So who really thought that the Animation was top notch?
its Disney, whatd you expect?
Though I guess im biased since I think 3D models look like absolute ASS on human characters
Who didn't, honestly? The fur is ridiculously well detailed.
>>82012492
Look how smooth this is
>>82012456
The animation was superb but it really doesn't makes sense for Judy to not know about nighthowlers.
?
>>82012526
Good to see you, filename autist
>>82012526
I would like to pet every part of Nick's body.
>>82012556
What's inside?
INB4 FAGGOT JANITORS NUKE THE THREAD
ONE BILLION HOURS ON PAINT LATER!
I want all you cartoonfags to leave this board and die.
>>82012568
Hi, and Nazi Nick and Judy, very nice.
Semi zootopia related point.
In an animal world, would it still be reasonable for animal-based idioms and nicknames to appear for things, even though they refer to 'races' or people instead of subservient pets/beasts?
on the side for it, "swiss cheese, no true scotsman, apache helicopter" etc refer to groups of people (albeit nations, not races.) but on the side against it still seems weird for a dog to say something like "a cat in hell's chance" since it aligns with something like "a black in alabama" if you think about it too hard.
>>82012608
/tv/ please
>>82012555
Didn't she identify them earlier when she corrected bogo who thought they were onions?
What was the florist doing selling nighthowler bulbs?
>>82012555
She wasn't much of a farm girl. Too busy dreaming of being a cop in the big city.
>>82012606
>No nazi Judy in the final panel
Its shit
>>82012608
>I want all you cartoonfags to leave this board and die.
/co/
>>82012629
Perhaps they have medicinal use or something?
WE MUST EMBRACE THE ANIMUS OF OUR COMRADES
>>82012608
>I want all you cartoonfags to leave this board and die.
>cartoonfags
>on /co/
you're right how fucking dare we
Has anyone purchased the art book? Is it worth getting?
>>82012606
i kekkled
>>82012712
No, and Yes.
Why is this the only thing with Gideon and Clawhauser?
They're perfect for each other.
>>82012712
it could've used more concept art
>>82012712
https://mega.nz/#!e9hzzIDQ!_Ilxkgkns2PzNNxclDtvKpKisyCViEykD5hLaGmTelg
here you go senpai
>>82012742
The Clawhauserfags and Gideonfags seem to be in a husbando war currently.
>>82012615
I would assume that idioms purely based on a negative connotation would not be very popular.
>>82012615
Is homelessness a nonissue since herbivores can eat the greenery?
>>82012811
>Clawhauser v Gideon: Dawn of Diabetes
>>82012883
I imagine there are laws against just sitting on someone's lawn and casually eating it.
>>82012912
Im sure thats illegal on Earth as well
>>82012883
I think they would have laws preventing that, as all the trees and shit the city spent money would be dead/ugly, unless they wanted to be a indirect breadline. Sort of like why they don't usually plant fruit trees in public areas, I guess?
Also, isn't Nick speculated to be homeless?
>>82012912
True but I imagine that there would be few vegetarian related thefts as opposed to plant property damage.
>>82012912
yeah but what about public spaces
Anyone else waiting on an artbook from Amazon? Ordered this shit 2 weeks ago and it hasn't even shipped yet.
>>82012957
its not illegal if no one catches you
>>82012883
But they clearly have gone soft over the years and need to live indoors.
>>82012606
Downloaded/10
>>82012555
It is passable when you consider that Judy probably gave up on farming early on to follow her dreams and her knowledge of plants is very selective and full of holes. Knowing the scientific name for a plant that you know can be poisonous and mess with your head like a drug and that it also keeps the bugs away from the crops is one thing, realizing that those are the night howlers you heard about recently (a term used mostly by those few predators who know about those flowers) and which are making animals go full on feral forever unless properly treated, because they got destilled on purpose and used as a weapon by a maniac is another.
Basically, it all hinges on the fact that only those few predators who are into botany (like Otterton) or "agrarian" enough (Gideon, one of the very few foxes in Bunnyburrow - far away from the city) actually called those flowers like that and also fully knew their effects on animals, and Judy, being a prejudiced ass, never even thought to look for another connotation for that name other than timberwolves. Predators do not get what is happening because very few of them know about those flowers and even fewer can connect the dots and prey are racist fucks who do not seek any reason further than "he has claws, help". All this supported by a thought out propaganda machine ran by a person with significant aurhority (Bellwether) and nobody will add two and two together, at least not until you are in full power and finding a cure would mean jack shit, since no one can connect you with the case.
Threads are split, by the way, should we migrate to this one and keep this as the reserve?
>>82012617
>>82012794
Thanks a ton.
>>82013123
just let it be, whichever one gets derailed first is the one that we abandon
>>82013157
Weaver posted in that one so its only a matter of dicks.
>>82013177
This. I give it ~20 posts before the shitstorm
>>82013252
Pony porn just got posted, remain here.
>>82013405
like clockwork
and of course a million people are gonna reply to it, because Zootopia threads are full of newfags that dont know a troll when they see it
>>82013252
>>82013405
I really hope the autists that stalk Weaver don't post
I will admit it, I am a fan of his, but nothing makes me more apprehensive than seeing his name. I just KNOW that it will be followed with >10 "lol'd" "wow Weaver, nice comic" and similar cringey shit, which will THEN be followed with "fuck off" "robotfuckers die" and someone imitating him while posting shit mlp porn
I think I hate most of all that he always posts with his name, making it easier for faggots to chase him from board to board
>>82013252
>>82013382
DERAILMENT IMMINENT
REMAIN CALM
STAY COZY
>>82013459
But fuck weaver though. He always jumps to new fandoms after the hype so people will eat up his shitty art.
>>82012967
I just bought it from a different seller rather than directly. It was only a couple cents more lmao.
>>82013635
His art is okay, but his writing is pretty good. He's not terrible but people do overhype him but that's because he's a drawfag. Chumpy is hyped up as fuck but he isn't as hated because I don't think he really did any cringey shit that people know about. I think the main problem is the shitposting but that can never be stopped.
>>82013459
It's not even weaver, it's just some autistic idiot using the name like this.
>>82013786
fuck you weaver
>>82013786
Fuck off Weaver!
>>82013844
>>82013821
>>82013844
But how can anyone be sure?
>>82013906
You can't
>>82013783
>His art is okay,
if you like shitty mspaint
>but his writing is pretty good
All of the franchises he's done work for aren't exactly high art, he's just competent at writing scenes.
Face it, you're so starved that you'll eat shit with a smile. Get help.
>>82013459
To be honest, this. I have nothing against Weaver, him and his art is fine, but the fucking cancer that follows him is god-awful. How did it happen? What makes him different to other artists,where the mere utterance of his name shits up a thread?
Je Suis Weaver
on a serious note do you guys think Moana could overshadow Zootopia? brown princesses are box office cancer but its got that sweet November release and The Fucking Rock
>>82013786
I know the people shitposting pony porn aren't weaver. I'm saying that I hate it when Weaver actually appears because then people like those you described start to appear.
>>82013635
If that's his plan, it's working out very poorly. I would hope that someone who realizes a plan doesn't work would stop doing that, but clearly that's not the case e.g. mlpornposter would have given up by now.
Also, this is the first time I've ever seen him join a fandom /after/ the hype, but hey, I've been wrong before.
>>82013978
Then we choose our actions on faith and pray we see the light of the next day.
>>82014009
Kk bby :^)
>>82014011
Anyone who stands out for any reason eventually gets shit flung at them by the masses.
Take Chumpy -- a cool guy who fills requests and posts tutorials, and he's ALREADY getting a massive anti-Chumpy reaction "because of his fans". Basically people like him TOO MUCH and anons step in as arbiters of what people are and aren't allowed to like and how many replies posts are allowed to get, and they stomp their foot down and say "NO WE HATE HIM NOW"
Now imagine this piling up over years.
>>82014011
You know the saying "One rude guy you meet is an asshole. If everyone you meet is rude, maybe you're the asshole."?
![moana-01-800[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fmpyirx.jpg "moana-01-800[1].jpg")
>>82014019
>that hideous thing on the right
Look at it. LOOK.
This shits gonna BOMB I don't care what celebrity they get to prop it up.
Both threads contaminated. I'm disappointed with you anons
>>82014193
I want to believe that it only looks bad because its a still image
>>82014198
>>82014198
He's right, we should cease Weaver discussion lest we fall to the same fate as the other thread. How do we keep it pure?
>>82014198
Can we still dump humorous content in an attempt to quell the "drama", or have we gone too far?
>>82012967
Yup. Still waiting for it to ship too.
>>82014290
dont let anyone know this thread exists, simple
>>82014193
he looks based on iz, but yea his face needs work
>>82014193
Fat Rock isn't as bad as Generic Brown Princess #7.
The quality of the animation/models is just terrible compared to Zootopia, and Zootopia was Disney's B team with a smaller budget and staff.
God damn those character models look terrible.
>>82014343
forgot pic
>>82014193
Cool weapon though
>>82014301
We can try dumping Nick
Why is judy soCUTE?
>>82014099
>there's a conspiracy I tells ya!
Okay Weaver
>>82014374
Yeah, it looks like something out of a souls game.
>>82014377
>>82014379
>Nick will never rock your clocks
>Neither will Judy
Well the other thread's gone to shit.
Anything new from you guys?
>>82012568
"It's time for us to show Zootopia who the real apex predators are."
>>82014414
That's not what a conspiracy is
>>82014535
Moana looks like garbage
>>82014535
Zootopia has been confirmed for a home media release date of June 7th but for some reason I can't access the Blu-Ray website now
>>82014377
>>82012967
Yep, ordered mine March 31
>>82014656
Does the 3D/BD version come with both the 3D and 2D disks? I've literally never bought any blu rays before and most 3D packages say 3 disk n such.
I just realized that even if that thread is 404d then weaver would post here and then the shitstorm starts again.
When can we be done with this nightmare I just want my old zootopia threads backthis is not the zootopia I know and love
>>82014870
how about we stop replying to obvious shitposters?
or is that too hard?
>>82014870
Enjoy peace while it lasts.
>>82014616
Can we have something like picture related but about the mods/janitors instead of OP?
>>82014870
When autistic idiots stop being autistic.
Here, have a comfy Nick for now.
>>82014907
The replies isn't the problem it's all the damn disgusting mlp porn, I don't come to these threads to be treated to porn
>>82014870
Come here earlier. They're comfy as fuck around brit bong time and late at night. Right now is prime shitposting hour.
>>82014969
>The replies isn't the problem it's all the damn disgusting mlp porn
Wrong. It absolutely is the replies.
>>82014969
theres a very easy solution anon
do you wanna know what it is?
>>82014802
I actually haven't ever bought a Blu-ray disc before either, but I'm going to guess that they would. Kinda like how some earlier DVDs came with two separate discs for fullscreen and widescreen
>>82014870
When weaver posts something just close the thread out. Seriously, you know what's going to happen and honestly his art is shit anyway.
I know, I'm sorry, I know a lot of you like them, but I'm pretty sure I can draw better with like 0 seconds of experience on paper. I legit don't get the hype over ONE drawfriend. It's just one person. They shouldn't be allowed to constantly derail threads, but anyway. I just leave and come back later, just do that
Do species complain about a lack of representation in media?
>>82015084
weaver is the best artist and writer though
>>82015084
The only reason anyone cares about him is because of the faggots who stalk him in an attempt to make him un-famous somehow. If they didn't shitpost all the time, no one but the most clingy of fans would even know who Weaver is.
They are being so ass-backwards about this it hurts me.
>>82015285
They probably aren't whiny bitches like in our world, they couldn't be considering the giant variety of species that exists.
>>82012967
I got mine the day after I bought it on amazon.it was worth it
>>82015321
it's literally a bunch of scribble lines and just normal writing, I'm starting to blame the overhype of his fans for why the threads keep getting derailed. If he was just some random drawfriend that's cool, but he causes problems every time. Anyway bad topic, so let's close it here
does anybody realise that there are two active zootopia threads
and the mods aren't doing anything against it
has the reich fallen?
>>82015450
This happens every now and again, the mod probably just doesn't care.
>>82012556
>that promo thing they did in Japan and how they showed Disney's vault
Also, "he's not strong"
>>82015494
Or they are about to nuke a thread...
>>82015560
what?
>>82012606
Memes aside, that wojack with a Nick mask is accurate
>>82012712
I'm still waiting for my order. My local bookstore hasn't contacted me yet. I might go today to check.
A lot of anons have bought it. Yes, it's worth getting. I love getting art books from movies I like. It contains a lot of story and art that don't end in the final movie.
>>82012883
>>82012912
Didn't Bellwether say something about it? Herds and grazing? Something that Lionhart needs to attend
>>82015640
Well, yeah, broken-but-not-showing-it is one of the main themes Nick's character is built upon.
>>82014193
I don't mind their looks. It's got variety which I appreciate. What I don't like is how rubbery it looks.
After Zootopia, this is a bit underwhelming, 3D wise
>>82016023
The animation and general graphical effects are underwhelming, though to be fair they didn't have cute furry animals like us to play around with and use fancy physics software on.
>>82016100
of the little news about Moana there has been, they said one of their main focuses was the water effects
its apparently going to be good I guess
>>82015450
New to these things? Sometimes Zoo gets three threads. It's not that alarming. One or two will usually fall or ignored. It happens with current things, like Daredevil and Civil War, etc. It's alarming when shitposting takes over threads
>>82015632
I don't have the link now, but Byron and Rich went to Japan and talked to some tv presenters there, then Byron drew for them. One tv presenter was able to go visit Disney's vault.
>>82016100
They still have the cloth physics to play with I guess.
>>82016100
They don't need cute furry animals to showcase their 3D. Maybe by having a better skin texture for one is a start.
Uhhh...I'm gonna take some draw requests in this thread...because.. well you know...
>>82016400
Godzilla and Bellwether living together.
>>82016400
Nick holding up Finnick like the Lion King
just a stupid idea ive been thinking of
>>82015084
>I'm pretty sure I can draw better with like 0 seconds of experience on paper
Then please do, you can take requests.
>>82016400
Nick arresting one of his former bullies as an adult
>>82016400
Draw Nick and Judy doing the fusion dance
>>82016488
PROVE IT
Draw some decent grimdark
>>82016478
>just a stupid idea ive been thinking of
Quit your bullshit, anon.
>>82016400
nick sunbathing, if it hasn't been done before
>>82016654
what the fuck is that
>>82016679
Ad for Disney Infinity
A-Anyone who want to watch the docu with me?https://www.watch2gether.com/rooms/00vlq082qgd2uw1f
>>82016400
a chinatown/zootopia crossover of the final scene, using nick and moose
What's Byron thinking of right now?
>>82017114
>Byron at a party
>isn't drawing Judy to impress all his friends
>>82016400
>spend 30 minutes in the other thread
>tab over
>first post of the update
fug
The moose with his service weapon held at the ready like this, please.
>>82016478
Hey friends, I'm taking some cozy night time requests (although it might be a bit early to say cozy, but I'm hopeful!)
>>82018089
Gideon with a grown up version of either of the sheep from the beginning as his "partner" at his baking company.
Wait, just remembered which kind of Gideon you prefer, could you do the boy sheep, then? Regular eyes since he had them as a lamb.
>>82018089
nick and judy rule 63'd
>>82018089
draw a lion spilling his spaghetti at FUCKING GAMESTOP
>>82018089
Dark souls Nick and Judy, Nick in the Knight set, Judy in I don't know, maybe the shadow set, please.
>>82018089
little nick making an audition for the fox and the hound
>>82012967
Lol, same here. I'm sure I'll love it when it's here.
>>82018089
Nick and Danny from Cat's Don't Dance trying to out-slick one another
>>82018089
Duke Weaselton wrapped around someone's neck like a scarf.
They did a great job with the animation. It's honestly enjoyable just to watch the way the characters move and see all the little details.
>>82018089
Hey, Chumpy! Not requesting thembecause you probably want a break from the characters, but letting you know that the last picture of the giraffe and Dez that you drew you kinda stretched out her head and snout. Looks really stringy for a giraffe.
>>82018320
Holy shit I'm supporting this>Sawyer was my first furry crush
>>82018564
Yeah I noticed that too, the thing is I don't usually go back and modify sketches since I compress the layers and don't usually save the project files, I could probably fix it if I find some time later tonight though. Thanks for pointing that out too, I love constructive criticism!also, I have such a love hate relationship with those two characters lol, but I'll probably draw more soon!
>>82018155
The legend!
>>82018139
>>82018126
>>82018157
>>82018209
>>82018320
>>82018396
I'll try to get to as many as possible, thanks for the requests guys!
>>82018828
Oh no no, you don't have to change/fix it. I was just saying going forward.
>love/hate relationship with the characters
please tell me you just mean trying to make the giraffe fit in the frame
>>82018929
Yeah just the logisticly. To draw them in the same frame you either have to have the giraffe bending or leaning down, otherwise you end up with way too much negative space and it looks really awkward, also trying to keep the height difference and proportions consistent is a nightmare, which I'm already not the best at lol. They're just too cute to stop though!
That was fun guys.
Even if I already saw it, It as nice to watch it live
>>82012456
That was the biggest thing for me. I was just enamored by the littlest details. I'd love to just go frame-by-frame to see everything.
>>82016400
>>82016471
Here you go, enjoyChumpy, I missed you
>>82019182
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!! Thanks man!
>>82019182
Hey bore! I love that Clawhauser, especially the way you did the creases on the pants near the knees! Also, I expect all the angry anons to shop "Judeon" on that trash bag lol.
GUYS RED ALERT THE OTHER THREAD IS DEAD
I REPEAT, THE OTHER THREAD IS DEAD
REMEMBER TO ABSOLUTELY /NOT/ RESPOND TO SOMETHING IF IT MAKES YOU MAD
>>82019370
>REMEMBER TO ABSOLUTELY /NOT/ RESPOND TO SOMETHING IF IT MAKES YOU MAD
That might be a bit difficult, bud
>>82018828
>>82019004
You're a peach, Chumpy. I got just the thing for them the next time requests roll around.
>>82019370
>REMEMBER TO ABSOLUTELY /NOT/ RESPOND TO SOMETHING IF IT MAKES YOU MAD
This makes me mad
There have been two threads this whole time? I feel like I stepped through a wormhole
>>82019182
>>82016550
Seconding this, but with any two characters doing the fusion dance
>>82019502Clawhauser and Gideon
>>82019370
Is it comfy hour yet?
>>82019182
>skreee
10/10 text
>>82019448
Stop that right now, Anon!
Is anyone else hoping that you know who doesn't post anything in this thread..
please be a comfy thread please please
>>82019616
Then go to the /trash/.
>>82019611
Murphy's law, anon
>>82019611
>>82019616
Who?
>>82019616m-me too, anon
>>82019611
>>82019616
please stop..
>>82015560
>>82015632
>>82016240
This is the first one, from last month, where Rich and Byron caricature two of the Japanese TV personalities as a rabbit and a tanuki.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YKLlo6F9j0
And this one was posted just this week, along with the more in-depth view of old Disney vault artwork. In this one Byron and Rich caricature two of the hosts of this show, one as a cheetah, the other was going to be a lion until the Japanese reporter told them that the guy wasn't strong enough to be a lion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZuDDozEE7E
>>82019666
>666
Oh no
>>82019616
Here we go again :^)
>>82019726
>Judy
>Not Nick
Come on man.
>>82019739
>>82019666
>666
>>82019752
shut up, fag
>The Book of Prophecies creates medals of characters involved in the future
>Judy and Nick have their own medals
IT'S HAPPENING
>>82019776
No u
>>82019739
So do you guys actually like the shitposting then? because you're kind of playing with fire by tempting it to happen.
Come on guys let's have a good thread instead.
>>82019783
It would be silly if it WASN'T happening.
>>82019783
Dude that game has a fuck ton of Zootopia content going on. Accessory, costumes, and looks like some of the first medals to have never been featured in a KH game before.
I'm very much hoping to traverse Zootopia in Kingdom Hearts.
>>82019783
>Judy has wing and Nick has sword
>Implying Judy shouldn't have the sword and Nick the wing
SLY FOX AND DUMB BUNNY!
>>82019739
>>82019616
>>82019666
>>82019739
this and the reactions to this have made my night, please continue
>>82019752
Out of the grills Judy is superior to Gazelle though
>>82019182
Have we established whether Dawn is huge or Godzilla is tiny?
>>82019836
What is wrong with you, why do you want the thread derailed?
>>82019886
Wow, looks great!
>>82019616
here I put em all together and even fixed the petrified bunnies in the window
>>82019886
fug
>>82019886
lookin good weav
>>82019836
you want some? i have a lot of these...
>>82019739
>Holy shit, twococks
>>82019880
>please don't derail the thread with oc content
nigger what?
>>82014193
Nobody is going to watch a movie about niggers.
>>82019917
>>82019922
Pls no bully Gideon
>>82019917
>>82019922
>Posted in the same minute
WE HAVE A FALSE FAGGER
>>82019973
Which one is real?
>>82020026
Probably the one who did actual art edits to it and didn't just repost.
>>82019263
You're welcome, glad you like it :)
>>82019360
Thanks! and I eagerly await the Judeon edit
>>82016400
>>82016478
>>82016654
I knew I'd seen it before but I went ahead and did it anyway
>>82019968
well. haven't we learned a loti agree with you
I want to cuddle Nick.
>>82019917
As much as I love the Absolute Madness of the last panel, I'm gonna pretend it didn't happen and that Weaver actually drew Judeon art.
>>82020044
>Thanks! and I eagerly await the Judeon edit
Aw you too Bore?
So since a sequel is inevitable, what are you guys expecting?
As much as I would hate for it to happen,I'm somewhat certain that the muzzle will make a return
I'm also guessing thatwe'll be getting more of Nick's backstory, and maybe we'll even meet his parents. If this is the case, I wouldn't be surprised if the film was a little darker than the first
>>82020044
>filename
top fucking kek
>>82020074
I'm not even a Nick fag, but I do too.
>>82020044
I love it!
>>82020095
I feel like that's gonna happen. I'm fine and also not fine with it. It'd make for good story, but I hate seeing Nick sad.
>>82020095
General consensus seems to be that the story should focus on Nick next round, and many have been theorizing how a muzzle would be incorporated. I wouldn't be surprised if they used it, a deep rooted phobia can be a good story tool if utilized correctly.
>>82020122
>>82020143
I need these in my fucking game.
There is no way zootopia will be minions, that movie was too good to be beaten.
>>82020095
The sequel definitely needs to tap into Nick's past, but also explore more areas of the city we've yet to see -- most notably, the Nocturnal District. Perhaps that district has a very prominent, well, nightlife, and Nick is a fairly well-known character down there as he goes to drown his sorrows every other night? The first film gave a whole lot of potential to more worldbuilding, and it shouldn't be put to waste.
>>82019917
HE FUCKING DID IT
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>82020206
>There is no way zootopia will be minions
You got that right.
>>82019783
>people thought it was to late too get them into kh3
I think there's still a decent chance that it was right on time for a last minute addition.
>>82020195
I've seen the story and it's really interesting, but is it actually fun to play? I might download it.
>>82020231
>>82020243
>hating one one of the most successful films ever made
>>82020122
>even gives you Judy's massive hips
nice
>>82020288
Avatar was boring as fuck
>>82020308
I was talking about minions
>>82020288
>succesfull=quality
0/10 made me reply
>>82020283
Honestly it starts with 200 missions and it gets extremely tedious at some points only because the story flip flops between worlds and only one little storyline of 6 gets resolved before the next update.
It is addicting and fun though.
>>82020330
But his point stands, a successful film is not necessarily great or even good.
Was Minion good?
>>82020344
fuck, that post gave me brain damage makes me type successful wrong
Other thread just archived
Judy literally did nothing wrong at any point other than trust a filthy, lying fox.
Where'd everyone go?
>>82018126
Holy cow, this one was tough, not only had I not drawn any of the male sheep, but I forgot half way through that sheep are bigger than foxes so I had to change the scale lol. Still, I think it came out pretty cute.My Gideon shipping drawings are growing in numbers, it's only a matter of time til I've drawn him with every character
>>82020536
CUTE AND SMUG
>>82020044
good job! saved
>>82020527
Well she did break the law.
>>82020527
This movie would be better if nick died, I hate him so much.
>>82020562
You're the only drawfriend who doesn't immediately dis Gideon so your services are in high demand
>>82020571
>Kingdom hearts Unchained silhouettes
Holy fuck they can't be adding more.
DRAWFAGS
can we get N&J as Kindred's Wolf & Lamb?
>>82020562
>it's only a matter of time til I've drawn him with every character
Next up, Bucky and Pronk. "Howdy Judy, your neighbors sure are hospitable."
>>82020591
Blasphemy!
>>82020562
Can you do the qt snow leopard oper8r next?
>>82020591
