Why is 616 so obsess with the Super Soldier Serum when they could be mass producing Spider-men and Hulks instead? They are superior to the SSS in every way possible.
>>81866646
Spider-Man's origin is mostly a total secret, and a complete accident.
Most people just assume Spider-Man is a mutant or something.
>>81866646
I would assume because it's been proven to work
>>81866679
Everyone knows that Spider-man was bitten by a radioactive spider. Even that cloning fetishist Jackal knew and decided to replicate it with bedbugs instead.
So from the government's perspective, how beneficial was turning General Ross into a Hulk?
>>81866802
To be fair, Jackal probably found out after he started fucking with Peter's genes.
>>81866646
Marvel is centered around the USA and what's more patriotic than steroids?
>focusing all this money and effort on the weapon plus program
>instead of stealing the inventions of the supervillains you keep locking up and mass producing them
Imagine an army of sinister six men, packing Shocker Gauntlets, Vulture's flight harness, ock's metal arms, and other assorted sci-fi gadgets.
>the stilt-man squadron where everyone is stilt-man.
>>81866802
People like Norman Osborn and Jackal aren't really "everyone." We're talking about people obsessed with Spider-Man as their nemesis.
The radioactive spider isn't a super-secret thing, but there are probably fewer people that know about the spider then know Peter's secret identity, and that's already a tiny number compared to the population of governmental and/or private super-soldier programs that would be attempting to weaponize super powers and will have barely even heard of Spider-Man compared to Captain America, whom they probably have lots of files and science reports on.
>>81866646
Why doesn't the gummit replicate Luke Cage' skin, and give their soldiers +100 Defense?
>>81866922
>A general that is loyal to the US military with powers of the Hulk
>A bad thing
>>81866679
Same goes with the Hulk. Sure you can create Hulk-like people, but I don't anyone has yet replicated the conditions that gave Banner rage empowerment, etc.
>>81867061
Why would you want a slow Luke Cage when you could have a fast and agile Spider-man that is just as strong?
>>81866922
They didn't
Mass producing Hulks is a bad idea because they're either too powerful to control or too weak to be the kind of consummate threat that real Hulks are
>>81867092
Ross attempted a military coup like a month after turning into Red Hulk while allied with a team of supervillains
So
Yes it was a bad idea
>>81867658
He was brainwashed with his daughter held hostage then, it doesn't count.
>>81867658
The supervillains who turned him into the Hulk
This is not hard to understand, the US government did not try to make Hulks and has never tried to make Hulks or to use the Hulk as a weapon. There have been gamma experiments making Hulk like people but it's never been a focus, very fringe
>>81867061
Because if you try to get TOO strong, your entire body turns steel-hard, even the organs, and you can't breathe.
Also, it's a massive pain in the ass to do surgery on Luke Cage.
>>81867592
You don't need mass produced Hulks to face threats like Hulk and Thor. That is what the actual Hulk and Thor are for. You are not going to be using them within your own borders. Mostly in trouble regions when the US military are stationed.
And besides an average Hulk is still sufficient to deal with 99% of the Earth related problems. HYDRA being a dick? Throw a Hulk at it. Bullseye being an edgelord? Throw a Hulk at it. Mutants starting a MutantLivesMatter movement? Throw a Hulk at it. Namor's annual surface world invasion? Throw a Hulk at it.
because at the end of the day cap is a baseline
every skinny army recruit you give the SSS to can be a cap. that is the max level
cap can still be killed with normal gunfire. spider-man and hulk are too unpredictable. the last thing you need is a gomer pyle who is hulked out and pissed at his drill sargeant, that's game over for your entire base lel
>>81867043
That would actually be a really cool storyline. Have the villains object to it, of course, and deal with the morality of if it's totally wrong using stolen evil technology despite using it for good purposes.
Has there ever been an attempt to make the ultimate hybrid?
Like an Asgardian/Mutant with the Super Soldier Serum, gets hit with gamma rays, etc, the whole shebang?
>>81868018
>Namor's annual surface world invasion? Throw a Hulk at it.
To be fair, you don't want to do that. Namor and Hulk are Bros. Last thing you need is Namor AND a Hulk wrecking your shit.
>>81871153
Well, we got a guy powered by Gamma rays, Pym Particles, the Lizard Formula, and some of the Super Soldier Serum.
He became the American Kaiju.
>>81866646
spider-man and hulk were accidents, also they are already mass producing hulk according to new avengers
>mass produce spider-men
>send them to battle in an area with no tall buildings
>stuck with faster/less strong SSS
Gee I wonder why anon
>>81871351
Cap isn't faster than Pete, it makes sense to swing above a crowded city.
>>81871179
A mass produced Hulk and Namor are bros? Since went? The two never met.
>>81871351
>he thinks Spider-man is weaker physically in comparison to Captain America
didn't hydra do just that, i want to say around just after siege, and there were the bannermen but they were from marvel boy. that's just off the top of my head. oh, and what about just using the old power broker tech? sure it's only class 10 strength and low damage resistance but come on.
>>81871952
Those were some low grade Captain America, Spider-man and Hulk clones.
>>81870556
Makes sense
>>81866646
Because the SSS is amazing from the perspective of the military. One injection and some radiation and you've got a soldier who can hump 70 pounds of gear for hours without effort, he can run, jump, sprint, even do a ballet performance in full battle rattle for years without knee or back injuries, he can use any weapon and fit in any vehicle currently fielded, and, most importantly, if he ever goes crazy or snaps he can be taken down by normal people with bullets. A Hulk gets you a transformation brought on by emotional instability, a giant fucking concern in the field, and a eight-foot tall rage monster who has decreasing control, composure, and intellect as they fight. Spider Soldiers require an additional vector to deliver their mutagenic properties and the risk of unwanted mutations during both primary exposure and later on. Both of them also require specialized measures should they go rogue.
>>81872806
Hence why they would place a bomb into the head of the Spider-men before giving them the radioactive spider enhancement. You go rogue? Your head explodes.
>>81873109
this is a Marvel thread, Waller
>>81873109
Amanda Waller please stop shitposting on /co/ and get back to work.
>>81873109
>>81873162
Great, so not only do we add surgery to the mix we also have soldiers running around with explosives in their head and a vulnerability to electronic warfare. Shit's gonna be awesome when your spider squad's heads go pop to common anti-IED equipment.
>>81873109
Yeah, because the Spider-Sense won't be interfered with a big danger always around.
>>81871221
Shit like this kinda cheapens the Hulk character a bit. Sure, yeah, no one has been able to replicate his ability to grow stronger and such, but why have THE Hulk if someone can just make another one with a slightly different powerset in a second?
Idunno.
>>81873664
Comic book power levels dictate that THE Hulk is always gonna be stronger than any knock off Hulks. Because of reasons, I guess.
>>81873542
No big danger if you don't think of betraying your country.
>>81867493
If you snuck into Luke Cage's house in the middle of the night and shot him in the fucking eye ball he would just get up and beat you to death and then go back to sleep.
If you sneak into Spider-Man's house in the middle of the night and shoot him anywhere a bunch of times he'd be dead. No Spideysense to save his ass while he's asleep. Or hell, a symbiote could sneak in and kill him without even triggering it.
>>81874020
>No Spideysense to save his ass while he's asleep
>>81874020
Spidey-scense work while Peter is sleeping, Symbiotes and some other alien/magical creatures however can avoid detection.
>>81866646
Because Captain America is loyal.
For the most part, Captain America has always followed the orders of his government. He's the perfect SOLDIER. Whereas Hulk and Spiderman have shown no hint of patriotism and loyalty.
The SSS makes Super-Soldiers, and the people trying to make the SSS don't want elite, small taskforces. They want a mass army of soldiers, and the SSS makes them perfect for that.
>>81874020
Luke Cage also weighs over 400 pounds. A squad of Sweet Christmas troops would be too heavy to move by Black Hawk.
>>81866646
Because the serum can turn you from a skinny nerd into a fucking handsome adonis.
Hulk makes you strong but you have anger issues and other retarded ahit and Spidey's accident isn't publicly known, for all people know he's an ugly buttfuck mutant under that mask.
>>81866646
MCU Hulk process is derived from the Suepr Soldier serum.
I wouldn't be surprised if they repurpose the super-spider that bit Pete to be tangentially connected to the SSS as well.
And the MCU government has been working with IGH - see Nuke.
>>81871351
Bruh SM is wayyy stronger and faster than Cap
>>81875132
He's faster, sure, but where have we seen Spidey do things that make him stronger than Cap?
>>81875188
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do you read comics?
>>81875188
He's lifted an entire building and thrown cars.
>>81875188
>>81875188
anyone got the Spock panel where he punches Mac's jaw clean off?
>>81875188
>but where have we seen Spidey do things that make him stronger than Cap?
Uh, yeah. All the time.
>>81875188
Do you even know who Spider-man is?
You don't even need to be a superfan. Like, even in the movies, Peter is lifting cars and stopping trains with his body.
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>>81875447
Okay, Spidey is clearly stronger than Cap.
>>81875463
I just figured Cap could do that, too, with his shield. At least the stopping trains bit,
>>81875188
>where have we seen Spidey do things that make him stronger than Cap?
>being this fucking stupid
>>81875507
fucking Spock man.I actually miss him.
>>81866646
why do that when you can combine super serum, hulk serum, and lizard serum?
>>81875750
Limited locations it can be placed without scaring the locals and causing them to shit their pants.
They don't want a new Captain America, they just want a Giant-Size Man-Thing.
