Interview with Nicola Scott about the Wonder Woman: Year One arc that she's illustrating. Somewhat interesting, though I imagine the part of interest to some people will be at 2:09.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSDv9MomtGk
>Question: Will there be tie-ins with the DC film of Wonder Woman?
>We're not obligated to anything that they're doing in the movie, so it's quite possible that what we choose to do will be quite different. The only - there was one specific comic kinda new trope that has been implemented that the film has also picked up that they would like us to keep.
Thoughts?
WW being a child of Zeus.
>>81955128
well-spoken fellow, but is he, on the whole, all right?
WW being a raging pussy fiend.
>>81955223
Nah they're totally going to push BM/WW in the films
>>81955193
Quentin Kenihan? No, he has a severe bone disorder. But he's a cool guy.
WW is taking Harper Row under her wing to become the new Wonder Girl when she's not being Robin
>>81955274
K. The breather thing was a bit worrying.
>>81955128
The Zeus thing probably.
Meh
>>81955171
Yeah it's obviously this
>>81955128
>Keeping the Zeus Daddy dealy despite all the backlash over how little the additional male influence contributes to the character
Seriously, what is the aversion to the clay origin? Too weird? For a character based on Greek Mythology?
I was sincerely hoping this would've been one of the New 52 aspects "The Lies" would retcon
A little surprising if it actually is the demigoddess origin. You would think they'd want to go back to the clay origin, considering that's the one most people know.
At least it's almost certainly not the rape pirates. I loved Azz's run but that was one of the things I'd be happy for them to retcon.
>>81955534
They probably think normies will laugh at her basically being a golem or something
The Zeus thing is easily the most generic origin they could've given her
I think DC likes the daughter of Zeus origin because it's the origin most associated with popular greek myth adaptions. They probably think the clay origin is 'weird' and doesn't immediately scream 'this is about Olympians!". They probably think it better appeals to a Percy Jackson/Hercules audience
>>81955611
>Will laugh
>Will
What, is WW a new character? People know the clay origin (and casuals don't bat an eye at the idea that she's technically a golem, I only ever see it brought up here and similar forums).
"Weirdness" is not the issue. The problem is: What's there to latch onto? A bunch of normie amazons + Hippolyta + Steve Trevor? Look back over her decades of handling to see how that turned out: The Superman-lite background player of the Trinity.
Zeus-origin reinforces the fact that she's THE mythologic rep of DC, comes ready-built with some names for writers, whether hack and actually skilled, to work with, and target audiences have innate familiarity and interest in seeing how DC's version of Olympus plays out.
In short: DC's Thor.
>>81955867
>In short: DC's Thor.
This exactly. Plus feminism I guess.
>>81955128
Wow, I misread it. I thought Hercules was the dad. I though WW being a rape baby trained to lead a war against men was a little on the nose anyway.
I think if they go with the demigoddess thing, they should go with Ares being the daddy instead. It would highlight an interesting dynamic of her modern character, the fact that she's a warrior but also more kind and loving then most other superheroes. Plus it's a more direct connection to her powers, and if they take other stuff from Azz's run in the future, it adds to the mentor dynamic she had with Ares, plus justifies her becoming the God of War a bit more.
Sure Zeus sleeps around more, but it's a very generic choice.
>>81955962
Zeus being the dad hardly disproves being a rape baby.
>>81955962
Are you talking about Earth One? In that, yes, Wonder Woman is Hercules' daughter that Hipplyta created in order to lead a war against men or something like that. In the New 52 Zeus is her father.
>>81955962
Are you referring to Earth One?
>>81955867
Not a new character, no, but I think you're too optimistic when it comes to thinking what most people know about her. Her being an amazon sure, feminism definitely, all the myth connection maybe, Cheetah being a villain maybe, but the clay thing, Steve, and her other villains aren't that well known. My more casual friends thought that Batman was her biggest love interest thanks to JLU and DCAU in general until Wonder Woman movie news came out and they asked who Steve was.
>>81955962
That's Wonder Woman Earth One.
>>81956035
>>81956048
Misread that shit too. And replied to the wrong person...I am going to sleep.
>>81956007
Could be interesting, but also would make it waaaay to easy to make Ares her "I hate you dad!" archenemy.
I agree that I think an interesting take on Wonder Woman would be exploring the tension between her warrior and diplomat personalities. On the one hand she's born with warrior instincts on the other she was raised in paradise and taught to love everyone.
>>81956030
If anything, it's a reinforcement.
>>81956007
Not to mention that her being Zeus' daughter wasn't just done for shits and grins in Azz's run. It actually serves a purpose in the story. The whole of his run is a family drama involving the Olympians and the children of Zeus. The villain is a child of Zeus. Diana's allies are children of Zeus. The wife of Zeus starts as a villain and becomes a crucial supporting cast member.
Having Diana herself be related to the Olympians ties her more intimately into the proceedings. It's all one big family drama in the end.
Which, again, is why I'm surprised they're keeping it. It works for Azz's story but not necessarily for other stories.
>>81955867
No one knows shit about that clay crap they just think she's princess of the Amazona but don't know the specifics and I fucking hate the Zeus origin, it is the most generic hack shit I have ever fucking seen. Percy Jackson is more creative than that shit. Also if there any Superhero movie you want to avoid comparisons with its the stale white bread that is Thor.
>>81955534
>Seriously, what is the aversion to the clay origin?
It's completely dull. Zeus gave WW plenty of siblings to work with and better place to hang out than Paradise Island.
>>81956136
You have to remember for the most people who aren't Wonder Woman fans it's agreed she is at her best when dealing with Greek gods, myths, and lore. It's what consistently works for her too and even her fans generally like it, they just like the rest of her stuff too. Of course they're going to keep the thing that ties her more into the ideas where she's considered most interesting.
>>81956225
You don't need to make her the daughter of Zeus to have her hang with Olympians, she was doing that for years before. Being a Greek lady Captain Marvel gave her plenty of reasons for that but if you gotta make her someone's daughter make it someone more interesting than him.
>>81956062
>but I think you're too optimistic when it comes to thinking what most people know about her.
>>81956062
>My more casual friends thought that Batman was her biggest love interest thanks to JLU and DCAU in general until Wonder Woman movie news came out and they asked who Steve was.
That's precisely a consequence of the handling of the clay origin and subsequent storylines/depictions through the decades.
>Mom makes WW out of clay
>WW grows up on Paradise Island
>Steve Trevor washes up
>WW ends up going to Man's World
>WW just exists, some shit happens that never sticks to define her as a character to the masses, whose most vivid memories continue to be the old TV show where she spun around and just kinda did heroic shit
Who's [Trinity]'s archnemesis?
>Lex Luthor, who thinks himself the brilliant savior/CEO of humanity and can't stand Superman upstaging him and giving the masses hope that they can better themselves and their world
>The Joker, a psychotic, enigmatic agent of crime and chaos who might've inadvertently been made at Batman's own hands
>Cheetah...a chick in a cat costume, unless she's dangerously furry...and she uh...steals stuff??
Who's in [Trinity]'s supporting cast?
>Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane, Supergirl
>Robin, Commissioner Gordon, Alfred
>Uh...the pilot...her mom...there's a Wondergirl, right?
That's not to say that if, for example, WW had always been a child of Zeus since her creation, no clay origin, she'd be in a better position. Still would have to deal with all the issues surrounding the character and the writers who had to do their jobs
But I will suggest the chance would be much higher that she'd have her own movie before 2017.
>>81956007
But Ares is Hippolyta's father in the myths right?
>>81955171
I'd be fine if she shared a kinship with the gods. Like if the clay she was born form has some of Chronos blood or flesh mixed in. Like when he was cut into a million pieces not everything was collected.
Zeus kinda seems more mundane than being born of clay.
For a bit Pre-Crisis, Hippolyta was the daughter of Ares, and Diana was his grand-daughter. Close enough bond for the family connection, and less dad drama
>>81956463
Greek gods don't give a shit about incest.
>>81956455
The problem with Wonder Woman is never been in one consistant status quo. Nearly every new creative team just washed the slate clean and starts a new.
It's happening again with Rebirth.
Superman and Batman on the other hand? The 70s was largely consistent for the two, as were the 80s, and Superman started to get shaked up in the 90s and even today but he still tends to hold the same basic concepts and ideas even then. It's what makes normies grasp their imagery and concepts so much easier.
>>81956379
yeah, but this time she's an equal as an olympian. In the old days she's always just a servant, even when she ascended as goddess of truth.
>>81955128
I was wondering where I saw him from. Well being an Australian myself I prolly seen him at a con but he was from Fury Road.
>>81955171
Probably this, unfortunately.
Maybe they'll somehow manage to get both origins in there?
>>81956225
Are you drunk?
Zeus being her dad is so much more mundane, easy, and obvious.
>>81955171
I was okay with Cassie being a child of Zeus (in fact it was probably the only thing I liked out of Johns's Titans) but Diana getting the same feels less right.
I like they clay origin, kind of gives me a pygmalion vibe.
>>81955128
Not bad.
>>81955128
She gets blacked
>>81956587
That's what Ares looked like Pre-Crisis?
I like that how he's not literally a demon like Perez made him.
I like Nicola Scott, she is a great artist for WW
>>81956587
If she's clay, she's not really related to any of them. she's like Pygmalion's sculpture
>>81957386
See that's what I -didn't- like about her origin. The implication that she wasn't a "real" woman like the way entering a depowering field turned her into clay sometimes, or Clayface could partially absorb her etc.
It also sometimes raised the idea that the only way a woman could be as brave strong kind etc as Wonder Woman is is if she was custom made for that exact purpose.
>>81955128
>Quentin
Thanks for making me depressed.
>>81955171
>>81957181
Moulded in clay then struck by the lightning of Zues which brought her to life
>>81963492
>It also sometimes raised the idea that the only way a woman could be as brave strong kind etc as Wonder Woman is is if she was custom made for that exact purpose.
This.
With the new origin, she shows the Amazon culture is not bad. She's a product of it, so every amazon(\woman) can be like her.
We probably should have got more showing of amazons displaying positive traits, but that wasn't important during Azzarello's story... and of course the Finches complete murder any hope the amazons had to be portrayed as "flawed and messed up by centuries of isolation but not inherently bad" in n52
>>81955128
I keep forgetting Scott is Australian
>>81963492
>The implication that she wasn't a "real" woman
This is why I never liked the clay origin, but I also dislike the Zeus baby origin.
If you have to make her a demigod there are a zillion Olympians you could choose to be her father. Hell, doesn't even have to be a male god. Though, I'd prefer it if she just found some guy and got knocked up. If you wanted the father to matter it could be someone from the Justice Society.Of course, I'm the only person on the planet who actually likes the idea of Hippolyta functioning as Wonder Woman during WWII.
>>81963813
I actually kind of like that idea, but who from the JSA could be Wondy's dad?
>>81963962Black Adam
>>81955534
Clay origin wasn't even her original origin. It's lame. Why does it need to be clay?
>>81964093
l...lewd
>>81964165
>Clay origin wasn't even her original origin. It's lame. Why does it need to be clay?
>Clay origin wasn't even her original origin.
>Clay origin wasn't even her original origin.
Wonder Woman was a baby transformed from clay since her first issues in the golden age.
>>81963962
Wildcat.
>>81964215
Was she? I thought that didn't come about until issues later.
>>81964215
Nah she had a dad in the Golden Age who was just some dude.
>>81964215
No, she wasn't.
>>81964466
Wait no one that was the Silver Age where she had a dad.
>>81955128
Thinking anything by cucka is going to be good
>>81955534
It's limiting, it makes the character unable to relate to literally everybody else who had a mom and a dad. And it added not only power to her character but new story opportunities.
>>81955867
What is your creepy attachment to it. Why does she have to keep it? How about instead of deriding Zeusbaby you actually point to where it was anything close to a salient plot point.
>>81955962
he is, in that his spunk combined with her egg. It was a shitty halfway think to appease wonderfags who insist she has to be made of clay, while acknowledging that Diana having a father provides the perfect explanation for why she has powers.
>>81956136
>works here and not for anywhere else...
Why? How does her being zeus daughter affect stories, other than the handful where her being a golem has been used?
>>81956645
She had one for over sixteen years with Perez/Loeb/Byrne/Luke/Jiminez.
And 70's Batman versus 80's and 90's batman? Completely different character. Batman pre 86 went to Zur En Ahrr. He had a fucking dog and was mostly friendly. Batman post 86' was a emotionally crippled, badass who refused to appear in public before cameras.
80's and 90's Superman's parents were alive, prior to that his mom and dad were dead. Superman was married to Lois in the 90's, pre crisis 70's he wasn't. You obviously don't know what the fuck your talking about.
>>81964735
I like the father aspect for giving Diana ties to the Man's World. I don't understand why people think it's an issue for a man to be involved when that seems to go against the theme of Wonder Woman connecting these two worlds. "No father" makes it sound like that kind of feminism where men are always the problem.
>>81964903
That IS kinda the feminism wonder woman is about though. Her mission was to show man's world the superiority of an all female society. She is supposed to show men that loving submission to female mistresses is what's best.
>>81965004
Yeah, I guess you could argue Marston would like it but his Wondy didn't have the clay origin and I don't know if that's the best angle to take.
>>81965004
>That IS kinda the feminism
Why? Because marston said so. Fuck that guy. He never met Hillary Clinton or maggie Thatcher. Taking Marston's rancid view of gender relations as gospel is like saying batman should always wield guns and wear purple gloves, or superman should be a raging socialist asshole. Characters grew over the following twenty years for a reason. The Wonder Woman that is the enduring icon is not Marstons barely disguised bondage porn. it is Carter's tv show. That iconoclast exists for a reason.
>>81965121
>>81965160
>He never met Hillary Clinton or maggie Thatcher.
What point are you even trying to make here?
>>81965485
I believe we are supposed to identify them as terrible leaders
>>81965485
What point? Marston thought women were all about peace and shit. He thought if women ran things it would be a utopia. Bullshit.
>>81965575
That's a simplistic view on it, what he thought was feminine values were the ones that should lead society. There is a reason almost all feminists completely disavowed Thatcher, and most Hilary, too.
Its not about having a vagina, it's about embodying the values that Marston thought of as feminine - that is the entire point of the Wonder Woman character.
Why does /co/ so adamantly jack itself off to the clay origin and hate the daughter of Zeus one? Is it a not muh scenario or what?
>>81965799
It's always a "not muh" scenario
>>81965714
That's fucking convenient. Only the good of womankind gets claimed. Anybody can fucking do that.
>>81965799
some of it is comblr coming to the fore like this asshole>>81965714
defending of all things feminism.
>>81955962
She was a test tube baby in Earth One not a rape baby.
Why are there people missing that?
>>81965896
A lot of people read without comprehending especially when the writer doesn't spoonfeed.
>>81965913
Also because it was bizarre and slightly disturbing
>>81965913
But it directly says that they're an island of science fiction lesbians and Hippolyta literally says she mixed genetic material by choice.
>>81965861
>>81965874
Don't be fucking retarded, I was just trying to explain his ideology. Don't be like those mindbroken fucks from /pol/ who think every single conversation is an argument about GENDER WAR, or race or something like that. I never even indicated I agreed with Marston.
>>81965963
"mixed genetic material" can be interpreted as a euphemism
>>81965896
>>81965913
>>81965963
>>81966049
You are confusing Earth One with Year One.
>>81965896
She could be both. Depending on when and how willing Hercules was to dispense with his seed at the time.
>>81966049
I guess but it just seems dumb to me. You don't even have to have read any of his interviews to see that they were intentionally presented as very scientific.
>>81966159
IIRC it doesn't even say seed. Just genetic material. Could be anything.
>>81966095
No confusion, we're specifically discussing Earth One right now.
>>81966204
The first anon seems to have mixed them up.
>>81965799
The clay origin is a little more unique, the daughter of zeus bit is a little more generic I guess.
>>81966204
Preconceptions can be very hard to shake. Even seeing all the crazy sci fi shit, one can still end up assuming more classical interpretations of what is said/done.
>>81964735
I prefer her powers come from her items.
Legend of Wonder Woman still has the best way to deal with it AND with the clay origin, as well as the reproduction of the amazons
I honestly I don't care as much about Diana's birth as I do that it's a matter of Hippolyta yearning for a child and gaining one. I would even take one of Donna's old origins where she's just some normal kid that ends up there.
>>81966674
yeah, in many ways Diana's birth is more important to Hyppolita(and therefore their relationship) than to Diana
