This comic's reputation has been irreversably damaged.
>>81865855
Says who?
>>81865855
You sure it's not just your Google search history?
And charge your damn phone!
>>81865855
Damaged like the Joker.
>>81867327
MOM'S
>>81867327
I don't think so anon, I don't see anything that clearly indicates that the Joker is damaged. If only there was a way...
>>81867361
GONNA
>>81867697
FREAK
>>81867697
FREAK
Surprise, surprise . . . it kind of always was a rape scene.
pic related
I personally hate the Killing Joke, you're not supposed to explain the backstory of the Joker. Don't humanize him.
>>81867797
Why? All that this panel proves is that he stripped her before taking the pictures. Which was shown in the released version as well.
Barbara was all anyone talked about anyway, that and the shitty recolor.
>>81867878
Let me guess, you don't need to read it when there are online summarys and wikis?
>>81865855
Sorry anon, Google associates that with you. Google results are not identical and the algorithm takes your search history into account.
>>81867964
I have actually read it, still don't like it.
>>81867934
Stripping and taking naked pictures of a person you just shot still sounds like sexual assault.
>>81867797
The only thing this changes is the presence of more prominent nudity. This unused page doesn't strengthen the argument. It was indeed a psychological and physical violation, but not a sexual one like every on social media tries to claim.
>>81865855
How come no one talks about Gordon's assault? They were both violated
>>81868008
Yeah, but sexual assault isn't rape. Groping someone is sexual assault. It's not rape unless there's forced penetration, which there wasn't.
I'm not saying that it wasn't horrific, I'm just saying it wasn't rape.
>>81868004
Then why are you even complaining about it giving joker a definitive origin story when that is not the case?
>>81868056
Because Jim wasn't permanently physically crippled because of it.
>>81867797
No way. I haven't read the Killing Joke but that picture cannot be real. That definitely wouldn't be allowed
>>81868107
What are you talking about? Yes it does give the Joker an origin.
>the shitty recolor as one of the first results
I agree, OP
>>81868056
>>81868128
also he's not just a prop for angst, he has a story and arc too.
>>81868192
One that is heavily implied to be wrong in the same comic. Again, did you actually read it or just read the summary?
>>81868210
Apparently, the new colors are what Bolland wanted originally.
>>81868277
It was some time ago and I might have missed that detail.
>>81868277
not him but the joker is the one who says his origin story is not true.
and why would you take his word for anything?
>>81868227
I wonder how many stories that could be applied to.
>Fucking Star Wars. Insensitive trash! It just up and burns to a skeletal crisp two characters just too set up someone else's motivation, without giving them an ark or anything! It's using those characters like they're just props!
>Conan should be banned! A whole village gets destroyed for like no reason! Those characters are tortured and killed by some sick fuck. How could this filth even be shown in cinemas?
>What do you mean Tarzan's parents just get killed? They didn't freaking deserve that! Fucking eaten alive by some predator in the middle of nowhere, their bones picked clean, their flesh ripped apart? What kind of message dows this send?
>Oh, of course Harry Potter's mother dies! She's just a weak fucking wizard who can't do nothing against the Anti-Christ, is that it? Gets killed just because this bastard is afraid of some make-believe story. This shit is unacceptable!
>>81868423
sorry
may not be true*
>>81868181
TKJ was going to be published in the Mature line DC had back in the day, but then DC decided to not and make the story canon.
>>81868438
This.
>>81868423
Yeah, but that's the point. It may be true, it may be not. Maybe Joker doesn't even know himself, but we can't know that for sure.
>>81868598
eh, if anything I think that the joker saying it may not even be true means it's more likely to be true
like saying something dirty about your past then saying "h-haha o-only joking"
>>81868051
actually that is dead on sexual assault
you might even get rape charge on top of that if he touched her privates
>>81866642
Heh
>>81868290
Yeah, and he's a massive faggot whose dead-set on ruining his own work.
>>81868698
it's more like blackmail.
sexual assault implies that the joker got off from taking the pictures, when really he was using the pictures to break gordon.
>>81868086
So, then, you apparently missed the part of the panels where there's a ton of blood around her groin . . .
>>81868962
FROM THE BULLET THAT SHOT HER YOU FUCKING IDIOT HOLY SHIT.
>>81868962
... That he was shot in the hip? No, I got it.
>>81868962
>Being this universe-endingly stupid.
>>81865855
>using google images as proof
um, what
>>81868962
Holy fuck do you even know what rape is?
Did you read the comic?
Do you know anything? Are you human? Are you retarded?
>>81868962
>So, then, you apparently missed the part of the panels where there's a ton of blood around her groin . . .
I wasnt aware people with Downs Syndrome could operate the internet.
>>81868962
What the fuck, do you think he fucked the bullethole?
Do you think he fucking tore open her vag?
How god damn stupid are you? Jesus christ this incredible.
>>81868962
>actual retardation
>>81868962
She was shot, you fucking mong.
>>81868962
>>81868962
Have you ever been laid?
![1433299229295[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/kipIQWt.jpg "1433299229295[1].png")
>>81868962
Ayy lmao
>>81868962
A classic example of the SJW not reading the source material
>>81868962
I'll admit, I've never fucked a virgin, but I'm pretty sure they don't bleed THAT much.
>>81868962
Do you know what a vagina is?
>>81868962
>>81868962
You dumb motherfucker.
>>81868692
He never told his origin to batman so that makes no sense. If he had told somebody prior, I could see that, but not that way. Has anyone here actually read the book?
![1433630107621[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/lnZFnLp.gif "1433630107621[1].gif")
>>81869697
>Reading
I want Nerds to get out
>>81868962
Stop. You're wrong, you never read this comic, you're just saying rape like a SJW does. You're an idiot.
I swear people like you are why comics are shit now. I bet you liked Man of Steel too, didn't you?
>>81868962
I don't know if you're trolling or just fucking dense
>>81868473
It was going to be like the Punisher MAX stories, right?
>>81869750
>Man of Steel
>bad
>>81868962
. . .
>>81867327
>>81865855
I'm going to read this today see if the people crying rape are simply wrong or outright retarded
>>81869750
>Hating on Man of Feels
>>81868962
Yup, fucked her so hard she couldn't walk afterwards.
>>81869826
Both.
You're right, look at all those fucking pictures of the puke-inducing recolor.
>>81867797
>>81869826
The dumbest thing about it is that the Joker shot and paralyzed Babs...but they're more concerned with whether or not undressing her is sexual assault.
Like the dude fucking shot her & paralyzed her...he's evil, he's not the hero, he was never meant to be portrayed as one.
The Joker beat Jason Todd with a crowbar and killed him, but apparently the worst thing he did was undress Barbara after he fucking shot her. Not that undressing her wasn't bad, but it pales in comparison to fucking murder & paralyzing someone.
>>81869826
The Joker and a bunch of goons he has with him shoot her, strip her naked, and then take pictures of her. I always read it as they raped her too but of course DC wasn't going to have that explicitly shown.
>>81869841
Savage.
>>81869934
But then why wouldn't they photograph that too? Or even imply it by including other people half in the photos?
I will figured the nudity thing was to drive home the point of the whole thing.
>>81869934
Do you agree that this guy
>>81868962
Is fucking retarded
>>81870173
*at least agree
>>81869926
People die, get shot and injured all the time in comics, especially superhero comics, but rape and sexual assault is very rare. So when a character gets raped it does kind of stand out a lot, especially when the most popular villain in comics did it. Basically readers are mostly desensitized to violence but not sexual violence.
Uh-huh.
>>81869662
Is that the Team Fortress comics?
>>81870393
No, The Goon
>>81869718
What are you doing in this thread
>>81870341
Wait Tara is playing Barbara
How does this women find time to voice so many characters
>>81870104
Maybe they did take photos of it, but DC was never going to allow any photos of actual rape to be shown. They already had the original version of Babs' tits being shown edited out because they felt it was too much.
>>81870173
Well yeah, she was shot in the stomach and was paralyzed. That is where the blood was from.
>>81867797
Y'know, the Joker could have gotten more of a reaction out of Jim if he just started with faceless pics of Babs' naked body. Wait for Jim to get sexually aroused, THEN reveal it's Babs' face.
>>81870455
Hm auctualy looks like she hasent done any movies since friendship games how long has the killing joke been in development for
>>81865855
>This comic's reputation has been irreversably damaged.
And it's all because sjws were looking for something to "be offended by" and when they couldn't find it they just made something up.
>>81869826
>>81867797
Alan Moore has said explicitly that he never intended for it to be a "rape" and that it never even occurred to him that someone might interpret it that way.
![1436674287508[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SLUEvlc.jpg "1436674287508[1].jpg")
>>81870436
Not reading, that's for sure
>>81870741
Alan Moore is responsible for pic related.
Alan Moore uses rape the same way a sculptor uses clay.
>>81870819
Not everything he does has rape in it.
Although the BEST things he does have rape in them.
>>81870741
Well that's good enough for me they never raped her
>>81870926
Instead of listing all the Alan Moore comics that do have rape, let's list the ones that don't.
>Superman
>Arguably The Killing Joke
what else we got?
>>81870741
>it never even occurred to him that someone might interpret it that way.
he's an idiot then
>>81870999
Green Lantern. Can't remember one in Swamp Thing. Promethea, Terra Obscura, Supreme, Wild C.A.T.s, 1963, Youngblood, Tomorrow Stories...
>>81871069
Swamp Thing got raped by the Machine Planet, didn't he?
>>81870341
How can one woman be so based?Im sure she's done or said some shitty things, but I can never remember them
>>81870741
Yeah, and I'm sure that he indented it to look like the Comedian had consent too.
>>81870455
She's been voicing Babs since the 90s
>>81870741
Can you post a link to where he said this? I always wanted to see what he said officially.
Sexual assault is pretty much unfinished rape
>>81871843
No, sexual assault is sexual assault. It's bad as well, but not as bad as actual rape.
Was Gordon raped?
Why is it bad if she was raped?
I don't mean it in a "why is rape bad" way, it's obviously bad, but why is it bad for the story if she was raped in the story?
Why are we talking about the sexual crime when he just literally attempted murder. You're priorities are skewed.
>>81869826
I'm reading it now people complain about some perceived rape but those librarian pund get a pass
OK I'm lying I loved them
>>81872471
this anon is right
>>81870999
No rape in The Courtyard. Fucked up shit, but no rape. I don't think there's even a sexual assault.
>>81865855
>Moore hates it (as usual)
>over half of comic book creators jumped on that bandwagon
come again, what reputation?
>>81870819
>Alan Moore uses rape the same way a sculptor uses clay.
so when he decided to. Unlike you with your child brain that thing interpretation is reality, an artist is in control and he says no, it's not.
Wait so, what's the point here?
Even if Joker did rape her, which he didn't, isn't it pretty clear that Joker the villain and if it were the case that rape would be a bad thing?
Are people trying to pretend that rape just doesn't exist, even though it's happening somewhere in the world every minute of every day?
So normies actually think the Joker is above rape or something?
>>81872445
It wouldn't, but people are arguing against it because it makes no sense.
>20 years of Barbara dealing with being crippled and the incident and her being raped is never mentioned
>Moore confirms it's not supposed to be that way
>it would be entirely useless to jokers plan unless he actually took pics of the act and showed it to gordon, which he didn't
>yet people not only still believe this, they treat it like a fact that is without a doubt true
>>81868962
>>81872824
Hell in that very same comic joker had a line about the world being full of rape
>>81872840
The Nuzzarello one-shot has Joker rape someone. The problem is that Barbara was simply a tool to break Gordon, raping her is cruel sure but marginal towards breaking Gordon.
>>81867797
That's just the same page but with Less pictures and nipples
It's a shame that's not what we got but it proves nothing
>>81872840
Yeah, for some reason they don't like the idea of him raping someone but they are okay with him killing people.
>>81873098
Then wouldn't he cram it into Gordon's face a bit more? I mean, he took pictures of her wound and showed them to him while gleefully singing a song. Also, azzies story is non-canon, just sayin.
>>81872338
It wasent very sexual with gordan but it was hundreds of times more so then with barbara. Barbara was naked to show gorden how utterly he was defeated among other things gorden was stripped to demean him
>>81868962
>People who don't read comics arguing that a scene in a comic they haven't read is a rape scene
TOP JIBBERY JABBERY
>>81870999
>>81871069
that issue of Batman with Clayface he did had no rape in it
unless there was a sly implied rape mention in there
>>81873224
it's impossible to depict something in fiction without glamorizing it in some way. People like glamorized violence, because sometimes violence is the answer and I like to fantasize that when a situation becomes violent, they could win.
people don't like glamorizing rape because they don't want to solving problems with rape. they don't want to think about being a rapist, they don't want to think about being raped, the whole topic has zero entertainment value for them
>>81870999
Well the guy in that short bit after the killing joke considered raping the girl he planed to kidnapped but that's not auctualy part of the killing joke story and I'm not even sure if that was in the original printing
>>81873780
What if the rape is done in a way to make the villain seem really irredeemable, so his eventual curb stomping is all the sweeter?
>>81872338
Im pretty sure the dwarfs did, in fact, rape Gordon.
>>81870819
Exactly, Anon. So when HE says there was no rape, you know it wasn't an editorial thing.
I read it for the first time like, 5 days ago. It's clear he shot and crippled her, then took naked pictures of her. At no point did I think "By god the Joker raped her!"
>>81868290
This doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me, though. The recolor is all dull and drab, with Joker being really the only thing sticking out color-wise. In context of the comic it just doesn't fit. Unless >>81868779 is right, and Bolland is just full of himself.
Those vibrant, rampaging colors helped paint the picture figuratively and literally.
>>81874111
It's pretty heavily implied.
>>81874119
The new version makes me think of Adam West's Batman too much
The old colouring is 100% better because it plays into the themes of the mental health of the Joker (and Batman)
>>81874119
Do they still sell copies with the old colors? I'd like to own both.
>>81874119
Oh god is all the stuff in the original that poorely colored
>>81874326
It really isn't. If the idea of rape even crossed Joker, or his goons heads, they would've done it, because it would've made Gordon's mind break all the easier.
>>81874421
Also this
>>81874375
>>81874421
They're literally inside a fun house with wacky lights
>>81874375
No. You can hunt the original down for $$$, or hope they make an absolute edition the way they're doing Year One's (which has both the original coloring and the recolored version).
>>81874489
That's a good point auctualy
>>81870741
>Alan Moore has said explicitly that he never intended for it to be a "rape"
And he should know, he usually makes a point of including a rape in just about everything he writes.
>>81871069
Tao in WildCATS wasn't a rapist?
>>81875160
I don't remember that. Sounds hot though, wasn't he huge and monstrous?
>>81875263
No, he was a twinky little mindfucker.
>>81867797
I have sat here for hours trying to understand how seeing her breasts makes it any more likely it was rape and I just can't.
>>81865855
>this whole thread
let me get this straight. the joker is a monster but being a rapist monster is so much worse than a murderous monster that its causing some sort of social uproar?
>>81878299
It's especaily stupid when you consider he never auctualy raped her
If anybody was molested in that story it was gorden
>>81878299
Rape is, after all, the worst crime there is.
>>81868962
>>81870523
fuck
>>81878299
>The Joker lights a school bus full of nun-kittens on fire then drives it into a giant pool of acid.
>No one bats an eye, because it's "All part of the plan"
>But were he to, ambigious, maybe-, maybe not, put something or other into another person's no-no?
>EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS!
Now just to figure out exactly who's ahead of the curve.
Getting shot through the spine and permanently crippled is far worse than getting raped. I don't understand the controversy
>>81867797
>Wait! Wait a minute... I recognize that ass!
Really Jim?
>>81870416
>tfw the movie still isn't out yet.
>>81883043
>still
I thought it got cancelled.
>>81883095
Was it ever a thing? I thought they just falsely gave the impression on Kickstarter that they were making it, but really all they were doing was getting funding for an animatic to show prospective funders how it would be done. I mean they got funded but that was all it ever was.
>>81865855
Come to think of it I'm not sure how they will stretch what is ultimantly a pretty short story into a movie.
>>81883095
They just made a kickstarter post about their progress, but still, it's been in development for like 10 years now.
>>81874119
The colors were very of the time and punkish and really made the pictures and words more impactful. The recoloring looks nice, but the impact now seems very much muted.
