and they'll be forced to make a good lesbian Disney movie to attract people. Just saying that everything needs to start somewhere
Just because "Let it go" was popular with the LGBT community doesn't mean Elsa is gay, which is pretty much the basis of all this comes from. I'd rather Disney just make a princess who is a normal girl who happens to be gay instead of the ice princess with anxiety and depression who plunged her kingdom into perma-winter because she couldn't control her powers.
>>82392617
Cheap cashing in tactics are, well, cheap! So there you go.
>>82392357
>But sooner or later, they will see some dude holding hands with another dude or two girls kissing or something. Or hell, once of their playmates in kidnergarten has 2 daddies and they come home with the question anyway.
I know, i know, but is it not my right to avoid certain subjects with my phantomatic son/daughter until i'm "forced" to? And again, it's not only sexuality, it's also about "normality", it's hard to explain where gayness comes from to a kid. Even if you say something as simple as "gays just like to think different" i might make the kid think gays must be abnormal and thus weirdos, and why wouldn't i want to avoid to put the kid in such an hard position? A 6yo shouldn't already be making himself philosophical questions like "what does it mean to be normal?"
What i'm saying probably doesn't make much sense, as i already said i'm not trying to pretend i know all about children (or adult) psychology, it's just my opinion, i'd like to keep it without being called an oppressor for it
>>82389667
On one hand, yeah. It would be cool to see more openly homo relationships in kids media. If Anna can kiss an autistic ice horse herder, Elsa can kiss a woman.
On the other hand, no matter how disney does it, tumblr will find something wrong with it and /pol/ will shit their pants and there will be drama everywhere forever.
>>82392616
The bigger question is, why should diversity be pushed in the first place?
>>82392623
The shittier a place is, the more people fuck. Call it biological imperative, call it "we got nothing better to do" but it happens. And there's a period between moving on up and assimilaton where people keep fucking if that's what they do.
>>82389667
Sure...as long as one of them is a talking polar bear.
>>82392617
Oh nooo, a generic white person is going to be black in a different adaptation
But what about white representaaaationPlease stop being a whinny faggot, anon
>>82389667
>Does /co/ want Frozen 2 to be about lesbians?
I don't want a Frozen 2 at all, it feels like the hype of the first movie only recently died down.
So I wouldn't really care if they made her a dyke in the sequel. It'll probably be a soulless by-the-book endeavor like the first one anyway so I agree with those twitter messages, make it a lesbian interracial couple while you're at it. Progressives will wet their pants at the representation while kids will propel the box office past a billion again either way while those of us who are waiting for animated movies that have charm might get one in a climate that isn't as thirsty for representation.
>>82389840
This guy knows what's up.
>>82392666
I don't want Elsa to be gay (just because I think she wouldn't be good representation) but if she was it would hardly be pushing it because in the, what, 60+ years Disney has been around she'd be the first gay main character.
Now, the media and the fanbase would "push" it, but only because it would be a big deal. You can't expect gay people not to celebrate and talk about gay characters.
>>82392657
>I know, i know, but is it not my right to avoid certain subjects with my phantomatic son/daughter until i'm "forced" to?
Honestly, that sounds retarded. Just show them Steven Universe or something till they figure it out.
>>82392666
Because they are different kinds of people, not just you. The better question is why it shouldn't?
>>82392669
It is kind of a biological imperative. The less chances a single animal has of surviving, the more its species has to reproduce. That's how herd animals work; every day two or three will die at the clutches of a predator; they compensate with sheer numbers.
>>82389863
>I want it to be a good story
The first one wasn't so I don't have high hopes for a sequel.
>>82389667
I don't want Frozen 2 at all.
It never works twice for Disney.
Also, fuck this "representation" bullshit. Canon lesbianism belongs in the forms of entertainment media where it comfortably fits: anime and manga, books, serious movies that really explore sexuality, comic books and maybe video games if some miracle happens and video game writers actually learn how to write. Not a fucking children's movie that shouldn't make a big deal out of any kind of sexuality at all.
>>82392737
>Because they are different kinds of people
And?
>>82392617
There's nothing wrong with pandering. Every company does this. The reason why Marvel wanted Spider-man in Civil War so bad wasn't because they love the character, it's because they knew he was a major cash cow and they could pander towards people who are familiar with the character. Car magazines pander more towards a male readership. Beauty magazines pander to a female readership. I don't see the harm in pandering towards SJWs. Yeah, a lot of us feel weird when a character gets their race changed because it pulls us out of that fake reality but things like "Elsa is now lesbian" is harmless.
>>82392746
Like I said, however you want to explain it, it's gonna happen. So right now white and ghetto and sand and whatever other trash alike just squeeze out more kids. So of course immigrants will have lots when they come from shitholes!
>>82392701
It's not about that, one thing would've been to say "there's nothing wrong with black Hermione!" and a whole other is to say "oh why, but i never precised she was white ;) except all the times i drew her white, and all the times i apparently forgot to tell the artists of my covers not to make her white ;D i'm such a not-racist!"
I'm not one of them, but i have friends that are BIG fans of HP and they simply felt mocked because that tweet is so condescending and indirectly shitting on half the franchise's media
>>82390861
>And frankly Disney's been impressing lately on that front.
I haven't seen Zootopia yet but I thought both Frozen and Big Hero 6 were pretty uninspired and predictable movies. I wanted to like the but I found myself waiting for them to get good two thirds of the way in before I realized they weren't going to.
>>82392776
And not everyone is a selfish cunt like you
>>82392087
"She loves/wants to marry her."
Or they kiss.
It's not any different than any of Disney's straight romances.
>>82392723
>Just show them Steven Universe or something
I already am, the absolute madman!But it's easy playing the "they're not girls, they're aliens that look like girls" card
>>82390129
Did you post pic related to suggest Kung Fu Panda should try it?
>>82392776
>No! The world revolves around me! Stop paying attention to those who are different than me!!!
>>82392882
No, I just posted a random picture.But I wouldn't mind it personally if we're picking someone from Kung Fu Panda.
>>82392836
And producing mercenary entertainment targeted to a mass audience suddenly becomes generous because it includes one or two fictional brown people or fictional lesbians among its characters?
>>82389858
1 in 5 kids are fags
most grow out of it
>>82389667
Absolutely fucking not, that's a terrible idea. Elsa is too popular with toddlers pretending to be her, too popular and profitable in general. Suddenly outing her as gay 5 years after introduction is a terrible decision after kids all over the world have adored her and pretended to be her and the parents have assumed her to be straight.
It's also a shit idea in general to use a character's sexual identity as a cheap gimmick to slap on them to gain cred.
But she won't be gay. Disney hasn't had the guts to have a single officially gay positive human character in their animated films yet. Elsa won't be the first, she's too valuable, popular, iconic and profitable for a leap like that. Also the Disney Princessâ„¢ franchise probably won't be the place to start with their very young target audience, I think they'd first introduce a canon gay character in the more actiony movies like Zootopia, WiR or BH6
>>82392900
Anon, if I wanted the world to revolve around me, I'd want, I suppose, films to be all like Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Do you want movies to be all like that disappointing piece of crap for a film?
>>82392915
>"all mass media is evil! So we should just focus on white men then"
Diversity is not going to solve all the problems with major corporate media, but it would at least solve for incivility.
>>82389821
this thread
>>82389667
Elsa would be terrible representation for lesbians in any form of media.
Jesus, don't these people realize 90% of fanart or fiction involving Elsa has her paired with her SISTER?
There are no words to describe the size of the can of worms Disney would be opening by doing this.
Just don't pair Elsa with anyone. First movie was about sisterly love or whatever. Keep with that. Leave romantic love to your other 15 billion intellectual properties that are specifically about that.
>>82392974
>Elsa won't be the first, she's too valuable, popular, iconic and profitable for a leap like that
Yeah I'd be fine with a gay princess but this is probably the big reason why it won't be Elsa.
>>82393004
>Jesus, don't these people realize 90% of fanart or fiction involving Elsa has her paired with her SISTER?
The second coming of Elsanna was my first thought when I saw this thread. Nobody fucking wants that and unless for whatever reason Anna is no longer around that's exactly what will happen.
>>82389720
This thread should've ended here
>>82392990
What incivility? That Hollywood is a festering abcess of a city, shamelessly filled with corruption and nepotism? Everybody always knew that. But suddenly during the last Academy Awards people pretended they didn't.
>>82392978
>I'd want, I suppose, films to be all like Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
>Do you want movies to be all like that disappointing piece of crap for a film?
Fuck, that's pretty savage. Why would you want to wish disappointment upon all of humanity?
>>82393081
I mean inclusively but was autocorrected
>>82393100
this is terrifying
>>82393100
Well I already fapped today but I could go another round.
>>82392666
>The bigger question is, why should diversity be pushed in the first place?
Because it can lead to stories and works that are good but also different and thus adding to the variety of media we can consume.
But that said Elsa being a lesbian and marrying some brown princess if done would probably be done in the safest manner possible and would probably be about as bland as the first Frozen aside from that "Oh, diversity!" factor.
Movies like The Secret of Kells advance what is actually good about diversity; tapping into different traditions and experiences for more fresh material. Even though the main character of that movie was a white Christian(and almost definitely straight) male it'll probably remain much more interesting and fresh then whatever fag character Disney will churn out in a few years when its suits decide the cost benefit calculation calls for it.
>>82389826
>If Disney wants to do an LGBT movie they should make it unambiguous from the beginning that the character is homosexual.
Yes this. Introducing a character who's assumed to be straight (like what, around 90% of the population), watching them get insanely popular, marketing merch of them for toddlers including dresses so 4-year old girls can pretend to BE that character, and then going YEARS later "hey kids, guess what, they like kissing other girls now and not boys, isn't that cool" is a disastrous idea. I think there'd actually be death threats from enraged parents and it'd absolutely wreck the international box office gross
>b-but muh korrasami
The target audience was way older. Nickelodeon wasn't making bank by selling Korra dresses to preschoolers the world over. I don't think they were selling much Korra merch at all.
>>82389667
OH NO PLEASE NO!!! STOP THAT!!
that's not a question of homophobia or some shit but please this is a movie for childrens and for family, no offense but putting a lesbian couple into the movie is just disturbing.
>>82389667
I'm down with anything with lesbians as long they are cute, hot or both
>>82393004
Elsa shirks her duties as queen, abandons her family and on a whim plunges the kingdom into a forever winter that threatens to destroy everything and the neighboring lands.
But she maaaaaaaaaaaay be a Lesbianâ„¢, so that makes everything a-okay.
>>82389950
Lettuce
Glitter
Bacon
Tomatoes
>>82393100
that's some scary shit, bruh. Shit model too. I could make an Elsa model, but no one is willing to pay me for one...
>>82393142
>Nickelodeon wasn't making bank by selling Korra dresses to preschoolers the world over. I don't think they were selling much Korra merch at all.
They weren't making Korra merchandise period. I think the Naga and Pabu plushies sold really well, though. Everything else was shit like coasters, lunchboxes and for some reason a dog bowl.
>>82393162
I think Elsa is a way better representation for shit like anxiety and depression than gay people. Even if it was handled with gloves for the sake of the children, she showed even though she was legitimately hurting she was still capable of hurting the people around her too.
>>82393182
>I could make an Elsa model, but no one is willing to pay me for one...
No you can't. You're just using the excuse of no one paying to try and cover your ass for that outright lie.
>>82393095
I don't know. By your logic here >>82392900, I should be wanting more Hollywood films to center on my country.
Like I care anyway. I watch more anime than anything else nowadays, after all. Beats stuff like nuPPG or Whor any day of the year.
>>82390529
>she didn't aggressively dream about finding romance
>she MUST be gay
>sure she was petrified with the fear of killing anyone she touches or revealing her powers and under paralyzing fear and stress for most of the movie, but that has nothing to do with it
Literally the logic of those people
>>82389667
>1 in 5
>1 in 10
TOP FUCKING FEF
>>82392617
>J.K. Rowling
What a hack. Reminds me of this chunky chick I had for a creative writing classthat I droppedwho would just gush over J.K. Rowling, talking about how she followed her on her book tour and she cried when she first met her.
Then some other girl in the class said she liked Harry Potter as a kid but never reread them after she moved on to better literature because the writing was shit. Someone had to do it I guess.
>>82392900
>Says the person demanding that their insignificant minority be included into their product
>>82390661
It's a cultural juggernaut and an insane cash cow, it's inevitable that there'll be a Frozen 2. Most of the other most succesful animations are sequels, after all, it's where the money seems to be at.
Besides the voice actors are already recording the lines according to Kristen Bell. Too late to complain
>>82392903
>But I wouldn't mind it personally if we're picking someone from Kung Fu Panda.
Progressives would complain that t would be cheap to use an animal character instead of a human one and I'm not sure it would enhance Viper.
>>82389667
>queer young kids
can't we reset this fucking planet already and start over?
>>82393004
Jelsa (Jack Frost from Return of the Guardians x Elsa) is actually more popular than Elsanna. I think it had a petition going for it with +10 k signatures begging Disney to buy the rights to Jack Frost from Dreamworks so Jelsa could happen in Frozen 2
>>82392782
>Don't see harm in pandering towards a toxic and fickle community
I kinda do.
>>82393390
>Two Ice Age sequels in the top 10
I didn't expect that.
>>82393410#giveelsaagirlpenis
>>82393295
not really, most people realize that Elsa's not a real person so if the writer chose to reveal she was gay, she would thus be gay. No one but you is insisting Elsa had an already established sexuality
>>82393078
Elsa wasn't gay in the first one
>>82392831
Frozen was rushed as hell and full of plot holes (and shit animation) because of that. I love it but it's got tons of faults. BH6 also was a bit too crowded, nothing special. But Zootopia is truly great.
>>82390638
Fantasia and Winnie the Pooh.
>>82391352
The heaviest doublethink.
>>82391578
>I realize that, but what can i say, it's a complicated matter and it's hypocritical to think that only an extreme opinion on it can exist
Okay but let's be real.
It's only complicated because we put stock in the idea that homosexuality should be considered one way or another taboo, because we think of homophobia as something that is a simple fact of life, like a racist grandmother.
But we're at a point where gay marriage is legal throughout the entirety of the United States. This has never happened before, but society has gotten itself in a position where this can happen without tremendous outrage. When is it going to stop being "complicated" and just be "Sometimes there are two daddies"?
>>82389667
>1 in 5 kids are queer
Bitch try 3%, and this is coming from a Bi person
>>82393294
But then why do you care of they make Elsa a lesbian anyways if you don't even watch it? Literally makes no sense
>>82393507
Not gonna lie, I get an instant erection over characters in a prostitution situation.
>>82392427
>My problem with that everything needs to start somewhere.
>I want the most iconic and profitable female character from the recent decade or two in a movie directed at children to be suddenly turned gay
The problem isn't wanting representation, it's wanting the most popular character available to be used for that representation. Petitioning for an all-new gay character, I'd support, but picking the most popular and iconic character available and starting to screech that it's specifically her who should be made gay for our representation seems a bit spoiled
>>82393564
>But we're at a point where gay marriage is legal throughout the entirety of the United States
The world isn't the United States
And yes, while the US' culture is pretty influentual globally homosexuality isn't a basic trait of said culture, not yet at least
>>82393047
>The second coming of Elsanna
>>82393600
You're not wrong.
You people keep your Progressive and comfy cartoon films. I'll be elsewhere meanwhile.
>>82392129
This desu. It'd be a fresh thing for Disney to do, too
>>82393564
>But we're at a point where gay marriage is legal throughout the entirety of the United States.
CURRENT YE-
No, wait.
CURRENT COUNTRY
>>82393654
That's why I always loved the Superman pairing where Clark started this hooker that lived in the shitty apartment complex he lived in. Wonder what ever happened to that pairing.
>>82393564Maybe never, especially when they're aiming for as much profit as possible. I mean it's probably not happening HERE since it's already super popular so they're not going to want to risk that. I mean being a single mother has ALWAYS been legal, a lot of products still aren't comfortable with selling that.
>>82393654
Why would it?
I don't get why they don't petition for disney to make their next princess lesbian, or are they afraid she might not be popular and are trying to piggyback off of Frozen's success?
>>82393654
until you get an std
>>82393630
I just find it ridiculous that a lot of people on this site will literally go out of their way to complain and shitpost if this were to happen even though there are daily threads calling the movie garbage. Who cares if they get Elsa and make her a lesbian. I don't know if you personally liked Frozen but I know a lot of Anons here despise it. It was a shit movie to begin with so who cares if it becomes SJW garbage. It's not like it's not that already
>>82393788
Exactly that. These are the same people that want to kill off white characters and have blacks or other minorities take over the super hero name e.g. Captain America, Flash and Spiderman.
>>82389667
I just hope they know it'll fuel rule 34 if they're official carpet munchers
>>82393507
>>82393410
Fuck off to your degenerate shithole of a chan with that shit, this is a blue board
>1 in 5 kids are queer
Why the fuck would you make up such a bullshit statistic and try to pass it off as truth?
Did she mean "1 in 5 kids are press-ganged by tumblr into being a queer"?
Elsa is asexual.
>>82392849
This. Love isn't really an alien concept.
>>82393891
She's chionosexual.
>>82393808
A lot of people liked Frozen when it came out but only started to dislike everything related to it because of
a) /frz/ continuing their waifufaggotry for over 1000 generals straight and
b) endless sensory overload with LiG blaring from everywhere, advertising and merch, Elsa staring at you from the side of every imaginable product with that same damn look holy shit could they not have rendered some more expressions for the promo images
>>82393891
>>82393891
She's an autistic asexual homoromantic demigirl with diabetes, hairy legs and armpits, stretchmarks and a hunched back and one of her legs is shorter than the other. She's also an albino Iranian.
Did you know that 5 out of 5 tumblr users should be gassed with Zyklon B?
>>82393817
I also don't get why they don't do that with Legacy characters like Green Lantern, but have to take Thor, the one superhero out of all of them that this shit wouldn't work for, and make him female. The superhero that is based off of mythology and not created by a comic book writer, whose legacy predates comics. That is the worst!
>>82393974
>She's also an albino Iranian.
I read that as "a dildo albanian".
>>82393788
>are trying to piggyback off of Frozen's success?
Yes. Elsa's the most popular Disney royal around atm, so naturally it's her who must be turned gay, no new princess will do
>>82389812
to be fair im sure with all those rewrites the first one went through they were pretty late in development at at least some of them
How is having a lesbian character controversial, but it's ok to have a girl fall in love with an animal that almost kills her dad and domestically abuses her?
>>82394043
Those gifsets are pretty decent.
>>82389667
i dont want an Frozen 2
>>82389911
wasent the dumbldore is gay thing mostly to explain how dumbldore failed to notice one of his teachers was voldemort
>>82394021
I found it hilarious that the only way that woman got mew mew was because Thor was deemed unworthy. So that implies that the only way a woman can get ahead is if a man is considered unworthy over personal skill and ability.
>>82393960
I think the mods stopped it at 1000 threads.
The funny thing is that pic related was what they used for a lot of the early merch, and it was from an early version of the movie.
>>82394069
I could buy JKR always thinking of Dumbledore as gay but not being able to put it in the book because this was back in 2007/8. If she revealed it today I'd think she was being a hack about it.
To her credit, she hasn't done anything like that since then. The Hermione thing was just her covering her ass because she just couldn't admit she always pictured Hermione as white but never wrote it in because she had a "white as the default" thing going on.
>>82394021
To be fair Thor's whole "muh powers" enchantment makes it easier.
Thor got replaced once before but to be fair there was a lot of other fuckery with that and he was literally pretending to be Thor.
>>82389821
FUCK YOU.
>>82394043
thats just how Beauty goes, its a million year old fairy tale
Frozen is a Ice Queen AU fanfic
>>82394143
But she DID write it.
>>82393657
>The world isn't the United States
The United States is actually pretty late to the gay marriage scene compared to countries like, say, Libya.
>>82393707
It's not some meaningless claim about everyone sharing the same mindset just because of the year or whatever, it's a literal fact that the law regarding gay marriage changed recently. Could you honestly say the reception of gay marriage as it was now would have been the same if it was legalized ten years ago? Honestly?
Fans should never be asking for new characters or changes to established characters. Elsa simply has not developed a sexual orientation- leave future develoment up to the story.
>>82394043
Because you're a cynical adult skewing things to be darker than they actually were.
Plus he's a human, he just looks like an ox bear. No dickings happened until he was human again.
>>82394237
>muh gay marriage
Accepting that people should have a right to establish a legal romantic partnership with the person of their choosing regardless of their sexual preference is a different thing than wanting gay propaganda being fed to your kids though
>>82389667
I'd rather it be a movie in which a kingdom with far more advanced technology, attacking her kingdom with heavy artillery and nautical infiltration via submarine.
>>82389886
Mainstream America will never accept. It's why Marvel can put a lesbian character in Jessica Jones as diversity but won't ever do two males.
>>82392863
Or maybe instead of trying to hide it (which you are) you could just say "sometimes girls like other girls, like Ruby and Sapphire."
You are in fact teaching them homosexuality is weird. If it turns out they are gay, you made them think they are weird. If not, you ruined at teaching moment and potentially gave them problems in the future.
Suck it up and accept the world exists as it is. With gay people being visible.
>>82394183
It was one line in the entirety of seven books, and it wasn't even in her introduction where you usually describe things like skintone.
But I don't see it as a big deal because Emma Watson as Hermione isn't an image that's going to fade from popularity anytime soon.
>>82390600
Captain Planet?
>>82389667
I hate this world
>>82394349
>Or maybe instead of trying to hide it (which you are) you could just say "sometimes girls like other girls, like Ruby and Sapphire."
I guess
>You are in fact teaching them homosexuality is weird
Not really, i'm telling my brother it's natural of Ruby and Sapphire to be together because it is their normal, "male" gems aren't a thing
>>82390969
get aload of this faggot.
> I want the tone of the film to be closer to the original Ghostbusters rather than Ghostbusters 2 or the cartoon series because Ghostbusters 1 was a sex comedy with supernatural theming whereas the sequels and cartoons were wacky supernatural media first and character-based on a lesser extent.
>not wanting a supernatural super science driven comedy about ghost hunting
>just wanting sex jokes ?!?!
Anon you are indeed a faggot with shit taste.
