>DC management insisted on retouching Kirbys art during his time there in the 1970s
What the fuck, does Kirby not know what an S looks like?
>>82024067
>Come here and say that pipsqueak I'll fucking clobber ya
>>82024067
It's very proto-Kingdom Come, isn't it?
It's really funny seeing Curt Swan looking Superman and Jimmy Olsen mixed in with all the Kirby characters.
>>82024079
That's not Superman, that's Orion
>>82024012
I'm sure that dead man is so offended
>>82024012
It's understandable. Curt Swan was the face of Superman DC promoted. Kirby's Superman looks kinda jarring in comparison.
>>82024012
I can't see the difference (aside from colour)
You know what? I miss those times. You can pick any Silver Age comic and the art is great! Now try doing the same thing with a post-80's book.
Fuck, i deeply miss company house style.
In my opinion everything should like Curt Swan's art style.
>>82024012
The touch up looks better.
>>82025012
Are you faceblind?
>>82024012
I really like Kirby's Olsen but am meh on his Superman for some reason
>>82025029
Kill yourself.
>>82025134
It's the other way around. Jimmy Looks too much like a badass.
>>82024712
kingdom come is based on the original superman costune
>>82025208
I thought it was based on the Fletcher costume.
>>82025199
Which fits the run
>>82025248
I don't know, I think part of the charm comes from Jimmy looking utterly average and even kind of dweeby.
>>82024815
he was when it was occuring
>>82024765
>>82024927
Curt Swan didn't do those two examples, it was Murphy Anderson
A lot of the redrawing was done by Al Plastino of all people - a guy not even working on anything else at the time because all he could do was the goofy awkward 50s style
>>82025052
this
Kirby was all same face
>>82025208
thats a Al Plastino btw
>>82025029
soon as Crisis happened they fired all the old timers like Swan
Even later artists that emerged in the 70s like Perez still had that 'comic book' look
the new hyper style is dreck
>>82024012
This is extremely well known.
Superman face was a big deal.
>>82025364
>the new hyper style is dreck
Right? These are mass-produced comics. Why not share the same art-style? Sure, new styles are neat and all, but an actual book with a good style is very rare. Most of them look like shit.
>>82025364
>hyper style
What the fuck does that even mean?
>>82025289
>Curt Swan didn't do those two examples, it was Murphy Anderson
Yeah, but his style was the Superman that everyone had to emulate in their art.
I dig Kirby's style, but it does feel kinda wrong on Superman
>Fucked over by Stan
>Fucked over by DC
Being Jack was suffering, wasn't it?
>>82025052
It really does. Just look at the S. Superman's chin. Jimmy's freckles. Everything is improved.
>>82025560
I don't think Kirby ever stayed at one company long enough to wing the glory he wanted. He never became the face of one company, like Lee did, because he kept defecting to the competition, chasing a better paycheck, or conditions more to his liking. A lot of what happened to Kirby is because of decisions Kirby made.
>>82025560
Stan didn't fuck him over, it was the publisher Martin Goodman and the people who owned Marvel. They were the ones that treated him like he was replaceable
Also DC was kind of a disaster at the time, it's called the DC implosion titles were getting canceled left and right not just Kirby's
But hey he got to work in cartoons and by all accounts he enjoyed that work and the people there treated him well.
>>82025522
I like how he draws the undies, reminds me of Quitely's Superman.
>>82024067
Kirby didn't even know the difference between a neanderthal and a homo sapien.
>>82024067
Hey when you draw 10 pages a day mistakes get made. He forgot what the Watcher look like and just made him a giant fat guy instead of just big headed
>>82025522
That's a rapeface
>Up, up and in the pooper
>>82025874
To be fair, most Americans don't know that.
>>82026015
>that filename
kek
>>82025012
How does a blind man browse the internet?
I can see the pros and cons really. Obviously it sucks because you want to see the different artists' styles, but keeping characters on a certain model if that's your aim doesn't seem like a bad thing entirely either.
>>82025226
Fleischer?
>>82026658
have you never seen these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjdnCC6n4xk
>>82024012
Maybe he should've learnt how to draw something other than toadmen.
>>82026837
I have, I was wondering if he misspelled Fleischer.
>>82026618
I think each editor will have their own amount of leeway for what's on model. Things were a little more strict in the Silver Age and earl 70's, Jim Starlin mocks how strict he thought Romita Sr in his Warlock stuff.
>Kirby couldn't draw Superman
are you people high?
>dem fists popping out
>>82025522
Is that an unaltered Kirby though?
>>82025317
Kirby could do 'normal' art, look at the stuff he did in the 1950s, but he preferred his *gasp* own style
>>82025718
He was at Marvel for decades what are you talking about?
>>82025643
The problem is you'd have those two looking like that next to all the other characters looking like Kirby
>>82025760
Implosion was late 70s
He wanted the New Gods to be finite, he saw tpb and graphic novels were the future, but management insisted on keep going
pretty sure he left before the implosion
His cartoon work was wasted considering the factory production method in that era
>>82027333
>His cartoon work was wasted considering the factory production method in that era
Afterwards he ventured into animation and creator-owned work but returned to DC in the mid-1980's.
>>82027290
>He was at Marvel for decades what are you talking about?
Not decades in a row. Worked for Marvel a little more than ma decade, went somewhere else, came back to Marvel for a couple years. He wasn't the company man Lee was.
>>82027440
It always saddened me that after his first Marvel and DC runs, he was deeply unpopular to a lot of fans. Jim Shooter tells a depressing story on his blog about it.
>The San Diego Comic Con used to do this thing where artists would do drawings on stage, and then auction them off to raise money for the con. I remember Jack Katz had set a minimum bid on his of $200, and somebody actually paid $200 for it. Then the auctioneer gets this wonderful, huge drawing of Captain America that Jack had been drawing live on stage, and the auctioneer looks at it and says, “Am I bid $5?” I was so offended; it just cut me like a knife. He, like a lot of fans, didn’t like Jack’s work at that point, and that was his honest assessment of what somebody might pay for this. I offered him $200; I wasn’t a wealthy guy in those days, but I thought, “No way is this selling for less than what Jack Katz sold for.” This auctioneer got so excited that when other people started bidding against me, he wouldn’t let them! So I bought it for $200, and Jack wrote a really nice inscription to me, and I still have it. It’s a fond possession.
>>82027814
Yeah fans and even people in the office calling him Jack " The Hack"
>>82024012
It's called "inking", dumbass.
>>82028716
>>82027814
He was hugely popular in the Golden Age and Silver Age. After that his popularity steadily declined and it was 100% because he never updated. His work looked so old fashioned by then that it was almost surreal to see somebody still drawing like that.
