Basically a large mainstream publisher willing to print creator penned series. Something within other genres aside from the typical Marvel/DC fare.
Leaving creators to their own devices but still publishing their stuff on a near equal footing to the big two capeshit companies.
Independent comics that actually gain some notice actually do well, Ghostworld, Scott Pilgrim, Cerberus, Saga, Persepolis, Walking Dead, they all got some notoriety and mainstream attention. So it is not as if non cape comics do really badly.
>>81906491
Shonen Jump WAS published in the West retard
>wanting comics to be printed on toilet paper
>>81906491
That's pretty much Image's entire business model.
>>81906549
What happened to them?
They were doing good at matching the big two then....nothing.
Now DC owns half their properties.
>>81906491
Manga writers/artists are poor as fuck, who'd want to deal with abusive companies on the west
>>81906645
They're still around and honestly way better than they initiallly started out. Hell, I've heard that while it isn't saying much, even Spawn is better than it was in the 90s.
>>81906491
Get the fuck back to /a/ asshole
>>81906603
>>81906607
And you think this is what op was talking about?
>>81906725
I was a huge fan of Maxx and I read a couple other series but I was mainly looking for something very non cape. So I never bothered with Spawn or much of the old Wildstorm.
It wouldn't happen now, considering magazines are a dying industry.
Shonen Jump was popular as hell in the west when it was initially released, but it went the way of the dodo soon enough, simply because online became too convenient.
>>81906660
This. Plus usually literally one or two people get the entire credit for a given manga series, at least everyone who worked on a particular comic gets credited. Wish I had the link saved where a comic editor went over to Japan to see what was up and was fucking horrified by how shitty things were there.
pretty much everyone but the big 2 prints anthologies, I think even Vertigo did at one point
>>81906845
I tend to think this is the case.
A Comic phonebook with 10 or so series in it with game news and tv stuff would have worked out in the 80's and 90's but print is dead now. It would only be a total waste of time on anyone's part. Just read stuff online now.
>>81906868
I like how the My Hero Academia author showcases his assistants in each volume.
how fucking horrible is the manga industry that they can do a year digital subscription for $25
>>81906995
Not even that, Japan is pretty much a textbook study on worker exploitation.
>>81906935
>I think even Vertigo did at one point
But Vertigo is part of the Big 2.
wasn't DC buying up every other company around for decades a big part of everything consolidating into 2 cape companies?
Image tried anthologies, but people were too insecure about internet-memes to buy it.
>>81906491
Yeah that's basically image comics.
>>81908183
Post the pasta
>>81908183
I ain't gonna lie, it doesn't look terribly appealing, furry characters aside.
>>81908309
>it's January
>in The Year of Our Lord 2016
>be in my local LCS shop
>nervously approach the shopkeep
>ask for my pull list
>shopkeeper grins and starts talking loudly
>"Oh, you want the latest issue of Island? I hear it's ~furry~ good."
>other patrons are turning to look
>shopkeep holds up the issue for all to see
>"I bet you can't wait to get your ~paws~ on this one!"
>other patrons are now giggling
>I start to get sweaty, feel my face turning red
>I yank the issue out of their hands
>"What's the matter? I'm just ~horsing~ around with you!"
>all the patrons are laughing at me
>even that cute qt that I like
>I hand the shopkeep my allowance and run out
>I can feel their eyes on me
>I can feel the kibble tumbling out of my pockets
>I'm so martyfied that I can never return there ever again
Th-th-th-th-thanks, Brandon.
>>81906491
Not enough readers.
Diamond has a stranglehold on distribution.
Digital is easier and cheaper.
>>81906607
>not wanting comics to be printed on toilet paper
Does Heavy Metal count?
2000AD
Dark Horse Presents
Island
Heavy Metal
When will the people who claim to want anthologies actually start BUYING anthologies?
>>81906491
I just want comics to be in monthly magazines like this instead of single issues. I'd actually read comics if that happened.
>>81908810
This image is 10/10. Fucking tiles, man.
>>81909118
He wasn't talking about anthologies man. Did you read the actual post?
>>81909131
Well then here ya' go:
http://www.amazon.com/A-Force-Presents-Vol-Willow-Wilson/dp/0785198989
It's on vol. 4 right now.
>>81909253
Neat, thanks.
>>81906645
You must have been away from comics for a while. Image is popular again and is basically the company described in the OP.
>>81906781
OP asked if anything like Shounen Jump was ever possible to have in the west, and the answer is yes, Shounen Jump is published in the West.
>>81906845
I tought it was because Viz media was raising its ugly head with its bullshit policies
>No female nudity
>Visual edits
>Dub names
>4kids/Saban/Pre-Kai Funimation tier dialogue
>Self censorship
>Gee i wonder why scanlations still exist!
>>81909230
What the fuck is OP talking about?
Image Comics? That already exists.
yes it's called Image comics you weeb
>>81909572
Kids didn't care about any of that. It was entirely the death of print media. Viz is still putting out Jump in digital form after all.
>>81909754
>American Kids didn't care about any of that so its OK to NOT educate them
We Mexicans didnt have this shit, we had Dragonball and Saint Seiya UNCENSORED even in manga form!
Only the US man, ONLY THE US.
>>81906607
Yeah comics should be cheap and disposable. Save nice paper for collections
>>81909754
>Kids didn't care about any of that. It was entirely the death of print media. Viz is still putting out Jump in digital form after all.
And at the very least, did they FINALLY dropped out this BS? >>81909572
isnt that what heavy metal is?
>>81909911
Mexico isn't America, sorry. You might think you are because your country is on the North American continent, but like Canada, you aren't actually American. You're accessories.
>>81909519
worse reading comprehension than /v/
>>81906660
>Manga writers/artists are poor as fuck,
So are American/western ones as well.
>>81906868
There's nothing wrong with this, you're a fucking assistant. Sous chefs don't get their name in front of the restaurant. And plenty of assistants get credited in the back of the collected editions, I've even seen it in porn manga.
Honestly, I'm not quite sure what OP means.
WSJ has the similar levels of editorial interference as DC/Marvel. The essential difference is that 1) they produce chapters more often, which usually means interference is less appropriate and 2) they rarely, if ever, have to worry about crossovers or anything since the universe of their story is isolated.
The idea that WSJ editors do nothing is silly. The idea that WSJ manga is more like prestige American comics as opposed to Big2 capeshit is also silly.
>>81910796
Going along with the lack of credit thing said in the other post, I think that he has a point. Comics putting the name of not only the writer/artist, but also the letterer, inker etc. provides them with name recognition. If I really enjoy a certain inker's work, I'll be more inclined to watch out for it and buy their future stuff.
Referring to your assistant example, it's gotta feel pretty shitty to only get a passing mention in the back of a book if you want to get your name out there and perhaps one day start getting your own independent series published
>>81906979
and he seems to give plenty of support for the assistants who become pros as well. nice fella.
>>81909519
>>81909617
Fucking morons
>>81911504
Nobody knows what you're talking about OP.
American anthologies already exist.
American creator-owned comics already exist.
What else do you want, OP?
A comic named Cerberus? No, that doesn't exist. You might be thinking of Cerebus though.
>>81911504
>>81909617
>OP asks about non capeshit comic
>Anon lists capeshit company
you smart real good anon, real good
>>81909911
>Dragon Ball uncensored
That's bullshit and you know it
>>81906491
if england counts as 'the west' then yes. Ever heard of The Beano?
>>81912110
>Image Comics
>capeshit company
What? They put out three cape comics alongside 50 non-cape. The fuck are you on about?
>>81912110
>image
>capeshit
>walking dead
>saga
>low
>southern bastards
>manifest destiny
>theif of theives
>outcast
>rasputin
>deadly class
>manhattan project
Those are just off the top of my head.
>>81914803
That anon presumably hasn't read anything from Image since the 90s.
>>81912136
Yes we Have, 2 times, by Editorial VIs and Panini
>>81908183
that literally looks like the worst thing ive ever seen. If that ever saw a physical release whoever is responsible should shoot the person that OK'd it and then hang themselves
>>81906491
I still have the first 30~ original prints of US Shonen Jump in perfect condition. They aren't worth shit but just saying...
i like it when /a/ leaks in /co/ without any knowledge about comics aside from his DC Marvel garbage cause he rode the nurd bandwagon when movies came out
>>81915931
Island has cool covers too.
But nobody talks about Island when it has cool covers.
Uncool covers are the only thing which get people to be aware that Island even exists.
>>81916132
>>81908183
Okay I missed something. Is this real? Do the hard blush anthros have their own comic now?
>>81916277
They have a 30-page story in issue #6 of an anthology series named Island.
>>81916340
>>81916450
>>81916479
>>81916510
>>81916549
so, basically people knows about Island only because furry bait?
>>81916863
People who care about comics knew about Island since before issue #1.
Casuals know about Island because of issue #6.
>>81906491
So basically what Dark Horse or Image or most other comic companies do.
>>81906935
Exclusing manga anthologies and digest-style short story collections, monthly/bi-monthly anthologies haven't been good sellers in North America since at least the late 1980s, though. At least that's the reason I hear from editors everytime the idea of publishing a monthly anthology is brought up in an interview. Even Dark Horse Presents, arguably the most popular bi-monthly North American (non-magazine) comics anthology series being published today, sells anywhere between 5,000 to 6,000 copies a month (which would be cancellation numbers if the title didn't also serve as a sort of proving ground for new story and character concepts). It's just a different market these days, I guess, with different preferences.
>>81906491
You should read more comics and stop being a casual. There are a ton of creator owned comics. DC has vertigo image exists. Complain about the fans they don't buy the shit
>>81906491
You know what I hate about the mangaka routine?
They do this so damn cheap, it's literally ink and newspaper paper, but they do this on the fly and on schedule
Why in the world would they not just make the volumes and sell those? The weekly release is such a killer for the artists and fans, fans might like the instant gratification and faster release, but literally noone will say the weekly pages are enough
Even if they still release it weekly for fans, why don't they just mass produce volumes ahead of time and then slowly release it weekly?
Comics are a whole other issue, less material for MONTHLY releases, but they have color and special prints.
>>81908183
>ONTA, known for illustrating incredibly hot porn comics.
>make a none porn comic of porn star characters.
What a fucking loser.
>>81911145
If an assistant wants to publish their own manga then they have to create a manga and pitch it to a publisher. They can also try doujinshi first.
I find it doubtful that anyone would even pay attention to assistants. Nobody cares about in-betweeners or colorists in anime either (of course they do valuable work, but you know what I mean).
>>81919038
He's also a gay furry artist; because of this fact Island #6 could not be storytimed here but in /trash/ and some thread deletions occurred.
>>81919966
that is funny
>>81919966
did someone try to storytime but switch the order of stories so it looked like a thread with a random op?
>>81906491
maybe if comics would be sold in more than comic book stores
the only reason why archie still sells is because it sells itself at news stands
>>81908183
c'mon look at that cover art, don't tell me you'd be embarrassed to buy this in front of a store clerk
>>81923837
*you wouldn't be embrassed
>>81909253
>reccomending that trash
Had comics continued being sold at newsstands for cheap, sure. If you're alright with inked only works there's plenty of web comics around. You could also... I dunno, read manga if you like the format so much. It's not like mainstream Western comics are significantly better than the East anyway.
How is that Avatar Press anthology thing that was announced a while ago going?
>>81925002
Has a May debut date set in stone.
In Italy we have something similar: Linus and Lanciostory. Linus publishes (since 1965) the best comics from the world, most of them very popular in their countries, while Lanciostory publishes the best independent comics. We actually have a lot of these magazines here
>>81906660
They are not "poor" as fuck. Their base salary is smaller than in the west, but their total revenue combining tankobon and random mechandize and anime, a well known manga artist makes easly double what a big comics artist makes on a big Graphic Novel, on a monthly basis.
There is a reason for why the chick that wrote Inuyasha was the richest woman in her country.
>>81919966
Is there anything in there that actually would make it ban? Or just because it's furry so against the rules?
>>81926319
There are no nude genitals in that issue, so just the latter.
>>81906491
Interesting thing about WSJ is the series depend on popularity polls to even keep going. Too low in the rankings and you're axed and you have to rush an ending.
>>81906979
Could you maybe post a page example? This sounds super adorable that he lists all his assistants.
>>81906491
I actually have a digital Shonen Jump subscription. If Marvel/DC ever decided to put a digital product forward that was similarly aggressively priced, plus with little bonuses sent in the mail occasionally, I'd go for it. $30 bucks a year for a weekly magazine with over 100 pages worth of comics is something I'll gladly spend money on.
>>81923831
I do think taking comics out of stores and only selling them in Comic shops hurt a lot. They are not so accessible because of that
>>81923837
>>81923847
Well... I wouldnt be more embarrassed than buying a funnybook about musclemen in spandex punching each other.
>>81924038
I never said it was good, just that it existed. Buying 6 single issues of different comics instead of 6 single issues of a single comic is incredibly stupid.
>>81906491
>Yu-Gi-Oh and Naruto
Looks like the Japanese equivalent of capeshit to me senpai
>>81906491
It's really difficult to ape the WSJ model because we don't have a similar distribution system (convenience stores that everyone, including kids, go to on a weekly-ish basis), and because, hard as American comickers work, there's no way that they'll put up with the conditions that mangaka do, in order to push out a product over and over.
>>81930457
That's exactly what Shonen Jump is. Shonen manga are to the east what capes are to the west.
>>81926319
it's because it was fucking terrible in every sense and we can't stomach any more of it
Why do we have to copy the comic-culture of other countries?
Everyone has its own format that works the best for them.
US - monthly floppies, 20 pages in color
Japan - weekly anthologies, 20 pages in b/w
Europe - annual bande dessinee, 40 oversized pages
>>81906607
I would be fine with. Most comics are not worth saving so one might as well save some money on toilet paper at the same time.
>>81931313
>save some money on toilet paper
Printing a floppy (in color and good paper) costs around 50 cents nowadays.
You really think that if they switch to shitty paper the cover-price will magically drop to $1.99 ?
>>81931313
This is kind of true, I look over at the stack of back issues I have lying around. I really have zero use for them ten minutes after reading them.
>>81906645
Dude....don't you read Invincible?
And hell, Chew is one of my fave solo series by Image.
Yeah, DC owns some of the superhero properties form Image. No big deal: Image ahs a lot of other stuff going on. Image is p. boss
>>81916277
>>81908183
...holy shit.
Doxy, aka Onta.
Actually got a damn comic published in Image.
FUCKING IMAGE.
HOLY SHIT
>>81932436
I know, right? When I was a kid I would save all my comics because comics were expensive with my allowance. I also couldn't tell how bad a lot of the writing was, so they didn't annoy me like they do now. So I would just stockpile them.
I kinda kept that habbit as an adult with a bunch of stupid junk. Now I just buy magazines about all sorts of stuff all the time. I just end up throwing them away years later because I saved them "just in case". I should get into the habbit of cutting out the really interesting articles worth saving into a binder and throw away the rest of the magazine upon finishing them.
So I wouldn't really mind having comics and magazines in a cheaper paper.
>>81932650
Does it work if Tony Chew soaks his foods in beet juice? Or makes beet-burgers where he mashes up ground beef and ground beets together?
>>81930480
The difference is that shounen is recomended upfront to kids and teenagers. Capecomics is a bit all over the place with the age range.
>>81932436
I've taken to basically buying only image comics because of this. I used to try buying the DC/marvel comics I wanted to survive but after a few years realized it really makes no difference and I just end up with piles of comics I have no use for. I regularly toss out stuff I bought but have no desire to re-read or lend out because I don't want to buy another long box
>>81933320
I have ended up buying a lot of stuff that I never ended up reading out of habbit and thinking that I would catch up to it later.
>>81933320
>implying Image comics are worth saving
I remember a story about Michel Fiffe would just get boxes of cheap comics from like dollar bins and sales and shit and read them all and then just dump the box. if only all comics had that disposablity
>>81933189
As a genre, superheroes is meant for kids and teens.
It's just that manchildren obsess over it, whereas in Japan, the manchildren obsess over moe.
>>81933479
Saving a publication just for the brand is typically not worth it.
>>81933569
Yeah, that entire thing Alan Moore did in the 80's when he wanted to advance comics as a medium backfired. He was trying to make a point of the possibility of authors thinking outside the box and dropping conventions. Instead authors just decided to get into his box instead because it seemed to generate money and fame.
Now as a result the conventions are a lot of obligatory rape, morbid psychology and freak violence in cape comics.
>>81933320
>I regularly toss out stuff I bought but have no desire to re-read
>toss out
Why don't you donate them to your local library?
>>81933603
>>81933479
It's not that I save them because they're Image, but more that I just buy creator owned stuff these days, and Image happens to publish the ones I follow
>>81934049
That's not a bad idea, I'll have to look into that
>>81918773
>They do this so damn cheap, it's literally ink and newspaper paper,
It's 500+ pages of content, of course its gonna be cheap.They'd be morons to print on higher quality paper, they're not meant to be collected.
>Why in the world would they not just make the volumes and sell those?
The same reason we produce single issues and then trades: money,gauge fan interest,etc. It's far riskier to make an entire volume of work, release it and hope people buy it.
>Even if they still release it weekly for fans, why don't they just mass produce volumes ahead of time and then slowly release it weekly?
They kinda do this, some are a few weeks ahead incase something happens. Also most manga magazines are not weekly, most are monthly or bi monthly.
>>81931313
>get to a page that makes u rage
>you have diarrhea
>use that single page and wipe your shit
I would like this.
>>81933927
>wanted to advance comics as a medium
>wrote a bunch of edgy and pretentious superhero fanfics
ok
>>81933071
No. Just. Beets.
Ground beef gives him a perspective of the last moments of a cow. it's horrifying. The sledge hammer or the saw... he sees it all. experiences it all.
Vegetables are equally horrified.
Beets are just kinda... "eh". Like they already resigned themselves. they have no desires or fears. so. Beets.
>>81933071
He gets asked to eat corpse bits quite often, if that helps you any.
>>81935319
Well, nobody said Moore was GOOD at executing his goals.
Shoulda prayed harder to that ancient snake god.
>>81935319
I would be edgy too if I grew up as a poorfag in the UK.
>>81932650
Man, the art back then was way more subdued. It's gotten pretty exaggerated even for his style.
I thought up until issue 40 it was pretty great, but after that (Vol. 9 on) has been drawing it out. I'm losing interest quickly with the last few arcs. I don't really anticipate a good ending.
>>81911795
>Nobody knows what you're talking about OP
>Nobody except everyone but me on this thread
Are you really like this, or are you just baiting people?
>>81934484
Not part of this so far, but I use my library all the time for comics. I'm lucky in that it's a really well funded library in a very liberal town, so pretty much anything you request they bring in.
They don't do floppies though, because it would be hard to lend them out without them being totally destroyed. People are not respectful of library books.
>>81935913
I think the problem was that in the 80's he was more naive about the industry. Maybe he thought that he could for real and help bring on a positive change in a medium that was for the most part viewed as underserving as a platform for thoughtful stories? Maybe he thought the he would help break a stagnation and years later he realised that he started the next great stagnation?
>>81908183
I don't have a problem with the comic having furries in it, but they're just fucking ugly.
>>81906607
>Not wanting comics printed on newsprint.
Hell floppies should be total newsprint.
Give the hardcover collections actual gloss paper. (Or matte for stories intended to be. It burns me to no end when a matte story is printed on gloss)
>>81937226
Moore was too late, fanboys ran the industry. Most people didn't make comics for the art of making comics, they did it cause they wanted to play with Superman/Batman/Spider-Man etc etc.
>>81939699
>Hell floppies should be total newsprint.
For what purpose?
They wouldnt get cheaper.
>>81906607
Jump Magazine is low-quality recycled paper, because is for read when you travel in the Shinkansen. If you want support the mangaka, tankobons exists
>>81926510
BRING BACK MX0
>>81936106
>I'm losing interest quickly with the last few arcs
As mentioned already in this thread, I sometimes go months forgetting Chew is ongoing just because it's monthly
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>>81939754
I think he would had been more successful with his cause if he would have not tried to use cape comics as his springboard. However, when an entertainment is profit driven from the start someone is bound to sell out the cause for a quick buck.
>>81939947
That format actually looks pretty appealing and easy to flip through on the breakfast table.
>>81939947
They would if it was b&w instead of full color.
>>81935565
Spices? black pepper, chiles? Parsley?
>>81940852
b&w on shitty paper saves maybe what? 30 cents?
not enough to drop the cover-price significantly
>>81941320
Then printed comics will become a luxury item and everyone is just gonna read them online.
>>81941589
>printed comics will become a luxury item and everyone is just gonna read them online.
>will become
ha!
>>81906491
There are collections like Flight. But new bits from recent comic aren't published that way. Probably because western Comics are already short. A chapter in Jump is probably as long as a whole western comic.
>>81908183
I dont think thats a good cover, it has like zero composition or actual artistic values, is just the cast cropped from the waist down because the legs are hard to draw, even if it was furry I could have done better with a better cover.
>>81943189
>cropped from the waist down because the legs are hard to draw
this meme again
